Gail, I've had a look at the 1871 and the following appear. I've added the entry number for each inmate and there are some consecutive numbers that would indicate a family relationship. Unfortunately the Institution returns didn't include family relationships and there are some that are not consecutive. Is it possible Albert GIBY is really Albert GRAY? RG10/2137/85/2 Entry number, Name, Relationship, Condition, Age, Occupation, Birthplace 6, John ADAMS Inmate, -, 7, Scholar b. Devonport Devon 18, Mary BERRY Inmate, -, 13, Scholar b. Devonport Devon RG10/2137/86/3 12, Mary Jane BISSETT Inmate, -, 11, Scholar b. Devonport Devon 15, Edmond BERRY Inmate, -, 13, Scholar b. Devonport Devon 19, Jane BARTLETT Inmate, Unm, 44, Cooks Assistant, b. Devonport Devon 20, Eliza BARTLETT Inmate, -, 12, Scholar b. Devonport Devon 21, Mary BISSETT Inmate, W, 75 widow with no occupation b. Portsmouth RG10/2137/86/4 2, Robert BISSETT, Inmate, Unm, 46, None, Devonport Devon 4, William BARTLETT, Inmate, Wid, 81, None, Devonport Devon 8, Charlotte CRAWLEY, Inmate, -, 11, Scholar, Devonport Devon RG10/2137/88/8 4, Charles FLAHERTY, Inmate, -, 8, Scholar, Devonport Devon 5, Elizabeth FLAHERTY, Inmate, -, 11, Scholar, Devonport Devon 6, George FLAHERTY, Inmate, -, 13, Scholar, Devonport Devon 17, Albert GRAY, Inmate, -, 14, Scholar, Devonport Devon 22, Thomas GREARY, Inmate, -, 11, , Scholar, Devonport Devon RG10/2137/89/9 2, John GRAY, Inmate, Unm, 18, Genl. Laborer, Devonport Devon RG10/2137/90/11 24, Mary MENHENNIOT, Inmate, -, 12, Scholar, Devonport Devon 25, James MITCHELL, Inmate, Unm, 75, None, Devonport Devon RG10/2137/90/12 1, Emma Mary MUTCH, Inmate, W, 51, Nurse's Assistant, Devonport Devon 2, William MUTCH, Inmate, -, 13, Scholar, Devonport Devon 3, Charlotte MUTCH, Inmate, -, 11, Scholar, Devonport Devon 11, Elizabeth MITCHELL, Inmate, -, 11, Scholar, Devonport Devon 25, Elvin (?) MEHENIOTT, Inmate, Unm, 22, Washerwoman, Plymouth Devon RG10/2137/91/14 20 John RICHARDS, Inmate, -, 14, Scholar, Devonport Devon 25, William RICHARDS, Inmate, Wid, 41, Lease of ? Shop, Devonport Devon RG10/2137/92/15 22, Jane SMITH, Inmate, -, 7, Scholar, Devonport Devon 24, William SMITH, Inmate, Wid, 67, Mason, Devonport Devon RG10/2137/92/16 16, Ann Maria SMITH, Inmate, unm, 16, Scullery Woman, Devonport Devon 17, Edwin SMITH, Inmate, -, 1, -, Devonport Devon 18, Henry SMITH, Inmate, -, 1, -, Devonport Devon RG10/2137/93/18 3, Jane WOODLEY, Inmate, W, 83, None, Yarmouth Norfolk 5, Edwin WHITFORD, Inmate, Wid, 63, Shoemaker, Devonport Devon 11, Henry WOODLEY, Inmate, Wid, 51, Baker, Devonport Devon 14, Ann Maria WHITFORD, Inmate, -, 10, Scholar, Devonport Devon 23, Sarah WOODLEY, Inmate, Mar, 34, Genl. Housework, Devonport Devon 24, Alfred WOODLEY, Inmate, -, 8, Scholar, Devonport Devon 25, Minnie WOODLEY, Inmate, -, 1 and a Half, -, Devonport Devon RG10/2137/94/19 1, William WOODLEY, Inmate, -, 12, Scholar, Devonport Devon 6, Henry WOODLEY, Inmate, -, 12, Scholar, Devonport Devon RG10/2138/28/47 31 John Street, Stoke Damerel Thomas E R JOHNS, Head, Mar, 41, Shipwright, Devonport Devon And his large family with Samuel BONE, Nephew, 11, Scholar, Devonport Devon RG10/2116/108/4 Plymouth Workhouse, Plymouth James BERRYMAN, Patient, -, 15, Match seller, Bodmin Cornwall Hope this helps Best regards. Mike Rendle Salisbury, Wiltshire, UK > From: Gail Collins [mailto:gcollins@vaxxine.com] > The following orphans came to Canada with Maria Rye in Oct > 1871 Would they still be at the workhouse - is Stoke Damerel > a large place? if not is it possible to copy/paste it to me > in an email as I'm sure ther family members might also show up. > > Mary Mehennot? 13 > Mary Stearw 13 > Jane Mitchell 12 > Charlotte Crawley 11 > Mary Jane Bissett 12 > Annie Whitford 11 > Mary Berry 13 > Jane Smith 8 > Charlotte Mutch 13 > Eliza Bartlett 12 > > The following came July 1872 > John Gray 17 > Albert Giby 14 > Henry Woodley 14 > John Richards 14 > Thomas Greary 13 > John Adams 9 > Samuel Bone 12 > Charles Flaherty 12 > James Berryman 17 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005

