Hi Edna Glad to hear you have had some success, as I am still in Maryport if you would like any photos taken of specific places or addresses I would be happy to take those for you. I live just a couple of streets off Curzon Street. My husband is 65 now and has always lived in Maryport and is a joiner as well! Is there anyone in that age group that he may remember, Speak soon Barbara ----- Original Message ---- From: Edna Leopold <ednal@absamail.co.za> To: ENG-CUMBRIA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 24 February, 2008 9:47:01 PM Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Lyall family Thankyou very much to Petra,Glenys Barbara Teresa & Sue and anyone I have forgotten for responding to my e.mail Yes I received the census forms and found my Dad and his siblings listed, thankyou. I noticed Curzon street was listed, which was the only address I have ever known since quite young for my Dad although they lived at 56 not 57 as stated. Lyall Place houses I was told were built by a member of the family and so named but I was not aware of any Lyall's ever living there My parents moved around a lot in the surrounding areas and I was born in Whitehaven but we left Cumbria when I was about five which meant I never had close contact with grandparents etc although I have been back on a few occasions when younger and met quite a few relatives and do remember visiting my maternal grandparents.I wish I had asked more questions then!! I was so interested Sue to learn of the family connection between your husband and my Dad. To fill you in a little bit more as you asked, I had two more brothers and a younger sister. William the eldest then Robert , Stanley ,Sydney and Ethel and I am the last one left. My Dad and my brother Robert both good joiners as they were called in those days & real craftsmen eventually joined forces and worked for themselves in London for many years. Dad died in 1959 aged 74 of a heart attack.My mother was 93 as was her mother.As lyall is a very popular Scottish name , also Cameron my mothers maiden name I thought perhaps our roots were in Scotland but I hope with my daughter help I will be able to go back further on this journey and learn more I have been writing to in- law members of lyall family snail mail at Curzon street up until this Christmas when they moved and I have lost new address unfortunately I would be absolutely thrilled to have a copy of the photograph you mentioned Sue thankyou Having been widowed for 29 years, I have now landed up in S.Africa this last eighteen years at my son and Daughter's request to be near them and their families Can i just say to Barbara still living in Maryport, we could easily be related too as my mother came from a very large family indeed and Maryport not that big Thanks again everybody Edna. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! For Good helps you make a difference http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/

Thankyou very much to Petra,Glenys Barbara Teresa & Sue and anyone I have forgotten for responding to my e.mail Yes I received the census forms and found my Dad and his siblings listed, thankyou. I noticed Curzon street was listed, which was the only address I have ever known since quite young for my Dad although they lived at 56 not 57 as stated. Lyall Place houses I was told were built by a member of the family and so named but I was not aware of any Lyall's ever living there My parents moved around a lot in the surrounding areas and I was born in Whitehaven but we left Cumbria when I was about five which meant I never had close contact with grandparents etc although I have been back on a few occasions when younger and met quite a few relatives and do remember visiting my maternal grandparents.I wish I had asked more questions then!! I was so interested Sue to learn of the family connection between your husband and my Dad. To fill you in a little bit more as you asked, I had two more brothers and a younger sister. William the eldest then Robert , Stanley ,Sydney and Ethel and I am the last one left. My Dad and my brother Robert both good joiners as they were called in those days & real craftsmen eventually joined forces and worked for themselves in London for many years. Dad died in 1959 aged 74 of a heart attack.My mother was 93 as was her mother.As lyall is a very popular Scottish name , also Cameron my mothers maiden name I thought perhaps our roots were in Scotland but I hope with my daughter help I will be able to go back further on this journey and learn more I have been writing to in- law members of lyall family snail mail at Curzon street up until this Christmas when they moved and I have lost new address unfortunately I would be absolutely thrilled to have a copy of the photograph you mentioned Sue thankyou Having been widowed for 29 years, I have now landed up in S.Africa this last eighteen years at my son and Daughter's request to be near them and their families Can i just say to Barbara still living in Maryport, we could easily be related too as my mother came from a very large family indeed and Maryport not that big Thanks again everybody Edna.

