Hi Pam, In answer to your query - No, the database is not available on-line. The Centre, in order to make itself pay, will soon charge a look-up fee, or sell the first 10,000 names on a CD. Until then, the look-up is free, through me. I have no Haile listed on Chapel St, and cannot recall what I have sent before, so here's the current listing:- 1871 Robert Haile, 22, Castle Lane, Egremont, born Ravenglass 1871 Jonathan Hails, 28, Bigrigg Moor, born Muncaster William Haile, 33, killed in roof fall in Montreal No.10 Pit (Moor Row) on 12th May 1903, buried Egremont Cemetery. Thomas Hail, deputy, gave evidence at Inquiry into 1910 Wellington Pit Disaster W Hail, aged 39 in 1935. Lived 28, The Crescent, Thornhill. Started Ullcoats Mine 27th November 1922. Chapel Street is still there, but no older houses survive. Most miners houses were built by speculators aware of the needs of local mine owners. Houses built for miners began around 1910 with Brisco Mount, Egremont's first "Council houses". Later Castle Croft, Smithfield, Gulley Flatts, and Thornhill, around the 1916 period. What would happen to widows? Sometimes the Inquest jury gave their fees to the widow; sometimes a subscription was set up for bigger fatalities, where companies, businesses and minor gentry contributed. Mostly they "went on the Parish". The Workhouse was also very common unless the wider family helped. Sometimes some of the children were farmed out to different friends and relatives, leaving only those the mother could support herself. There is evidence of a mining company giving, in compensation to the widow, a mangle, so that she could support her family washing clothing for others. What was constant, was the right of the eldest son, to take his father's place if he was killed in the pit. From as young as 6 in a colliery, and 8 in an iron-ore mine, he became a full miner! Hard times! What were the other names? Hope this helps, Dave (Florence Mine Heritage Centre, Egremont) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Haile" <pamhaile@hotmail.com> To: <DavidKenneth@banks81.freeserve.co.uk> Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 6:42 PM Subject: miners' lists > > Hello Dave, I spoke to you once before about the Haile boys who were iron > ore miners in Egremont. Are any of the lists available on line as I have > some more names to search for? Some of the Hailes lived in Chapel St., is it > still there? Would those houses have been provided by the mine owners? What > would happen to widows and families after mining accidents? Was any > provision made for them or were they on their own? > I have made a family connection with Amanda Roberts in Canada through > another branch of family. I know she has found your help invaluable. Pam > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > >