Does anyone on here descend from Thomas Docker and Elizabeth Smith, who were b. ca l805 in Newby, Westmoreland. Elizabeth Smith's mother was Margaret Docker (Peggy). Does anyone on here descend from William Docker, their son, who immigrated to America in 1872 with his wife, Mary Ann Davidson, and their several children? Connie Knox Beck ------- Original Message ------- >From : Laarltrev@aol.com[mailto:Laarltrev@aol.com] Sent : 1/2/2008 5:48:23 AM To : eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton Hello Liz, Parkgate is at the far end of Waverton if you were travelling from Wigton to Aspatria along the A596.A family called Peile farm there. Waverton Hall is occupied by the Robertsons. Regards, Trevor Littleton ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Does anyone on here descend from Thomas Docker and Elizabeth Smith, who were b. ca l805 in Newby, Westmoreland. Elizabeth Smith's mother was Margaret Docker (Peggy). Does anyone on here descend from William Docker, their son, who immigrated to America in 1872 with his wife, Mary Ann Davidson, and their several children? Connie Knox Beck ------- Original Message ------- >From : Laarltrev@aol.com[mailto:Laarltrev@aol.com] Sent : 1/2/2008 5:48:23 AM To : eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton Hello Liz, Parkgate is at the far end of Waverton if you were travelling from Wigton to Aspatria along the A596.A family called Peile farm there. Waverton Hall is occupied by the Robertsons. Regards, Trevor Littleton ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thank you Terry, will go take a look. Regards Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "terry alderson" <rabbitcatcher@sympatico.ca> To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > Liz: When you determine the Wharton Hall you are seeking is near Kirkby > Stephen in the Mallerstang valley, this photo might be of interest > > http://www.visitcumbria.com/pen/whartonhall.htm > > If so, the following URL's especially Nancy McLaughlin's excellent site:- > > http://www.freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~enzedders./ > > as well as the following courtesy f Nancy as well,(will keep you awake for > the better part of a night (nights!) > > http://www.geog.port.ac.uk/webmap/thelakes/html/ > > http://www.ukvillages.co.uk/arial_picture/parkgate-cumbria > > > > Good Luck. Terry Alderson Toronto > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Liz Vincent" <liz@lizvincenttours.com.au> > To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 7:12 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > > > > Hi Bill > > > > Checking through some papers, parish registers etc, I have found there was > > another Samuel HALLIFAX and in parish registers he is said to be of > > Wharton > > Hall and Parkgate. I feel he may have been an uncle. > > > > The history of Wigton book says my Samuel's son Joseph minister at > > Kirkbride > > owned Parkgate and in his will he first left it to daughter then in a > > codicil in 1845 says he sold it. > > > > The plot thickens. > > > > Where would I find out more about these two properties?> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hi Bill Checking through some papers, parish registers etc, I have found there was another Samuel HALLIFAX and in parish registers he is said to be of Wharton Hall and Parkgate. I feel he may have been an uncle. The history of Wigton book says my Samuel's son Joseph minister at Kirkbride owned Parkgate and in his will he first left it to daughter then in a codicil in 1845 says he sold it. The plot thickens. Where would I find out more about these two properties? Regards Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: <Gir327@aol.com> To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:56 AM Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > Liz: You might be well served by looking into the area of Kirkby Thore and > Wharton Hall in Cumbria. There have been Whartons, sometimes spelled Warton, > in that area since the mid-1300s. > > Bill > > > In a message dated 1/1/2008 3:04:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > eng-cumbria-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Placename Warton (Liz Vincent) > 2. Re: Placename Warton (Ian) > 3. Re: Placename Warton (Liz Vincent) > 4. Re: Placename Warton (Laarltrev@aol.com) > 5. Re: Placename Warton (Liz Vincent) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:55:16 +1100 > From: "Liz Vincent" <liz@lizvincenttours.com.au> > Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > To: <ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <023001c84b9b$a0b527e0$0300000a@vic.bigpond.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi all > > My 5 x gr grandfather Samuel HALLIFAX was the curate in Wigton and Westward > for many years in late 1700s to his death in 1813. He was baptised at > Wigton in 1735 and the baptism entry transcribed and on the net states he is > the son of Joseph HALLIFAX de Warton. > > I imagined it was a place called Warton but the nearest Warton seems to be > in Lancashire. Of course the parents may live there and may have brought > their baby back to mother's old parish to be baptised. The other thought I > had was there may be a house or property by that name in Wigton. > > Would anyone out there know of one? > > Regards > Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 > P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia > liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au > > . > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:32:25 -0000 > From: "Ian" <ian.white4@virgin.net> > Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001101c84ba0$d1aaa050$0400a8c0@LandSWLFHS> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Could it be Waverton? Sounds close enough to me. I have connections with the > Graingers and Gloags of Westward > > Best wishes for 2008 > > Ian White > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Liz Vincent" <liz@lizvincenttours.com.au> > To: <ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:55 AM > Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > > > > Hi all > > > > My 5 x gr grandfather Samuel HALLIFAX was the curate in Wigton and > > Westward > > for many years in late 1700s to his death in 1813. He was baptised at > > Wigton in 1735 and the baptism entry transcribed and on the net states he > > is > > the son of Joseph HALLIFAX de Warton. > > > > I imagined it was a place called Warton but the nearest Warton seems to be > > in Lancashire. Of course the parents may live there and may have brought > > their baby back to mother's old parish to be baptised. The other thought > > I > > had was there may be a house or property by that name in Wigton. > > > > Would anyone out there know of one? > > > > Regards > > Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 > > P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia > > liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au > > > > . > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:32:22 +1100 > From: "Liz Vincent" <liz@lizvincenttours.com.au> > Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <023c01c84ba9$50264260$0300000a@vic.bigpond.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Ian > > Thanks for the suggestion. Could be, I think I need to check the original > baptism entry. His father Joseph was buried at Wigton so it seems likely > they were established in the area. Samuel married Jane DIXON who was of > Westward. > > I have found a number of references to Samuel including his ordination in > the bishop's papers from the clergymans website. These are at Carlisel > Record Office. This can often give more information on a curate's > background. I'll need to either do another trip to UK or hire a researcher. > > Regards > Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 > P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia > liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian" <ian.white4@virgin.net> > To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:32 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > > > > Could it be Waverton? Sounds close enough to me. I have connections with > the > > Graingers and Gloags of Westward > > > > Best wishes for 2008 > > > > Ian White > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Liz Vincent" <liz@lizvincenttours.com.au> > > To: <ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:55 AM > > Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > My 5 x gr grandfather Samuel HALLIFAX was the curate in Wigton and > > > Westward > > > for many years in late 1700s to his death in 1813. He was baptised at > > > Wigton in 1735 and the baptism entry transcribed and on the net states > he > > > is > > > the son of Joseph HALLIFAX de Warton. > > > > > > I imagined it was a place called Warton but the nearest Warton seems to > be > > > in Lancashire. Of course the parents may live there and may have > brought > > > their baby back to mother's old parish to be baptised. The other > thought > > > I > > > had was there may be a house or property by that name in Wigton. > > > > > > Would anyone out there know of one? > > > > > > Regards > > > Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 > > > P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia > > > liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:48:16 EST > From: Laarltrev@aol.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > To: eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <cf1.25e47826.34aa4d20@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hello Liz, > > Yes, Warton is an old alternative for Waverton. I have dozens of references > to it in my Family History. > > Regards, > > Trevor Littleton. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:49:30 +1100 > From: "Liz Vincent" <liz@lizvincenttours.com.au> > Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <02de01c84bb4$1d70fe40$0300000a@vic.bigpond.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thank you Trevor, that certainly answers my query, most grateful. > > Regards > Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 > P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia > liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Laarltrev@aol.com> > To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:48 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > > > > Hello Liz, > > > > Yes, Warton is an old alternative for Waverton. I have dozens of > references > > to it in my Family History. > > > > Regards, > > > > Trevor Littleton. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-CUMBRIA list administrator, send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ENG-CUMBRIA mailing list, send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-CUMBRIA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 1 > ***************************************** > > > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hi Bill Thank you for replying. I was wondering about Wharton Hall also. I also noticed on the map a village called Welton. All the families connected seem to have been around Wigton, Westward, Caldbeck, Carlisle and Dalston for many, many years. Connecting names were BENSON and DIXON. I visited most of those places in 2003 when I came to the UK. Certainly one of the most beautiful places in the world. Regards Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au You have now been added to my mailing list. If you don't wish to be there, please email me to remove you. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Gir327@aol.com> To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:56 AM Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > Liz: You might be well served by looking into the area of Kirkby Thore and > Wharton Hall in Cumbria. There have been Whartons, sometimes spelled Warton, > in that area since the mid-1300s. > > Bill > > > In a message dated 1/1/2008 3:04:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > eng-cumbria-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Placename Warton (Liz Vincent) > 2. Re: Placename Warton (Ian) > 3. Re: Placename Warton (Liz Vincent) > 4. Re: Placename Warton (Laarltrev@aol.com) > 5. Re: Placename Warton (Liz Vincent) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:55:16 +1100 > From: "Liz Vincent" <liz@lizvincenttours.com.au> > Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > To: <ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <023001c84b9b$a0b527e0$0300000a@vic.bigpond.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi all > > My 5 x gr grandfather Samuel HALLIFAX was the curate in Wigton and Westward > for many years in late 1700s to his death in 1813. He was baptised at > Wigton in 1735 and the baptism entry transcribed and on the net states he is > the son of Joseph HALLIFAX de Warton. > > I imagined it was a place called Warton but the nearest Warton seems to be > in Lancashire. Of course the parents may live there and may have brought > their baby back to mother's old parish to be baptised. The other thought I > had was there may be a house or property by that name in Wigton. > > Would anyone out there know of one? > > Regards > Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 > P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia > liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au > > . > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:32:25 -0000 > From: "Ian" <ian.white4@virgin.net> > Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001101c84ba0$d1aaa050$0400a8c0@LandSWLFHS> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Could it be Waverton? Sounds close enough to me. I have connections with the > Graingers and Gloags of Westward > > Best wishes for 2008 > > Ian White > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Liz Vincent" <liz@lizvincenttours.com.au> > To: <ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:55 AM > Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > > > > Hi all > > > > My 5 x gr grandfather Samuel HALLIFAX was the curate in Wigton and > > Westward > > for many years in late 1700s to his death in 1813. He was baptised at > > Wigton in 1735 and the baptism entry transcribed and on the net states he > > is > > the son of Joseph HALLIFAX de Warton. > > > > I imagined it was a place called Warton but the nearest Warton seems to be > > in Lancashire. Of course the parents may live there and may have brought > > their baby back to mother's old parish to be baptised. The other thought > > I > > had was there may be a house or property by that name in Wigton. > > > > Would anyone out there know of one? > > > > Regards > > Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 > > P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia > > liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au > > > > . > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:32:22 +1100 > From: "Liz Vincent" <liz@lizvincenttours.com.au> > Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <023c01c84ba9$50264260$0300000a@vic.bigpond.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Ian > > Thanks for the suggestion. Could be, I think I need to check the original > baptism entry. His father Joseph was buried at Wigton so it seems likely > they were established in the area. Samuel married Jane DIXON who was of > Westward. > > I have found a number of references to Samuel including his ordination in > the bishop's papers from the clergymans website. These are at Carlisel > Record Office. This can often give more information on a curate's > background. I'll need to either do another trip to UK or hire a researcher. > > Regards > Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 > P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia > liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian" <ian.white4@virgin.net> > To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:32 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > > > > Could it be Waverton? Sounds close enough to me. I have connections with > the > > Graingers and Gloags of Westward > > > > Best wishes for 2008 > > > > Ian White > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Liz Vincent" <liz@lizvincenttours.com.au> > > To: <ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:55 AM > > Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > My 5 x gr grandfather Samuel HALLIFAX was the curate in Wigton and > > > Westward > > > for many years in late 1700s to his death in 1813. He was baptised at > > > Wigton in 1735 and the baptism entry transcribed and on the net states > he > > > is > > > the son of Joseph HALLIFAX de Warton. > > > > > > I imagined it was a place called Warton but the nearest Warton seems to > be > > > in Lancashire. Of course the parents may live there and may have > brought > > > their baby back to mother's old parish to be baptised. The other > thought > > > I > > > had was there may be a house or property by that name in Wigton. > > > > > > Would anyone out there know of one? > > > > > > Regards > > > Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 > > > P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia > > > liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:48:16 EST > From: Laarltrev@aol.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > To: eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <cf1.25e47826.34aa4d20@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hello Liz, > > Yes, Warton is an old alternative for Waverton. I have dozens of references > to it in my Family History. > > Regards, > > Trevor Littleton. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:49:30 +1100 > From: "Liz Vincent" <liz@lizvincenttours.com.au> > Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <02de01c84bb4$1d70fe40$0300000a@vic.bigpond.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thank you Trevor, that certainly answers my query, most grateful. > > Regards > Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 > P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia > liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Laarltrev@aol.com> > To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:48 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > > > > Hello Liz, > > > > Yes, Warton is an old alternative for Waverton. I have dozens of > references > > to it in my Family History. > > > > Regards, > > > > Trevor Littleton. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-CUMBRIA list administrator, send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ENG-CUMBRIA mailing list, send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-CUMBRIA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 1 > ***************************************** > > > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hello Liz, Parkgate is at the far end of Waverton if you were travelling from Wigton to Aspatria along the A596.A family called Peile farm there. Waverton Hall is occupied by the Robertsons. Regards, Trevor Littleton
Liz: When you determine the Wharton Hall you are seeking is near Kirkby Stephen in the Mallerstang valley, this photo might be of interest http://www.visitcumbria.com/pen/whartonhall.htm If so, the following URL's especially Nancy McLaughlin's excellent site:- http://www.freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~enzedders./ as well as the following courtesy f Nancy as well,(will keep you awake for the better part of a night (nights!) http://www.geog.port.ac.uk/webmap/thelakes/html/ http://www.ukvillages.co.uk/arial_picture/parkgate-cumbria Good Luck. Terry Alderson Toronto ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Vincent" <liz@lizvincenttours.com.au> To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > Hi Bill > > Checking through some papers, parish registers etc, I have found there was > another Samuel HALLIFAX and in parish registers he is said to be of > Wharton > Hall and Parkgate. I feel he may have been an uncle. > > The history of Wigton book says my Samuel's son Joseph minister at > Kirkbride > owned Parkgate and in his will he first left it to daughter then in a > codicil in 1845 says he sold it. > > The plot thickens. > > Where would I find out more about these two properties?>
Liz: You might be well served by looking into the area of Kirkby Thore and Wharton Hall in Cumbria. There have been Whartons, sometimes spelled Warton, in that area since the mid-1300s. Bill In a message dated 1/1/2008 3:04:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, eng-cumbria-request@rootsweb.com writes: Today's Topics: 1. Placename Warton (Liz Vincent) 2. Re: Placename Warton (Ian) 3. Re: Placename Warton (Liz Vincent) 4. Re: Placename Warton (Laarltrev@aol.com) 5. Re: Placename Warton (Liz Vincent) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:55:16 +1100 From: "Liz Vincent" <liz@lizvincenttours.com.au> Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton To: <ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <023001c84b9b$a0b527e0$0300000a@vic.bigpond.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi all My 5 x gr grandfather Samuel HALLIFAX was the curate in Wigton and Westward for many years in late 1700s to his death in 1813. He was baptised at Wigton in 1735 and the baptism entry transcribed and on the net states he is the son of Joseph HALLIFAX de Warton. I imagined it was a place called Warton but the nearest Warton seems to be in Lancashire. Of course the parents may live there and may have brought their baby back to mother's old parish to be baptised. The other thought I had was there may be a house or property by that name in Wigton. Would anyone out there know of one? Regards Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au . ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:32:25 -0000 From: "Ian" <ian.white4@virgin.net> Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001101c84ba0$d1aaa050$0400a8c0@LandSWLFHS> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Could it be Waverton? Sounds close enough to me. I have connections with the Graingers and Gloags of Westward Best wishes for 2008 Ian White ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Vincent" <liz@lizvincenttours.com.au> To: <ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:55 AM Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > Hi all > > My 5 x gr grandfather Samuel HALLIFAX was the curate in Wigton and > Westward > for many years in late 1700s to his death in 1813. He was baptised at > Wigton in 1735 and the baptism entry transcribed and on the net states he > is > the son of Joseph HALLIFAX de Warton. > > I imagined it was a place called Warton but the nearest Warton seems to be > in Lancashire. Of course the parents may live there and may have brought > their baby back to mother's old parish to be baptised. The other thought > I > had was there may be a house or property by that name in Wigton. > > Would anyone out there know of one? > > Regards > Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 > P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia > liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au > > . > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:32:22 +1100 From: "Liz Vincent" <liz@lizvincenttours.com.au> Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <023c01c84ba9$50264260$0300000a@vic.bigpond.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Ian Thanks for the suggestion. Could be, I think I need to check the original baptism entry. His father Joseph was buried at Wigton so it seems likely they were established in the area. Samuel married Jane DIXON who was of Westward. I have found a number of references to Samuel including his ordination in the bishop's papers from the clergymans website. These are at Carlisel Record Office. This can often give more information on a curate's background. I'll need to either do another trip to UK or hire a researcher. Regards Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian" <ian.white4@virgin.net> To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > Could it be Waverton? Sounds close enough to me. I have connections with the > Graingers and Gloags of Westward > > Best wishes for 2008 > > Ian White > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Liz Vincent" <liz@lizvincenttours.com.au> > To: <ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:55 AM > Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > > > > Hi all > > > > My 5 x gr grandfather Samuel HALLIFAX was the curate in Wigton and > > Westward > > for many years in late 1700s to his death in 1813. He was baptised at > > Wigton in 1735 and the baptism entry transcribed and on the net states he > > is > > the son of Joseph HALLIFAX de Warton. > > > > I imagined it was a place called Warton but the nearest Warton seems to be > > in Lancashire. Of course the parents may live there and may have brought > > their baby back to mother's old parish to be baptised. The other thought > > I > > had was there may be a house or property by that name in Wigton. > > > > Would anyone out there know of one? > > > > Regards > > Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 > > P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia > > liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au > > > > . > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:48:16 EST From: Laarltrev@aol.com Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton To: eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <cf1.25e47826.34aa4d20@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hello Liz, Yes, Warton is an old alternative for Waverton. I have dozens of references to it in my Family History. Regards, Trevor Littleton. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:49:30 +1100 From: "Liz Vincent" <liz@lizvincenttours.com.au> Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <02de01c84bb4$1d70fe40$0300000a@vic.bigpond.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thank you Trevor, that certainly answers my query, most grateful. Regards Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: <Laarltrev@aol.com> To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > Hello Liz, > > Yes, Warton is an old alternative for Waverton. 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Thank you Trevor, that certainly answers my query, most grateful. Regards Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: <Laarltrev@aol.com> To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > Hello Liz, > > Yes, Warton is an old alternative for Waverton. I have dozens of references > to it in my Family History. > > Regards, > > Trevor Littleton. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hi Ian Thanks for the suggestion. Could be, I think I need to check the original baptism entry. His father Joseph was buried at Wigton so it seems likely they were established in the area. Samuel married Jane DIXON who was of Westward. I have found a number of references to Samuel including his ordination in the bishop's papers from the clergymans website. These are at Carlisel Record Office. This can often give more information on a curate's background. I'll need to either do another trip to UK or hire a researcher. Regards Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian" <ian.white4@virgin.net> To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > Could it be Waverton? Sounds close enough to me. I have connections with the > Graingers and Gloags of Westward > > Best wishes for 2008 > > Ian White > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Liz Vincent" <liz@lizvincenttours.com.au> > To: <ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:55 AM > Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > > > > Hi all > > > > My 5 x gr grandfather Samuel HALLIFAX was the curate in Wigton and > > Westward > > for many years in late 1700s to his death in 1813. He was baptised at > > Wigton in 1735 and the baptism entry transcribed and on the net states he > > is > > the son of Joseph HALLIFAX de Warton. > > > > I imagined it was a place called Warton but the nearest Warton seems to be > > in Lancashire. Of course the parents may live there and may have brought > > their baby back to mother's old parish to be baptised. The other thought > > I > > had was there may be a house or property by that name in Wigton. > > > > Would anyone out there know of one? > > > > Regards > > Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 > > P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia > > liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au > > > > . > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hi all My 5 x gr grandfather Samuel HALLIFAX was the curate in Wigton and Westward for many years in late 1700s to his death in 1813. He was baptised at Wigton in 1735 and the baptism entry transcribed and on the net states he is the son of Joseph HALLIFAX de Warton. I imagined it was a place called Warton but the nearest Warton seems to be in Lancashire. Of course the parents may live there and may have brought their baby back to mother's old parish to be baptised. The other thought I had was there may be a house or property by that name in Wigton. Would anyone out there know of one? Regards Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au .
Could it be Waverton? Sounds close enough to me. I have connections with the Graingers and Gloags of Westward Best wishes for 2008 Ian White ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Vincent" <liz@lizvincenttours.com.au> To: <ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:55 AM Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Placename Warton > Hi all > > My 5 x gr grandfather Samuel HALLIFAX was the curate in Wigton and > Westward > for many years in late 1700s to his death in 1813. He was baptised at > Wigton in 1735 and the baptism entry transcribed and on the net states he > is > the son of Joseph HALLIFAX de Warton. > > I imagined it was a place called Warton but the nearest Warton seems to be > in Lancashire. Of course the parents may live there and may have brought > their baby back to mother's old parish to be baptised. The other thought > I > had was there may be a house or property by that name in Wigton. > > Would anyone out there know of one? > > Regards > Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 > P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia > liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au > > . > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hello Liz, Yes, Warton is an old alternative for Waverton. I have dozens of references to it in my Family History. Regards, Trevor Littleton.
Hi, I have just joined this list in the hope that I might find someone who may be able to help with a mystery I am trying to solve. I am doing this research for a family friend. I am trying to find out what happened to Albert Ernest WHITTAKER who was born in Aston, Birmingham in 1876. In 1901 he married Ellen (Nellie) PRESTON (born c1882) and they were still living in Birmingham in 1907. The family story is that he was killed in France in WW1, but after checking various databases (CWGC, C4 War Memorials, Soldiers who died in WW1 and the National Roll for Soldiers in WW1) I have been unable to identify him with certainty, although I have excluded most of them. It is believed that at the time of WW1 the family had moved to the Whitehaven area and I have found details of an Albert WHITTAKER on the War Memorial at Distington, but details from Find My Past state that he was killed in 1915 at Gallipoli. His death certificate states that he was aged 30, whereas I was expecting him to be aged c39. However, there is another clue from the GRO INDEX, I have details of a marriage in the June Qtr of 1919 for Whitehaven between Ellen WHITTAKER and William M. CHESTER. This is followed by a birth in the March Qtr of 1921 in Whitehaven of Frederick J. CHESTER, where the mother's maiden name is recorded as PRESTON - this appears to be too much of a coincidence. I have been told that Ellen died around 1923/24 and again from the GRO INDEX, I have found an entry for an Ellen CHESTER in Whitehaven in the March Qtr of 1924, aged 41. This seems to be the correct age for the Ellen born in Birmingham. So, I was wondering if there is anybody with connections to or knowledge of this family. If so, I would be very pleased to hear from you. Regards David in Essex No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.9/1198 - Release Date: 26/12/2007 17:26
You need to give us a bit more help, E.! It's all very well knowing he was 21 at his marriage, but you also need to tell us when the marriage took place. Where did he live at the time of marriage? What was his occupation? Name and other details of his bride would also help. Who were the witnesses? Petra ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:33:32 EST > From: BICKERTONP@aol.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Wetheral census 1861 - IRVING > > I am trying to find my gt gt grandfather WILLIAM IRVING. I have not been > able to find him on any census as I don't know much about him. > > All I know is what I have learned from his marriage certificate which took > place in Cocklakes, Wetheral. He was 21 and his fathers name was Robert. > > Wetheral seems the most likely place to start. > > Thank you E.Bickerton
Hello Petra In answer to your questions. the marriage took place in Cocklakes Wetheral in 1874.Both WILLIAM and ANN are registered as living in Cocklakes. His occupation was general labourer and his wife was Ann Johnston Kennedy age 18. His fathers name was Robert and her fathers name was WILLIAM KENNEDY. The witnesses's were JAMES SHANNAN and MARGARET KENNEDY. Your help much appreciated. Ellen
Just doing a simple search on www.familysearch.org the possibilities of William's with father's Robert in Cumberland are: WILLIAM IRVING - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 07 DEC 1850 Stanwix, Cumberland, England [Stanwix is a suberb just north of Carlisle and Wetheral is just East of Carlisle] WILLIAM IRVING - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 28 APR 1849 Hesket-In-The-Forest, Cumberland, England WILLIAM IRVING - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 21 OCT 1832 Kirklinton, Cumberland, England WILLIAM IRVING - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 15 MAY 1853 Saint Cuthbert, Carlisle, Cumberland, England WILLIAM IRVING - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 04 MAY 1845 Christ Church, Carlisle, Cumberland, England WILLIAM IRVING - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 21 OCT 1832 Kirklinton, Cumberland, England WILLIAM IRVINE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 23 DEC 1827 Saint Mary, Carlisle, Cumberland, England WILLIAM IRVING - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 09 JUL 1854 Scaleby, Cumberland, England WILLIAM IRVINE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 27 JUN 1852 Brigham, Cumberland, England WILLIAM IRVING OR STEEL - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 15 JUL 1821 Arthuret, Cumberland, England If you had his wife's name that could pinpoint it further. If you order the film of Wetheral Parish and look at the marriage it should say where he was from. Weddings were usually in the parish of the wife so not necessarily where the groom was from. Also if he was working in Wetheral it would say he was from there and not necessarily say where he was born. A 1851 census would say where he was born. If he was born sometime in 1841 he could possibly not be on that census. The 1841 census would only say whether he was born in that county or not. Familysearch usually has the christening dates in the parish registers so not necessarily the birth date, occasionally it will state the birth date. I am assuming he was born about 1840-41 and the marriage was 1861, you didn't say. Always give as much information as possible when posting a query, i.e., names, place, dates. Bobbie Jean Hooser Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: <eng-cumbria-request@rootsweb.com> To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 2:04 AM Subject: ENG-CUMBRIA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 77 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Wetheral census 1861 - IRVING (BICKERTONP@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:33:32 EST > From: BICKERTONP@aol.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Wetheral census 1861 - IRVING > To: ENG-CUMBRIA-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <d6b.1653b1d3.3492e30c@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > I am trying to find my gt gt grandfather WILLIAM IRVING. I have not been > able to find him on any census as I don't know much about him. > > All I know is what I have learned from his marriage certificate which took > place in Cocklakes, Wetheral. He was 21 and his fathers name was Robert. > > Wetheral seems the most likely place to start. > > Thank you E.Bickerton > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-CUMBRIA list administrator, send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ENG-CUMBRIA mailing list, send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-CUMBRIA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 77 > ******************************************
I am trying to find my gt gt grandfather WILLIAM IRVING. I have not been able to find him on any census as I don't know much about him. All I know is what I have learned from his marriage certificate which took place in Cocklakes, Wetheral. He was 21 and his fathers name was Robert. Wetheral seems the most likely place to start. Thank you E.Bickerton
I have a notation in the Court Baron held at Brampton 5th day of December 1612: Clement Armstrong of Willaivye against Robert Barnfather and Jo Jackson surety in a plea of debt Has anyone heard of Willaivye? It has probably changed spelling over time. I believe this is the same Clement Armstrong of Woodhead, Lanercost Parish Bobbie Jean Hooser Bobbie J. Hooser bobbiejhooser@gmail.com
Dear Steven I have what I believe to be the next step back on one of my lines but am having trouble finding the connection. Henerye Crewbaine? married Marye Byrd 27 November 1634 at Kirkoswald. Henry's name is also written as Crookbain etc... presuming it may later have become Coburn or some such. Henry's daughter Margaret married William Losh of Woodside and Margaret died 1670. If she is not his daughter then she was most likely his sister. Her father was named as Henry on various documents including wills. Interested to know if you have stumbled over Marye Byrd. Regards Marie McCulloch Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Bird" <stevenbird1000@hotmail.com> To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:34 AM Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] BIRD family of Cumbria Hi all, I'm new to the list and am researching the BIRD family in Cumbria. I am focusing presently on the BIRD family found in Penrith in the 17th c. and earlier, which claims a descent from Birdoswald "at a very remote period," but would also be interested in any later BIRD families also from that region. Sincerely, Steve Bird _________________________________________________________________ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.32/1131 - Release Date: 14/11/2007 4:54 PM