I haven't seen this particular film Nancy, but it is possible the man was a Sawyer, not a Lawyer. I know there were times when an "S" could be mistakenly taken to be an "L". Cheers.......Joan > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 20:57:00 -0600 > From: "Nancy Prescott" <njp33@att.net> > Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] multiple births > To: <eng-cul-carlisle@rootsweb.com>, "ENG-Cumbria" > <ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <A57F5ED3935445B49E02FA5F7300E72A@NancyPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > One set of quads was born on Friday the 13th of 1813 to a lawyer. You > would > think he would have his kids baptised on time?? nancy > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-CUMBRIA list administrator, send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ENG-CUMBRIA mailing list, send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-CUMBRIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 4 > *****************************************

Hi Petra & Everyone, Government registration of births, marriages and deaths in Ireland began January 1, 1864. Registration of marriages for non-Roman Catholics began in 1845. Information on births, marriages and deaths in Northern Ireland from 1922 to the present day can be found under Northern Ireland Vital Records. ( got this from Google) Leonie. -----Original Message----- From: eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Petra Mitchinson Sent: Sunday, 5 February 2012 4:07 AM To: eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Can't find birth Well, under the circumstances, if he can't be found in the GRO indexes, he may well have been born in Ireland - particularly as the census record says so! Not sure when Irish civil registration started? Petra

It actually had "attorney". -----Original Message----- From: Joan Gallagher Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:04 PM To: eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] ENG-CUMBRIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 4 I haven't seen this particular film Nancy, but it is possible the man was a Sawyer, not a Lawyer. I know there were times when an "S" could be mistakenly taken to be an "L". Cheers.......Joan > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 20:57:00 -0600 > From: "Nancy Prescott" <njp33@att.net> > Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] multiple births > To: <eng-cul-carlisle@rootsweb.com>, "ENG-Cumbria" > <ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <A57F5ED3935445B49E02FA5F7300E72A@NancyPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > One set of quads was born on Friday the 13th of 1813 to a lawyer. You > would > think he would have his kids baptised on time?? nancy > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-CUMBRIA list administrator, send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ENG-CUMBRIA mailing list, send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-CUMBRIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 4 > ***************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well, under the circumstances, if he can't be found in the GRO indexes, he may well have been born in Ireland - particularly as the census record says so! Not sure when Irish civil registration started? Petra -----Original Message----- Petra, I have found only ONE baptismal record for three children in 1845. The children's birthdates are listed but no place of birth is listed. According to US census records, my great great grandfather was born in Ireland to English parents. The baptismal record states that he was born in 1839, so it is possible that both records are correct. Unfortunately, we can find no record in the GRO for any of the children. I find no record at the baptismal parish or at its predecessor for a marriage of the parents. Lastly, they are not listed as a family unit in any English Census record that we can find. I have been searching variants. It appears that this family went back and forth from Ireland to England as itinerate workers, so to speak. The father's profession was given as a "watch finisher" which means he probably worked from home. I think I did find a possible mention, in 1858 in the British Newspaper Archive for my ancestor working in Belfast, but no sign of family in any online record from that area. The first time my ancestor left Ireland for the US was in 1867. He somehow returned to England briefly after 1870 and left again in1872 with a family friend (or possible family member) from Wolverhampton. Frankly, at this point, nothing would surprise me. I am stuck. Any thoughts? Bev W.

Nancy has kindly sent me images of the following sets of multiple baptisms: 06 Aug 1816 William, Joseph, John and Isabella, children of William (deceased) and Dinah STORY of Workington, Shoemaker. Minister: Anth J...... I couldn't see it stated anywhere when the father had died. 24 Nov 1816 William, Phebe and Robert, children of William & Rebecca JACKSON of Workington, Watchmaker. Minister: Anth. J. DAY.... 28 Oct 1816 Agnes, Margaret and David, children of David & Eleanor POTTER of Workington, Mariner. Minister: Ant. J...... 17 Dec 1817 Sarah, and 20 Dec 1817 William, both children of Alexander and Jane WILKINSON of Workington, Miner. Minister: Jona..... 26 Dec 1817 Elizabeth, daughter of Japhet and Mary FLETCHER of Workington. Occupation column: Adult, School Mistress. Minister: Pe....... 26 Dec 1817 Mary, daughter of Japhet and Mary FLETCHER of Workington. Occupation column: Adult, Spinster. Minister: Pe..... And also: Burials 1817: 30 Oct Thomas, 02 Nov Mary and Nancy, all children of John HOLDEN, Mariner of Workington, all 2 weeks old. My comments: For the first three sets of multiple baptisms, there is no indication whether these were multiplets or siblings of different ages. The two children baptised 3 days apart - I should have thought that if they had been twins, the parents would have had them baptised on the same day. A more likely scenario is that Sarah was ill and had an emergency baptism, and the other child was done in church the following Sunday (although I don't know what weekday the 20 Dec 1817 was). The FLETCHERs were adult baptisms of two sisters, so there is absolutely no need for them to be twins (although the could be) - but they would have been born many years before 1817. As far as the burials go, these were indisputably triplets as they all had the same age! Nancy, you didn't give us a baptism for them - perhaps they never made it to baptism? Nancy, seeing whether the vicar was a new broom who was sweeping well will add to circumstantial evidence but will not be absolute proof. Equally, there could have been some religious event in town which converted some people who previously had not bothered with attending church back into practising Christians. Checking the local papers or some history book to see whether an epidemic was sweeping Workington in 1816/17 which may have prompted parents into getting their children baptised may be worth while but also would only add circumstantial evidence. Multiplets can still be born in times of epidemics! Now, is anyone going to try and find some of these baptisees in later censuses? Probably not much good for the girls who may well have been married by 1851 (1841 is not much good as the ages were rounded down and therefore not accurate). David POTTER may be worth a look to see whether he was born significantly earlier than 1816. The other surnames are fairly common so this may prove difficult. Petra

Right, as this subject is getting so much interest at the moment on these lists, I thought I'll put together all the points I can think of on the subject. No doubt others will have more ideas! 1. What you find in the baptism register. - If the priest writes twin, triplet etc., then you can be sure it was a multiple birth. - If the priest writes down the ages or birth dates of older children, then you know you have baptisms of siblings of different ages. - If the priest does not write anything other than the usual details, then you can't draw any definite conclusions. - However, there may be circumstantial evidence; e.g. this priests usually writes down the ages of older children baptised but in this case has not given any ages - then a multiple birth is a likely possibility; or he usually wrote "twins" against twin baptisms but hasn't on this occasion, then a baptism of siblings of different ages is more likely. - A sudden "outbreak" of multiple baptism is likely to be due to other reasons than a sudden rise in multiple births. 2. Reasons why parents neglected to have their children baptised shortly after birth. - They had non-conformist leanings (particularly Quaker) and therefore did not believe in the baptisms of babies. - They moved around a lot and didn't feel at home in any of the parishes they spent time in. - They did not like the parish priest. - The parish was without an incumbent for some time. - They weren't particularly religious and found it too much bother. - The family lived very far from the parish church. 3. Reasons why families suddenly decided to have all (or several of) their previously unbaptised children baptised. - One or several fell ill or an infectious epidemic (measles, diphtheria, cholera...) was making the rounds and they did not want to risk their children dying unbaptised and having to be buried in unconsecrated ground. (This may also explain why several children died shortly after the baptism, even if they were not premature multiplets.) - A new parish priest started who rounded up families with unbaptised children and put pressure on them to have the children baptised. In this case, you would expect a general rise in multiple baptisms. - Religious revival in a parish, or a previously uninterested or non-conformist family returning to the fold of the C of E. - The family needed parish support and wanted to appear committed to the church. - A previously very mobile family settled down in a parish. 4. How to work out whether it was a multiple birth or a multiple baptism of siblings of different ages. - Find the family group in a later census and check the ages of the children. - If the baptism in question is too long before the beginning of the census so the children are now adults, try to find individual children in the censuses and check their ages against the date of baptism (not fool proof as ages in censuses are not always reliable). - If the question is whether it was a multiple birth of three or more children, look at the birth notifications in the local paper. Even though the births of children in ordinary families were not usually reported, births of triplets and quads usually got a mention because they were so rare. - If the parish is on the IGI, search for the marriage of the parents and the baptisms of all their children. If there were no baptisms for eight years after the marriage and then they had four children baptised in one go, you would strongly suspect that these were children of different ages. (You can also do this by reading through the parish registers but that is much harder work!) - After 1837, check on FreeBMD whether this was a multiple birth, i.e. children all born in same quarter with same page number (or adjoining page numbers). Feel free to add to my thoughts! Petra

Here is another person who thought they found a lot of multiple births from the LDS films. nancy http://old.sswda.org/Archives/England/english_mbirths.html

I'll go back & get the vicar's name & then I have ordered the prior film to see how long he was there. nancy -----Original Message----- From: Petra Mitchinson Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:27 AM To: eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com Cc: eng-cul-carlisle@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Multiple births vs. multiple baptisms Right, as this subject is getting so much interest at the moment on these lists, I thought I'll put together all the points I can think of on the subject. No doubt others will have more ideas! 1. What you find in the baptism register. - If the priest writes twin, triplet etc., then you can be sure it was a multiple birth. - If the priest writes down the ages or birth dates of older children, then you know you have baptisms of siblings of different ages. - If the priest does not write anything other than the usual details, then you can't draw any definite conclusions. - However, there may be circumstantial evidence; e.g. this priests usually writes down the ages of older children baptised but in this case has not given any ages - then a multiple birth is a likely possibility; or he usually wrote "twins" against twin baptisms but hasn't on this occasion, then a baptism of siblings of different ages is more likely. - A sudden "outbreak" of multiple baptism is likely to be due to other reasons than a sudden rise in multiple births. 2. Reasons why parents neglected to have their children baptised shortly after birth. - They had non-conformist leanings (particularly Quaker) and therefore did not believe in the baptisms of babies. - They moved around a lot and didn't feel at home in any of the parishes they spent time in. - They did not like the parish priest. - The parish was without an incumbent for some time. - They weren't particularly religious and found it too much bother. - The family lived very far from the parish church. 3. Reasons why families suddenly decided to have all (or several of) their previously unbaptised children baptised. - One or several fell ill or an infectious epidemic (measles, diphtheria, cholera...) was making the rounds and they did not want to risk their children dying unbaptised and having to be buried in unconsecrated ground. (This may also explain why several children died shortly after the baptism, even if they were not premature multiplets.) - A new parish priest started who rounded up families with unbaptised children and put pressure on them to have the children baptised. In this case, you would expect a general rise in multiple baptisms. - Religious revival in a parish, or a previously uninterested or non-conformist family returning to the fold of the C of E. - The family needed parish support and wanted to appear committed to the church. - A previously very mobile family settled down in a parish. 4. How to work out whether it was a multiple birth or a multiple baptism of siblings of different ages. - Find the family group in a later census and check the ages of the children. - If the baptism in question is too long before the beginning of the census so the children are now adults, try to find individual children in the censuses and check their ages against the date of baptism (not fool proof as ages in censuses are not always reliable). - If the question is whether it was a multiple birth of three or more children, look at the birth notifications in the local paper. Even though the births of children in ordinary families were not usually reported, births of triplets and quads usually got a mention because they were so rare. - If the parish is on the IGI, search for the marriage of the parents and the baptisms of all their children. If there were no baptisms for eight years after the marriage and then they had four children baptised in one go, you would strongly suspect that these were children of different ages. (You can also do this by reading through the parish registers but that is much harder work!) - After 1837, check on FreeBMD whether this was a multiple birth, i.e. children all born in same quarter with same page number (or adjoining page numbers). Feel free to add to my thoughts! Petra ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When I go back next week, I will get the name of the vicar and see how long he was there. I did order the previous film but that will take a couple of weeks. Then we'll know if he was new to the parish & that should answer these questions. nancy -----Original Message----- From: user917826@aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:54 AM To: eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Multiple births vs. multiple baptisms Petra, I have found only ONE baptismal record for three children in 1845. The children's birthdates are listed but no place of birth is listed. According to US census records, my great great grandfather was born in Ireland to English parents. The baptismal record states that he was born in 1839, so it is possible that both records are correct. Unfortunately, we can find no record in the GRO for any of the children. I find no record at the baptismal parish or at its predecessor for a marriage of the parents. Lastly, they are not listed as a family unit in any English Census record that we can find. I have been searching variants. It appears that this family went back and forth from Ireland to England as itinerate workers, so to speak. The father's profession was given as a "watch finisher" which means he probably worked from home. I think I did find a possible mention, in 1858 in the British Newspaper Archive for my ancestor working in Belfast, but no sign of family in any online record from that area. The first time my ancestor left Ireland for the US was in 1867. He somehow returned to England briefly after 1870 and left again in1872 with a family friend (or possible family member) from Wolverhampton. Frankly, at this point, nothing would surprise me. I am stuck. Any thoughts? Bev W. -----Original Message----- From: Petra Mitchinson <Petra.Mitchinson@doctors.org.uk> To: eng-cumbria <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Cc: eng-cul-carlisle <eng-cul-carlisle@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Feb 4, 2012 4:30 am Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Multiple births vs. multiple baptisms Right, as this subject is getting so much interest at the moment on these lists, I thought I'll put together all the points I can think of on the subject. No doubt others will have more ideas!1. What you find in the baptism register.- If the priest writes twin, triplet etc., then you can be sure it was a multiple birth.- If the priest writes down the ages or birth dates of older children, then you know you have baptisms of siblings of different ages.- If the priest does not write anything other than the usual details, then you can't draw any definite conclusions. - However, there may be circumstantial evidence; e.g. this priests usually writes down the ages of older children baptised but in this case has not given any ages - then a multiple birth is a likely possibility; or he usually wrote "twins" against twin baptisms but hasn't on this occasion, then a baptism of siblings of different ages is more likely.- A sudden "outbreak" of multiple baptism is likely to be due to other reasons than a sudden rise in multiple births.2. Reasons why parents neglected to have their children baptised shortly after birth.- They had non-conformist leanings (particularly Quaker) and therefore did not believe in the baptisms of babies.- They moved around a lot and didn't feel at home in any of the parishes they spent time in.- They did not like the parish priest.- The parish was without an incumbent for some time.- They weren't particularly religious and found it too much bother. - The family lived very far from the parish church.3. Reasons why families suddenly decided to have all (or several of) their previously unbaptised children baptised.- One or several fell ill or an infectious epidemic (measles, diphtheria, cholera...) was making the rounds and they did not want to risk their children dying unbaptised and having to be buried in unconsecrated ground. (This may also explain why several children died shortly after the baptism, even if they were not premature multiplets.)- A new parish priest started who rounded up families with unbaptised children and put pressure on them to have the children baptised. In this case, you would expect a general rise in multiple baptisms.- Religious revival in a parish, or a previously uninterested or non-conformist family returning to the fold of the C of E.- The family needed parish support and wanted to appear committed to the church.- A previously very mobile family settled down in a parish.4. How to work out whether it was a multiple birth or a multiple baptism of siblings of different ages.- Find the family group in a later census and check the ages of the children.- If the baptism in question is too long before the beginning of the census so the children are now adults, try to find individual children in the censuses and check their ages against the date of baptism (not fool proof as ages in censuses are not always reliable).- If the question is whether it was a multiple birth of three or more children, look at the birth notifications in the local paper. Even though the births of children in ordinary families were not usually reported, births of triplets and quads usually got a mention because they were so rare.- If the parish is on the IGI, search for the marriage of the parents and the baptisms of all their children. If there were no baptisms for eight years after the marriage and then they had four children baptised in one go, you would strongly suspect that these were children of different ages. (You can also do this by reading through the parish registers but that is much harder work!)- After 1837, check on FreeBMD whether this was a multiple birth, i.e. children all born in same quarter with same page number (or adjoining page numbers).Feel free to add to my thoughts!Petra -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Petra, I have found only ONE baptismal record for three children in 1845. The children's birthdates are listed but no place of birth is listed. According to US census records, my great great grandfather was born in Ireland to English parents. The baptismal record states that he was born in 1839, so it is possible that both records are correct. Unfortunately, we can find no record in the GRO for any of the children. I find no record at the baptismal parish or at its predecessor for a marriage of the parents. Lastly, they are not listed as a family unit in any English Census record that we can find. I have been searching variants. It appears that this family went back and forth from Ireland to England as itinerate workers, so to speak. The father's profession was given as a "watch finisher" which means he probably worked from home. I think I did find a possible mention, in 1858 in the British Newspaper Archive for my ancestor working in Belfast, but no sign of family in any online record from that area. The first time my ancestor left Ireland for the US was in 1867. He somehow returned to England briefly after 1870 and left again in1872 with a family friend (or possible family member) from Wolverhampton. Frankly, at this point, nothing would surprise me. I am stuck. Any thoughts? Bev W. -----Original Message----- From: Petra Mitchinson <Petra.Mitchinson@doctors.org.uk> To: eng-cumbria <eng-cumbria@rootsweb.com> Cc: eng-cul-carlisle <eng-cul-carlisle@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Feb 4, 2012 4:30 am Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Multiple births vs. multiple baptisms Right, as this subject is getting so much interest at the moment on these lists, I thought I'll put together all the points I can think of on the subject. No doubt others will have more ideas!1. What you find in the baptism register.- If the priest writes twin, triplet etc., then you can be sure it was a multiple birth.- If the priest writes down the ages or birth dates of older children, then you know you have baptisms of siblings of different ages.- If the priest does not write anything other than the usual details, then you can't draw any definite conclusions. - However, there may be circumstantial evidence; e.g. this priests usually writes down the ages of older children baptised but in this case has not given any ages - then a multiple birth is a likely possibility; or he usually wrote "twins" against twin baptisms but hasn't on this occasion, then a baptism of siblings of different ages is more likely.- A sudden "outbreak" of multiple baptism is likely to be due to other reasons than a sudden rise in multiple births.2. Reasons why parents neglected to have their children baptised shortly after birth.- They had non-conformist leanings (particularly Quaker) and therefore did not believe in the baptisms of babies.- They moved around a lot and didn't feel at home in any of the parishes they spent time in.- They did not like the parish priest.- The parish was without an incumbent for some time.- They weren't particularly religious and found it too much bother. - The family lived very far from the parish church.3. Reasons why families suddenly decided to have all (or several of) their previously unbaptised children baptised.- One or several fell ill or an infectious epidemic (measles, diphtheria, cholera...) was making the rounds and they did not want to risk their children dying unbaptised and having to be buried in unconsecrated ground. (This may also explain why several children died shortly after the baptism, even if they were not premature multiplets.)- A new parish priest started who rounded up families with unbaptised children and put pressure on them to have the children baptised. In this case, you would expect a general rise in multiple baptisms.- Religious revival in a parish, or a previously uninterested or non-conformist family returning to the fold of the C of E.- The family needed parish support and wanted to appear committed to the church.- A previously very mobile family settled down in a parish.4. How to work out whether it was a multiple birth or a multiple baptism of siblings of different ages.- Find the family group in a later census and check the ages of the children.- If the baptism in question is too long before the beginning of the census so the children are now adults, try to find individual children in the censuses and check their ages against the date of baptism (not fool proof as ages in censuses are not always reliable).- If the question is whether it was a multiple birth of three or more children, look at the birth notifications in the local paper. Even though the births of children in ordinary families were not usually reported, births of triplets and quads usually got a mention because they were so rare.- If the parish is on the IGI, search for the marriage of the parents and the baptisms of all their children. If there were no baptisms for eight years after the marriage and then they had four children baptised in one go, you would strongly suspect that these were children of different ages. (You can also do this by reading through the parish registers but that is much harder work!)- After 1837, check on FreeBMD whether this was a multiple birth, i.e. children all born in same quarter with same page number (or adjoining page numbers).Feel free to add to my thoughts!Petra -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Does anyone know if there are plans to put Parish records from Cumbria on one of the online sites ...Find My Past, Ancestry, Familysearch? Thanks, Bev W -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Prescott <njp33@att.net> To: eng-cul-carlisle <eng-cul-carlisle@rootsweb.com>; ENG-Cumbria <ENG-CUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:05 pm Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] multiple births One set of quads was born on Friday the 13th of 1813 to a lawyer. You would think he would have his kids baptised on time?? nancy -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

One set of quads was born on Friday the 13th of 1813 to a lawyer. You would think he would have his kids baptised on time?? nancy

Hi Nancy, Can't help you with Allerby Hall but regarding the alleged sets of twins, triplets and quads I don't think all is as it seems. Does it explicitly state in the register entries these children were twins etc.? What I think happened was that an enthusiastic clergyman rounded up families who had neglected to have their children baptised in the past, and baptised several children in each family in one go. He should have written down the ages or birth dates for the older children, but not every priest bothered to do this. So my suspicion is that these were sets of siblings of different ages, not triplets or quads - although of course there may have been an occasional set of twins! But of course I haven't seen the registers, so can't be sure. Petra ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 15:07:16 -0600 > From: "Nancy Prescott" <njp33@att.net> > Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Allerby Hall-1822 > > Does anyone have any info on Allerby Hall, especially a photograph would be > nice. I had a relative who worked there back in 1822, she became pregnant > and sued a man over it & was awarded ?40, she had twins. I don't know if > anyone has noticed this, but upon reviewing the LDS film for Workington, > there are so many sets of twins, tripplettes & quads, almost to being > unbelievable. Has anyone info on these multiple births and Allerby Hall. > nancy

Dear Nancy Here are a few pieces about the Hall but I'm sorry I can't find a picture: http://www.visitoruk.com/historydetail.php?id=21567&cid=592&f=Workington mary@mtwentyman.freeserve.co.uk Mary Twentyman was researching the hall in 2000 on the Cumberland list. You can also find it on multimap http://www.cultrans.com/west-cumberland-times/12-june-1895/4791-crosby-villa -sabbath-school has a nice piece about it from 1895 With best wishes Glenys Guild of One Name Studies No 3797 www.cumpston.org.uk Blog: http://cumpstonresearch.wordpress.com Searching for CUMPSTON, CUMPSON, CUMSON, COMPSTON, COMPSON everywhere "More is missed by not looking than by not knowing" [Thomas McCrae,1870-1935] -----Original Message----- From: eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Prescott Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:07 PM To: eng-cul-carlisle@rootsweb.com; ENG-Cumbria Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Allerby Hall-1822 Does anyone have any info on Allerby Hall, especially a photograph would be nice. I had a relative who worked there back in 1822, she became pregnant and sued a man over it & was awarded £40, she had twins. I don't know if anyone has noticed this, but upon reviewing the LDS film for Workington, there are so many sets of twins, tripplettes & quads, almost to being unbelievable. Has anyone info on these multiple births and Allerby Hall. nancy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4781 - Release Date: 02/02/12 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4781 - Release Date: 02/02/12

Does anyone have any info on Allerby Hall, especially a photograph would be nice. I had a relative who worked there back in 1822, she became pregnant and sued a man over it & was awarded £40, she had twins. I don't know if anyone has noticed this, but upon reviewing the LDS film for Workington, there are so many sets of twins, tripplettes & quads, almost to being unbelievable. Has anyone info on these multiple births and Allerby Hall. nancy

Dear David I can see from various rootsweb archives that you have been tracking down this family for some time now so here come some thoughts. I'm the regional rep for the Guild of One Name Studies for Cumbria and this would make a brilliant One Name Study. Have you thought about registering it? I have had huge success with my own ancestors by researching in this way and there are such a lot of other LEWTHWAITE researchers out there who could all collaborate with you. Let me know if you want to know more or check out http://www.one-name.org/cgi-bin/searchrequest.cgi for more about the Guild. I wonder if it is worth talking direct to Lady Lewthwaite? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/enjoyengland/article-1216649/Lady-Lewthwai te-How-I-spend-time-Cumbria.html There are a number of LEWTHWAITE researchers on rootsweb archives who may be able to help http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,171024.0.html adrianpp@hotmail.com Adrian Pearson has a Westmorland website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~anderton/research/lewthwai te.html http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/cumbriafamily/peoplepages/lewthwaite.htm has a huge tree on line with LEWTHWAITEs in it. http://www.gravestonephotos.com/public/findfamily.php?name=LEWTHWAITE has a photo of a gravestone for a 2 year old at Kirkbymoorside Yorks - might be worth checking out. I hope this helps! With best wishes Glenys Guild of One Name Studies No 3797 www.cumpston.org.uk Blog: http://cumpstonresearch.wordpress.com Searching for CUMPSTON, CUMPSON, CUMSON, COMPSTON, COMPSON everywhere "More is missed by not looking than by not knowing" [Thomas McCrae,1870-1935] -----Original Message----- From: eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-cumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Henwood Family Tree Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 7:50 PM To: cumberland@rootsweb.com Cc: eng-Cumbria@rootsweb.com; eng-Cul-copeland@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-CUMBRIA] Lewthwaite - near Whitehaven I post this once a year in case anyone new on the list can help me with my oldest "Brickwall". My ancestor John LEWTHWAITE was born in Cumberland circa 1753. He was press-ganged at Whitehaven in the 1770's and married a Devon girl, Catherine THOMAS, at Stoke Damerel on 28/01/1781 and had a son William Thomas circa 1787. I have no other information about him, his wife or any other issue. Then there is the family story about John's grandson, William Thomas LEWTHWAITE (1827-1903). He was an orphan - his parents died in a cholera epidemic in the 1830's. He worked in Devonport Dockyard and in the early 1840's some rich relatives came looking for him. He felt he was too scruffily dressed and went and hid himself. The visitors went away. Were the visitors members of the influential Millom branch of Lewthwaite?? Could John have been the product of an illicit relationship between a LEWTHWAITE and some servant?? It is unlikely BUT!!! Have you any information that might help me? David Lewthwaite Henwood ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4732 - Release Date: 01/09/12 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4732 - Release Date: 01/09/12

I post this once a year in case anyone new on the list can help me with my oldest "Brickwall". My ancestor John LEWTHWAITE was born in Cumberland circa 1753. He was press-ganged at Whitehaven in the 1770's and married a Devon girl, Catherine THOMAS, at Stoke Damerel on 28/01/1781 and had a son William Thomas circa 1787. I have no other information about him, his wife or any other issue. Then there is the family story about John's grandson, William Thomas LEWTHWAITE (1827-1903). He was an orphan - his parents died in a cholera epidemic in the 1830's. He worked in Devonport Dockyard and in the early 1840's some rich relatives came looking for him. He felt he was too scruffily dressed and went and hid himself. The visitors went away. Were the visitors members of the influential Millom branch of Lewthwaite?? Could John have been the product of an illicit relationship between a LEWTHWAITE and some servant?? It is unlikely BUT!!! Have you any information that might help me? David Lewthwaite Henwood

Has anyone ever heard of Lockhurst at/near Coat-hill, cmberland, england, year is 1800 or earlier. I have Isaac Pescod yeoman of Lockhurst at Coathill. Nancy

Hi everyone I believe Thomas Connor, b. in Whitehaven c. 1867 is my wife's grandfather. Unfortunately after the birth this individual goes missing until 1901. By 1901, he is employed as a sailor and has married Mary Anne Clarke. I have searched for the marriage both in Ireland and England and failed. In 1901 there are 4 children, Mary Frances b. 1892 in Drogheda Ireland, 1897 Ireland. Emil b.1899 in Liverpool and finally Anne believed to be known as Nancy b. 1901 in Liverpool. I am unable to find them in the 1911 census in Ireland, and have not checked the 1911 in the UK. Any snippet regarding Thomas appreciated. I speculate from the knowledge I have that Thomas plied his trade on ships between Ireland and Liverpool. Only a guess really. Barry in a gale smitten West Cork.

In addition to my last post ..... I've just looked at some extracts I made years ago from the Quaker registers of Dublin (I noted down a few names of people with Cumberland origins). A couple of Bells. Births Book 3 Page 31  Thomas BELL, 1651, Brigham, Cumberland, John and Anne Marriages Book 3 Page 31 1672-7-22 Thomas BELL, Dublin, John and Anne Bell of Brigham, Cumberland to Mary WILSON of Cumberland Book 2? Page 6 1736-2-27 Rebecca BELL, born at Keswick, Daniel and Ruth Bell of Cumberland to Samuel SHARPLEY, Wicklow It sounds unlikely that a Quaker family would move over to Catholicism, but you never know. Chris