Hello, Patricia, Thank you for taking so much trouble for me. Why didn't I think to look at the 1861 Census! I was going off a little note made on a family tree researched some years ago which recently came into my possession. Again, many thanks. Best wishes, Bob Hartley. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Clews" <patricia_tree@tiscali.co.uk> To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Brocklebanks of Whitehaven2. > On the 1861 census it does say that David was born in Whitehaven, he is in > Runcorn I can not find him on the 1851 or 1841 so far. I don't have any > access to the Scottish Censuses at this time > > regards > Patricia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Hartley" <robert.hartley90@ntlworld.com> > To: <ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 9:36 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Brocklebanks of Whitehaven2. > > >> Hello, Patricia, >> Many thanks for your latest offer. I do subscribe to Ancestry myself but >> I >> have no access to Scottish Censuses. I am led to believe that David Tuton >> originated in Fife, Scotland but I have seen no real evidence to support >> this, only hearsay. I would be grateful if you could look for any >> Scottish >> link if you have the necessary access. >> >> Best regards, >> Bob Hartley. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.13/726 - Release Date: >> 18/03/2007 15:34 >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On the 1861 census it does say that David was born in Whitehaven, he is in Runcorn I can not find him on the 1851 or 1841 so far. I don't have any access to the Scottish Censuses at this time regards Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Hartley" <robert.hartley90@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Brocklebanks of Whitehaven2. > Hello, Patricia, > Many thanks for your latest offer. I do subscribe to Ancestry myself but I > have no access to Scottish Censuses. I am led to believe that David Tuton > originated in Fife, Scotland but I have seen no real evidence to support > this, only hearsay. I would be grateful if you could look for any Scottish > link if you have the necessary access. > > Best regards, > Bob Hartley. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.13/726 - Release Date: > 18/03/2007 15:34 > >

Hello, Patricia, Many thanks for your latest offer. I do subscribe to Ancestry myself but I have no access to Scottish Censuses. I am led to believe that David Tuton originated in Fife, Scotland but I have seen no real evidence to support this, only hearsay. I would be grateful if you could look for any Scottish link if you have the necessary access. Best regards, Bob Hartley.

Hi Again Have you got all the census infor for him ?I have ancestry and i can look them up for you? Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Hartley" <robert.hartley90@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Brocklebanks of Whitehaven. > Hello everyone. > > I am researching the life of my 2*greatgrandfather, DAVID TUTON. Family > legend says that he was a ship's captain working for Brocklebanks of > Whitehaven. I know he was born in 1814 and in 1838 became a minister for > the Primitive Methodists staying in that capacity until his death in 1892. > He married LETTICE TATE in 1842 in West Derby(near Liverpool). She was > born in Whitehaven. > > Can someone help me to find any information which would prove or disprove > the claim that he was a ship's captain. > Many thanks in anticipation of a good result. > > Bob Hartley. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.13/725 - Release Date: > 17/03/2007 12:33 > >

I have the book from Cumberland to Cape Horn. The Sailing Fleet of Thomas & John Brocklebank of Whitehaven and Liverpool 1770-1900 I have looked under the Brocklebank Mariners and Jefferson Mariners and no Tuton listed there, it may be he's just not listed in this book, which was published in 1984. May be if you get in touch with the Merseyside Maritime Museum they may be able to help were i think the Brocklebank papers may be. I am a Brocklebank resercher but mine are not connected to this family so far. Patricia Clews ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Hartley" <robert.hartley90@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Brocklebanks of Whitehaven. > Hello everyone. > > I am researching the life of my 2*greatgrandfather, DAVID TUTON. Family > legend says that he was a ship's captain working for Brocklebanks of > Whitehaven. I know he was born in 1814 and in 1838 became a minister for > the Primitive Methodists staying in that capacity until his death in 1892. > He married LETTICE TATE in 1842 in West Derby(near Liverpool). She was > born in Whitehaven. > > Can someone help me to find any information which would prove or disprove > the claim that he was a ship's captain. > Many thanks in anticipation of a good result. > > Bob Hartley. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.13/725 - Release Date: > 17/03/2007 12:33 > >

Hello everyone. I am researching the life of my 2*greatgrandfather, DAVID TUTON. Family legend says that he was a ship's captain working for Brocklebanks of Whitehaven. I know he was born in 1814 and in 1838 became a minister for the Primitive Methodists staying in that capacity until his death in 1892. He married LETTICE TATE in 1842 in West Derby(near Liverpool). She was born in Whitehaven. Can someone help me to find any information which would prove or disprove the claim that he was a ship's captain. Many thanks in anticipation of a good result. Bob Hartley.

