----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Banks" <DavidKenneth@banks81.freeserve.co.uk> To: "Melville Cowin" <mel_cowin@btopenworld.com> Cc: <CUMBERLAND-L@rootsweb.com>; <ENG-CUL-COPELAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [CUL-COP] John GARNER, Anabaptist - Cleator > Mel (and List), > Gutterby is approximately 300 yards north of > Woodend. It is on what was known as Gutterby Lane, which goes to Moor > Row. Approximately another 300 yards beyond the fence and stile where > Gutterby Cottages stood, the road does an S-bend. This is where the > railway crossed; the embankment is still there. On this embankment > (east side) is the gravestone or commemorative stone of this same man, > which is depicted on the cover of the CFHS 1851 Census booklet for > Egremont and Cleator. The burial ground is the triangular field > immediately to the south of this. The 1861 OS map shows this ground as > a Quaker burial site, but I understand they did not have grave > markers. > The stone says > "Hear Doath the Body of John Garner lay, who was faithfull to the Lord > in his day, who did this burying place freely Bestow, and Despensed > the gospl without Charge you know, unto the people over which he was > Ordained, A paster unto them he did still Remain. Buryed ye 2 day of > December 1706 aged 75 years". > Also, although the Gutterby Cottages are now gone, there remains a > well there covered with a slate, but which is now bone dry. > Hope this is useful to somebody, > > Dave > (Florence Mine Heritage Centre, Egremont) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Melville Cowin" <mel_cowin@btopenworld.com> > To: <ENG-CUL-COPELAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 5:12 PM > Subject: Re: [CUL-COP] John GARNER, Anabaptist - Cleator > > > > Chris asked if anyone would care to comment on the places mentioned > in > > the following:- > > > >From Caesar Caine: 'A History of the Rural Dean of Whitehaven' > > > [1916] > > > > > > John GARNER, the Anabaptist pastor in Cleator, was buried in the > > > dissenters' graveyard, at Cleator, December 2nd 1706, aged 75 > > > years. His tombstone is affixed to the railway bridge which > > > crosses the main road from Gutterby to Moor Row. The old burial > > > ground is now largely covered by the railway embankment, though > > > an adjoining field goes by the name of 'Sepulchre Meadow'. John > > > Garner, the Anabaptist preacher, owned 'The Hollins' which was > > > part of Row Foot estate, Cleator. > > > > > > > Gutterby, if my memory serves me right, was near Woodend, roughly > half > > way between Moor Row and Egremont. There is a Hollins Farm just > south > > of Moor Row and may be 'The Hollins' referred to. > > Row Foot is about a mile out of Egremont and accessed from the minor > > road from Egremont to Ennerdale. > > > > I have no idea where the dissenters' burial ground was and am unable > to > > identify the railway bridge Caesar Caine is referring to. There are > two > > possibilities so methinks a little field work is in order. > > > > Mel > > > > ______________________________ > >