New to this list and looking to see whether anyone has the above in their tree. Looking for a Jane Varty born circa 1798 in Alston, who married a Robert Alexander in Edinburgh 1820. They had three boys but then she disappears not appearing with the family in either the 1841 or 1851 Scottish Census records. I have a sighting of a Jane Varty in the 1841 census in Alston with several younger "Vartys". This might possibly be "My Jane" looking after siblings? Any information anyone might have on the family would be welcome. Margaret Alexander

Hi Corinne, I have traced this family for my husband's American uncle (Rik) who alas, sadly died earlier this year. He was over the moon when I managed to get his family from San Diego through Kansas, Carolina, Pensylvania and then back to Watermillock, Cumbria. He managed to visit the area a few years ago and loved it! I have found a few odd entries on the internet for the early part of this family and I have been given baptism records that prove that John Martindale b 1620 was baptised at Watermillock that year and his father, also John, was bp at Warcop in 1599. Rik's line goes through John and Anne's 2nd son John a cordwainer then his youngest son William. I can give you more on that - where does your line fit in? regards Juliet (UK) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corinne" <Twiglets@telus.net> To: <ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 6:57 AM Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Martindale's of Cumberland >I have traced my Martindale line back to a John Martindale & Ann > Tucker of Cumberland, England, and would like to exchange family > history with anyone who may have a connection, > > below is a small description of how far back i have traced my > Martindale ancestors > > JOHN1 MARTINDALE was born Abt. 1620, and died Abt. 1693. He married > ANNE TUCKER, (bet) 1670 & 1676, in Cumberland, England > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am tracing Hartley's bacl from John Hartley of the Gosforth area. He was b 1927 and died in Woodend in 1984. His father was Isaac and mother Annie Pharaoh. I have an extensive tree for the Pharaoh side but very little on the Hartleys. Isaac's father was John Sherwen Hartley bSellafield 1870 - 1957, his father John bSellafield 1835 - 1902, and his father Joseph b ST Bridgets 1805 - 1873. Did John 1927 have siblings? DId Isaac have siblings? Where did the Sherwen come from? His mother Dorothy Jackson would appear to have no Sherwens in the family but I feel sure that there must have been a marriage somewhere as it is a common Cumbrian name. I would love to hear from anyone else researching this area.

I have traced my Martindale line back to a John Martindale & Ann Tucker of Cumberland, England, and would like to exchange family history with anyone who may have a connection, below is a small description of how far back i have traced my Martindale ancestors JOHN1 MARTINDALE was born Abt. 1620, and died Abt. 1693. He married ANNE TUCKER, (bet) 1670 & 1676, in Cumberland, England

Hello everyone My x3 great grandfather John Ruthven was born in Kirby Stephen in 1793. I'm having trouble connecting with the women in his life, namely: 1. His mother, Frances Dobson, b. abt 1764 2. His wife, Agnes Birkett, b. abt 1788 to 1791 3. His daughter Jane Ruthven, who married into a Whitwell farming family, the Dennisons, in 1848. If anyone has these families in their tree, or general tips, I'd love to hear from you. Details are below Frances Parker Australia Frances Dobson married James Ruthven 21 Apr 1785, Kirkby Stephen, age 21 yrs, making her birth date about 1764. Their 4 children were born in Kirkby Stephen: Jane 1786, Richard 1789, Frances 1791 and John Ruthven 1793. Frances Ruthven (senior) of Kirkby Stephen was arrested as a lunatic on 27 Dec 1800, sent to Appleby Goal, and has not been heard of since. She is not in any census records, or free BMD or GRO microfiche death records. The witnesses on the marriage record are illegible and the Kendal records office do not have documents for the goal or KS workhouse for this period. I haven't found any solid clues to her likely place of birth yet and am hoping someone researching Dobsons may be able to help. >From on line parish records it appears Dobsons were not living in KS in the 1760s. Agnes Birkett (itt) married John Ruthven 8 Nov 1813, Holy Trinity Kirkland, age 22, making her b. date about 1791. She died in Sept 1861 age 73 years, making her b. date 1788, the date most commonly listed in the census. Her birth place is listed as Lambrigg in the 1851 and 1861 census. One marriage witness is Mugral Birkett and the records office say this is most likely to be Margaret (eg Margrt). There are lots of Birketts in the Kendal area and some Margarets which could be mother or sister but which ones are hers? Jane Ruthven b 1821 Kendal, m. James Dennison (b. 1827 Selside) in 1848. She was living with James, one child, and his brother John in London at the time of the 1851 census. James and John are the sons of Mary (1797-1877) and John Dennison (1788-1874) from Whitwell Folds, Selside By the 1861 census, James has disappeared, Jane and John are still in London and there are 4 children. By the 1871 census, Jane, John senior, and son John Frederick have disappeared. One son has died. The two youngest children, and an additional child are living at the farm with their Dennison grandparents. John Frederick is living with his uncle in 1881 and takes over the farm from 1891. The other children can be readily traced. Whatever happened to Jane, James and John senior? I'm wondering if Find My Past shows a different record to Ancestry or if they immigrated to the USA as others on both sides of the family had done.

I have found on the internet reference to some documents held at Barrow Records office, 140 Duke Street, Barrow-in-Furness, LA14 1XW. As it is too far for me to actually visit I don't know if one of the nice people on this list lives close enough to look at the records for me? BD TB Wills box 5/91 1915 - Mrs Elizabeth Butterfield, The Square Broughton 21.5.1915 widow. BD Broughton/7/55/4 1912 - "James Butterfield is dead" Draft conveyances 1719-1899 - 18.2.1857 mortgage. John Dixon to James Butterfield for properties in Broughton dwelling house, joiners shop and premises near the Square, Broughton BD Broughton/26/70 - receipt for John Sawrey to James Butterfield for £3. 1. 0. paid to James Butterfield for building work and winding up the town clock for 5 years. Many thanks Amanda ______________________________________________________ Hundreds of Free Games for all the family - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/play ________________________________________________

Thank you, Terry, for trying to help. Unfortunately, neither of the two sites you mentioned have any information on St. Margaret's Church, or any of St Margaret's records. Thank you Trevor Littleton, that is exactly the information that I was looking for. I will have to see if I can find sks to go there and look for my people. A trip to Kendal, from half way around the world from there, is way beyond what my retirement budget could ever afford. Thank you, from a very grateful list member, Mary B. --------------------------------------------------- ATKINSON - Staveley/Kendal; BROWNE - W-Ashford-Kent/Liverpool; COLE - Holme-Pierrepont/Nottingham/Westmorland/Liverpool; DOBSON - Nottingham/Westmorland; JOHNSON - Liverpool; TUFFIN - Holme-Pierrepont/Nottingham ---------------------------------------------------- >Snip< > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:02:17 -0400 > From: "Terry" > Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] St Margaret's Church - Staveley, > Westmorland, now Cumbria > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Terry Alderson Toronto > > Mary B: A list of Parish Churches in Lancashire while not listing St > Margarets might provide the links to help you in your search. Terry > > http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ > > > > Alderson-----Original Message----- > From: eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary B. > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 10:45 AM > To: eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] St Margaret's Church - Staveley, Westmorland,now > Cumbria > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:09:42 EDT > From: Laarltrev@aol.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] St Margaret's Church - Staveley, > Westmorland, now Cumbria > To: eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > In a message dated 14/09/2008 20:50:37 GMT Daylight Time, > rabbitcatcher@sympatico.ca writes: > > St Margaret's Church tower is the only remaining feature. I have found a > picture of the tower, but can anyone tell me where the records, IF any still > exist, would be located? Being that Staveley was located, before 1974 in > Westmorland, would the records have moved to Cumbria, or still be in > Westmorland? I've tried Googling and the IGI, but neither seems to have any > records for this church. > > Any and all help locating them, would be very much appreciated. > Mary B. > > The Registers for the Chapelry of Staveley are at Kendal Record Office. An > indexed transcript is also available in the search room there. This transcript > has not been published and is therefore not available anywhere else. > > Regards > > Trevor Littleton _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008

Hello everyone On a recent trip to the UK, I spent three wonderful (but tantalisingly short) days in Kendal doing family history research. I was unable to track down all the places where my Ruthven ancestors lived in the 1800s and wondered if local residents might be able to help with the following queries. High Beast Banks (an address from the 1841 census) - I found photos of Beast Banks - would 'High' simply mean the top of the hill? Ring of Bells Yard (from the 1851 and 1861 census) - not found on modern maps, presumably somewhere near the Ring of Bells public house? does the Yard still exist? can someone tell me where exactly? Jennings Yard, 11 Highgate (from a 1846 book) - I've seen the wonderful Matthew Emmott photos on the web and found Jennings Ter on a modern map (off Dowkers Lane) - is this where Jennings Yard was? 5 Castle Park Terrace - my family lived here for 30 years. The street is not shown on modern maps but according to old maps and staff at Kendal Library, the terrace is still there, a small lane wedged between the railway line and Sedbergh Road. I found a row of terraces behind those facing Sedbergh Rd - approx opposite Sawmill Lane - but could not work out how to access the houses. I've photographed them from the other side of the railway line in Castle Road and would dearly love to know which one is number five. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Frances Parker Sydney, Australia

In a message dated 14/09/2008 20:50:37 GMT Daylight Time, rabbitcatcher@sympatico.ca writes: St Margaret's Church tower is the only remaining feature. I have found a picture of the tower, but can anyone tell me where the records, IF any still exist, would be located? Being that Staveley was located, before 1974 in Westmorland, would the records have moved to Cumbria, or still be in Westmorland? I've tried Googling and the IGI, but neither seems to have any records for this church. Any and all help locating them, would be very much appreciated. Mary B. The Registers for the Chapelry of Staveley are at Kendal Record Office. An indexed transcript is also available in the search room there. This transcript has not been published and is therefore not available anywhere else. Regards Trevor Littleton

Mary B: A list of Parish Churches in Lancashire while not listing St Margarets might provide the links to help you in your search. Terry http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ Alderson-----Original Message----- From: eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary B. Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 10:45 AM To: eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] St Margaret's Church - Staveley, Westmorland,now Cumbria St Margaret's Church tower is the only remaining feature. I have found a picture of the tower, but can anyone tell me where the records, IF any still exist, would be located? Being that Staveley was located, before 1974 in Westmorland, would the records have moved to Cumbria, or still be in Westmorland? I've tried Googling and the IGI, but neither seems to have any records for this church. Any and all help locating them, would be very much appreciated. Mary B. -------------------------------------------------- ATKINSON - Stavely/Kendal; BROWNE - W-Ashford-Kent/Liverpool; COLE - Holme-Pierrepont/Nottingham/Westmorland/Liverpool; DOBSON - Nottingham/Westmorland; JOHNSON - Liverpool; TUFFIN - Holme-Pierrepont/Nottingham ---------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!55 0F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary B: Perhaps the following site could provide the 'lead' you are seeking: http://www.cumbriaslevenvalley.co.uk/stmarys-parishchurch- staveleyincartmel.html -and I imagine this site is the one you mentioned. http://www.visitcumbria.com/churches/staveley-stmargaret.htm Terry Alderson Toronto -----Original Message----- From: eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary B. Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 10:45 AM To: eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] St Margaret's Church - Staveley, Westmorland,now Cumbria St Margaret's Church tower is the only remaining feature. I have found a picture of the tower, but can anyone tell me where the records, IF any still exist, would be located? Being that Staveley was located, before 1974 in Westmorland, would the records have moved to Cumbria, or still be in Westmorland? I've tried Googling and the IGI, but neither seems to have any records for this church. Any and all help locating them, would be very much appreciated. Mary B.

St Margaret's Church tower is the only remaining feature. I have found a picture of the tower, but can anyone tell me where the records, IF any still exist, would be located? Being that Staveley was located, before 1974 in Westmorland, would the records have moved to Cumbria, or still be in Westmorland? I've tried Googling and the IGI, but neither seems to have any records for this church. Any and all help locating them, would be very much appreciated. Mary B. -------------------------------------------------- ATKINSON - Stavely/Kendal; BROWNE - W-Ashford-Kent/Liverpool; COLE - Holme-Pierrepont/Nottingham/Westmorland/Liverpool; DOBSON - Nottingham/Westmorland; JOHNSON - Liverpool; TUFFIN - Holme-Pierrepont/Nottingham ---------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008

Hello Jean, The only Turnershall Farm appears to be an archaeology site near St Albans. Do you have their names & dates to check them on any possible census? Maureen BENNETT, LOCK, SMALLBONE

Hi Maureen, Thank you for the reply. Afraid my people were from Berwickshire and had a connection to somewhere in Cumbria, but I appreciate your help. Thanks also to the others from this site who kindly answered me. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Knight" <neeruam.nite@tiscali.co.uk> To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Turnershall Farm > Hello Jean, > > The only Turnershall Farm appears to be an archaeology site near St > Albans. > Do you have their names & dates to check them on any possible census? > > Maureen > > BENNETT, LOCK, SMALLBONE > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jean: The only Greenlaw I could locate is in Berwickshire, Scotland and the closest I could come to Turnershall Farm was <Turner Hall Farm) Seathwaite Cumbria about 125 miles South of Greenlaw. http://www.thehappycampers.co.uk/campsitedetails/42/ If you have a name and time period, it would help. Terry Alderson Toroto.----Original Message----- From: eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jean hanna Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 3:42 PM To: ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Turnershall Farm Hello List, Can anyone please tell me where Turnershall Farm was/is? My ancestor in Greenlaw lived and worked there with his family, returning to Greenlaw to have his children baptised in the local church. Any help would be appreciated. Jean, Toronto ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List, Can anyone please tell me where Turnershall Farm was/is? My ancestor in Greenlaw lived and worked there with his family, returning to Greenlaw to have his children baptised in the local church. Any help would be appreciated. Jean, Toronto

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I can't seem to access that record - I have entered Joseph Wild - birth - 1829 but it won't let me enter County. Should I do anything else? Linda Cadier tel: 01425 656702 mb:  07974 201129 Please consider the environment before printing this email.   -----Original Message----- From: eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rene Smith Sent: 09 August 2008 18:06 To: eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] ANCESTOR RICHARD WRAY On Family Search, there is a birth registered for a Joseph Wild St. Peters, Leeds, Yorkshire....The mother's name is GRACE and the father Joseph Wild. Don't know if this helps? Rene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Cadier" <l.cadier@btinternet.com> To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] ANCESTOR RICHARD WRAY Yes I think he could be - maybe she was married before (although she would have been quite young when she married for the first time) or his sister? Linda Cadier Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Original Message----- From: eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marjorie Brubeck Sent: 09 August 2008 14:59 To: eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com; ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] ANCESTOR RICHARD WRAY Could Joseph be the biological son of Grace? ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Cadier<mailto:l.cadier@btinternet.com> To: ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 9:45 AM Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] ANCESTOR RICHARD WRAY I have an ancestor JOSEPH WILD (spelling changed to Wilde with an 'e' in 1860s) born 1829 in Leeds, Yorkshire. In the 1842 England Census he is registered as living with RICHARD WRAY (born in Kendall, Westmoreland approx. 1805) and GRACE WRAY (born South Crossland, Yorkshire approx. 1806). I believe he regarded these as his parents as he used their first names to name his eldest son and daughter. Can anyone shed any light as to how I can trace RICHARD WRAY's ancestors as I have had no luck as yet tracing them. regards Linda Cadier (nee WILDE) Please consider the environment before printing this email. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1601 - Release Date: 08/08/2008 09:02 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1601 - Release Date: 08/08/2008 09:02

Thank you I will look into that - can you give me the URL for family search. I do appreciate this help. Regards Linda Linda Cadier Please consider the environment before printing this email.   -----Original Message----- From: eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rene Smith Sent: 09 August 2008 18:06 To: eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] ANCESTOR RICHARD WRAY On Family Search, there is a birth registered for a Joseph Wild St. Peters, Leeds, Yorkshire....The mother's name is GRACE and the father Joseph Wild. Don't know if this helps? Rene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Cadier" <l.cadier@btinternet.com> To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] ANCESTOR RICHARD WRAY Yes I think he could be - maybe she was married before (although she would have been quite young when she married for the first time) or his sister? Linda Cadier Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Original Message----- From: eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marjorie Brubeck Sent: 09 August 2008 14:59 To: eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com; ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] ANCESTOR RICHARD WRAY Could Joseph be the biological son of Grace? ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Cadier<mailto:l.cadier@btinternet.com> To: ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 9:45 AM Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] ANCESTOR RICHARD WRAY I have an ancestor JOSEPH WILD (spelling changed to Wilde with an 'e' in 1860s) born 1829 in Leeds, Yorkshire. In the 1842 England Census he is registered as living with RICHARD WRAY (born in Kendall, Westmoreland approx. 1805) and GRACE WRAY (born South Crossland, Yorkshire approx. 1806). I believe he regarded these as his parents as he used their first names to name his eldest son and daughter. Can anyone shed any light as to how I can trace RICHARD WRAY's ancestors as I have had no luck as yet tracing them. regards Linda Cadier (nee WILDE) Please consider the environment before printing this email. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1601 - Release Date: 08/08/2008 09:02 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1601 - Release Date: 08/08/2008 09:02

Yes I think he could be - maybe she was married before (although she would have been quite young when she married for the first time) or his sister? Linda Cadier Please consider the environment before printing this email.   -----Original Message----- From: eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marjorie Brubeck Sent: 09 August 2008 14:59 To: eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com; ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] ANCESTOR RICHARD WRAY Could Joseph be the biological son of Grace? ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Cadier<mailto:l.cadier@btinternet.com> To: ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 9:45 AM Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] ANCESTOR RICHARD WRAY I have an ancestor JOSEPH WILD (spelling changed to Wilde with an 'e' in 1860s) born 1829 in Leeds, Yorkshire. In the 1842 England Census he is registered as living with RICHARD WRAY (born in Kendall, Westmoreland approx. 1805) and GRACE WRAY (born South Crossland, Yorkshire approx. 1806). I believe he regarded these as his parents as he used their first names to name his eldest son and daughter. Can anyone shed any light as to how I can trace RICHARD WRAY's ancestors as I have had no luck as yet tracing them. regards Linda Cadier (nee WILDE) Please consider the environment before printing this email. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1601 - Release Date: 08/08/2008 09:02