Hi Michael, I think it says: 3 Douglas Bourne, do (for Market Place), Ship Inn Douglas Bourne seems to have been an address in Whitehaven - it is also mentioned in Roland Grigg's Index of Census Places in Cumberland in 1851. At http://www.whitehaven.org.uk/pubs.html there is a map of old inns of Whitehaven - the Ship Inn is No. 14. The National Archives have a list of census places in Whitehaven at http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Place:Whitehaven_Registration_District,_1891_Census_Street_Index , and there is Douglas Burn Court, Market Place. The Ship Inn is also listed, but not under the address Douglas Bourne/Burn. On a Rootschat board I found this sentence in a message: "I've seen him in a trade directory of 1873 where he was a cork manufacturer and publican of the Ship Inn, Douglas Passage, Market Place, Whitehaven." So 3 Douglas Bourne, Market Place, Ship Inn, seems to be address for your Isaac NICHOLSON. Petra ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:59:33 +0000 > From: Michael <michael.lonsdale@sky.com> > Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Can somebody help with Whitehaven address in 1901 > > Hi > Happy New Year to all on the list. > > I have an address in the 1901 Census RG13 Piece 4891 Folio 77 Page 17. > Whitehaven not certain what it is. > Down near the bottom of the page is Isaac NICHOLSON and his so John T > and the address is 3 Douglas ?????????? Ship Inn. It is between 12 > Market Place and 13 Market Place. > > It looks like 3 Douglas BROWNS then /do/ (ie ditto) Ship Inn. > > Can anybody help please? > > Many thanks > Michael

Hi Michael I did an address search on the 1911 and found Douglas Bourne Market Place & George IV Inn by 13 Market Place, there wasn't any 12 there. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael" <michael.lonsdale@sky.com> To: <ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 5:59 PM Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Can somebody help with Whitehaven address in 1901 > Hi > Happy New Year to all on the list. > > I have an address in the 1901 Census RG13 Piece 4891 Folio 77 Page 17. > Whitehaven not certain what it is. > Down near the bottom of the page is Isaac NICHOLSON and his so John T > and the address is 3 Douglas ?????????? Ship Inn. It is between 12 > Market Place and 13 Market Place. > > It looks like 3 Douglas BROWNS then /do/ (ie ditto) Ship Inn. > > Can anybody help please? > > Many thanks > Michael > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

sorry, spelling error   www.whitehaven.org.uk/pubs.html   (hadn't got my glasses on!) ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: sue fryer <sue.fryer@yahoo.co.uk> To: eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 15 January, 2011 11:24:22 Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Can somebody help with Whitehaven address in 1901 Hello Michael Yes, tricky to read. I'm not sure either... looked like Burns**? or even something Welsh! Maybe a local term for 'Court' (see below). Anyway I went on two sites for further information: 1) www.historicaldirectories.org Click on 'Cumberland' on map Click on 'History, Topography & Directories of Cumberland 1901' In search box put 'ship inn' click 'Go' on page 650 'Alphabetical Directory' there is an entry for Mrs Barker, vict., Douglas Court, Market Place. 2) www.whaitehaven.org.uk/pubs.html I Googled 'ship inn whitehaven' to get this. (Pubs of Whitehaven) This site has a map which shows the position of all the old pubs from 1846-1958, including the Ship. Although it gives no more on the address, it does show it in relation to Market Place. Hope there is something here of help or interest. Regards Sue ________________________________ From: Michael <michael.lonsdale@sky.com> To: ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 14 January, 2011 17:59:33 Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Can somebody help with Whitehaven address in 1901 Hi Happy New Year to all on the list. I have an address in the 1901 Census RG13 Piece 4891 Folio 77 Page 17. Whitehaven not certain what it is. Down near the bottom of the page is Isaac NICHOLSON and his so John T and the address is 3 Douglas ?????????? Ship Inn. It is between 12 Market Place and 13 Market Place. It looks like 3 Douglas BROWNS  then /do/ (ie ditto) Ship Inn. Can anybody help please? Many thanks Michael ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message       ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Michael Yes, tricky to read. I'm not sure either... looked like Burns**? or even something Welsh! Maybe a local term for 'Court' (see below). Anyway I went on two sites for further information: 1) www.historicaldirectories.org Click on 'Cumberland' on map Click on 'History, Topography & Directories of Cumberland 1901' In search box put 'ship inn' click 'Go' on page 650 'Alphabetical Directory' there is an entry for Mrs Barker, vict., Douglas Court, Market Place. 2) www.whaitehaven.org.uk/pubs.html I Googled 'ship inn whitehaven' to get this. (Pubs of Whitehaven) This site has a map which shows the position of all the old pubs from 1846-1958, including the Ship. Although it gives no more on the address, it does show it in relation to Market Place. Hope there is something here of help or interest. Regards Sue ________________________________ From: Michael <michael.lonsdale@sky.com> To: ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 14 January, 2011 17:59:33 Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Can somebody help with Whitehaven address in 1901 Hi Happy New Year to all on the list. I have an address in the 1901 Census RG13 Piece 4891 Folio 77 Page 17. Whitehaven not certain what it is. Down near the bottom of the page is Isaac NICHOLSON and his so John T and the address is 3 Douglas ?????????? Ship Inn. It is between 12 Market Place and 13 Market Place. It looks like 3 Douglas BROWNS  then /do/ (ie ditto) Ship Inn. Can anybody help please? Many thanks Michael ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Michael, It looks like Douglas Bourne to me and I believe that is correct. A bit of 'Googling' found that there is a reference to Douglas Bourne relative to the census index for Whitehaven for both 1851 and 1891, so it's not unreasonable to expect that it also existed in 1901. Apparently, "bourne" means a boundary (among other things). That would make sense if it's just a small area in the Market Place. Hope this helps. Regards, Jan Isobel

Hi Happy New Year to all on the list. I have an address in the 1901 Census RG13 Piece 4891 Folio 77 Page 17. Whitehaven not certain what it is. Down near the bottom of the page is Isaac NICHOLSON and his so John T and the address is 3 Douglas ?????????? Ship Inn. It is between 12 Market Place and 13 Market Place. It looks like 3 Douglas BROWNS then /do/ (ie ditto) Ship Inn. Can anybody help please? Many thanks Michael

Listers, You may be able to help me with my oldest "Brickwall". My ancestor John LEWTHWAITE was born in Cumberland circa 1753. He was press-ganged at Whitehaven in the 1770's and married a Devon girl, Catherine THOMAS, at Stoke Damerel on 28/01/1781 and had a son William Thomas circa 1787. I have no other information about him, his wife or any other issue. Then there is the family story about John's grandson, William Thomas LEWTHWAITE (1827-1903). He was an orphan - his parents died in a cholera epidemic in the 1830's. He worked in Devonport Dockyard and in the early 1840's some rich relatives came looking for him. He felt he was too scruffily dressed and went and hid himself. The visitors went away. Were the visitors members of the influential Millom branch of Lewthwaite?? Could John have been the product of an illicit relationship between a LEWTHWAITE and some servant?? It is unlikely BUT!!! Have you any information that might help me? David Lewthwaite Henwood

Hi, I'm Michael, I'm new to this list but subscribe to other lists. Hope everybody had a great Christmas? Can anybody help with the following please? The husband of my wife's niece has asked me to help him with his research. It's the NICHOLSON line from around the Whitehaven area. I see from the archives that Peter DAWSON from South Africa was interested in the NICHOLSON line from Whitehaven back in 2005 so perhaps he's still on the list, his email address from then is not working, perhaps somebody has a current contact email address? His grandfather was Isaac NICHOLSON who was born in the early 1900's and his father John Thomas NICHOLSON either died or disappeared when he was very young and from what he has been told Isaac was raised (he thinks) by his grandfather and mother or grandmother. It looks like John Thomas NICHOLSON married either Sarah Jane TELFORD or Sarah Johnston KELLY, not certain which. He only asked for my help late Christmas Eve so I've had little time to do much research and don't have access to the online census at home but can access it via the library, which doesn't open again until Wednesday 29 Dec. But I have done a few searches and I don't seem to be able to find Isaac's parents in the 1911 but I can't view the transcript or original. From what I have been able to find, I think Isaac's father was John Thomas NICHOLSON was born 1876ish and his parents were Isaac NICHOLSON and Margaret CLEARY who married in 1867. Would love to hear anybody researching this family Many thanks Michael cold Snowy, West Lancashire

Cumberland & Westmorland Herald Incorporating THE PENRITH OBSERVER LAST EDITION -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 114th Year - 13th Week in Quarter Penrith, Saturday, June 29, 1974 Weekly - 4p -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Page 5, column 4 Local Wedding [Photo] SCOTT - MILBURN The Rev. A. SCOTT, Vicar of Bishop Edwards Kings Church, conducted the ceremony at St. Michael's Church when his daughter, Miss Jennifer Anne SCOTT, The Vicarage, Wingate Road, Grimsby, married Mr. Ivan Harold MILBURN, of Rothesay Road, Heysham. Mr. MILBURN, a writer in the Royal Navy, is the eldest son of Mr. and Mrs. W. MILBURN, late of Smardale and Ormside. Given away by her brother, Mr. Anthony Brett SCOTT, the bride wore a parchment gown, trimmed with guipure lace. It had a high waist and neckline, medieval bustle and train and a hood over a diamante and pearl tiara. The bridesmaids were Fiona Jane SCOTT (sister of the bride), Hilary Elizabeth MILBURN (sister of the bridegroom) and Elizabeth and Emma KERBY (nieces of the bride). Miss SCOTT and Miss MILBURN wore coffee and white polished cotton dresses trimmed with brown velvet ribbon. The two younger bridesmaids wore yellow and white polished cotton dresses trimmed with yellow velvet ribbon. Mr. Roy WEST was the best man and Mr. John MILBURN the groomsman. The bridegroom has just returned to England on H.M. ship Jupiter. After a reception at the Vicarage, the couple left for a honeymoon at Appleby and the Lake District.

Cumberland & Westmorland Herald Incorporating THE PENRITH OBSERVER LAST EDITION -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 114th Year - 13th Week in Quarter Penrith, Saturday, June 29, 1974 Weekly - 4p -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Page 2, columns 3-4 Women's Institutes [continued] ------------------- SEBERGHAM Out of the proceeds of the bring and buy sale held at the May meeting, it was agreed at the June meeting to make a donation to the Multiple Sclerosis Society. Other matters discussed were the drive for waste paper, the Group meeting and the annual flower show on 21st August. Mrs. HAGGAR, with her assistant, gave a demonstration on the benefits of Hatha Yoga. Mrs. GRAHAM thanked Mrs. HAGGAR for her interesting talk, and for the evening's competition - "Who was the most relaxed person present?" Mrs. HAGGAR awarded: 1 Mrs. PALMER, 2 Mrs. JEFFERSON. Refreshments were served by Mesdames STOCKDALE and WHITE. The next meeting will be on 13th August, there being no meeting in July. SOUTHWAITE Miss PICKERING presided. Mrs. HARTLEY was thanked by the President for selling flags in the village for the R.N.L.I. It was decided to entertain a party of Garlands patients in September. The demonstration of smocking, given by Miss FINCH DAWSON, was greatly enjoyed, the vote of thanks being given by Mrs. FAIRHURST. The competition for the prettiest hairbrush was won by Miss PICKERING, 2 Mrs. CARSON, 3 Mrs. J. FISHER. The drawing was won by Mrs. CARSON. Mrs. VINEY and Mrs. BARRASS arranged the entertainment, the winners being Mrs. CARSON and Mrs. FAIRHURST. Supper was served by Mrs. FAIRHURST and Mrs. MILLAR. WATERMILLOCK In the absence of the President, Mrs. BROOKES presided and welcomed Miss FINCH-DAWSON, Kings Meaburn, and her friend, Mrs. BOUCH. Miss FINCH-DAWSON gave a helpful demonstration on patchwork and brought beautiful examples of her work, as well as some very old pieces. She explained the history of patchwork and the various designs which can be made. She was thanked by Miss M. CRAIG. The Summer outing is to Harrogate and Harewood House on 4th July, and members, husbands and friends are welcome. Anyone wishing to go should contact Mrs. WILLIAMS (Pooley Bridge 278) by 29th June. The next waste paper collection is due, and members are asked to take it to the Ouward Bound School on Tuesday, 25th June. The next meeting, on 11th July, is folk music night with the Rev. Colin and Mrs. REID, Caldbeck. It will be an open meeting for all interested in folk music.The Needlework, judged by Miss FINCH-DAWSON, was won by 1 Mrs. HARGREAVES, 2 Mrs. WILLIAMS, 3 Mrs. CARRICK. The raffle prize, given by Mrs. CARRICK, was won by Mrs. IRELAND. Supper hostesses were Lady AINLEY, Mrs. CROSS and Mrs. MIDDLETON. WESTMORLAND FEDERATION Well over 100 members of the Westmorland Federation paid a visit to Haweswater last week and were taken through the dam and across the top of it by members of the staff of the Manchester Water Board. This was followed by a ride to the end of the lake which many had not visited before. Tea was served in Shap Memorial Hallby by members of Shap W.I., who also supplied guides to take members to visit Shap Abbey where the custodian took them round and answered questions. On both days the visitors saw the lovely country side surrounding the area in ideal conditions as the weather was warm and sunny. CALTHWAITE The June meeting was held in the School, Mrs. HETHERINGTON presiding. Members of Stoneraise Institute were welcomed as guests. Miss REID gave an interesting talk and showed samples of her work in all aspects of the crafts. She was thanked by Mrs. STEPHENSON. Mrs. LIDDELL gave her report on the annual meeting in London. The flower-arranging competition was won by Mrs. MALLINSON, 2 Mrs. CRANSTON. It was decided to send an entry to the Women's Institute tent at the Cumberland Show. The bus for Welton on 11th July will leave the crossroads at 6-50 p.m. After a buffet supper members and guests enjoyed the social time. Hostesses were Mesdames HARRIS, LIDDLE, OGLE and PLOWMAN. CLIBURN The President, Mrs. EGGLESTONE, introduced Mrs. WEIGHTMAN who demonstrated rug making and showed beautiful samples of her work. Mrs. EGGLESTONE thanked Mrs. WEIGHTMAN. Competition winners were 1 Mrs. EGGLESTONE, 2 Miss LANCASTER. Mrs. TAYLOR reported on the annual meeting in London. A dance for W.I. funds will be held in 12th July. Hostesses were Mrs. GELDART and Mrs. K. TAYLOR.

