Patricia asked for a list of the Iredells in the 1641 Protestation Returns for Loweswater, so I might as well post them. The numbers are my own and indicate the list entry position. Waterend 27 Thomas Iredell Park 53 George Iredell 66 John Iredell 73 William Iredell 74 Thomas Iredell Middle Quarter 86 Peter Iredell 88 William Iredell 93 Thomas Iredell 94 William Iredell 95 Thomas Iredell Thackthwaite 102 John Iredell 105 Peter Iredell 109 William Iredell 110 Peter Iredell 113 John Iredell 114 Thomas Iredell 119 John Iredell Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net

Baptism's Cockermouth 13th April 1823 Abraham son of James and Elizabeth REED, Cockermouth, Weaver, Ed Fawcett. 19th April 1823 Dinah dau of Joseph and Elizabeth HODGSON, Cockermouth, Painter, Ed Fawcett 23rd April 1823 Catherine dau of John and Ann MANNEY, Cockermouth, Exciseman, Ed Fawcett 23rd April 1823 William son of John and Dinah GORLEY, Cockermouth, Hatter, Ed Fawcett 27th April 1823 Jane dau of Hugh and Sarah GREEN, Cockermouth, Hatter?/Waller?, Ed Fawcett 27th April 1823 William son of James and Margaret CRAIG Cockermouth, Weaver, Ed Fawcett 4th May 1823 Ann dau of James and Ann LOWEY, Cockermouth, Hatter, Ed Fawcett 18th May 1823 William Boswell son of James and Elizabeth FROSTICK, Cockermouth Tailor, Ed Fawcett

To keep the Ashburner pot boiling these are my family links: WILLIAM ASHBURNER married ELIZABETH CARTER 8 Sept 1800 children ANN, JOHN, THOMAS,AGNES, WILLIAM CARTER, and ELIZABETH ASHBURNER. Location : Oxenbows Farm, Millom My link is ANN ASHBURNER she married PETER FAWCETT in Millom (1827) and to really keep the Ashburner link their first son JONATHAN ASHBURNER FAWCETT married in Liverpool (1847) MARGARET ASHBURNER from Bardsea father JOHN ASHBURNER.(Shoemaker) Because of the multitude of Ashburners in the Furness/Ulverston area I have been unable to verify Margaret's parents. Any help would be appreciated. Eric Fawcett

Principle inhabitants of Cumberland 1901 MOSSOP Mrs Eliz vict Sun Inn Arlecdon http://www.mossopm.freeserve.co.uk/name1901.htm I did not find anything on Slater's Directory of Cumberland for 1848, 1855 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony O'Grady" <ogrady@connexus.net.au> To: <ENG-CUL-COPELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 8:09 PM Subject: [CUL-COP] The Sun Inn, Arlecdon > Does anyone on the list know of any information about, or references to, (or possible sources regarding these) The Sun Inn at Arlecdon prior to 1900. > > My wife's family were the publicans of The Sun Inn for about 50 years and I am keen to find out what is available about its history. > > Tony O'Grady > Melbourne. >

Can anyone tell me if there is any MI's for Drigg and if so where could I find them Thank you Patricia

Jill Coulthard quotes: " to congratulate him on the prudent choice he had made, loudly applauding that philosophic disposition which would prefer the ripened charms of three-score, which cannot possibly suffer by change, to the blooming beauties of youth, which are known to be as fading as any flowers. " Wonderful. If only journalists could write like that now. and writes: >a childless widower for 15 years and was then aged 69. >Margaret was aged 26 ... In this case Margaret was able >to bear John a son and a daughter who inherited >considerable property I'm guessing that this sort of marriage was quite frequent. I seem to remember, for instance, that the MIREHOUSE family did this frequently (is that right, Dorothy?) and lived to very old ages. Very confusing when trying to construct a family tree. Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net

I was very interested in this MI from Whitehaven St. James posted on the Carlisle List, which I have just joined, and I wonder if the originator could tell me if he copied this from the gravestone itself or from a previous transcription. Henry Ritson only son of the late Mr John Ritson of Tallentire died 22nd December 1849 aged 3. Also of Catherine his wife died December 14th 1850 aged 37. Also Marian their only daughter, beloved wife of G.J.Muriel, J.P. Surgeon of Whitehaven. Born August 21st 1845 died December 23rd 1920. Also John Henry Moore their only son born August 21st 1847 died at Hinning House, Bootle June 6th 1909. It appeared to give a lead on the family of John Henry Moore Ritson who married Sarah Grice of Bootle. However, several things puzzled me. One was that both Henry and John Henry Moore were described as "only son" when they were both alive at the same time. Also why Henry was included in both their names although the elder had not yet died when the younger was born. I also had a lead to the possibility that the names of "Mary Muriel" whom family charts said was married to Richard Grice of Bootle, Sarah's youngest brother, were that of her first and maiden names not two first names as I had hitherto presumed. Good stuff. I set off to investigate and you may be interested in what I found. Here I must give much thanks to Archive Books for the Bootle Parish Registers and the compilers of Free BMDs, CFHS for their census books amongst others including the LDS Church plus the unknown relative who compiled the chart in the first place. First I looked at the 1851 census for Whitehaven to see if I could find the two surviving children Marian and John Henry Moore Ritson. I was surprised to find that their mother Catherine, said to have died 14 December 1850 was alive and well, a widow aged 37 and a Proprietor of Land and Houses. They lived at Gregg's Court which appeared to be off Tangier Street. I have not yet been able to find from Free BMD however when Catherine and her husband died. Now my reading of the MI was that Henry Ritson was the son of John and Catherine and died aged 3 in 1849 and that John and Catherine had two surviving children, Marian and John Henry Moore Ritson. I could find no baptisms for these children as children of John and Catherine or John only. >From Free BMDs I found matching marriage entries for Marian Ritson and George John Muriel Q2 1868 in the Whitehaven Registration District so that checked out. I next turned to the Bootle Parish Registers and found the marriage of John Henry Moore Ritson and Sarah Grice on 13 Oct 1875 at Bootle. I was surprised to find that JHM Ritson gave his father as "Henry Ritson, Spirit Merchant". There was no reason for him to give a false identity for his father. His age and unusual combination of names indicated that it was indeed the same person. I then went back to IGI and found baptisms for Marian 16 Oct 1845 and John Henry Moore Ritson 30 Aug 1847 both at Whitehaven St. James as children of Henry and Catherine. This was beginning to put quite a different light on the MI wording. I then started to deduce that it should read something like as follows:- HENRY RITSON was the only son of JOHN RITSON of Tallentire (IGI baptism for Henry son of John at nearby Bridekirk 22 Oct 1815). He died 22nd December 1849 aged 33. HENRY's wife CATHERINE died 14th December 1850 (but she didn't unless the 1851 census was wrong as is very unlikely) HENRY and CATHERINE had two children. Marian married George John Muriel, Surgeon of Whitehaven (quite right). John Henry Moore Ritson died at Hinning House (the home of his wife's youngest brother RICHARD GRICE). A further twist to the tale. As previously mentioned RICHARD GRICE's wife was probably MARY MURIEL. Unfortunately no marriage for them in Bootle Parish Registers. A last thought. I turned to the Banns Register. There three entries from the end were the Banns for Richard Grice of Bootle and Mary Harcourt Muriel of Whitehaven St. James called on 10/17/24 June 1900. Now I am almost certain though not yet proved that Mary Muriel was the daughter of George John Muriel and Marian nee Ritson. Therefore she was also John Henry Moore Ritson's niece so when he died at Hinning House it was at the home of his brother-in-law married to his niece. A typically Cumbrian state of affairs. >From 1901 census Index it appears that the Mary Grice married to Richard was born in Staffordshire. Looking through for likely Muriels on the 1881 census I identified two presumed brothers at a boarding school in Epsom, one born Staffordshire and the other Whitehaven. Muriel is too unusual a surname to make this a coincidence. I now think that George John Muriel and Marian Ritson had the following children at least - MARY HARCOURT born c. 1868 in Staffordshire (married Richard Grice, her uncle's wife's brother) HENRY born c. 1870 at Alrewas, Staffs. At boarding school in Epsom 1881. Church of England Clergyman at Lichfield, Staffs 1901 GEORGE BERTRAM bap 23 June 1871 Whitehaven St. James, son of George John and Marian Muriel. At boarding school in Epsom 1881. MARGUERITE HELDER born Q3 1872 Whitehaven I have been unable to find George John and Marian Muriel with their two daughters Mary and Marguerite on the 1881 census. Unless the spelling of their name is wildly out it is possible that they were out of the country, perhaps in India or Ireland for example and that is one reason why the two sons were in boarding school. Much is still to be proved or disproved of course but what a lot of information I got from one MI which turned out to have suspect wording after all. As has been said many times, there is usually a grain of truth in there somewhere. My thanks to the originator of these MI postings. Jill

I found a number of sites with pictures of dolly tubs, possers, and mangles. One Australian mangle collector has a site with about 20 mangles all different. The following site "Countryside Museum" is Cumbria specific and so I thought it worthwhile to share the Washday page. If the washday question has been answered, I am sure that some of the rest of this museum might be of interest. http://www.fellpony.f9.co.uk/country/washday/washday.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Banks" <DavidKenneth@banks81.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-CUL-COPELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 3:27 PM Subject: [CUL-COP] Re: mangle > Hi Sarah, > Prepare to be educated! > What you have is a "Dolly-tub" and was an early washing machine. If you can imagine the action of a top-loader washer in a laundromat, it is the same principle. The tank or copper, was filled with hot soapy water and the "stick" as you call it, and which usually has a cross-piece at the top, was pushed down into the washing, five-legged feet first. The two handles at the top were twisted backwards and forwards, while at the same time pulling up, and pushing down. These are exactly the motions the machine-washer manufacturers have tried to emulate since! A bit before my time, although we do have an example of the "stick" in our museum. Anybody know what it was called? A Dolly, perhaps? > The mangle was a cast iron frame, with two wooden rollers, one above the other, which were rotated in opposing directions by a flywheel and crank to one side. Wet clothing was inserted between the rollers, and were squeezed dry of water by turning the crank. This wet clothing was usually then deposited onto a washboard or drainer attached to it. This lot was perched above and to one side of the boiler or copper, and the one my Nana had in the 50's was electric. > Now don't get me started on the purpose of the squares of newspaper hanging on the toilet door! > > Dave > (Florence Mine Heritage Centre, Egremont) > > POSTED ON BOTH LISTS WITH PERMISSION OF ORIGINATOR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: sarah > To: Dave Banks ; CUMBERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 12:15 AM > Subject: mangle > > > >>There is evidence of a mining company > giving, in compensation to the widow, a mangle, so that she could support her family washing clothing for others<<Dave > > Dave, what is that? I bought an old English "washer" at an auction, it is in 2 pieces, one looks like a big metal garbage can, the other is a stick with a 5 legged stool on one end. Supposedly you pulled the stick up and down to create a washing action.... > > Sarah > > ______________________________

Taken from the printed version of St. Bees Parish registers, transcribed by H.B. Stout, A.R.I.B.A. and published by CWAAS which I trust is not subject to copyright. 13th December 1784 JEREMIAH RULE, seaman and HANNAH HODGSON, widow of this parish married by R. Scott (Rev. Robert Scott, minister) Witnesses: Jeremiah Rule and John Rule Fairly straighforward one would think until one reads H. B. Stout's notes at the back of the book where he gives details of a newspaper clipping found in the book dated 13th December 1784. I wonder if it was clipped out and saved by Rev. Scott or the parish clerk. Surely it was one of the more unusual marriage ceremonies Rev. Scott was called on to perform. "At St. Bees, Cumberland, Mr. Jeremiah Rule, aged 19, to Mrs. Hannah Hodgson, widow, aged 61, being the fourth time she has honoured the marriage register book with her name. In the evening several of the relations by her former husbands went to the apartments of the new-married couple to pay their respec to their young grandfather; a great number of the neighbours also attended on the occasion to congratulate him on the prudent choice he had made, loudly applauding that philosophic disposition which would prefer the ripened charms of three-score, which cannot possibly suffer by change, to the blooming beauties of youth, which are known to be as fading as any flowers." So a 42 year gap between the couple's ages with the lady being the elder of the two. History, so far as I am concerned from the St. Bees registers, does not relate the fate of the partners of the marriage. This age gap is more to be remarked on than one the other way round of 43 years. 1st August 1843 at Wigton Parish Church JOHN MOSSOP, widower and MARGARET PEARSON, spinster were married. Witnesses: Mary Pearson, Jane Pearson, F. W. Reed (This may not be the exact wording as temporarily I cannot put my hand on the certificate) Rev. John Mossop was the Vicar of Hothfield, Kent though he came from the Rottington Hall family near St. Bees. He had been a childless widower for 15 years and was then aged 69. Margaret was aged 26 and is believed to have been a niece of one of John's relatives though I have not been able to prove the connection. In this case Margaret was able to bear John a son and a daughter who inherited considerable property, much in London, from their father when they came of age. His first wife had been wealthy in her own right and it is said that she and her unmarried sisters left John all their property. Rev. John died in October 1849 when his children were 5 and 3 years old. Margaret remarried to John Henry Wagner in Q3 1851 and had at least one daughter, Edith. The property settlements when Rev. John's children came of age and took over their inheritance from their mother's trusteeship are at Whitehaven Record Office. They gave the name of her second husband which I did not previously have. Rev. John's son, John Henry, was apparently Captain of Boats at Eton and matriculated from Christ Church college, Oxford in 1865. He never married but left the bulk of his estate to his half sister/s and his nephews. Rev. John's daughter Mary Aynscombe Mossop (named for his first wife) married Sir William Alexander Baillie-Hamilton, KCMG at St. George's, Hanover Square, London in 1871 and had two sons. One could say that Margaret Pearson made a "good marriage" and one hopes that Jeremiah Rule felt that he had made the right choice also. Rev. John Mossop and Hannah Hodgson no doubt benefitted from the company of their much younger spouses. Jill Coulthard

Hi Tony If you are familiar with google try entering Sun Inn Arlecdon in the search box there is quite a bit of info available. Alternatively try www.sharpedgecumbria.co.uk/history.htm lots about the village etc may be a good place to start as I believe there is a book that you can buy as well John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony O'Grady" <ogrady@connexus.net.au> To: <ENG-CUL-COPELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: [CUL-COP] The Sun Inn, Arlecdon > Does anyone on the list know of any information about, or references to, (or possible sources regarding these) The Sun Inn at Arlecdon prior to 1900. > > My wife's family were the publicans of The Sun Inn for about 50 years and I am keen to find out what is available about its history. > > Tony O'Grady > Melbourne. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Does anyone on the list know of any information about, or references to, (or possible sources regarding these) The Sun Inn at Arlecdon prior to 1900. My wife's family were the publicans of The Sun Inn for about 50 years and I am keen to find out what is available about its history. Tony O'Grady Melbourne.

Hi Sarah, Prepare to be educated! What you have is a "Dolly-tub" and was an early washing machine. If you can imagine the action of a top-loader washer in a laundromat, it is the same principle. The tank or copper, was filled with hot soapy water and the "stick" as you call it, and which usually has a cross-piece at the top, was pushed down into the washing, five-legged feet first. The two handles at the top were twisted backwards and forwards, while at the same time pulling up, and pushing down. These are exactly the motions the machine-washer manufacturers have tried to emulate since! A bit before my time, although we do have an example of the "stick" in our museum. Anybody know what it was called? A Dolly, perhaps? The mangle was a cast iron frame, with two wooden rollers, one above the other, which were rotated in opposing directions by a flywheel and crank to one side. Wet clothing was inserted between the rollers, and were squeezed dry of water by turning the crank. This wet clothing was usually then deposited onto a washboard or drainer attached to it. This lot was perched above and to one side of the boiler or copper, and the one my Nana had in the 50's was electric. Now don't get me started on the purpose of the squares of newspaper hanging on the toilet door! Dave (Florence Mine Heritage Centre, Egremont) POSTED ON BOTH LISTS WITH PERMISSION OF ORIGINATOR ----- Original Message ----- From: sarah To: Dave Banks ; CUMBERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 12:15 AM Subject: mangle >>There is evidence of a mining company giving, in compensation to the widow, a mangle, so that she could support her family washing clothing for others<<Dave Dave, what is that? I bought an old English "washer" at an auction, it is in 2 pieces, one looks like a big metal garbage can, the other is a stick with a 5 legged stool on one end. Supposedly you pulled the stick up and down to create a washing action.... Sarah

Hi Diana, Yes, as a rule of thumb, they stuck to their respective mines. Colliers/Haggers/Hewers in coal mines, and miners in iron-ore mines. Neither were safer than the other, suffering the same conditions, and homes, but whereas the likelihood of a gas explosion in a coal mine was great, and in an iron-ore mine, negligable; the fall of roof in an ore mine was considerably more serious than a fall of coal or shale in a colliery. Why? If you try and lift a standard shovel of coal, which could be 18 inches to 20 inches across, you could do so without much problem. A similar sized shovel of iron-ore would be extremely difficult to move, let alone lift! We demonstrate this fact during our underground tour. Having said all that, some transfer from mine to colliery did occur, but rarely the other way. Finally, Cleator Moor was unique in that it had a shaft that mined coal and iron-ore, being on the coal fault, where a considerable movement of ground had occured, where the newer coal measures had become level with the older (deeper) iron-ore deposits. As Norman Nicholson put it "Red and Black berries from the same bush". This was one of only two iron-ore mines that suffered from gas, as the methane technically was in the same mine/colliery, although no methane problems were ever reported in the ore areas. The men carried safety lamps in the coal workings, but the ore miners were allowed to smoke clay pipes! The other gaseous ore mine was Hodbarrow in Millom, where occasional small explosions were known, caused by decaying wood in abandoned or flooded workings. Dave (Florence Mine Heritage Centre, Egremont) ----- Original Message ----- From: "diana smith" <diana.smith@ntlworld.com> To: <CUMBERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 1:25 PM Subject: [CUL] Miners - thanks Dave! > Thanks Dave for the very informative piece about Irish miners in Cumberland. > (Hope you got my reply offlist). > > I have another question: did iron miners always stick to iron mines, and > coal miners to coalmines, or might a miner work in both iron mines and > coalmines during his working life, chopping and changing with what work was > available? (Hope that makes sense!) > > Diana > > ______________________________

On numerous subscriber submitted family trees to the IGI, Burkes Landed Gentry, a series of articles in several publications including CWAAS, it is stated that the father of Anthony Askew b 1677 and at least his brother Roger, was John Askew who married Anne Muncaster. However this John Askew died in 1666, some 10 years before Anthony and Roger were born. Anyone else researching this family? Ivan

Ivan Gregory writes: <snip> However this John Askew died in 1666, some 10 years before Anthony and Roger were born. Anyone else researching this family? Oh dear! One possible explanation, if the pedigree is actually right, is that the births are actually baptisms, and that they weren't baptised until 10+. More likely, someone has confused generations. That's very easy to do around this period because there are so many gaps in the BMD records. There is the so-called 'Commonwealth Gap' and the general confusion cased by Congregationalists, Quakers and others. I find a huge number of children mentioned in wills around this time simply don't appear in any register. The most likely explanation of your problem is that John Askew (died 1666) had a son John, who was actually the father of Anthony and Roger. First stop, as I always say, is to look at the probate index and see what that can tell you. Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net

Roz writes: <snip> >I am trying to discover whether their father was Samuel >ASHBURNER (born Ulverston) and their mother Mary (nee JAMES, >born Bridekirk about 1855/6). <snip> A common enough name, I suppose, around Ulverston, but I'll throw my Ashburners in the microwave to see if anything pings. One of my family, Daniel Dickinson, ran off to Gretna Green in 1784 with a Miss Margaret Farthing, whose mother was an Ulverston Ashburner. Very sensible of him, as these particular Ashburners were doing very nicely. I understand that, for this family, there is an 'Ashburner Pedigree', printed by Taylor & Co of London in 1872 (though whether it is accurate or not I have no idea, nor where any copy may be) and there is, or was, an entry in Burke's Landed Gentry (which I also haven't checked out!). Carol's ULV list may be of more help. Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net

Hello to all, I wonder if anyone can help me confirm parentage of the following ASHBURNER children, all born apparently in Egremont (am I even on the right list??): Ann (born about 1888/9) Margaret (born about 1890/1) William (born about 1892/3) I am trying to discover whether their father was Samuel ASHBURNER (born Ulverston) and their mother Mary (nee JAMES, born Bridekirk about 1855/6). If anyone has a marriage for these two, this would be the icing on the cake! Many thanks. Best wishes, Roz

Hi Pam, In answer to your query - No, the database is not available on-line. The Centre, in order to make itself pay, will soon charge a look-up fee, or sell the first 10,000 names on a CD. Until then, the look-up is free, through me. I have no Haile listed on Chapel St, and cannot recall what I have sent before, so here's the current listing:- 1871 Robert Haile, 22, Castle Lane, Egremont, born Ravenglass 1871 Jonathan Hails, 28, Bigrigg Moor, born Muncaster William Haile, 33, killed in roof fall in Montreal No.10 Pit (Moor Row) on 12th May 1903, buried Egremont Cemetery. Thomas Hail, deputy, gave evidence at Inquiry into 1910 Wellington Pit Disaster W Hail, aged 39 in 1935. Lived 28, The Crescent, Thornhill. Started Ullcoats Mine 27th November 1922. Chapel Street is still there, but no older houses survive. Most miners houses were built by speculators aware of the needs of local mine owners. Houses built for miners began around 1910 with Brisco Mount, Egremont's first "Council houses". Later Castle Croft, Smithfield, Gulley Flatts, and Thornhill, around the 1916 period. What would happen to widows? Sometimes the Inquest jury gave their fees to the widow; sometimes a subscription was set up for bigger fatalities, where companies, businesses and minor gentry contributed. Mostly they "went on the Parish". The Workhouse was also very common unless the wider family helped. Sometimes some of the children were farmed out to different friends and relatives, leaving only those the mother could support herself. There is evidence of a mining company giving, in compensation to the widow, a mangle, so that she could support her family washing clothing for others. What was constant, was the right of the eldest son, to take his father's place if he was killed in the pit. From as young as 6 in a colliery, and 8 in an iron-ore mine, he became a full miner! Hard times! What were the other names? Hope this helps, Dave (Florence Mine Heritage Centre, Egremont) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Haile" <pamhaile@hotmail.com> To: <DavidKenneth@banks81.freeserve.co.uk> Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 6:42 PM Subject: miners' lists > > Hello Dave, I spoke to you once before about the Haile boys who were iron > ore miners in Egremont. Are any of the lists available on line as I have > some more names to search for? Some of the Hailes lived in Chapel St., is it > still there? Would those houses have been provided by the mine owners? What > would happen to widows and families after mining accidents? Was any > provision made for them or were they on their own? > I have made a family connection with Amanda Roberts in Canada through > another branch of family. I know she has found your help invaluable. Pam > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > >

Dear Dave, Many thanks for the photo of Clement Mossop junior. He looks very much the part and I shall keep a look out for his progress in the sport. I look forward to any more information on the family you might just come across. Incidentally would you mind not posting letters I have sent to Copeland List onto the Cumberland List without my permission. I am a member of both but prefer to decide for myself which list to post to not have it decided for me. Apart from the above I get such a backlog of Cumberland Lists, was it eight in total just for Sunday 6th October that I am reduced to just browsing the archives, leaving them for a later date or just deleting piecemeal. When I get them through my e-mail server's website as I had to do during the recent Bugbear crisis I just get told my box is full and will have to be cleared before any more can come in so out they all go unread. Therefore I am not at all abreast of events if people post my letters onto a List for which they were not intended and which I am not monitoring daily. I hope you can understand this. Best wishes and thanks for your help, Jill

(previously posted at Cumbria Coffee Shop) While Googling "Robert Jefferson", I came across an interesting local activity that Mr. Jefferson was apparently quite active in. Hound trailing dates back to the 18th Century, but it wasn't until 1906 that the Hound Trailing Association was formed under the direction of Robert Jefferson, a Whitehaven man who was also part of the local tourist attraction 'The Rum Story'. Since then the sport has grown from its humble origins, though the rules have remained largely unchanged. If you would like to see some beautiful photos, check out a traditional Cumbrian sport, and possibly find a relative who was active, I suggest googling "hound trailing". I got over 300 results on an 'exact phrase' search -- it will take me a while to look at them. _____________________ Tim Anderson Gaithersburg, Maryland