Hello list, I am looking for a kind soul who might give me some help. I thought I would try this list for a change as opposed to the cumberland list. A kind lady on the Cumberland list found this for me: ROBERT PERIE. born 23.10.1766, St Nicholas, Whitehaven, Cumberland. Son of Mary Perie Does anyone have access to the parish records from St Nicholas and perhaps look this entry up to see what other information might be had. It doesnt sound as if the father was put in the record. Any help greatly appreciated. Thank you Carol/NZ

Hi Carol........ I looked and I still have my emails when I looked once before for you in the St. Nicholas parish records. I couldn't find anything on him then, but did someone else find something? As Chris says, there is not a lot of info in the old parish records. For my brick wall, I just have a name and date for his burial. No birth that I can find. But it would have been nice if they gave 'next of kin' or age or something. Let me know if you want another lookup.......I will be going back next Wednesday. And I do have that parish film on indefinite loan. Cheers.....Heather (was I the 'kind lady from another list'???) Grin. Don't think so, as I couldn't find any more info for you. > Hello list, > > I am looking for a kind soul who might give me some help. I thought I would > try this list for a change as opposed to the cumberland list. A kind lady on > the Cumberland list found this for me: > > ROBERT PERIE. born 23.10.1766, St Nicholas, Whitehaven, Cumberland. Son of > Mary Perie > > Does anyone have access to the parish records from St Nicholas and perhaps > look this entry up to see what other information might be had. It doesnt > sound as if the father was put in the record. Any help greatly appreciated. > Thank you > > Carol/NZ > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Carol Orr writes: <snip> >I am looking for a kind soul who might give me some help. I thought I would try this list for a change as opposed to the cumberland list. Thank you >A kind lady on the Cumberland list found this for me: >ROBERT PERIE. born 23.10.1766, St Nicholas, Whitehaven, Cumberland. Son of Mary Perie >Does anyone have access to the parish records from St Nicholas and perhaps look this entry up to see what other information might be had. It doesnt sound as if the father was put in the record. Any help greatly appreciated. The Whitehaven and St Bees records aren't wonderful. There tend to be very few extra details. These records have been published and one of our subscribers, at least, has a copy, but she won't be around for another couple of weeks at least. I can do a look up the nest time I'm at the SOG in London, possibly on Friday but maybe not till later. You've probably considered these options already, but just some thoughts ... The entry sounds as though Robert was illegitimate and that Perie was Mary's maiden name. There are Mary Perry IGI baptisms in Cockermouth and Workington that would fit the bill, but I couldn't see anything for Whitehaven. That Robert was illegitimate would seem likely as Mary Perie would appear to have had another fatherless child in 1759 (Betty). So one possibility is that she was, ahem, providing intimate services for the sailors of the town, and made a couple of mistakes. Another alternative is that Mary was a widow, her husband having just died. Such posthumous births often just list the mother's name. So looking at the burial register for that year might give you the husband's name, if you are lucky. Of course, he may well have been a sailor that died at sea. There is a John Peary who married Mary Burges in 1751; but I can't see any other baptisms with these listed as parents. Another possibility is that the child was illegitimate but she married the father later. Worth looking at later marriages. I don't like to say this, but I strongly suspect that you are going to come to a dead end on the father here. I think it's likely to be the 'couple of mistakes' scenario, and she may well have had no idea who the father was. Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net

Carol Orr wrote: <snip> >ROBERT PERIE. born 23.10.1766, St Nicholas, Whitehaven, Cumberland. Son of Mary Perie >Does anyone have access to the parish records from St Nicholas and perhaps look this entry up to see what other information might be had. Much to my surprise, we've got a little bit of a result here. I had a look today at the Cumbria FHS transcript of the St Nicholas Baptisms 1694-1837. This has two relevant entries: 1759 9th September Betty of Mary Tirie 1766 23rd October Robert of Mary Perie, Queen Street No father mentioned, so the children (if Mary Tirie is the same as Mary Perie) look illegitimate. This, however, comes from the 1762 Census for Whitehaven: Queen Street Proprietor Mary Burrow Inhabitants ---- Wido. Mary Pearson Wido. Will Morland Sailor Will Sharp Mason John Ily Collier Ann Anderson Wido. Charles Haris Sailor Imprest Eleanor Drape Wido. Henry Dawson Mason Mongo Perry Sailor Eleanor Devotie Wido. Thomas Carter Labr James Ogilby Invalid Husband, father, brother? Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net

> >ROBERT PERIE. born 23.10.1766, St Nicholas, Whitehaven, > Cumberland. Son of Mary Perie > > >Does anyone have access to the parish records from St Nicholas > and perhaps look this entry up to see what other information > might be had. > > > Much to my surprise, we've got a little bit of a result here. > > I had a look today at the Cumbria FHS transcript of the St > Nicholas Baptisms 1694-1837. This has two relevant entries: > > 1759 9th September > Betty of Mary Tirie > > 1766 23rd October > Robert of Mary Perie, Queen Street > > > No father mentioned, so the children (if Mary Tirie is the same > as Mary Perie) look illegitimate. AMAZING!! Chris.....I have looked twice for Robert in the appropriate times in the BT's for St. Nicholas......he is just plain not there. However.....as I said to Carole.......there could have been an omission in the transcripts. When I couldn't find my Bowness/Allanby marriage in the BT's for Flimby, I ordered in the original FHC parish records and they were in there.......a few pages had been skipped, obviously, by the clerk. So I guess it pays to go to the ORIGINAL records rather than the BT's if one can find them. Thanks Chris....and I am sure Carole thanks you. Mind you, I did have fun finding all the names and events in the St. Nicholas film once I couldn't find Perie....... Cheers.....Heather > >