Petra I have looked again at my source (an English cousin who keeps me honest genealogically) and I quote from him Cause of death - 'Parturition Phlegmatiodolens - 5 days, Bronchitis - 2 days, 12 hours'. Source :- 'Entry of Death' No1 145 dated 8th February 1886, Registration District of Teesdale in the sub-district of Middleton, Counties of Durham and York. In other correspondence I note that he has/had a "Certified copy of Entry of Death" for Jane Payne (nee Carleton) Thanks for your comments on the medical condition Jim Jim Payne NEW ZEALAND shampayne3@gmail.com Our web site is located at the following URL: http://www.shampayne.org.nz > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 12:51:19 -0000 > From: "Petra Mitchinson" <Petra.Mitchinson@doctors.org.uk> > Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] CARL(E)TON family around Appleby, WES, ENG > To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000301c75d92$a449b210$4001a8c0@PDesktop> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Jim wrote: > > >> She died on 6 Feb 1886 at Hury, Hunderthwaite, DUR, ENG, at age 38. > >> (Parturition Plegmatiodolens 5 days, Bronchitis 2 days, 12 > hours). << > > Sorry I can't help with your question, but whatever is > "Plegmatiodolens"? Are > you sure you got that right? None of my medical dictionaries > has got anything of > the kind. "dolens" sounds like something to do with pain... > > Parturition is childbirth and Bronchitis is obvious, but what > is that word in > between? > > Actually, Google with a bit of lateral thinking (I googled > parturition and > dolens) came to the rescue: > > There is a condition called "phlegmasia alba dolens", which > is defined as "milk > leg; phlebitis of the femoral vein with swelling of the leg, > occasionally > following parturition or an acute febrile illness". > Apparently phlegmasia is an > old term for inflammation. There is also "phlegmasia cerulea > dolens, an acute > fulminating form of deep venous thrombosis, with pronounced > edema and severe > cyanosis of the limb". All this from an online medical dictionary. > > It seems that following childbirth, she suffered a deep vein > thrombosis in her > leg, and the "bronchitis" was probably not a bronchitis, but > pulmonary > embolisms, when parts of the clot in the leg were swept to > the lungs and blocked > the blood vessels there; presumably a large embolism was what > killed her in the > end. > > I've read somewhere that a married woman of childbearing age > in the 19th century > was at higher risk of losing her life than even a miner... > > Petra > > >

Jim wrote: >> She died on 6 Feb 1886 at Hury, Hunderthwaite, DUR, ENG, at age 38. >> (Parturition Plegmatiodolens 5 days, Bronchitis 2 days, 12 hours). << Sorry I can't help with your question, but whatever is "Plegmatiodolens"? Are you sure you got that right? None of my medical dictionaries has got anything of the kind. "dolens" sounds like something to do with pain... Parturition is childbirth and Bronchitis is obvious, but what is that word in between? Actually, Google with a bit of lateral thinking (I googled parturition and dolens) came to the rescue: There is a condition called "phlegmasia alba dolens", which is defined as "milk leg; phlebitis of the femoral vein with swelling of the leg, occasionally following parturition or an acute febrile illness". Apparently phlegmasia is an old term for inflammation. There is also "phlegmasia cerulea dolens, an acute fulminating form of deep venous thrombosis, with pronounced edema and severe cyanosis of the limb". All this from an online medical dictionary. It seems that following childbirth, she suffered a deep vein thrombosis in her leg, and the "bronchitis" was probably not a bronchitis, but pulmonary embolisms, when parts of the clot in the leg were swept to the lungs and blocked the blood vessels there; presumably a large embolism was what killed her in the end. I've read somewhere that a married woman of childbearing age in the 19th century was at higher risk of losing her life than even a miner... Petra

I have traced the ancestors of my great Grandmother, Jane CARLETON, back to the 1700s in Westmorland, ENG but I am still left with a lot of unanswered questions about what I regard as her sad life. Although I am interested in ALL this family as it is one of my direct lines, in particular I would like to know more about William Alan and Mary Ann CARLETON/PAYNE. I have found a Private William CARLTON in the 1st Border Regiment of Infantry in the 1891 census as a strong possibility but nothing else I have included a very much shortened account of Jane and her children Jim 1. Jane CARLETON. Jane was born on 25 Nov 1847 at Gill House in Ormside, WES, ENG. (registered East Ward Registration District in the Sub-district of Appleby on 18 December 1847). She was also known as Jane Carlton. She was baptized on 1848 in Ormside, WES, ENG. On 30 Mar 1851, Jane Carleton was living with Christopher Carlton and Jane Allon and Isabella Carlton, William Carlton, Mary Carleton, and John Carlton, at Gill House in Ormside, WES, ENG. She lived at Grass Gate Lodge, in Soulby, WES, ENG, on 7 Apr 1861 as a House Servant in the household of Joseph Taylor. She lived at Bongate Hall, in Bongate, Appleby, Westmorland, on 2 Apr 1871 as a cook in the household of George R Thompson. She was a domestic servant before 5 Dec 1874. She married William Payne, son of James Payne and Harriet Beeby, on 5 Dec 1874 at Register Office in Appleton, WES, ENG. (Westmoreland East Ward Registration District 1874 Dec 10b 1157.). She lived at 1 Bank Lane, in Crosscanonby, CUL, ENG, on 3 Apr 1881. She and William Payne and William Alan Carlton, Mary Ann Carlton, Harriet Payne, James Payne, and Sarah Jane Payne lived at 1 Bank Lane, in Crosscanonby, CUL, ENG, on 3 Apr 1881. (In addition to the family there were 9 labourers from Ireland who were working on the dock). She died on 6 Feb 1886 at Hury, Hunderthwaite, DUR, ENG, at age 38. (Parturition Plegmatiodolens 5 days, Bronchitis 2 days, 12 hours). Her body was interred at Romaldkirk, YKS, ENG, on 9 Feb 1886. Known children of Jane Carleton include: 2. i. William Alan CARLTON. William was born on 31 Oct 1867 in Scattergate, Appleby, WES, ENG. (registered in the East Ward Registration District in the Sub-district of Appleby on 15 November 1867. Birth Certificate gives William Alan Carlton. All details of "Father" left blank). He was baptized on 8 Dec 1867 at Saint Lawrence Church in Appleby, WES, ENG. His baptismal name was William Allon CARLTON. On 2 Apr 1871, William Alan Carlton was living with Jane Carlton (his Grandmother) and John Carleton (his Uncle), at a cottage in St Lawrence, Appleby, WES, ENG. As of 3 Apr 1881, he was also known as William Alan PAYNE (Census information). He was a Private in the first Border Regiment of Infantry on 5 Apr 1891 in the South Front Barracks, Dover, Kent. Where he was known as William CARLTON. In 1959 this regiment amalgamated with the King's Own (Royal Lancaster) Regiment to form The King's Own Royal Border Regiment 3. ii. Mary Ann CARLTON. Mary was born on 4 Oct 1871 at Willows in Bolton, Morland, WES, ENG. (Registered West Ward Registration District in the Sub-district of Moreland on 10th November 1871. Given as Maryport, Cumberland England 1881 Census). She was a student at Crosscanonby, CUL, ENG, on 3 Apr 1881. As of 3 Apr 1881, she was also known as Mary Ann PAYNE (1881 Census). William PAYNE. William was born on 10 May 1850 in Great Addington, NTH, ENG. He married second Catherine Callaghan, daughter of Owen Callaghan and Sarah MacElvernon, on 28 Sep 1891 at S Ronald's Anglican Church in Romaldkirk, YKS, ENG. He died on 10 Jan 1913 Railway Hotel at Consett, DUR, ENG, at age 62. His body was interred in Laithkirk Churchyard at Laithkirk, DUR, ENG, after 10 Jan 1913. Known children of Jane Carleton and William Payne were as follows: 4. i. Harriet PAYNE. 5. ii. James PAYNE (My Grandfather) 6. iii. Sarah Jane PAYNE. 7. iv. Robert PAYNE. 8. v. David PAYNE. 9. vi. John PAYNE. 10. vii. Eliza PAYNE. Jim Jim Payne NEW ZEALAND shampayne3@gmail.com Our web site is located at the following URL: http://www.shampayne.org.nz

Hi Petra, Thanks very much for looking for me anyway. Anna -----Original Message----- From: eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Petra Mitchinson Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 9:42 AM To: eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Gabriel GRAHAM I'm afraid there is no will of a Gabriel GRAHAM in the index of wills proved at Carlisle 1661-1750. Don't give up - you may yet find the burial in a different parish, or in the original burial registers for Arthuret or Kirkandrews. Petra ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:15:59 -0000 > From: "TDA" <tda.kennedy@tesco.net> > Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Arthuret burials lookup please > > Hi Petra, Thanks very much for that, looks like my last resort is any chance > of a will then. > > Thanks again > > Anna ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm afraid there is no will of a Gabriel GRAHAM in the index of wills proved at Carlisle 1661-1750. Don't give up - you may yet find the burial in a different parish, or in the original burial registers for Arthuret or Kirkandrews. Petra ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:15:59 -0000 > From: "TDA" <tda.kennedy@tesco.net> > Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Arthuret burials lookup please > > Hi Petra, Thanks very much for that, looks like my last resort is any chance > of a will then. > > Thanks again > > Anna

Hi Petra, Thanks very much for that, looks like my last resort is any chance of a will then. Thanks again Anna -----Original Message----- From: eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Petra Mitchinson Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:22 PM To: eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Arthuret burials lookup please Hi again, Anna, As I said before, I checked my Arthuret BT extractions for the name GRAHAM up to 1770, and Kirkandrews up to 1785, but did not find either the burial or anything else about Gabriel GRAHAM except what I listed for you before. It is of course possible that I overlooked something in my original blankedt extraction (or in my notes), or that Gabriel was buried during one of the gaps in the BTs... Petra ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:11:25 -0000 > From: "TDA" <tda.kennedy@tesco.net> > Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Arthuret burials lookup please > > Hi, please is anybody able to do any lookups in Arthuret burials for me, I > am looking for a Gabrial/Gab Graham born at least second half of the 1670's. > Would be v.grateful for any help anybody is able to give me. > > Many Thanks > > Anna ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again, Anna, As I said before, I checked my Arthuret BT extractions for the name GRAHAM up to 1770, and Kirkandrews up to 1785, but did not find either the burial or anything else about Gabriel GRAHAM except what I listed for you before. It is of course possible that I overlooked something in my original blankedt extraction (or in my notes), or that Gabriel was buried during one of the gaps in the BTs... Petra ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:11:25 -0000 > From: "TDA" <tda.kennedy@tesco.net> > Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Arthuret burials lookup please > > Hi, please is anybody able to do any lookups in Arthuret burials for me, I > am looking for a Gabrial/Gab Graham born at least second half of the 1670's. > Would be v.grateful for any help anybody is able to give me. > > Many Thanks > > Anna

Hi, please is anybody able to do any lookups in Arthuret burials for me, I am looking for a Gabrial/Gab Graham born at least second half of the 1670's. Would be v.grateful for any help anybody is able to give me. Many Thanks Anna

Hi Petra, Thanks so much for the two replies you sent me to my query, shame there is no more info for the 1692 baptism but at least now I know for sure anyway. Might have to look at burials and wills for any more info on Gabriel. Thanks again Anna -----Original Message----- From: eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Petra Mitchinson Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 11:31 AM To: eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Gabriel GRAHAM of Arthuret Sorry, I overlooked an important one which I subsequently found on the IGI, and on checking back, found it in the Kirkandrews BTs: 1704/5 Gabriell GRAHAM & Hellen EDGER Marr: Feb: 6th The name Gabriel GRAHAM was extremely rare - only 25 events came up on the IGI for that name for any time on the British Isles, and severeal of those were patron submissions and appeared repeatedly. In the same time frame in Cumberland, there was a Gabriel son of Robert GRAHAM bap. 26 Apr 1703 at St. Cuthbert, Carlisle. He married Jane SEWELL on 23 Jun 1725 at St. Cuthbert, Carlisle, and, according to a patron submission, died 14 Mar 1769. Difficult to search for children, but he had baptised at St. Cuthbert, Carlisle: Robert 14 Jun 1726, Joseph 23 Apr 1728, Mary 27 Sep 1831, Timothy and Jane 26 May 1737, and William 15 Dec 1746. It seems Robert GRAHAM in turn had a son Gabriel bap. 15 Nov 1763 at St. Mary, Carlisle. Petra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petra Mitchinson" <Petra.Mitchinson@doctors.org.uk> To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:56 AM Subject: Re: Gabriel GRAHAM of Arthuret > Hi Anna, > > I have done a blanket extraction of the GRAHAM name from Arthuret BTs in the > past. The BTs start at about 1667 but have quite a few gaps (as well as > illegible bits) before 1700. > > I found the baptism of your Margaret, but unfortunately no further detail is > given: > > Baptisms Jan.~ 30th 1692/3: Margt. ye Daughtr. of Gab.~ Graham > > If someone has access to the parish registers (as opposed to the BTs), if you > are very lucky there may be a little extra information (like a place of > residence), but I doubt it. > > I checked my BT extracts right from the beginning of the BTs up to 1770, but > this was the only mention of a Gabriel GRAHAM I could find. > > I also checked the BTs for Kirkandrews on Esk for a Gabriel GRAHAM. They start > in 1682 but have gaps in the early years. > > I found in Kirkandrews: > > 1706 Jo: son of Gab: Graha:~ bap: No: 23d > > 1709 Margaret daught: of Gabriell Graham Bapt: Dec: 13th > > 1712 Jane Daught: of Gab: Graham Bap: Nov: 19th > > No further mention of a Gabriel GRAHAM up to 1785. > > The Gabriel in Kirkandrews could be a son of the one in Arthuret, or he could > be the same - but in the latter case, that would imply that the first Margaret > had died! > > Hope this is helpful. > > Petra > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:02:28 -0000 >> From: "TDA" <tda.kennedy@tesco.net> >> Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] (no subject) >> >> Hi, please has anybody got access to Arthuret parish registers, if so please >> could they lookup a baptism of a Margaret Graham, father Gabriel/Gab in >> 1692, also any siblings and any earlier Gabriels would be greatly >> appreaciated, would be very grateful for any help anybody is able to give >> me. >> >> Thanks >> >> Anna > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry, I overlooked an important one which I subsequently found on the IGI, and on checking back, found it in the Kirkandrews BTs: 1704/5 Gabriell GRAHAM & Hellen EDGER Marr: Feb: 6th The name Gabriel GRAHAM was extremely rare - only 25 events came up on the IGI for that name for any time on the British Isles, and severeal of those were patron submissions and appeared repeatedly. In the same time frame in Cumberland, there was a Gabriel son of Robert GRAHAM bap. 26 Apr 1703 at St. Cuthbert, Carlisle. He married Jane SEWELL on 23 Jun 1725 at St. Cuthbert, Carlisle, and, according to a patron submission, died 14 Mar 1769. Difficult to search for children, but he had baptised at St. Cuthbert, Carlisle: Robert 14 Jun 1726, Joseph 23 Apr 1728, Mary 27 Sep 1831, Timothy and Jane 26 May 1737, and William 15 Dec 1746. It seems Robert GRAHAM in turn had a son Gabriel bap. 15 Nov 1763 at St. Mary, Carlisle. Petra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petra Mitchinson" <Petra.Mitchinson@doctors.org.uk> To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:56 AM Subject: Re: Gabriel GRAHAM of Arthuret > Hi Anna, > > I have done a blanket extraction of the GRAHAM name from Arthuret BTs in the > past. The BTs start at about 1667 but have quite a few gaps (as well as > illegible bits) before 1700. > > I found the baptism of your Margaret, but unfortunately no further detail is > given: > > Baptisms Jan.~ 30th 1692/3: Margt. ye Daughtr. of Gab.~ Graham > > If someone has access to the parish registers (as opposed to the BTs), if you > are very lucky there may be a little extra information (like a place of > residence), but I doubt it. > > I checked my BT extracts right from the beginning of the BTs up to 1770, but > this was the only mention of a Gabriel GRAHAM I could find. > > I also checked the BTs for Kirkandrews on Esk for a Gabriel GRAHAM. They start > in 1682 but have gaps in the early years. > > I found in Kirkandrews: > > 1706 Jo: son of Gab: Graha:~ bap: No: 23d > > 1709 Margaret daught: of Gabriell Graham Bapt: Dec: 13th > > 1712 Jane Daught: of Gab: Graham Bap: Nov: 19th > > No further mention of a Gabriel GRAHAM up to 1785. > > The Gabriel in Kirkandrews could be a son of the one in Arthuret, or he could > be the same - but in the latter case, that would imply that the first Margaret > had died! > > Hope this is helpful. > > Petra > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:02:28 -0000 >> From: "TDA" <tda.kennedy@tesco.net> >> Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] (no subject) >> >> Hi, please has anybody got access to Arthuret parish registers, if so please >> could they lookup a baptism of a Margaret Graham, father Gabriel/Gab in >> 1692, also any siblings and any earlier Gabriels would be greatly >> appreaciated, would be very grateful for any help anybody is able to give >> me. >> >> Thanks >> >> Anna >

Hi Anna, I have done a blanket extraction of the GRAHAM name from Arthuret BTs in the past. The BTs start at about 1667 but have quite a few gaps (as well as illegible bits) before 1700. I found the baptism of your Margaret, but unfortunately no further detail is given: Baptisms Jan.~ 30th 1692/3: Margt. ye Daughtr. of Gab.~ Graham If someone has access to the parish registers (as opposed to the BTs), if you are very lucky there may be a little extra information (like a place of residence), but I doubt it. I checked my BT extracts right from the beginning of the BTs up to 1770, but this was the only mention of a Gabriel GRAHAM I could find. I also checked the BTs for Kirkandrews on Esk for a Gabriel GRAHAM. They start in 1682 but have gaps in the early years. I found in Kirkandrews: 1706 Jo: son of Gab: Graha:~ bap: No: 23d 1709 Margaret daught: of Gabriell Graham Bapt: Dec: 13th 1712 Jane Daught: of Gab: Graham Bap: Nov: 19th No further mention of a Gabriel GRAHAM up to 1785. The Gabriel in Kirkandrews could be a son of the one in Arthuret, or he could be the same - but in the latter case, that would imply that the first Margaret had died! Hope this is helpful. Petra ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:02:28 -0000 > From: "TDA" <tda.kennedy@tesco.net> > Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] (no subject) > > Hi, please has anybody got access to Arthuret parish registers, if so please > could they lookup a baptism of a Margaret Graham, father Gabriel/Gab in > 1692, also any siblings and any earlier Gabriels would be greatly > appreaciated, would be very grateful for any help anybody is able to give > me. > > Thanks > > Anna

Hi, please has anybody got access to Arthuret parish registers, if so please could they lookup a baptism of a Margaret Graham, father Gabriel/Gab in 1692, also any siblings and any earlier Gabriels would be greatly appreaciated, would be very grateful for any help anybody is able to give me. Thanks Anna

> Descendants of William Hoggarth > > 1 William Hoggarth b: 1909 d: 1945 Cause of death: Tuberculosis. Burial: > 1945 Blawith Churchyard, Lancashire > > . +Sarah Milburn b: 26-05-1921 Laurel House, High Nibthwaite, Colton, > Lancashire m: 1940 Blawith Church d: 07-06-1997 Cumbria > > ........ 2 Elizabeth Ann Hoggarth b:1943 Town End Farm, High Nibthwaite, > Colton, Lancashire > > ............ +Gilbert Armstrong b: 1938 Askam-in-Furness, Lancashire m: > 02-04-1965 Colton Church, Lancashire > > Susan do these fit into your family at all ? > > Regards > > Bill Sawrey > > Queensland > > >> Hello Kev >> >> More information re Hoggarth please? I have several in my tree - could >> you pls give me some names and dates? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Susan Hunter Gandy >

Some of you may know that Yahoo has started a new free service 'Pipes': http://pipes.yahoo.com/ This is 'an interactive feed aggregator and manipulator. Using Pipes, you can create feeds that are more powerful, useful and relevant'. I've just created a very simple search engine for a number of Cumbrian groups and published it under the title 'Cumbrian Genealogy'. Hope it's of some use to someone. Feel free to improve on it! Chris