Hi, I am currently in USA meeting up with "cousins" I do have some Coulthards, but from memory query the Coulsons. When I get back to the UK will follow this up and if I find any info will let you have it Anne On 27 September 2010 18:54, WILLIAM D SAMPLE <wdsample@snet.net> wrote: > Hello, > First time on this site! > I am seeking any information on my great-great-great grandfather Joseph > Andrew > Coulson, b. 1800, m.18?? Mary Grace Hall (1797-1872), sailed from Liverpool > 1839 > for Canada. Settled on Prince Edward Island, near Long River, New London > area. > d. PEI after 1872. > I have a copy of a letter from a Jacob Coulson, posted at Maryport dated 3 > May > 1868 to Uncle Joseph Coulson at Long River. Jacob was a tailor's > apprentice to > Thomas Forscyth, Prospect at the time of this letter. There was also a > reference > to an "Uncle John" still in Cumberland. > Any help would be most appreciated! > Bill Sample > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, First time on this site! I am seeking any information on my great-great-great grandfather Joseph Andrew Coulson, b. 1800, m.18?? Mary Grace Hall (1797-1872), sailed from Liverpool 1839 for Canada. Settled on Prince Edward Island, near Long River, New London area. d. PEI after 1872. I have a copy of a letter from a Jacob Coulson, posted at Maryport dated 3 May 1868 to Uncle Joseph Coulson at Long River. Jacob was a tailor's apprentice to Thomas Forscyth, Prospect at the time of this letter. There was also a reference to an "Uncle John" still in Cumberland. Any help would be most appreciated! Bill Sample

I am looking for help to find the details of three marriages as one of them could lead me to identifying a great great uncle. The marriages are :- John Little married Jane Johnson 18th Sep 1833, St Cuthbert, Carlisle John Little married Jane Liddle 25th Dec 1833, St Cuthbert, Carlisle John Little married Jane Doby 22nd July 1832, Kirklinton. Many thanks, Ray, Wirral

Hello List, This is the first time I have joined your list. Trying to trace back parents of the following two people: William DAVIDSON b.18 May 1804 Scotch Church, Bewcastle His parents were Isaac DAVIDSON & Mary BALMOUR who were married 18 Apr. 1803 in Brampton. William died in Oct of 1856 and was buried in Stapelton Churchyard 13 Oct. 1856. Sarah PARKER b. 8 Feb. 1807 Castle Carrock Her parents were John PARKER & Elizabeth HODGSON who were married 19 Feb. 1795 in Nether Denton. Sarah was child # 6; the others being William, Ann, Mary, Elizabeth & John Sarah died in Manchester the 3 Sept. 1875 and was buried in Stapelton Churchyard the 7th of Sept. 1875. Hopefully someone will be able to shed some light on these families. Margaret Ontario, Canada

Hi Listers. I am interested in tracing the decendants of Alexander Walker born 1801 at Greysothern Cumberland ( 1841 census.) His daughter Elizabeth married James Penney in 1865. Their two daughters Jane age 12, and Elizabeth age 9 were living with Alexander per the 1871 census Grandmother Elizabeth was not there n nor their parents Servant Ann Foster servant age 23 was also with the family. I would like to contact decendants of this family please Pam Williams

I have added a new set of transcriptions of Edenhall documents on Chris' Rumbutter site. They are labelled as Set 4 and can be found in the Resources section on Rumbutter or directly at http://www.rumbutter.net/gen-cumb-res-edenhall-home/ . You will need to log in (or register if you have not previously done so). Rumbutter's home page is at http://www.rumbutter.net/ . Sorry about the missing Set 3, but that label is reserved for transcriptions of documents from a second box of Edenhall material that the seller acquired and is currently offering on eBay. Not all of those documents have appeared on eBay yet, so you'll have to be patient! I bought the remainder of the first box of Edenhall documents from the eBay seller, and I am slowly getting on with transcribing these original documents, which have never appeared on eBay. Set 4 consists of the first 5 bundles (from a total of about 60) which constitute the earliest documents, ranging from the 1640s to about 1720, with a few later ones thrown in - altogether about 120 documents. Quite a few of these documents are rental list with long lists of names. Unfortunately the Rumbutter tagging system can only cope with tagging 12 surnames per document, so this time there are 26 documents with the tag "Not fully indexed". If you want to be sure not to miss a particular surname, you are advised to look through these not fully indexed documents. You can also use the search engine of the Rumbutter site, but that will of course miss any aberrant spellings of the surname you are looking for. There is no .pdf document in the Downloads section this time as the transcriptions of the originals are ongoing. If anybody is desperate to have a particular document transcription in Word format, please contact me off list. For further explanations, see my email below which I sent in January when the first set of transcriptions went live. Let me know if you find a relative in these documents! Petra ----- Original Message ----- From: Petra Mitchinson To: Westmorland List ; Cumbria Mailing List ; Cumberland Mailing List ; CUL Google Group Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:09 PM Subject: [CUL GOOGLIES] Edenhall Document Transcriptions on Rumbutter In 2009, I saw that a dealer on eBay was selling original documents from the Edenhall estate in Cumbria. These were mainly bills and receipts predominantly from the 18th century, with a few documents from the late 17th century and some from the early 1800s. Most of these documents contain personal names, usually the name of the tradesman who had submitted the bill or signed the receipt in addition to the name of the agent or steward who had paid the bill on behalf of the MUSGRAVE family. Some documents contained whole lists of names. In addition to the obvious relevance to family historians, the documents as a group also give a fascinating insight into the lifestyle of the MUSGRAVE family and the expenses involved in running a large household. The MUSGRAVE baronets had their main seat at Edenhall in Cumberland, but they also held a lot of land in Westmorland (Hartley Castle had been their main seat until the mid-16th century) and in County Durham in the Bishop Auckland area. These documents predominantly refer to Cumberland and Westmorland, but there are a few County Durham documents included as well. It saddened me that a family archive like this was being irretrievably dispersed, and I decided to transcribe the documents still offered for sale from the excellent photographs the seller had provided on eBay. Unfortunately many of the documents had already been sold, and for those the photos were no longer available. My transcription document therefore only contains 183 documents (although some of them consist of several original documents, so the total is almost 200). This represents a small fraction of those in the Edenhall archives. I am extremely grateful to Chris Dickinson for spending an inordinate amount of time, effort and patience in helping me to put my transcriptions onto his Rumbutter site. They are now ready to view. To preserve the formatting of my transcriptions, the transcribed documents are displayed as images, and their text can therefore not be copied. However, you can download my whole transcription document as a pdf file and then copy the text of any transcribed document in which you are interested into your word processor. Rumbutter's search engine fully works for the documents as there is also a "plain" text version below each document which has no formatting but is searchable. The site's "Tag" system has also been used to create an index of standard surnames (e.g. the surnames STEPHENSON, STEVENSON, STIVENSON etc. all appear under the Tag STEPHENSON). The MUSGRAVE Baronets and their agents, who appear in very many documents, have been tagged by full name. Unfortunately the tag system only allows a maximum of 12 tags per document, and six documents contained more than 12 names - these documents were given the tag "Not fully indexed". The Category system has been used for an index of occupations and general locations, mainly counties but also some individual places (Edenhall, Hartley, Carlisle, Penrith, Kendal). My downloadable pdf document has an index of full names and an alphabetical index of place names, giving (as far as I could determine them) each location's parish, county and grid reference. It is worth reading the introduction as it explains the rules I followed when transcribing. And the second page of the introduction contains a list of the MUSGRAVE baronets for quick reference. To view the documents, go to the Resources section http://www.rumbutter.net/gen-cumb-resources-home/ and click on "Edenhall", or go straight to the Edenhall Homepage at http://www.rumbutter.net/gen-cumb-res-edenhall-home . You need to log in. If you have not yet registered with the site, you will need to do so - it is entirely free. There are other excellent resources on the Rumbutter site, it is well worth it. Have fun! Petra P. S.: There is more of this to come in the future...

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John BATY married Jane ATKINSON in Nov. 1833 at Warwick, Cumberland. they had 3 children Elizabeth b1834, John b1837 and Robert b1840. John and Robert both emigrated to N.Z. where they spent the rest of their lives. John's first job in N.Z. was as a foreman on Thomas LOWRY's farm at Tikokino. In the 1851 Census for Carlisle Elizabeth is employed as a nurse for Joseph LOWRY, Thomas's brother. Would welcome any information regarding Elizabeth or her parents. Avon in N.Z.

Hi Peter, Thank you once again. I have oredered the bishops transcripts for Whitehaven etc. Hope to " dig" up some clues there. If not send for moe others. Hve to keep the brain working after all. Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Freshwater" <peter@hillfoot.demon.co.uk> To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Gretna Green Marriages > Hi Pam and Petra > > Equally, the couple may not have wanted to go through the rigmarole of > having the Banns read out in church or of having to obtain a special > licence, and have found it easier simply to pop across the Border to get > married. Lucky Cumberland to have that facility on the doorstep. > Northumberland had one too: the marriage cottage still stands at the > Scottish end of the Tweed Bridge into Coldstream. > > All best > > Peter > > > Peter B Freshwater, MA, DipLib, FSA Scot > 43 Corstorphine Road, Edinburgh EH12 5QQ, Scotland > Tel: 0044 (0)131 337 7049 > Email: peter@hillfoot.demon.co.uk > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Petra Mitchinson" <Petra.Mitchinson@doctors.org.uk> > To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 8:14 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Gretna Green Marriages > > >> Hi Pam, >> >> An awful lot of Cumbrian brides were pregnant, or had already had a baby, >> and that was no obstacle to getting married in church. Neither was being >> illegitimate yourself. >> >> They may have decided to go to Gretna because their respective families >> did not approve of the marriage. At their age, their respective parents >> had no right to forbid the marriage, but they could have still exerted >> pressure. If the couple went to Gretna without their parents' knowledge >> and then came back with the certificate, then the parents could not do >> anything about it. >> >> Some Cumbrian couples later married again in their local church - I have >> seen marriage certificates where in the column that usually contains >> "Bachelor" and "Spinster" it said: "Previously married in Gretna". >> >> Petra >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:30:34 +1000 >>> From: "brian williams" <bwilliams1b@optusnet.com.au> >>> Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Gretna Green Marriages >>> >>> Hi Peter. >>> >>> another puzzle to solve ( still about the same couple ) >>> >>> My great great grandparents were married at Gretna Green in July 1847. >>> Both stated they were from the Parish of Aspatria , the groom aged 27 >>> the >>> bride aged 23. >>> >>> the bride was 3 or 4mths pregnant and records show she may have been >>> illegitimate. >>> >>> Would either of the above preclude the couple marrying in a Church in >>> Cumberland ??? >>> >>> Pam Willimas >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 100513-1, 13/05/2010 > Tested on: 5/15/2010 3:40:44 PM > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > >

Thanks Petra. Much appreciated. Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petra Mitchinson" <Petra.Mitchinson@doctors.org.uk> To: <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Gretna Green Marriages > Hi Pam, > > An awful lot of Cumbrian brides were pregnant, or had already had a baby, > and that was no obstacle to getting married in church. Neither was being > illegitimate yourself. > > They may have decided to go to Gretna because their respective families > did not approve of the marriage. At their age, their respective parents > had no right to forbid the marriage, but they could have still exerted > pressure. If the couple went to Gretna without their parents' knowledge > and then came back with the certificate, then the parents could not do > anything about it. > > Some Cumbrian couples later married again in their local church - I have > seen marriage certificates where in the column that usually contains > "Bachelor" and "Spinster" it said: "Previously married in Gretna". > > Petra > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:30:34 +1000 >> From: "brian williams" <bwilliams1b@optusnet.com.au> >> Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Gretna Green Marriages >> >> Hi Peter. >> >> another puzzle to solve ( still about the same couple ) >> >> My great great grandparents were married at Gretna Green in July 1847. >> Both stated they were from the Parish of Aspatria , the groom aged 27 the >> bride aged 23. >> >> the bride was 3 or 4mths pregnant and records show she may have been >> illegitimate. >> >> Would either of the above preclude the couple marrying in a Church in >> Cumberland ??? >> >> Pam Willimas > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 100513-1, 13/05/2010 > Tested on: 5/15/2010 3:40:43 PM > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > >