Hi All You know how it is! You are in the middle of photcopying at your local LDS, someone asks to use the microfilm printer, you rewind the film, drop all your notes, get stuck into a conversation; and completely fail to note down what you've just photocopied! Well, that's my excuse anyway. In my Odds & Ends file, I have the second page of a 1672 will - and I have no idea where it comes from. The signature looks like ..ayson [Grayson?]. There are some possibilities in Ramsden's Copeland Wills. Anyway, and entirely by coincidence, the subject of Brownrigg and Tubman has come up on the Cumbria Rootsweb message board; and that's just what this will deals with. The will mentions a cousin William Tubman of Bootle; and a cousin John Tubman of moore end; and a cousin Edward Tubman of Ravenglass. It also mentions 'my brother Gawin Brownrigg', 'my nephew George Brownrigg', 'my ...... [photocopy too faint to read safely ... uncle Pearson?] Tubman'. It also appoints as executor 'my Cousin Richard Tubman of Tallentyre'. This is why I noticed the will - this is possibly the Richard Tubman of Muncaster, milner, who married my great-etc-aunt Elizabeth Dickinson of Streetgate Lamplugh in 1656. I've always assumed that they were the same Richard but I've just realised that I have no proof and haven't done some elementary checking to verify the connection! The identification would rest on the following: Richard Tubman had, among others in the Bridekirk registers, children Robert and Edward (possibly the Edward above?). Robert Tubman, mercer, of Cockermouth married Frances Lamplugh, daughter of the rector of Lamplugh. Elizabeth Dickinson's father, William, was Steward to John Lamplugh of Lamplugh Hall, Frances' uncle. If this is a Grayson will, then that would be all part of the same kinship group. Elizabeth's niece, Faith Dickinson, married John Hamilton of Whitehaven; and the Hamiltons and Graysons were closely related. Plenty of other Whitehaven/Cockermouth names come into this steamy little package - NICHOLSON, BRAITHWAITE, GALE, TOWERSON, IRTON, CHRISTIAN, FLETCHER, to name a few. So ... anyone care to throw some tidbits (oops, that's an Americanism - should have written 'titbit') into the stew? Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net