I am trying to trace Murch ancestors of mine and one possible link may be with William Henry Murch (1799-1826) who married someone called Pepperill. His parents may have been Samson and Delia Murch. Do these names figure in anyone else's tree. Many thanks. Barbara Jones Wirral

The following orphans came to Canada with Maria Rye in Oct 1871 Would they still be at the workhouse - is Stoke Damerel a large place? if not is it possible to copy/paste it to me in an email as I'm sure ther family members might also show up. Mary Mehennot? 13 Mary Stearw 13 Jane Mitchell 12 Charlotte Crawley 11 Mary Jane Bissett 12 Annie Whitford 11 Mary Berry 13 Jane Smith 8 Charlotte Mutch 13 Eliza Bartlett 12 The following came July 1872 John Gray 17 Albert Giby 14 Henry Woodley 14 John Richards 14 Thomas Greary 13 John Adams 9 Samuel Bone 12 Charles Flaherty 12 James Berryman 17 Sincerely GAIL from Ontario, Can Maria Rye Database years 1868 - 1897 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.11 - Release Date: 4/14/05

I'm new to this list after communicating with Ray Osborn. Is anyone connected to Ann PARTRIDGE who was baptised 21 Jun 1789, Woodleigh? Ray sent me a scanned image of the parish register entry, but Ann's father's name is too faded or blurred to read. I would like to know her father's name and seek for possible siblings. Thanks, Joe Trewhella Godfrey, Illinois USA

I would like to request the 1871 Workhouse census for the following orphans that came to Canada with Maria Rye. Is it possible (hoping it isn't too large) to copy/paste it to me in an email for 1871. In 1861 it is possible they are still living at home with parent(s) 1871 1861 Mary Mehinnot 13 3 Mary Stewart 13 3 Jane Mitchell 12 2 Charlotte Crawley 11 1 mary Jane Bissett 12 2 Annie Whitford 11 1 MaryBerry 13 parents concented 3 Jane Smith 8 Charlotte Mutch 13 parents consnted 3 Eliza Bartlett 12 2 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/05

All My great-uncle Arthur Wood (1879-1960s) lived in Harbertonford most of his life with his wife Bessie. Arthur is said to have been a Methodist lay preacher, and to have preached on the local 'circuit'. Does anyone have any information relating to my great-uncle. I am especially keen to know which circuit the chapel was in and where I might be able to find records for either the chapel or the whole circuit. Any help appreciated. Sue Rowbotham

I cannot remember if this site has been mentioned before, but Archaic Medical Terms - http://www.paul_smith.doctors.org.uk/ArchaicMedicalTerms.htm has an index of many or most of those illnesses that appear on death certificates and mean precious little to me. Regards, Jack Steer Banbury

Hi, The 1891 census has niece Susannah BIRCH living with James EDMONDS. Susannah is recorded as born at South Brent aged 20 yrs. She is aged 12 yrs in 1881 also living with James and wife Maryann still at Brixham. Is she with her parents in 1871? That's something I would love to know if anyone has the time to look. Thanks so much. Cheers Bev. Edmonds Toowoomba, Qld, Australia OPC Dartington, Dean Prior, East Allington, Halwell, South Pool, Totnes & Stokenham, Devon, Eng. Looking for EDMONDS, Devon anywhere/anytime GASTRELL, worldwide

Barbara Wilson has been kind enough to send me a copy of the report of an inquiry by the Charity Commissioners held on 10.7.1908 that Earle Warth discovered in the DRO. It is interesting because it identifies the landowners from whom the land was bought in the latter half of the eighteenth century. Assuming that the Charity Commissioners were given accurate information, there seems to me to be no doubt that Henry STEER the younger sold the land for at least part of the burial ground at Ford to the trustees by deed dated 30.11.1793. It cost the trustees £5.7.0. The chapel was already in existence and had been built on land bought by John TOZER and William LIFE from William PRODAM. The report reads as though the 1793 STEER parcel of land was incorporated into the existing property with a wall built and owned by the trustees. The trustees listed in the 1793 deed were:- James TORRING senior James TORRING son of James TORRING senior Philip PRETTEJOHN Nathaniel PRETTEJOHN Philip PRETTEJOHN son of Nathaniel PRETTEJOHN Nathaniel GILLARD Nathaniel GILLARD the younger John PEARCE John PEARCE the younger John PRETTEJOHN William HEAD Edmund STEER son of the Henry STEER the younger who sold the land I wondered if Henry STEER the younger who died on 6.4.1808 aged 78 was buried in the graveyard with his wife Ann (died 4.5.1818 aged 94) and son George died 24.4.1826 aged 73). But I have no record of Henry's son Edmund. Is he also buried at Ford? Regards, Jack Steer Banbury

13 possible Mary COX's on the LDS transcription of the 1851 census. Full household listing sent off list. Best regards. Mike Rendle Salisbury, Wiltshire, UK > From: Tammy Vallee [mailto:tamw25@shaw.ca] > I just received a death cert dated for July 13, 1850. The > witness was Mary COX. The death took place in East > Stonehouse. I am wondering if someone can check to she if she > is shows in the 1851 census in East Stonehouse? Tammy -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 01/04/2005

Thank-you for the help... Tammy ----- Original Message ----- From: "NorthDevonRendle" <NorthDevonRendle@yahoo.co.uk> To: <ENG-DEV-SOUTHHAMS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:04 PM Subject: RE: [SOUTHHAMS] 1851 census check > 13 possible Mary COX's on the LDS transcription of the 1851 census. > > Full household listing sent off list. > > Best regards. > > Mike Rendle > Salisbury, Wiltshire, UK > >> From: Tammy Vallee [mailto:tamw25@shaw.ca] >> I just received a death cert dated for July 13, 1850. The >> witness was Mary COX. The death took place in East >> Stonehouse. I am wondering if someone can check to she if she >> is shows in the 1851 census in East Stonehouse? Tammy > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 01/04/2005 > > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Hi all, I just received a death cert dated for July 13, 1850. The witness was Mary COX. The death took place in East Stonehouse. I am wondering if someone can check to she if she is shows in the 1851 census in East Stonehouse? Tammy

IN 1910 Frederick Sambrook(e) NEWLYN, age 32, married Edith Laura Adelaide MITCHELL, age 21. He was a Quarter Master, Sergeant North Staffordshire Regiment, & both living Devonport. Among their 3 children was Frederick H. Newlyn born Christchurch, 1921. He could still be alive, at this time, no marriage has been found. He would have been of an age, to serve in WW 2. He does not show in the Commonwealth War Graves Site. he, could, of course have died young, & does not show, or, is on one of those difficult to read Fiche, or, he may have emigrated. Nora Gladys Adeline Newlyn bn 1917, married CRAGO, died 1997. There is another son, possibly William. Does anyone have any info' about this family ? They are related to my late Grandmother Mary New Zealand

I received an e-mail recently from Paul Moir-Riches, commenting on a posting of mine on this forum I replied to the e-mail twice to the address cited, but both were returned to me. The answer to your question, Paul, is Yes : but I can not give any further details so publically. As ever, Philip Steer

Hi all, Can anyone help me solve a puzzle? There was more than one James BALL co-habiting/marrying, procreating, dying, etc., in the places that I'm interested in, namely parishes near to Kingsbridge during the years 1790-1841. Can someone please identify this James BALL:- 1818 Jul 23 James BALL a widower, married Amie(Amy, Amey, Emma) MAUNDER(S), a widow, at Dodbrooke. Both were OTP but I can't find any BALL children being baptised, nor a female BALL burial, in Dodbrooke for some years before this marriage.? Amy MAUNDER was born Amey CLARKE in Dodbrooke and was the widow of William MAUNDER of Dodbrooke(died 1813) whom she married in 1808. The couple had one child, Mary Clarke MAUNDER in Dodbrooke in 1810. James & Amy BALL(nee CLARKE) had two children in Salcombe, 1819 and 1821. This James BALL had died by 1841. There are two James BALL burials recorded in Malborough(including Salcombe residents)in the period 1821-1841:- James BALL of Salcombe, aged 69, buried 5 Jan 1836 James BALL of Higher Batson, aged 68, buried 25 Apr 1836 I have only one likely headstone inscript, from the Malborough parish churchyard:- James BALL, aged 68, 1 Feb 1836 And this one is located adjacent to other graves which I'm certain all belong to "my" BALL family - from my greatgrandma Elizabeth Mary BALL of Salcombe back through the James BALL, born 16 Jun 1767, who married Ruth JARVIS and begat children, continuously, from 1790 to 1807, with Ruth dying in 1829. Any ideas, please, on the mystery James BALL, a widower in 1818? Ray Osborn Rotorua, NZ

I am a new member, and am not sure of how to find out about a Prisoner. I am trying to locate a Prisoner by the name of Joseph Howell(s). Who was taken from Gloucestershire to a Prison in this area. Wasn't there a Prison called Dartmoor, Joseph was sentenced to 7 years in 1849. I know the ship Called The "Lady Montagu" left Plymouth in 1852. and arrived in Tasmania in December of that year, What I need is a Lookup In the 1851 census, to see where Joseph was at this time Can S K S please help me, as I have no idea where else to look Thank you Kitty Cambridge Tasmania cc931126@bigpond.net.au

Hi Kitty No prisoner came up with the name Joseph Howell, Howells or Howel etc. so I browsed through prison entries and found that all the convicts at the Convict Prison Lidford, Tavistock, are listed by initials only. There are quite a number of 'JH's so do you have any other info such as age, occupation or birthplace? Sandie Researching MABIN, PUTT, LYNN, BROWSE/BROWES, PILE, ADAMS, WOOD, HARROD In a message dated 02/04/2005 04:41:16 GMT Daylight Time, kitty.cc931126@gmail.com writes: > I am a new member, and am not sure of how to find out about a Prisoner. > I am trying to locate a Prisoner by the name of Joseph Howell(s). > Who was taken from Gloucestershire to a Prison in this area. > Wasn't there a Prison called Dartmoor, Joseph was sentenced to 7 years in > 1849. > I know the ship Called The "Lady Montagu" left Plymouth in 1852. > and arrived in Tasmania in December of that year, > What I need is a Lookup In the 1851 census, to see where Joseph was at > this time > Can S K S please help me, as I have no idea where else to look > > Thank you > Kitty > Cambridge > Tasmania >

Thanks to the help of several people, I can now summarise the information I've assembled. If there are any other clues to these families from any source, I would be most grateful to hear. I have concluded that Christiana Pettigrew [ aged 61 in 1851] is the mother or aunt of William Pettigrew [1819-1876+]. Selina Davies, born 1846, is my great-grandmother. As ever, Philip Steer > In the census of 1851 > > [1] living at 24 East St, East Stonehouse were :- > > Christiana Pettigrew, head, widow, aged 61 years : born Padstow, Cornwall 1790 > Henry Pettigrew, son, unmarried, aged 19 years, apprentice : born Stonehouse 1832 > Ann Strong, lodger, unmarried, aged 69 years : born Plymouth 1782 > > [2] living at 19 Saint Mary Street, East Stonehouse was :- > > Jane Pettigrew, head, married, aged 34 years, seamstress and gardener : > born East Stonebrook 1817 > > [3] living at Dunmoore Cottage, Saint Budeaux, were :- > > James Davies, head, married, aged 40 years, Blacksmith in HM Dock Yard : > born Bodmin 1811 > Ann Davies, wife, married, aged 42 years : born North Petherwin, Devon 1809 > John Davies, son, unmarried, aged 19 years, Apprentice to Smith : born > Stonehouse, Devon 1832 > William Davies, son, unmarried, aged 17 years, Apprentice to cordwainer : > Pennycross, Devon 1834 > James Davies, son, unmarried, aged 15 years, Agricultural Labourer : born > St Budeaux 1836 > Ann Davies, daughter, unmarried, aged 13 years : born St Budeaux 1838 > George Davies, sun, unmarried, aged 11 years, scholar : born St Budeaux 1840 > Richard Davies, son, unmarried, aged 8 years, scholar : born St Budeaux 1843 > Selina Davies, daughter, unmarried, aged 5 years, scholar : born St Budeaux 1846 > > Also in the year 1876, for example, the full Pettigrew family living in > Saint James Court, Portsmouth would have been :- > > William Pettigrew 57 Plymouth Head born 1819 > Harriet Pettigrew 44 Shepton Mallet Wife born 1832 > Charles W P Pettigrew 21 Stonehouse Son born 1855 > Richard W Pettigrew 20 Stonehouse Son born 1856 > Christina S Pettigrew 19 Stonehouse Daughter born 1857 > Alfred Pettigrew 17 Stonehouse Son born 1859 > William Pettigrew 14 Stonehouse Son born 1862 > Thomas D Pettigrew 12 Devonport Son born 1864 > Henry G Pettigrew 10 Portsmouth Son born 1866 > Harriet S Pettigrew 8 Portsmouth Daughter born 1868 > Lillian Pettigrew 6 Portsmouth Daughter born 1870 > Rose Pettigrew 3 Portsmouth Daughter born 1873 > Florence Pettigrew 1 mth Portsmouth Daughter born 1876 > > William Pettigrew must have died sometimes between 1876 and 1881, as > Harriet is a widow by the census of 1881, though she claims to be only 40 > years old instead of 49 - some things never change ! >

Philip, In the 1871 on Ancestry.com RG10/1136/13/20 9 St. James Court, Portsmouth William PETTIGREW, Head, Mar, 52, Cock(?) Cutter, Devon Plymouth Harriet PETTIGREW, Wife, Mar, 39, -, Shepton Mallet Charles W J S PETTIGREW, Son, Unm, 16, Cock(?) Cutter, Devon Stonehouse Richard W PETTIGREW, Son, -, 15, Porter, Devon Stonehouse Christina S PETTIGREW, Daur, -, 14, -, Devon Stonehouse Alfred PETTIGREW, Son, -, 12, -, Devon Stonehouse William PETTIGREW, Son, -, 9, -, Devon Stonehouse RG10/1136/14/21 Thomas D PETTIGREW, Son, -, 7, -, Devon Devonport Henry G PETTIGREW, Son, -, 5, -, Hants Portsmouth Harriet S PETTIGREW, Daur, -, 3, -, Hants Portsmouth Lillian PETTIGREW, Daur, -, 1, -, Hants Portsmouth RG10/2126/22/87 34 Hobart St, East Stonehouse John PETTIGREW, Head, Mar, Mar, 57, Cooper, Devon Devonport Jane PETTIGREW, Wife, Mar, 54, -, Devon Stonehouse Images available. Regarding Frederick DAVIES/DAVIS a DOB would help as there are a few. Best regards. Mike Rendle Salisbury, Wiltshire, UK > From: Philip Steer [mailto:philsture@waitrose.com] > My question now is : Can anyone help me find the Davies/Davis > family in Stoke Damerell or Morice Town or close by in the > censuses of 1851, 1861, and > 1871 ?? Also the Pettigrew family in the same censuses : > Rose's father > was probably William - so we are looking for William and > Harriet Pettigrew and their 10 or so children. > > It looks as though both Pettigrews and Steers had mainly > decamped to Portsea by 1871 or shortly afterwards. > > Rosie's uncle, Frederick Davies, eventually became > Superintendant of Devonport Dockyard, and his eldest son > became Engineer-Admiral Sir William > Davies. Of course, any lead you can provide towards them > will also be > appreciated. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 27/03/2005

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