Hi , I am new to this list and am looking for information on James Steeple Jackson born 1796 at Millom.I have found the info. on the St Bees site but cannot find any details about his parents, I think he was the uncle of Mary Jane Park (nee Jackson) of Millom but this is family hearsay. Hope someone can help. Regards Brian Robson

Hi all, I'm new to the list and am researching the BIRD family in Cumbria. I am focusing presently on the BIRD family found in Penrith in the 17th c. and earlier, which claims a descent from Birdoswald "at a very remote period," but would also be interested in any later BIRD families also from that region. Sincerely, Steve Bird _________________________________________________________________ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews

Amanda I have sent you a National Archives Newsletter it has the links to the Burnt records which are free to search If anyone else would like it let me know regards Patricia Clews www.PatriciaClews.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda Butterfield" <butterfield_home@tiscali.co.uk> To: <ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:45 PM Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Ancestry WWI military records > Sorry - meant to add some more info on James : names could obviously be > mistranscribed, since these are the "burnt records" from WWI so condition > was variable: (there are several possible variations on Butterfield on > this > search : Beatfield / Buttfield / Boatfield / Bodfield...) > > James BUTTERFIELD born 1878 Broughton in Furness (Timber Street) > Died 12.4.1917 in WW1 (wife residing 11 Sun St Ulverston at that time) > James Butterfield - private 55040 10th Bn Royal Welch Fusiliers (under > command Lt Col Compton-Smith) Killed during Battle of Arras Buried > Duisans - > plot I.O.15 > > Many thanks > Amanda > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Amanda Butterfield > To: ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:05 PM > Subject: ww1 record on ancestry > > > Could someone with access to ancestry please see if they can access the > WWI > service record for James Butterfield - he died in France serving with the > Royal Welsh fusiliers. > > I notice from the National Archives that : "Service records of soldiers > who > were killed, died or survived the war (held in series WO 363) are also > being made available on Ancestry.co.uk. The records are being released in > batches, and the project is due to be completed by the end of 2008 - > please > check the Ancestry.co.uk website for latest availability" - it looks > like > surnames A - C have been included > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.30/1125 - Release Date: > 11/11/2007 21:50 > >

Sorry - meant to add some more info on James : names could obviously be mistranscribed, since these are the "burnt records" from WWI so condition was variable: (there are several possible variations on Butterfield on this search : Beatfield / Buttfield / Boatfield / Bodfield...) James BUTTERFIELD born 1878 Broughton in Furness (Timber Street) Died 12.4.1917 in WW1 (wife residing 11 Sun St Ulverston at that time) James Butterfield - private 55040 10th Bn Royal Welch Fusiliers (under command Lt Col Compton-Smith) Killed during Battle of Arras Buried Duisans - plot I.O.15 Many thanks Amanda ----- Original Message ----- From: Amanda Butterfield To: ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:05 PM Subject: ww1 record on ancestry Could someone with access to ancestry please see if they can access the WWI service record for James Butterfield - he died in France serving with the Royal Welsh fusiliers. I notice from the National Archives that : "Service records of soldiers who were killed, died or survived the war (held in series WO 363) are also being made available on Ancestry.co.uk. The records are being released in batches, and the project is due to be completed by the end of 2008 - please check the Ancestry.co.uk website for latest availability" - it looks like surnames A - C have been included

----- Original Message ----- From: Amanda Butterfield To: ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:05 PM Subject: ww1 record on ancestry Could someone with access to ancestry please see if they can access the WWI service record for James Butterfield - he died in France serving with the Royal Welsh fusiliers. I notice from the National Archives that : "Service records of soldiers who were killed, died or survived the war (held in series WO 363) are also being made available on Ancestry.co.uk. The records are being released in batches, and the project is due to be completed by the end of 2008 - please check the Ancestry.co.uk website for latest availability" - it looks like surnames A - C have been included ? Many thanks Amanda

Thanks so much for posting - these are ancestors of mine that I could not find for periods during the early 1800s, now I know where they were in 1804! Sue ~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen" <maureen@ellen68.plus.com> To: <ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 1:47 PM Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Robert WATSON baptism >I found the baptism of this child whilst I was searching the Scarborough >Old > Meeting House or Independent Chapel baptisms on microfilm at Beverley > Archives: > > Robert son of Stewirt(sic) and Elspeth WATSON belonging to the Cumberland > Militia now at Scarborough. Born April 8th and baptised the 9th 1804 > > I have no connection with this family, just posting it in the hope that it > will be of help to someone. > > Maureen > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.9/1067 - Release Date: > 12/10/2007 > 18:02 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This baptism was also found in the Scarborough Old Meeting House or Independent Chapel baptismal records on microfilm at Beverley Archives. Margaret Demptor daughter of John Bole IRVING lieutenant of the Royal Cumberland Militia now stationed at Scarborough and Margarett [or possibly Margaretta] his wife. Born November 20th baptised December 10th 1804 I have no connection with this family. Maureen No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.9/1067 - Release Date: 12/10/2007 18:02

