Hi Gisela, My workings suggest they were 20 and 17 in 1838 when they married. Therefore John would be 23 and Catherine would be 20 in the 1841 Census. I would suggest you look for them as a married couple in the 1841 Census. And his parents would not have him in their house except as part of the family/boarders. Think you have the wrong family there if there is another John of 19. Perhaps the family has moved away to another area. Maybe if you look for the parents in the 1851 Census, as that appears a better choice in locating families, and then using all the names of the children still at home back track to the 1841 Census using the address given there. There is a difference between a Clothes Dealer and a Weaver. If he had been a weaver in the beginning and become a Clothes dealer later I think he would have preferred to be known as that in the Census rather than as a weaver. Hooray, Warren in West Melton 3337, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gisela Sent: Monday, 15 March 2010 11:17 PM To: ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Nicholson & Armstrong Hi List, Does anyone have Nicolson & Armstrong in their family line? I have a marriage certificate of John ARMSTRONG and Catherine NICOLSON at the Parish Church of Dalston by licence on 31st July 1838, For age both are down as minors, Address for John ARMSTRONG looks like Hawkesdale, Dalston. Address for Catherine NICOLSON is Dalstron. Father off John is Matthew ARMSTRONG, occ. Clothes Dealer. Father off Catherine is Thomas NICHOLSON occ. Parish Clerk. Witnesses are Robert EMMERSON & Jane ARMSTRONG, The 1861 census (for Liverpool, all children born in Liverpool) has John age 43 and Catherine 40. The 1851 census has John age 33 and Catherine age 30. I have an 1841 census for Parish off Stanwix town Houghton HO 107/170/4 which has Matthew ARMSTRONG, weaver age 40 and wife Mary age 35. The 1st 2 children are John age 19 and Catherine age 17. I do not know if John & Catherine are brother & sister or if they are the married couple that I am looking for? I would appreciate any advise for going back further and finding out about the families that went before. Thanks in Advance for any further information. Gisela Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List, Does anyone have Nicolson & Armstrong in their family line? I have a marriage certificate of John ARMSTRONG and Catherine NICOLSON at the Parish Church of Dalston by licence on 31st July 1838, For age both are down as miner, Address for John ARMSTRONG looks like Hawkesdale, Dalston. Address for Catherine NICOLSON is Dalstron. Father off John is Matthew ARMSTRONG, occ. Clothes Dealer. Father off Catherine is Thomas NICHOLSON occ. Parish Clerk. Witnesses are Robert EMMERSON & Jane ARMSTRONG, The 1861 census (for Liverpool, all children born in Liverpool) has John age 43 and Catherine 40. The 1851 census has John age 33 and Catherine age 30. I have an 1841 census for Parish off Stanwix town Houghton HO 107/170/4 which has Matthew ARMSTRONG, weaver age 40 and wife Mary age 35. The 1st 2 children are John age 19 and Catherine age 17. I do not know if John & Catherine are brother & sister or if they are the married couple that I am looking for? I would appreciate any advise for going back further and finding out about the families that went before. Thanks in Advance for any further information. Gisela Australia

Common surname. Difficult. How sure are you about the birth date? Is her age consistent throughout marriage/death, census records? Did the Hattons have any blackmith/whitesmith/tool connections? If so then, Isabella may have come from a numerous clan of smithing Atkinsons close to Whitehaven. I would think that your best way to proceeed would be to go carefully through all the Atkinson baptisms in Whitehaven (all churches) and St Bees (as Whitehaven events sometimes get recorded under St Bees). Fortunately their records are pretty well abstracted on the IGI. Note down which families were producing children at the right time and see whether there is a gap into which Isabella might fit. Another approach would be to look at any Whitehaven Atkinson wills, especially any just before her marriage (girls tended to become more attractive after a bequest!). There are a handful of Atkinson wills in the 1830s/1840s, but it might be worth a punt on that of William Atkinson of Whitehaven proved in 1831. Chris Thanks, Chris.... According to death and census records, Isabella Atkinson was born sometime between 1808-1810. She died in 1898, aged 89, in Croydon. The birthdate through these records is consistent between these 3 years. Always either 1808, 1809, or 1810 (more often 1808 or 1809). As far as I know, the Hattons did not have any blacksmith connections. They were plumbers, and "sanitary engineers", ie. garbagemen.... I will continue with my research and see what I can find.... Ian _________________________________________________________________ Take your contacts everywhere http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712959

Ian Roberts wrote: > I am wondering if anyone can help me find my ATKINSON ancestors in Whitehaven. > My 3rd great-grandmother was Isabella ATKINSON born about 1808 or 1809 in Whitehaven. She married John Hatton (born about 1811 or 1813) in Kirkham, Lancashire) in 1833 at St. Mary, Walton-on-the-Hill, Lancashire.... > I am looking for anyone who might have any idea who Isabella's parents could be.... Common surname. Difficult. How sure are you about the birth date? Is her age consistent throughout marriage/death, census records? Did the Hattons have any blackmith/whitesmith/tool connections? If so then, Isabella may have come from a numerous clan of smithing Atkinsons close to Whitehaven. I would think that your best way to proceeed would be to go carefully through all the Atkinson baptisms in Whitehaven (all churches) and St Bees (as Whitehaven events sometimes get recorded under St Bees). Fortunately their records are pretty well abstracted on the IGI. Note down which families were producing children at the right time and see whether there is a gap into which Isabella might fit. Another approach would be to look at any Whitehaven Atkinson wills, especially any just before her marriage (girls tended to become more attractive after a bequest!). There are a handful of Atkinson wills in the 1830s/1840s, but it might be worth a punt on that of William Atkinson of Whitehaven proved in 1831. Chris

And here's the link that mentions the ATKINSONS of Newtown, if anyone is interested..... http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rutledge/DodgsonManuscript.htm you have to scroll down pretty far to find the ATKINSON info From: ianroberts109@hotmail.com To: eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: ATKINSON in Whitehaven Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:32:27 -0400 Hi, I am wondering if anyone can help me find my ATKINSON ancestors in Whitehaven. My 3rd great-grandmother was Isabella ATKINSON born about 1808 or 1809 in Whitehaven. She married John Hatton (born about 1811 or 1813) in Kirkham, Lancashire) in 1833 at St. Mary, Walton-on-the-Hill, Lancashire.... I am looking for anyone who might have any idea who Isabella's parents could be.... One of my relatives had thought that Isabella who married John Hatton was the Isabella listed on the IGI as being baptized March 29, 1810 at Holme Cultram, daughter of John and Betty Atkinson, but today I found a document mentioning this ATKINSON family and it turns out to be from Newtown, north of Carlisle, not from Whitehaven, and this Isabella is listed as being unmarried in 1843, so it is clearly not the one I am looking for who married John Hatton... The Hatton family moved around a lot - including to Preston, where my 2nd great-grandfather Joshua was born in 1847, then down to London (Egham - where Joshua's wife Jane Hyatt was born), spent some time in the 1870s and 1880s in Eastbourne, East Sussex and moved back to the London area (Wandsworth) Ian David Roberts Scarborough, Ontario, Canada Stay in touch. Get Messenger on your phone now. _________________________________________________________________ Check your Hotmail from your phone. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712957

Hi, I am wondering if anyone can help me find my ATKINSON ancestors in Whitehaven. My 3rd great-grandmother was Isabella ATKINSON born about 1808 or 1809 in Whitehaven. She married John Hatton (born about 1811 or 1813) in Kirkham, Lancashire) in 1833 at St. Mary, Walton-on-the-Hill, Lancashire.... I am looking for anyone who might have any idea who Isabella's parents could be.... One of my relatives had thought that Isabella who married John Hatton was the Isabella listed on the IGI as being baptized March 29, 1810 at Holme Cultram, daughter of John and Betty Atkinson, but today I found a document mentioning this ATKINSON family and it turns out to be from Newtown, north of Carlisle, not from Whitehaven, and this Isabella is listed as being unmarried in 1843, so it is clearly not the one I am looking for who married John Hatton... The Hatton family moved around a lot - including to Preston, where my 2nd great-grandfather Joshua was born in 1847, then down to London (Egham - where Joshua's wife Jane Hyatt was born), spent some time in the 1870s and 1880s in Eastbourne, East Sussex and moved back to the London area (Wandsworth) Ian David Roberts Scarborough, Ontario, Canada _________________________________________________________________ Take your contacts everywhere http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712959

Hi List, I wonder please is anyone connected to Enoch NEWTON who was born in Shipley Yorks in 1826 and moved to Penrith around 1855/60 Thankyou, Judith Varley[Leeds]

Thanks for your response Peter. The surname is spelled variously Gillespy, Gillespie, Glaspy, etc. All these spellings were used by the family in question, but Gillesby apparently came to be the preferred one. I do have George's antecedents back for several generations in Cumberland, so don't believe that they were Scottish. I couldn't find George in the 1841 census for England. He may have died, but it is my guess that he emigrated to Canada and is the individual who married there in 1836 and appears on the census in 1851. What I am hoping for is some evidence to support my idea-perhaps from newspapers, monumental inscriptions, directories, etc. Thanks again for your interest. Regards, Virginia

'Gillesby' looks like an English spelling of the Scottish name 'Gillespie' or (in the Gaelic) 'Gilleasbuig'. Have you searched for your Gillesby ancestors in Scotland, just across the Border from Cumbria? www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk is an excellent site (pay as you go). Good hunting Peter Peter B Freshwater, MA, DipLib, FSA Scot Edinburgh, Scotland peter@hillfoot.demon.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "virginia miller" <vjmill@telus.net> To: "Eng-cumbria" <ENG-CUMBRIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 5:10 PM Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] George Gillesby >I am looking for information on George Gillesby born about 1811-12 and >christened May 17,1812 in Wetheral. He was the son of Sybil Gillesby who >was the sister of my ggg grandmother, Jane Gillesby. Jane and two brothers >emigrated to Ontario in the early 1830's. > There is a George Gillesby, born in England 1812, who married in Ontario, > Canada in Dec, 1836. He died in Ontario in 1890. Parents names were not > given on the marriage or death records. Various census records in Ontario > give his occupation as miller, farmer, innkeeper. I believe that these > two Georges are the same individual, but am looking for some sort of > confirmation. Any ideas would be appreciated. > Regards, > Virginia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I live in Dorset and am unable to search original records in the Carlisle R.O. and hoping somebody local would be kind enough to search the original records to see if they contain information I cannot access via the IGI or internet. I would happily reciprocate in Dorset. A recent autosomal DNA test shows I have a connection to the Eddie family and this clue points me in the direction of a particular Atkinson family in Carlisle as being possibly my family. This is the family of Shadrach Atkinson and Margaret Edde. They married in Gateshead in 1776 but christening children at St Cuthbert's Carlisle from 1778 to 1791. I have this info based on the IGI. I believe their son John born 1783 may be my ancestor. Best wishes, Chris Atkinson christopher.atkinson700@ntlworld.com

Kia ora William, That's one variation I hadn't considered. Thank you so much. Yes, I would be grateful for the original if you can. Kindest regard, Gavin Harrison Yates ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Bundred" <william-bundred@supanet.com> To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:30 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Isaac Mallison/Mallinson > Hi Gavin, > This is them in 1841 > I can send original image. > Mattinson is in fact Mallison when you look at the original. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > MATTISON, Isaac M 30 1811 Cumberland > MATTISON, Mary F 25 1816 Cumberland > MATTISON, William M 2 1839 Cumberland > MATTISON, Elizabeth F 0 (1 months) 1841 Cumberland > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > RG number:HO107 > Piece:162 > Book/Folio:11/6 > Page:6 > > Registration District:Wigton > Sub District:Abbey Holme EnumerationDistrict: > Ecclesiastical Parish: > Civil Parish:Holme Cultram > Municipal Borough > Address: > Calvo, Holme Cultram, Holme, Low County: > Cumberland > > > best wishes > William > http://www.cumberland-ancestor-trackers.supanet.com/main.htm > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am looking for information on George Gillesby born about 1811-12 and christened May 17,1812 in Wetheral. He was the son of Sybil Gillesby who was the sister of my ggg grandmother, Jane Gillesby. Jane and two brothers emigrated to Ontario in the early 1830's. There is a George Gillesby, born in England 1812, who married in Ontario, Canada in Dec, 1836. He died in Ontario in 1890. Parents names were not given on the marriage or death records. Various census records in Ontario give his occupation as miller, farmer, innkeeper. I believe that these two Georges are the same individual, but am looking for some sort of confirmation. Any ideas would be appreciated. Regards, Virginia

Can anyone please help with further information about the members of this family? In the 1851 census in Penrith; Isaac Mallison/Mallinson aged 47 b Langwathby, his wife Mary (nee Postlethwaite) aged 36 b Astley 1815, a son (12) William, b Penrith 1839, and a daughter Mary (4) b Penrith 1847 I can spot no further record and would be grateful for any assistance or suggestions. Gavin Yates in Christchurch New Zealand

Hi Gavin, This is them in 1841 I can send original image. Mattinson is in fact Mallison when you look at the original. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- MATTISON, Isaac M 30 1811 Cumberland MATTISON, Mary F 25 1816 Cumberland MATTISON, William M 2 1839 Cumberland MATTISON, Elizabeth F 0 (1 months) 1841 Cumberland ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- RG number:HO107 Piece:162 Book/Folio:11/6 Page:6 Registration District:Wigton Sub District:Abbey Holme EnumerationDistrict: Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish:Holme Cultram Municipal Borough Address: Calvo, Holme Cultram, Holme, Low County: Cumberland best wishes William http://www.cumberland-ancestor-trackers.supanet.com/main.htm

Hello All, I wonder if someone can tell me how I can find out the location of a grave in the Harrington Road Cemetery, Workington. I found someone who is willing to take a photo of my grandparents' gravestone if I can provide the location (I live in the U.S.). I emailed enquiries@allerdale.gov.uk with no response. Then, following a lead on an old message on a listserve, I emailed bereavement.services@allerdale.gov.uk The person who advised this had received a response, but I received none. I indicated that I was willing to pay a fee if there is one for this service, but there was simply no answer. Thank you for any advice you can offer. Mary

Hi Gavin, A very elusive family! I had no luck finding them in the 1841 census, or a later one. In spite of what it says in the 1851 census, it appears William was baptised in Holme Cultram parish on 23 Dec 1838, son of Isaac & Mary MALISON (IGI). Margaret's baptism is really interesting on the IGI: Bap. 30 May 1847 at Dacre: Margaret, daur. of Isaac MALLINSON or POSTTETHWAITE and Mary. This may just have a mistake in the register, but is it possible that the family at times went under the name POSTLETHWAITE? The couple (as MALLI(N)SON) also had a daughter Elizabeth bap. 04 Jul 1841 at Holme Cultram, and a son Isaac on 07 Jan 1844 at Dacre. So they should have been at Holme Cultram in the 1841 census, which took place on 06 Jun 1841. Actually, I have got a feeling Ancestry are missing at least parts of the Holme Cultram 1841 census. There is no Holme Cultram, Abbey Holme or similar on their browse list for the 1841 census. In fact, I checked - Ancestry definitely have got a gap there. Holme Cultram parish is in Piece 162, Books 7-15. Book 6 (which may or may not be Holme Cultram) is missing even from the PRO's film, so probably is lost. However, the PRO does have Books 7-15 on film, but Ancestry definitely have not filmed them - if you just put in the Piece and Book numbers in the 1841 census search form and leave all other fields blank, you get no hits at all. Not all is lost - one of the other pay per view sites may have filmed the books missing on Ancestry. Or you may be able to get the census film via the Mormon Family History Library. This of course still does not explain where the family disappeared to after 1851, but at least you now have a fairly good idea where they should have been in 1841! Some Civil registration index finds: Birth Dec 1838 MALLINSON, William Wigton 25 156 Birth Jun 1841 MALLISON, Elizabeth Wigton 25 163 Birth Dec 1843 MALLINSON, Isaac Penrith 25 134 Birth Jun 1847 MALLINSON, Margaret Penrith 25 141 Death Dec 1845 MALLISON, Elizabeth Penrith 25 89 Death Dec 1848 MALLISON, Elizabeth Penrith 25 50 [incorrectly says 60 on FreeBMD] Can't tell which is the correct Elizabeth as no age is given in the index at that time. Could not find little Isaac's death, but neither could I find him in the 1851 census. Petra ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:58:42 +1300 > From: "Gavin Harrison Yates" <gavinyates@xtra.co.nz> > Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Isaac Mallison/Mallinson > To: "Cumbria" <ENG-Cumbria@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <5BBFF6E56C2C467FAFDC9FE7F667538A@Pauline> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Can anyone please help with further information about the members of this family? > > In the 1851 census in Penrith; Isaac Mallison/Mallinson aged 47 b Langwathby, his wife Mary (nee Postlethwaite) aged 36 b Astley 1815, a son (12) William, b Penrith 1839, and a daughter Mary (4) b Penrith 1847 > > I can spot no further record and would be grateful for any assistance or suggestions. > > Gavin Yates in Christchurch New Zealand

I continue to research my Moor line in and around the Aspatria area. Marilyn Brown Canada

To those who replied to my query Many thanks for suggestions re Prestor. The general consensus would be a "presbyterian minister" Gordon Derbyshire No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2657 - Release Date: 01/30/10 07:35:00

Hi Jan, How strange that you found these baptisms when I tried a few times to do so on the IGI. I must be losing it!!! I will look again. I appreciate your help as it confirms that I got the correct entries in the BD&M indexes. (Will have another look at the IGI now) Much appreciated. Cheers, Andrea. -----Original Message----- From: eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JanIsobel@aol.com Sent: Saturday, 30 January 2010 1:35 AM To: eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com; ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Shackley family In a message dated 1/29/2010 5:54:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, fitzys@alphalink.com.au writes: Unfortunately I can't find any reference to a marriage for this couple, nor can I find births/baptisms. I have had no luck I finding any record of the baptisms of their children Alice, Joseph & Isaac either. There is nothing listed on the IGI although I think I've found reference to Joseph and Isaac's births in the BD&M indexes. Hello Andrea, Joseph Shackley's christening record is on the IGI. It is an extracted record i.e., it is not simply a record that has been added by a submitter. He was christened 23 November 1845 at Holy Trinity, Carlisle, Cumberland. Parents indicated to be John Shackley and Jane. The batch number is C045461. Another child, Jane, was christened there in 1844. Perhaps she died prior to the 1851 census. No sign of Alice or Isaac though. Hope this helps in some small way. Regards, Jan Isobel ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am seeking help with the family of Daniel McMullin and Ann McQuade who were living in Cumberland between 1839 and 1867. I have located this couple and their family in Carlisle in the 1851 census but cannot find them in the 1841 or 1861. The 1851 census lists Daniel and Ann as living at 58 Duke St. Caldewgate, Carlisle, Cumberland. Daniel is aged 38 and occupation 'hand loom weaver" born Ireland. Ann is listed as aged 36, a "bobbin winder" and also born Ireland. Living with them are their children: - Alexander aged 11 born Carlisle, Cumberland, hand loom weaver. - Richard aged 9 born North Shields, Northumberland, bobbin winder. - Ann aged 4, born Carlisle, Cumberland. - Isabella aged 1, born Carlisle, Cumberland. Also present are a lodger Bridget Finn who is a widow aged 41 born Ireland, no occupation listed, and her two children Patrick Finn aged 9 and Dominic Finn aged 7, both born Ireland. Although Alexander would have been born prior to the 1841 census I can't find the family in either Cumberland or Northumberland. Nor can I find them in the 1861 census. The family had migrated to Queensland, Australia by the time Richard married in 1867 but I can't find them on the shipping lists. I'm not certain if Daniel and Ann married in England or Ireland as I can't find a record of a marriage for them. Neither Daniel or Ann have parents listed on their death registrations. I haven't had any luck locating baptisms for the children on the IGI but I believe I've located their birth entries on the BD&M indexes. I would greatly appreciate any assistance that would help me to find immigration or emigration records for Daniel & Ann or to find out where in Ireland they came from. Many thanks, Andrea In Melbourne Australia