Hi Liz (sorry I called you Vincent last time!), I still think the George Wilson McCULLOCH / Mary LAWSON marriage in September Quarter 1888 is the more likely one. The timing fits much better (the first child, according to your own original message, was born in 1889), as does the place. If she lived in Bowness before and after her marriage, surely that's where she would get married? Also, where would Mary's middle name Ann suddenly have come from? Your Mary LAWSON was baptised Mary, not Mary Ann. Also, Mary would have been barely 17 in 1882, which is jolly young to get married (although not impossible). I agree that the variations of spelling of the name do not prove or disprove anything. The people on the page of the marriage of John McCULLOUGH in 1882 include Eliza SKILLEN, Thomas CHAMBERS and Mary Ann LAWSON. In the 1901 census, I found a couple called John & Eliza McCULLOCH in Workington. They had children aged 17 downwards who were born in Maryport and Workington (both of which are in Cockermouth District). And the 1891 census has a Thomas CHAMBERS in Maryport with a wife called Mary A. and children aged 7 downwards, which would fit neatly with a marriage in late 1882 - so it seems that Mary Ann LAWSON married Thomas CHAMBERS, and John McCULLOUGH actually married Eliza SKILLEN, not Mary Ann LAWSON! I really think you should discount the marriage in 1882 and concentrate on the one in 1888. Petra ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:43:10 +1100 > From: "Liz Vincent" <liz@lizvincenttours.com.au> > Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] ENG-CUMBRIA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 19 > > Hi Petra > > Yes I found the one in Cockermouth yesterday, must be only new on. Pretty sure that is the one to a John as the first child was born in 1882. > > The census all have it spelt MCCULLOCH but it is MCCULLOGH on the Free BMD site. > > I certainly know this Mary MCCULLOCH is mine as two children had second names HALLIFAX and GRAHAM which are her mother's and grandmother's maiden names. > > I wonder where John was though in the census, not too far away as she is managing to have 4 children. > > Regards > Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 > P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia > liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Petra Mitchinson" <Petra.Mitchinson@doctors.org.uk> > To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:47 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] ENG-CUMBRIA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 19 > > >> Hi Vincent, >> >> I looked on FreeBMD for a marriage of a Mary LAWSON to someone with the > surname McCULL*, and only one came up, which I doubt is the correct one > because Mary would have been only about 16, and also Bowness is in Wigton > District, not in Cockermouth. >> >> However, for what it's worth, here it is: >> >> Marriage Dec 1882 Cockermouth 10b 868 >> Mary Ann LAWSON matches John McCULLOUGH (2 couples on page) >> >> They could of course have been married in Scotland. >> >> I then tried for all McCULL* marriages in Cumberland between 1881 and > 1891. They were of course numerous, with a variety of spellings. However, > there was only one in Wigton: >> >> Marriage Sep 1888 McCULLOCH, George Wilson Wigton 10b 645 >> with no matches at all. >> >> I then searched for all Marys who were married in Wigton in that quarter, > and there was indeed a Mary LAWSON, but her page number was 646. I looked > her up on the original index images on Ancestry, and the page number was > clearly 645 - so there you've got your couple! I have submitted the > correction to FreeBMD. >> >> Trying to find him on the census is a completely different matter as we > neither know his age, place of birth or occupation! >> >> There is a George W. McCULLOCH boarding in Annan, Dumfriesshire in 1891. > He is aged 29, a Railway Pointsman and born in Liverpool, but it is not > stated what his marital status is, and the Scottish original images are not > available on Ancestry. But there are lots of George McCULLOCHs around, and I > haven't even checked any other spellings... >> >> Getting the marriage certificate would be the next step, that would give > his age, occupation and father's name, which will make it much easier to > find him. >> >> I checked FreeBMD for the birth of any child with the first name George > Wilson between 1851 and 1871 - there were oodles, but none of them with a > surname resembling McCULLOCH! So just to add to your woes, I suspect that he > was illegitimate and started life as George WILSON - the words needle and > haystack spring to mind! Unless, of course, he was born in Scotland... >> >> Good luck! >> >> Petra >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:20:01 +1100 >> > From: "Liz Vincent" <liz@lizvincenttours.com.au> >> > Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] MCCULLOCH family from Bowness >> > >> > Hi all >> > >> > Is anyone researching the MCCULLOCH family from Bowness. Mother was Mary nee LAWSON b. 1866 and children Annie Hallifax b. 1889, Mary Josephine b. 1892, Jane Anne b. 1893 and Emily Graham b. 1900. >> > >> > In the 1891 and 1901 census husband isn't there so I don't have his name. In both census Mary's mother Jane Ann LAWSON is living with her. >> > >> > Regards >> > Liz Vincent

Hi Marie That was my first thought as next door is a fisherman. Regards Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marie McCulloch" <tegmac@tpg.com.au> To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] ENG-CUMBRIA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 19 > He may have been at sea - also the spelling McCullogh/McCullough are the > Irish spelling of the surname so you may want to look that way later. > > Marie McCulloch > Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Liz Vincent" <liz@lizvincenttours.com.au> > To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 3:43 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] ENG-CUMBRIA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 19 > > > Hi Petra > > Yes I found the one in Cockermouth yesterday, must be only new on. Pretty > sure that is the one to a John as the first child was born in 1882. > > The census all have it spelt MCCULLOCH but it is MCCULLOGH on the Free BMD > site. > > I certainly know this Mary MCCULLOCH is mine as two children had second > names HALLIFAX and GRAHAM which are her mother's and grandmother's maiden > names. > > I wonder where John was though in the census, not too far away as she is > managing to have 4 children. > > Regards > Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 > P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia > liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Petra Mitchinson" <Petra.Mitchinson@doctors.org.uk> > To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:47 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] ENG-CUMBRIA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 19 > > > > Hi Vincent, > > > > I looked on FreeBMD for a marriage of a Mary LAWSON to someone with the > surname McCULL*, and only one came up, which I doubt is the correct one > because Mary would have been only about 16, and also Bowness is in Wigton > District, not in Cockermouth. > > > > However, for what it's worth, here it is: > > > > Marriage Dec 1882 Cockermouth 10b 868 > > Mary Ann LAWSON matches John McCULLOUGH (2 couples on page) > > > > They could of course have been married in Scotland. > > > > I then tried for all McCULL* marriages in Cumberland between 1881 and > 1891. They were of course numerous, with a variety of spellings. However, > there was only one in Wigton: > > > > Marriage Sep 1888 McCULLOCH, George Wilson Wigton 10b 645 > > with no matches at all. > > > > I then searched for all Marys who were married in Wigton in that quarter, > and there was indeed a Mary LAWSON, but her page number was 646. I looked > her up on the original index images on Ancestry, and the page number was > clearly 645 - so there you've got your couple! I have submitted the > correction to FreeBMD. > > > > Trying to find him on the census is a completely different matter as we > neither know his age, place of birth or occupation! > > > > There is a George W. McCULLOCH boarding in Annan, Dumfriesshire in 1891. > He is aged 29, a Railway Pointsman and born in Liverpool, but it is not > stated what his marital status is, and the Scottish original images are not > available on Ancestry. But there are lots of George McCULLOCHs around, and I > haven't even checked any other spellings... > > > > Getting the marriage certificate would be the next step, that would give > his age, occupation and father's name, which will make it much easier to > find him. > > > > I checked FreeBMD for the birth of any child with the first name George > Wilson between 1851 and 1871 - there were oodles, but none of them with a > surname resembling McCULLOCH! So just to add to your woes, I suspect that he > was illegitimate and started life as George WILSON - the words needle and > haystack spring to mind! Unless, of course, he was born in Scotland... > > > > Good luck! > > > > Petra > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:20:01 +1100 > > > From: "Liz Vincent" <liz@lizvincenttours.com.au> > > > Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] MCCULLOCH family from Bowness > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > Is anyone researching the MCCULLOCH family from Bowness. > > > > > > Mother was Mary nee LAWSON b. 1866 and children Annie Hallifax b. 1889, > Mary > > > Josephine b. 1892, Jane Anne b. 1893 and Emily Graham b. 1900. > > > > > > In the 1891 and 1901 census husband isn't there so I don't have his > name. In > > > both census Mary's mother Jane Ann LAWSON is living with her. > > > > > > Regards > > > Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 > > > P.O. 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He may have been at sea - also the spelling McCullogh/McCullough are the Irish spelling of the surname so you may want to look that way later. Marie McCulloch Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Vincent" <liz@lizvincenttours.com.au> To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] ENG-CUMBRIA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 19 Hi Petra Yes I found the one in Cockermouth yesterday, must be only new on. Pretty sure that is the one to a John as the first child was born in 1882. The census all have it spelt MCCULLOCH but it is MCCULLOGH on the Free BMD site. I certainly know this Mary MCCULLOCH is mine as two children had second names HALLIFAX and GRAHAM which are her mother's and grandmother's maiden names. I wonder where John was though in the census, not too far away as she is managing to have 4 children. Regards Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petra Mitchinson" <Petra.Mitchinson@doctors.org.uk> To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] ENG-CUMBRIA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 19 > Hi Vincent, > > I looked on FreeBMD for a marriage of a Mary LAWSON to someone with the surname McCULL*, and only one came up, which I doubt is the correct one because Mary would have been only about 16, and also Bowness is in Wigton District, not in Cockermouth. > > However, for what it's worth, here it is: > > Marriage Dec 1882 Cockermouth 10b 868 > Mary Ann LAWSON matches John McCULLOUGH (2 couples on page) > > They could of course have been married in Scotland. > > I then tried for all McCULL* marriages in Cumberland between 1881 and 1891. They were of course numerous, with a variety of spellings. However, there was only one in Wigton: > > Marriage Sep 1888 McCULLOCH, George Wilson Wigton 10b 645 > with no matches at all. > > I then searched for all Marys who were married in Wigton in that quarter, and there was indeed a Mary LAWSON, but her page number was 646. I looked her up on the original index images on Ancestry, and the page number was clearly 645 - so there you've got your couple! I have submitted the correction to FreeBMD. > > Trying to find him on the census is a completely different matter as we neither know his age, place of birth or occupation! > > There is a George W. McCULLOCH boarding in Annan, Dumfriesshire in 1891. He is aged 29, a Railway Pointsman and born in Liverpool, but it is not stated what his marital status is, and the Scottish original images are not available on Ancestry. But there are lots of George McCULLOCHs around, and I haven't even checked any other spellings... > > Getting the marriage certificate would be the next step, that would give his age, occupation and father's name, which will make it much easier to find him. > > I checked FreeBMD for the birth of any child with the first name George Wilson between 1851 and 1871 - there were oodles, but none of them with a surname resembling McCULLOCH! So just to add to your woes, I suspect that he was illegitimate and started life as George WILSON - the words needle and haystack spring to mind! Unless, of course, he was born in Scotland... > > Good luck! > > Petra > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:20:01 +1100 > > From: "Liz Vincent" <liz@lizvincenttours.com.au> > > Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] MCCULLOCH family from Bowness > > > > Hi all > > > > Is anyone researching the MCCULLOCH family from Bowness. > > > > Mother was Mary nee LAWSON b. 1866 and children Annie Hallifax b. 1889, Mary > > Josephine b. 1892, Jane Anne b. 1893 and Emily Graham b. 1900. > > > > In the 1891 and 1901 census husband isn't there so I don't have his name. In > > both census Mary's mother Jane Ann LAWSON is living with her. > > > > Regards > > Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 > > P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia > > liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.0/1341 - Release Date: 24/03/2008 3:03 PM

Hi Petra Yes I found the one in Cockermouth yesterday, must be only new on. Pretty sure that is the one to a John as the first child was born in 1882. The census all have it spelt MCCULLOCH but it is MCCULLOGH on the Free BMD site. I certainly know this Mary MCCULLOCH is mine as two children had second names HALLIFAX and GRAHAM which are her mother's and grandmother's maiden names. I wonder where John was though in the census, not too far away as she is managing to have 4 children. Regards Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petra Mitchinson" <Petra.Mitchinson@doctors.org.uk> To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] ENG-CUMBRIA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 19 > Hi Vincent, > > I looked on FreeBMD for a marriage of a Mary LAWSON to someone with the surname McCULL*, and only one came up, which I doubt is the correct one because Mary would have been only about 16, and also Bowness is in Wigton District, not in Cockermouth. > > However, for what it's worth, here it is: > > Marriage Dec 1882 Cockermouth 10b 868 > Mary Ann LAWSON matches John McCULLOUGH (2 couples on page) > > They could of course have been married in Scotland. > > I then tried for all McCULL* marriages in Cumberland between 1881 and 1891. They were of course numerous, with a variety of spellings. However, there was only one in Wigton: > > Marriage Sep 1888 McCULLOCH, George Wilson Wigton 10b 645 > with no matches at all. > > I then searched for all Marys who were married in Wigton in that quarter, and there was indeed a Mary LAWSON, but her page number was 646. I looked her up on the original index images on Ancestry, and the page number was clearly 645 - so there you've got your couple! I have submitted the correction to FreeBMD. > > Trying to find him on the census is a completely different matter as we neither know his age, place of birth or occupation! > > There is a George W. McCULLOCH boarding in Annan, Dumfriesshire in 1891. He is aged 29, a Railway Pointsman and born in Liverpool, but it is not stated what his marital status is, and the Scottish original images are not available on Ancestry. But there are lots of George McCULLOCHs around, and I haven't even checked any other spellings... > > Getting the marriage certificate would be the next step, that would give his age, occupation and father's name, which will make it much easier to find him. > > I checked FreeBMD for the birth of any child with the first name George Wilson between 1851 and 1871 - there were oodles, but none of them with a surname resembling McCULLOCH! So just to add to your woes, I suspect that he was illegitimate and started life as George WILSON - the words needle and haystack spring to mind! Unless, of course, he was born in Scotland... > > Good luck! > > Petra > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:20:01 +1100 > > From: "Liz Vincent" <liz@lizvincenttours.com.au> > > Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] MCCULLOCH family from Bowness > > > > Hi all > > > > Is anyone researching the MCCULLOCH family from Bowness. > > > > Mother was Mary nee LAWSON b. 1866 and children Annie Hallifax b. 1889, Mary > > Josephine b. 1892, Jane Anne b. 1893 and Emily Graham b. 1900. > > > > In the 1891 and 1901 census husband isn't there so I don't have his name. In > > both census Mary's mother Jane Ann LAWSON is living with her. > > > > Regards > > Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 > > P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia > > liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Vincent, I looked on FreeBMD for a marriage of a Mary LAWSON to someone with the surname McCULL*, and only one came up, which I doubt is the correct one because Mary would have been only about 16, and also Bowness is in Wigton District, not in Cockermouth. However, for what it's worth, here it is: Marriage Dec 1882 Cockermouth 10b 868 Mary Ann LAWSON matches John McCULLOUGH (2 couples on page) They could of course have been married in Scotland. I then tried for all McCULL* marriages in Cumberland between 1881 and 1891. They were of course numerous, with a variety of spellings. However, there was only one in Wigton: Marriage Sep 1888 McCULLOCH, George Wilson Wigton 10b 645 with no matches at all. I then searched for all Marys who were married in Wigton in that quarter, and there was indeed a Mary LAWSON, but her page number was 646. I looked her up on the original index images on Ancestry, and the page number was clearly 645 - so there you've got your couple! I have submitted the correction to FreeBMD. Trying to find him on the census is a completely different matter as we neither know his age, place of birth or occupation! There is a George W. McCULLOCH boarding in Annan, Dumfriesshire in 1891. He is aged 29, a Railway Pointsman and born in Liverpool, but it is not stated what his marital status is, and the Scottish original images are not available on Ancestry. But there are lots of George McCULLOCHs around, and I haven't even checked any other spellings... Getting the marriage certificate would be the next step, that would give his age, occupation and father's name, which will make it much easier to find him. I checked FreeBMD for the birth of any child with the first name George Wilson between 1851 and 1871 - there were oodles, but none of them with a surname resembling McCULLOCH! So just to add to your woes, I suspect that he was illegitimate and started life as George WILSON - the words needle and haystack spring to mind! Unless, of course, he was born in Scotland... Good luck! Petra ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:20:01 +1100 > From: "Liz Vincent" <liz@lizvincenttours.com.au> > Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] MCCULLOCH family from Bowness > > Hi all > > Is anyone researching the MCCULLOCH family from Bowness. > > Mother was Mary nee LAWSON b. 1866 and children Annie Hallifax b. 1889, Mary > Josephine b. 1892, Jane Anne b. 1893 and Emily Graham b. 1900. > > In the 1891 and 1901 census husband isn't there so I don't have his name. In > both census Mary's mother Jane Ann LAWSON is living with her. > > Regards > Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 > P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia > liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au

Hi Sarah Checked the census entries again, not all of them are clear but it appears to be Bowness on Solway. Husband I have now found was John. Regards Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "sarah lee-adamson" <sarah@midnorth.fsnet.co.uk> To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] MCCULLOCH family from Bowness > Which Bowness? > > Bowness-on-Solway? Bowness near Windermere? > > There are Bownesses in Scotland too! > > Regards, > Sarah > Living in Bowness!!!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Liz Vincent" <liz@lizvincenttours.com.au> > To: <ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 1:20 AM > Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] MCCULLOCH family from Bowness > > > > Hi all > > > > Is anyone researching the MCCULLOCH family from Bowness. > > > > Mother was Mary nee LAWSON b. 1866 and children Annie Hallifax b. 1889, > Mary > > Josephine b. 1892, Jane Anne b. 1893 and Emily Graham b. 1900. > > > > In the 1891 and 1901 census husband isn't there so I don't have his name. > In > > both census Mary's mother Jane Ann LAWSON is living with her. > > > > Regards > > Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 > > P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia > > liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au > > > > . > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all Is anyone researching the MCCULLOCH family from Bowness. Mother was Mary nee LAWSON b. 1866 and children Annie Hallifax b. 1889, Mary Josephine b. 1892, Jane Anne b. 1893 and Emily Graham b. 1900. In the 1891 and 1901 census husband isn't there so I don't have his name. In both census Mary's mother Jane Ann LAWSON is living with her. Regards Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au .

Which Bowness? Bowness-on-Solway? Bowness near Windermere? There are Bownesses in Scotland too! Regards, Sarah Living in Bowness!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Vincent" <liz@lizvincenttours.com.au> To: <ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 1:20 AM Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] MCCULLOCH family from Bowness > Hi all > > Is anyone researching the MCCULLOCH family from Bowness. > > Mother was Mary nee LAWSON b. 1866 and children Annie Hallifax b. 1889, Mary > Josephine b. 1892, Jane Anne b. 1893 and Emily Graham b. 1900. > > In the 1891 and 1901 census husband isn't there so I don't have his name. In > both census Mary's mother Jane Ann LAWSON is living with her. > > Regards > Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 > P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia > liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au > > . > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Edna, I've got more than just getting you started! I have trawled through the censuses and found the following for you: In 1891, in Ellenborough (near Maryport): Robert LYALL, aged 5, born Netherton, CUL, with parents Robert (age 48, Railway Guard, born Aspatria) and Margaret (age 39, born Maryport) plus five siblings aged 15 down to 2 years. In 1901, in Netherhall (near Maryport), Robert LYALL, aged 15, Apprentice Joiner, born CUL, Netherton; with parents Robert (age 56, Furniture Warehouseman, born Aspatria) and Margaret (age 56, born Maryport) plus the same five siblings. In 1881, in Ellenborough: Robert LYALL (senior), aged 36, Coal Shiper [?], born Aspatria, with wife Margret (age 29, born Maryport) plus 2 children aged 2 years and 8 months. In 1871, in Ellenborough, Robert LYALL (senior), unmarried, age 27, Guard on Railway, born Baggrow; with widowed mother Jane (age 59, Toll Keeper, born Bolton Gate) and two younger siblings. In 1861, in Brigham, Robert LYAL, aged 16, Farm Servant, born Allahows (misspelling of Allhallows) is a servant to a John COULTHARD (Hind for Mr RAPLEY, 150 acres). Meanwhile in 1861, in Blennerhasset, Robert's parents: Henry LYAL (age 56, Stone Cutter, born CUL, Lowick) & Jane (age 50, born CUL, Bolton). Actually, Lowick is in Northumberland. In 1851, in Allhallows parish, Address: Baggrow, are Henry LYAL (age 46, Stone Cutter, born NBL, Lowick), his wife Jane (age 40, born CUL, Bolton) and their children Ann (age 16, born Blennerhasset), Elizabeth (12), Henry (10), Robert (8) and Joseph (3) - these four born at Gowrie, and Mary (age 2, born Baggrow). Both Gowrie and Baggrow are in Allhallows parish, in fact in the 1841 census they immediately follow each other on the census page. In 1841, in Allhallows parish, Address: Gowry: Jane LYAL (age 28, Ag Lab) with Ann (6) and Henry (6 months). No sign of Henry senior anywhere. There was one of almost the right age in Lowick, NBL, but he was apparently married to a Mary and had several children, so can't have been your man unless he was a bigamist!! Probably a cousin... I found the marriage of Henry and Jane on the IGI: Married 22 Mar 1834 at Allhallows: Henry LYAL & Jane BELL And on FreeBMD the marriage of Robert and Margaret: Marriage June 1872 Cockermouth 10b 863: Robert LYALL matches Margaret MARSHALL And the birth of one of their children: Birth Sep 1878 LYALL, William Marshall Cockermouth 10b 581 which shows that Margaret MARSHALL was definitely the right match! Also (with the greatest of difficulties!) I found Robert senior's birth: Birth Dec 1842 LILE, Robert Wigton 25 166 Wigton District covers Allhallows and Aspatria (which are two parishes lyng next to each other). I am sending the images to you off list. Please note, if you want me to get any email from you quickly, please either send it to me directly or, if sending it to the list, cc it to me as well - I get the digest which often takes several days to arrive! Petra ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 16:26:30 +0200 > From: "Edna Leopold" <ednal@absamail.co.za> > Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Lyall family > > I am trying to trace the ancestors of my father Robert Lyall of Maryport Cumberland born in 1885, his father also Robert Lyall. He married my mother Elizabeth Cameron also of Maryport in 1907 in the Methodist chapel Ellenborough, Maryport > As I am new to this search I would be grateful for any information or advice to get me started > Thanks > Edna Leopold

Hello Edna: You might want to try some, or all, of the following websites to get your started. If you need help with census records, just ask, there are lots of very helpful folk on this list who will try to assist you. I have sent you a link to the 1891 Census of Cumberland, Ellenborough, Netherton Village. Check it out to see if that is your family. Interestingly enough, they are living on Lyall's Place. The census can help you determine years of birth, places of birth and family relationships from 1851 forward, the 1841 does not give relationships, but is still very helpful in identifying places and people. You can then take the census information and work your way backwards. Keep an open mind on name spellings, (I have one line with 12 different ways to spell the surname), as well as other information given in census records. I hope some of these websites are helpful to you. You should be able to identify several of your family members from the freeBMD site. However, several of their servers are down at present, making it a slow search, you might want to wait a bit before trying them. http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/ http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl I know you will receive lots of other very helpful information from some very knowledgeable people on the list. Good luck with your searches, let us know if you need further help. Glenys eng-cumbria-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >Today's Topics: > > 1. Lyall family (Edna Leopold) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 16:26:30 +0200 >From: "Edna Leopold" <ednal@absamail.co.za> >Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Lyall family >To: <ENG-CUMBRIA-L@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <000c01c876f1$65bc6320$b25ed0c4@l1s6i6> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >I am trying to trace the ancestors of my father Robert Lyall of Maryport Cumberland born in 1885, his father also Robert Lyall. He married my mother Elizabeth Cameron also of Maryport in 1907 in the Methodist chapel Ellenborough, Maryport >As I am new to this search I would be grateful for any information or advice to get me started > Thanks > Edna Leopold > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the ENG-CUMBRIA list administrator, send an email to >ENG-CUMBRIA-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the ENG-CUMBRIA mailing list, send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of ENG-CUMBRIA Digest, Vol 3, Issue 18 >****************************************** > > > > -- Glenys Rasmussen http://www.quietAcre.com DFHS #14237 CFHS #15279

I am trying to trace the ancestors of my father Robert Lyall of Maryport Cumberland born in 1885, his father also Robert Lyall. He married my mother Elizabeth Cameron also of Maryport in 1907 in the Methodist chapel Ellenborough, Maryport As I am new to this search I would be grateful for any information or advice to get me started Thanks Edna Leopold

I am lookinfg for family information on the; Coward Family of Cockermouth or the Yeoman Family of Carlisle If you have any informatrion PLEASE contact me Robert Yeoman Coward

Good morning all Is anyone researching the surname DAND? I am in particular trying to find out more on a William Pescot DAND born 1859 in Wigton who married Rebecca HALLIFAX in 1895. Rebecca died in 1908 and William in 1912. I think William was the sone of Henry and Jane DAND. Regards Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia liz@lizvincenttours.com.au www.lizvincenttours.com.au

Hi Listers, help please, I am looking for the burial place ( and hopefully headstone) of James Robinson. He died 17 April 1888 in the Cockermouth area, age approx 65. It is thought he may have been buried in Grasmere/Rydal area. How can I find where he is...Thanks...Shaun...County Durham

Can anyone tell me anything about Blackwell Wood nr Carlisle around 1780. kind regards Valerie Richard

Hello subscribers, Has any list subscriber any knowledge of the coal mines that were in the Gilcrux/Bullgill areas of the county, particularly around the mid 1860's please? Regards to all, Ken Urwin, Middlesbrough, N.E.England.

Ken: Does this help? At least you have the name of the mine at Bullgill ! Terry Alderson. Toronto http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cmhrc/lom08cum.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Urwin" <kenurwin@btinternet.com> To: <eng-cumbria-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 12:12 PM Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Cumbrian coal mines. > Hello subscribers, > > Has any list subscriber any knowledge of the coal mines that were in the > Gilcrux/Bullgill areas of the county, particularly around the mid 1860's > please? > > Regards to all, > Ken Urwin, > Middlesbrough, > N.E.England. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi list, I sent an earlier email regarding William Robinson and his wife Mary. Unfortunately I omitted to add their daughter's name Bridget who was baptised at St Cuthbert's Church, Carlisle in 1784. The baptism entry says she is the: "daughter of Mr William Robinson and his wife Mary of Blackwell Wood, Cumberland". I have found IGI entries of Mary born 1780 and John 1778 both baptised in St Cuthbert's Carlisle, siblings of Bridget. Bridget Robinson married John Spencer Colepeper a Lieutenant in the 21st Regiment of Foot in 1799 at St John, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland. Any information on the family of Bridget would be much appreciated. regards Valerie