I found the baptism of this child whilst I was searching the Scarborough Old Meeting House or Independent Chapel baptisms on microfilm at Beverley Archives: Robert son of Stewirt(sic) and Elspeth WATSON belonging to the Cumberland Militia now at Scarborough. Born April 8th and baptised the 9th 1804 I have no connection with this family, just posting it in the hope that it will be of help to someone. Maureen No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.9/1067 - Release Date: 12/10/2007 18:02

I have also found on the National Archives website that before serving in the Royal Welsh Fusiliers, James BUTTERFIELD was attached to the Monmouthshire Regiment (private 5548) - another Welsh regiment - yet he was from Broughton and enlisted in Ulverston (do not know when) - would this be normal at the time not to be attached to a more local regiment (at least on enlistment?) Amanda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda Butterfield" <butterfield_home@tiscali.co.uk> To: <LANCSGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:52 PM Subject: Military records / BUTTERFIELD > > > I am hoping someone can provide a little background to a particular member > of the BUTTERFIELD line: > > James BUTTERFIELD born 1878 Broughton in Furness (Timber Street) > Married Kate NEWTON 1908 - probably Broughton or Ulverston ? > Died 12.4.1917 in WW1 (wife residing 11 Sun St Ulverston at that time) > > I have downloaded the relevant war diary from National Archives / looked > on CWGC and found the following: > James Butterfield - private 55040 10th Bn Royal Welch Fusiliers (under > command Lt Col Compton-Smith) > Killed during Battle of Arras > Buried Duisans - plot I.O.15 > > Can anyone forward me any photographs relating to any of the locations > (Timber St / Sun St / Arras / Duisans cemetry plot) ? > Also any information on James' military service other than his death - I'm > not sure when he joined / why the RWF.... (I think he may have been a > stretcher bearer ?) > > As an addition to this - James' brother Joseph BUTTERFIELD ( private 19943 > 8th Bn Kings Own Royal Lancaster) also died April 1917, but there is no > known grave. From the war diary I have, the 2 brothers were together at > Arras - I do not have Joseph's military records either to know why they > were in different regiments > > Many thanks > > Amanda Butterfield

Hello, The following site provides a picture and summary re the British cemetery at Duisans: http://www.ww1cemeteries.com/ww1frenchcemeteries/duisans.htm Hope this helps in some small way. Regards, Jan Isobel

Thanks, Amanda. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda Butterfield" <butterfield_home@tiscali.co.uk> To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 3:44 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Military records Jan I've no idea of the extent of the information held at the National Archives, but this link shows you the relevant pages to look through for war diaries. I searched according to the dates / regiment i was particularly interested in, found there was an entry and paid my £3.50 to download the PDF. There is a warning somewhere that many war diary entries (a daily account kept by the regiment commander of activities at the time) can be of little content (location "rain" batallion training" kind of thing), but if you know the batallion were involved in significant action around a particular date, as I did, then the war diary makes quite emotional reading, reminding you of exactly how much the soldiers went through. Details on the information I got named only several officers specifically, but gave detail on locations, weather, troop movements, inter batallion rugby matches!, as well as the battle of Arras initial days for this batallion. What I'd really like now is specific information relating to James BUTTERFIELD's military record prior to his death Hope this helps Amanda http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/search-results.asp?CatID=2&searchType=quicksearch&pagenumber=1&query=war+diary&first_date=&last_date=&queryType=1&sortSpec=Score+desc&pagetitle= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Wise" <romayor2@cebridge.net> To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Military records / BUTTERFIELD > Does this war diary you refer to contain names of the men who fought in > the > Boer War? If so how can I get there?? > > Jan in S.E. TX > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amanda Butterfield" <butterfield_home@tiscali.co.uk> > To: <ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 5:46 AM > Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Military records / BUTTERFIELD > > >> As an addition to this - James' brother Joseph BUTTERFIELD ( private >> 19943 >> 8th Bn Kings Own Royal Lancaster) also died April 1917, but there is no >> known grave. From the war diary I have, the 2 brothers were together at >> Arras - I do not have Joseph's military records either to know why they >> were in different regiments >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Amanda Butterfield >> To: ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:26 AM >> Subject: BUTTERFIELD >> >> >> I am hoping someone can provide a little background to a particular >> member >> of the BUTTERFIELD line: >> >> James BUTTERFIELD born 1878 Broughton in Furness (Timber Street) >> Married Kate NEWTON 1908 - probably Broughton or Ulverston ? >> Died 12.4.1917 in WW1 (wife residing 11 Sun St Ulverston at that time) >> >> I have downloaded the relevant war diary from National Archives / looked >> on CWGC and found the following: >> James Butterfield - private 55040 10th Bn Royal Welch Fusiliers (under >> command Lt Col Compton-Smith) >> Killed during Battle of Arras >> Buried Duisans - plot I.O.15 >> >> Can anyone forward me any photographs relating to any of the locations >> (Timber St / Sun St / Arras / Duisans cemetry plot) ? >> Also any information on James' military service other than his death - >> I'm >> not sure when he joined / why the RWF.... (I think he may have been a >> stretcher bearer ?) >> >> Many thanks >> >> Amanda Butterfield >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jan I've no idea of the extent of the information held at the National Archives, but this link shows you the relevant pages to look through for war diaries. I searched according to the dates / regiment i was particularly interested in, found there was an entry and paid my £3.50 to download the PDF. There is a warning somewhere that many war diary entries (a daily account kept by the regiment commander of activities at the time) can be of little content (location "rain" batallion training" kind of thing), but if you know the batallion were involved in significant action around a particular date, as I did, then the war diary makes quite emotional reading, reminding you of exactly how much the soldiers went through. Details on the information I got named only several officers specifically, but gave detail on locations, weather, troop movements, inter batallion rugby matches!, as well as the battle of Arras initial days for this batallion. What I'd really like now is specific information relating to James BUTTERFIELD's military record prior to his death Hope this helps Amanda http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/search-results.asp?CatID=2&searchType=quicksearch&pagenumber=1&query=war+diary&first_date=&last_date=&queryType=1&sortSpec=Score+desc&pagetitle= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Wise" <romayor2@cebridge.net> To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Military records / BUTTERFIELD > Does this war diary you refer to contain names of the men who fought in > the > Boer War? If so how can I get there?? > > Jan in S.E. TX > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amanda Butterfield" <butterfield_home@tiscali.co.uk> > To: <ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 5:46 AM > Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Military records / BUTTERFIELD > > >> As an addition to this - James' brother Joseph BUTTERFIELD ( private >> 19943 >> 8th Bn Kings Own Royal Lancaster) also died April 1917, but there is no >> known grave. From the war diary I have, the 2 brothers were together at >> Arras - I do not have Joseph's military records either to know why they >> were in different regiments >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Amanda Butterfield >> To: ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:26 AM >> Subject: BUTTERFIELD >> >> >> I am hoping someone can provide a little background to a particular >> member >> of the BUTTERFIELD line: >> >> James BUTTERFIELD born 1878 Broughton in Furness (Timber Street) >> Married Kate NEWTON 1908 - probably Broughton or Ulverston ? >> Died 12.4.1917 in WW1 (wife residing 11 Sun St Ulverston at that time) >> >> I have downloaded the relevant war diary from National Archives / looked >> on CWGC and found the following: >> James Butterfield - private 55040 10th Bn Royal Welch Fusiliers (under >> command Lt Col Compton-Smith) >> Killed during Battle of Arras >> Buried Duisans - plot I.O.15 >> >> Can anyone forward me any photographs relating to any of the locations >> (Timber St / Sun St / Arras / Duisans cemetry plot) ? >> Also any information on James' military service other than his death - >> I'm >> not sure when he joined / why the RWF.... (I think he may have been a >> stretcher bearer ?) >> >> Many thanks >> >> Amanda Butterfield >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

As an addition to this - James' brother Joseph BUTTERFIELD ( private 19943 8th Bn Kings Own Royal Lancaster) also died April 1917, but there is no known grave. From the war diary I have, the 2 brothers were together at Arras - I do not have Joseph's military records either to know why they were in different regiments ----- Original Message ----- From: Amanda Butterfield To: ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:26 AM Subject: BUTTERFIELD I am hoping someone can provide a little background to a particular member of the BUTTERFIELD line: James BUTTERFIELD born 1878 Broughton in Furness (Timber Street) Married Kate NEWTON 1908 - probably Broughton or Ulverston ? Died 12.4.1917 in WW1 (wife residing 11 Sun St Ulverston at that time) I have downloaded the relevant war diary from National Archives / looked on CWGC and found the following: James Butterfield - private 55040 10th Bn Royal Welch Fusiliers (under command Lt Col Compton-Smith) Killed during Battle of Arras Buried Duisans - plot I.O.15 Can anyone forward me any photographs relating to any of the locations (Timber St / Sun St / Arras / Duisans cemetry plot) ? Also any information on James' military service other than his death - I'm not sure when he joined / why the RWF.... (I think he may have been a stretcher bearer ?) Many thanks Amanda Butterfield

I am hoping someone can provide a little background to a particular member of the BUTTERFIELD line: James BUTTERFIELD born 1878 Broughton in Furness (Timber Street) Married Kate NEWTON 1908 - probably Broughton or Ulverston ? Died 12.4.1917 in WW1 (wife residing 11 Sun St Ulverston at that time) I have downloaded the relevant war diary from National Archives / looked on CWGC and found the following: James Butterfield - private 55040 10th Bn Royal Welch Fusiliers (under command Lt Col Compton-Smith) Killed during Battle of Arras Buried Duisans - plot I.O.15 Can anyone forward me any photographs relating to any of the locations (Timber St / Sun St / Arras / Duisans cemetry plot) ? Also any information on James' military service other than his death - I'm not sure when he joined / why the RWF.... (I think he may have been a stretcher bearer ?) Many thanks Amanda Butterfield

Does this war diary you refer to contain names of the men who fought in the Boer War? If so how can I get there?? Jan in S.E. TX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda Butterfield" <butterfield_home@tiscali.co.uk> To: <ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 5:46 AM Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Military records / BUTTERFIELD > As an addition to this - James' brother Joseph BUTTERFIELD ( private 19943 > 8th Bn Kings Own Royal Lancaster) also died April 1917, but there is no > known grave. From the war diary I have, the 2 brothers were together at > Arras - I do not have Joseph's military records either to know why they > were in different regiments > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Amanda Butterfield > To: ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:26 AM > Subject: BUTTERFIELD > > > I am hoping someone can provide a little background to a particular member > of the BUTTERFIELD line: > > James BUTTERFIELD born 1878 Broughton in Furness (Timber Street) > Married Kate NEWTON 1908 - probably Broughton or Ulverston ? > Died 12.4.1917 in WW1 (wife residing 11 Sun St Ulverston at that time) > > I have downloaded the relevant war diary from National Archives / looked > on CWGC and found the following: > James Butterfield - private 55040 10th Bn Royal Welch Fusiliers (under > command Lt Col Compton-Smith) > Killed during Battle of Arras > Buried Duisans - plot I.O.15 > > Can anyone forward me any photographs relating to any of the locations > (Timber St / Sun St / Arras / Duisans cemetry plot) ? > Also any information on James' military service other than his death - I'm > not sure when he joined / why the RWF.... (I think he may have been a > stretcher bearer ?) > > Many thanks > > Amanda Butterfield > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can you please help? I am seeking the when and where John Huck and Elanor ( Ellen) Thompson who married in 1797 died and were buried. The marriage took place in Kirkby Lonsdale. I am descended from their somn Thomas who was christened Barbob 1800. Thanking yoiu , Bob Simmonds _________________________________________________________________ 100’s of Music vouchers to be won with MSN Music https://www.musicmashup.co.uk

Have you any dates Jan? Peter

Looking for family members of Catherine McCarten. Also info on Charles Kelly her first husband. Jan in SE TX USA

Hi Ann, thanks very much for the address, I will indeed write to the record office, unfortunately I don't live close enough to visit. Kind regards Gill

Hi Stanley, You don't happen to be decendant from a John Walker family formerly from Carlisle,1820 the later Gilcrux in 1851. John walker Jnr was not with his fmaily at the 1851 census but came with them to Australia in 1853. Would like to find his father John walker, a ship's captain. Pam Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanley Walker" <strickens@yahoo.co.uk> To: <ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 6:56 AM Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] George Wilson b Hawkshead c1805 > Hi > > I would appreciate any assistance on information relating to the birth and > parentage of George WILSON born Hawkshead circa 1805 (possibly the son of > Anthony and Elizabeth), and any siblings. > > This George Wilson appears in the 1841 and 1851 censuses at Grasmere, but > it > is his parentage I wish to conform (e.g. baptism record). > > Kind regards > > Stan Walker > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 000775-2, 18/09/2007 > Tested on: 9/19/2007 6:24:33 PM > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > >