As a form of remembrance, you may wish to post names or biographies of any Cumbrians killed in action. I suggest that this should include not only the dead of the wars of the 20th century, but also those of previous conflicts; and any Cumbrians who may have been caught up in recent acts of terrorism. Chris List Administrator chris@dickinson.uk.net ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-admin@rootsweb.com ENG-CUL-COPELAND-admin@rootsweb.com

I hope someone out there can help me with this one! >From his death certificate I have the following information: Henry Thomas (my paternal g-g-grandfather) died 30th August 1880, at No 12 Pit Cro??field Cleator Moor, [I thought this might have been Crossfield but doesn't look like ss]. "Accidentally killed by falling down pit". He was an Iron Pit something at the time. [My eyes are getting worse!!] Inquests were held 30th August and 1st September with the certificate received from H J Whiteside deputy coroner for the Lordship[?] of Egremont. He left a wife Isabella and children Alfred Forrester Thomas b1874 (g-grandfather), William b1872, Justus b1877, Marrion b 1879 and Isabella b1881. At the time of the 1881 census, the widow and children were living in Cleator. My problem is I do not know where he was born, although I do know from his death certificate that he was 34, which would make it about 1846. Family tradition has the Thomas family originally coming from Cornwall and he could have been the first 'Thomas' to move into Cumberland. If anyone has access to the 1871 census for Cleator/Moor Row area could they please look up this family for me? Also, can anyone tell me where I could get more information about the accident that caused his death? Joyce Sinclair Perth, Western Australia  

Just thought I would repost my Farren's of Ravenglass Margaret Brocklebank Daughter of Benjamin Brocklebank and Eleanor Thompson/Mossop/Brocklebank married Tom Farren 19th October 1907 in Drigg. They lived in Ravenglass had children, who I don't know who they are, would like to know!!!! some of the children may have lived at Holmrook Tom's family where a Joseph and Mary Farren who in 1881 lived at Main street Muncaster Children Eleanor born 1872 Sarah born 1874 John Born 1876 Tom born 1878 William 1879 Isaac 1881 Any help gratefully received Regards Patricia Clews Brocklebank/Brockbank: CUL, LANCS, CANADA married into Mossop, Farren, Ferguson, Raven/Fox Murphy: Egremont, IRELAND married into O'brien, O'Conner, Hanratty, and many more

Cockermouth Ritson's 1827 Baptism 11th March, Maria, dau of Bolton and Mary Ritson, Cockermouth, Weaver, Ed Fawcett 23rd Sept, William, Son of John and Jane Ritson, Cockermouth, Painter, Ed Fawcett 1827 Burial 25th Sept, William Ritson, Cockermouth, Infant, Ed Fawcett. 1828 Baptism 5th Oct, William son of Edward and Ruth Ritson, Cockermouth, Nailer, Ed Fawcett. 12th Oct, Martha, dau of Bolton and Mary Ritson, Cockermouth, Weaver, Ed Fawcett 2nd Nov, Elizabeth, dau of John and Jane Ritson, Cockermouth, Painter, Ed Fawcett 1828 Burial 9th Oct, William Ritson, Cockermouth, Infant, Ed Fawcett 6th Nov, ******** Ritson, Cockermouth, 87, Ed Fawcett 1829 Baptism 27th Dec, Jane dau Edward and Ruth Ritson, Cockermouth, Nailer, Ed Fawcett 1829 Burial 26th April, Sarah Ellen Ritson, Cockermouth, 2, Ed Fawcett, 1829 Marriage 7th December Jonathon Ritson, Joiner Frances Taylor Banns 22nd, 29th Nov, 6th Dec Ed Fawcett In the presence of Musgrave Todd Mary Taylor 1830 Baptism 17th October, Isabella dau of Jonathon and Frances Ritson, Cockermouth, Joiner, Ed Fawcett. 1830 Marriage 4th April William Spark, Husbandman Martha Ritson of St Helens License Ed Fawcett in the Presence of Richard Davidson Bela Davidson 1831 Baptism 15th May Jane dau of John and Jane Ritson, Cockermouth, Painter, Ed Fawcett That's all for now Patricia Clews

Cockermouth Ritson's 1813 burial 10th November Ann Ritson, Cockermouth, 22, Ed Fawcett 1819 Baptism 13th June, John son of Bolton and Mary Ritson, Cockermouth, Weaver,Ed Fawcett 16th Aug, John son of John and Mary Ritson, Cockermouth, Weaver, Ed Fawcett 24th Oct, Joseph son of Edward and Ruth Ritson, Cockermouth, Nailer, Ed Fawcett. 1820 Burial 7th Feb, John Ritson, Cockermouth, 2 Ed Fawcett. 1820 Baptism 6th Aug, John son of John and Mary Ritson, Cockermouth, Weaver, Ed Fawcett 1821 Burial 23rd July, Jarret Ritson, Cockermouth, Infant, Ed Fawcett 1822 Burial 14th May, Ann Ritson, Cockermouth, Infant, Ed Fawcett 2nd July, Sara Ritson, Cockermouth, 10, Ed Fawcett 25th July, Mary Ritson, Cockermouth, 75, Ed Fawcett 1823 Burial 10th Sept, John Ritson, Cockermouth, 80, Ed Fawcett 1824 Baptism 16th May, Edward, son of Edward and Ruth Ritson, Cockermouth, Nailer, Ed Fawcett. 1st Aug, Sarah, dau of Isaac and Mary Ritson,Cockermouth, Woollen Weaver, Ed Fawcett 3rd Oct, Sarah, dau of Bolton and Mary Ritson, Cockermouth, Weaver,Ed Fawcett 1825 Burial 21st Jan, Edward Ritson, Cockermouth, Infant, Ed Fawcett 1826 Burial 7th March, Edward Ritson, Cockermouth, Infant, Ed Fawcett 1826 Baptism Sarah Eleanor, dau of Edward and Ruth Ritson, Cockermouth, Nailer, Ed Fawcett. The last one I forgot to put the date down but will find and post later, lots more to come. Patricia Clews

1813 14th August, marriage William Lightfoot, Widower, Carpenter ( his mark) Fanny Ladyman ( her mark) Ed Fawcett Banns July 25th Aug 1st and 8th Thomas Lancton Ann Ladyman 1813 burial John Lightfoot, Cockermouth, Four months, Ed Fawcett 1814 baptism May 31st John son of William and Frances, Cockermouth, Carpenter, Ed Fawcett 1815 Baptism Sept 27th Elizabeth dau of William and Julia, Cockermouth, Carpenter, Ed Fawcett 1817 baptism Feb 23rd William son of William and Julia, Cockermouth, Joiner, Ed Fawcett 1818 baptism July 26th Isabella dau of William and Julia, Cockermouth, Joiner, Ed Fawcett Put them on file Diana they may be useful later. Patricia Clews

This is a handy tool I've just discovered makes life easier: When you learn how to translate a problem into keywords and symbols to use in a search engine (let's say Google at www.google.com), the keys to the Internet are yours. Here is how it works: The plus (+) symbol forces a key word to be INCLUDED. The staple of genealogy research is vital records -- when our ancestors were born, died, and married -- so a search with any surname and these keywords work well: Example: +ragan +born. You can use the keyword "died" or "married" in the spot where "born" is in the above example. The minus (-) symbol forces a keyword to be EXCLUDED. This is an extremely powerful research tool when you learn how to use it properly with the plus symbol. One of the variant spellings of my surname is REAGAN. What do you think happens when you start doing searches with this name? Many of the "hits" or "results" that come back are about former U.S. President Ronald Reagan. Here is how to fix it: Use: +reagan +born -president. The word "president" will not be in any of my results. Get the idea? What if the surname was "Morse" or "Cook"? Here are example of searches that you might do using the symbols: Search: +morse +married -code (the word "code" is excluded because of "morse code"). Try: +cook +died -food -chef (the words "food" and "chef" are excluded). Fine Tune Your Searches: Count on doing a search from three to five times. Each time you click on the "Search" button examine the results and see if there are any other keywords you can include or exclude. Don't worry about a large amount of results. What matters is the top 10 or 20 -- ignore the rest and start fine tuning. This way you really can find the needle in the haystack. You will be able to get the good stuff to come to the top like cream floats to the top of Grandpa's milk pail. Pam

Hi Everybody, This site may be useful to some of you, it contains several old maps of Cumberland. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~genmaps/genfiles/COU_Pages/ENG_pages/ cul.htm Bryan

Cockermouth, 1814 Baptism March 6th Robert, son of Thomas and Ann Lowther,Cockermouth, Postilion, Ed Fawcett 1814 Burial 25th July, Ann Lowther, Cockermouth, 42, Ed Fawcett 1815 Burial 18th June, Sarah Lowther, Cockermouth, 74, Ed Fawcett 12th September, Mary Lowther, Cockermouth, 22, Ed Fawcett 1816 Burial 26th April, Robert Lowther, Cockermouth, 2, Ed Fawcett 1817 Baptism 23rd February, Jane dau of James and Margaret Lowther, Cockermouth, Potter, Ed Fawcett 1818 Baptism 17th May, Ann dau of Henry and Mary Lowther, Cockermouth, Weaver, Ed Fawcett. hope these are of some use to some one Patricia Clews

The death of Janet Pearson, widow, of Fangs in Loweswater in 1649 must have been an event of some local importance. Her probate inventory was valued at £305 6s 2d, a considerable sum for a widow whose eldest son had probably already inherited the larger part of his father's estate. The inventory is remarkably detailed. I'm listing all the debts from it, as they may shed some light on what 'debts' might hide in other less thorough inventories [comments in square brackets are my thoughts]. Debts oweing by the said testator with specialtie [speciality was a signed written 'special' contract] To Margaret Allason widdow £21 17s 0d [this is so huge that I'm presuming it refers to some earlier inheritance that Margaret and Janet shared. I'm guessing that they were sisters. Probably Janet had the land and was required to pay Margaret her due share in due course] To the Earl of Northumberland for a fine £6 0s 0d [maybe the 'fine' that she had to pay on admission after her husband died?] Debts oweing by the said testator without specialtie To Margaret Allason £1 3s 0d To John Rudd for grassing £0 12s 0d To Henry Jackson of Stainburne for grassing £0 8s 0d To John Fearon of Soskell £1 0s 0d To Mr Lawson for land rent £0 3s 5d [possibly steward to the Earl of Northumberland?] To her son William Pearson for land rent £2 10s 0d [see, he had already inherited] To her son William more £0 4s 0d To Thomas Iredell of the Iredell £2 10 0d Ellen Peirson of Fangs widdow £0 3s od [her mother-in-law?] Mathew Peirson her son £0 3s 0d John Peirson her son £0 7s inkblot Agnes Jackson of Hall £0 5s 0d Agnes Iredell £0 5s 0d [do these two entries suggest that they were providing the same service. Any thoughts?] Elsabeth Walker for wages £0 3s 0d To the Constable William Burnyeate in Arrears for taxes £inkblot 14s 5d To Richard Peile for weaving £0 2s 8d Robert Biglands for two ?? £0 1s 0d William Bell for mowing £0 inkblot inkblot Thomas Dixon Smith for work £0 6s 4d Henry Jackson wife for drink £0 0s 6d Thomas Jackson Smith for work £0 1s 4d paid for her son Thomas Apparrell the testator was bound to find the same during his time of apprenticeship £0 18s 9d [the way the entries are squeezed together suggests that son Thomas was apprentice to Thomas Jackson] To Peter Robinson for one peaxe of [sheep/shoes?? walling/walking???] £0 0s 6d Funeral Expenses £1 10s 0d To John Sponser wife for spinning £1 5s 3d [prized by John Tyffin, John Johnson, Thomas Iredell and John Woodall] Inventories rarely give this amount of detail. What this does show is that long lists don't necessarily indicate money-lending, but just the ordinary day-to-day business of a busy and complex community. Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net

Hi, As of today, the LDS website [www.familysearch.org] has made the 1880 US Census, 1881 Canadian Census and the 1881 British Census available to Internet users for instant online searching. Now don't all rush there.... Good Hunting Pam

Baptism March 19th 1820, Samuel son of Joseph and Hannah Bell, Cockermouth, Carpenter. Ed Fawcett July 23 1820 Annie dau of Robert and Rebecca Bell, Cockermouth, Carpenter, Ed Fawcett Dec 24th 1820, Sarah dau of Robert and Mary Bell, Cockermouth, Labourer, Ed Fawcett. Burial May 2nd 1820, Elsey Bell,Cockermouth, 2 , Ed Fawcett Baptism Dec 2nd 1821, Isaac son of Robert and Frances Bell, Cabinet maker, Cockermouth, Ed Fawcett. Burial Oct 1st 1823 John Bell, Cockermouth 80, Ed Fawcett, Sept 5th 1826, Elizabeth Bell, Cockermouth, Infant, Ed Fawcett. Baptism Sept 3rd 1826, Elizabeth dau of John and Frances, cockermouth, Weaver, D Lowther off minister 4th June 1826 Isaac son of John Robinson,Scalely, Labourer and Elizabeth Bell, Cockermouth, Spinster, Ed Fawcett June 28th 1826 Elizabeth dau of Richard Bell, Cockermouth, Surgeon,and Elizabeth Lockett, Spinster, * Armitage off Minister Burial 1832 February 22nd Mary Bell,Cockermouth, 78, Ed Fawcett February 23rd David Bell , cockermouth, 77, Ed Fawcett That's all for now,sure to come across more later Patricia Clews

Hi, I wonder if anyone can provide details about the Kirkgate area of Cockermouth around 1871? At the time, my gg-grandfather, William GOULDING lived there with his two youngest children, Margaret Ann and John. He also died there on January 2, 1872. I think Kirkgate is located in the shadows of All Saints and I've even walked all about that area but I didn't know my ancestor lived there at the time. Several web sites seem to indicate that today it is a building or area devoted to the arts. I'm wondering what it was like when my ancestors actually lived there. I suspect when they did, they had probably fallen on hard times since William's health likely kept him from working as a Clogger. The 1871 census record simply indicates "Kirkgate" and no additional street information is given. If anyone has researched Kirkgate and can share information, I would be most appreciative. Thanks in advance. Regards, Roger Park Atlanta, Georgia USA zimmerhouse@bellsouth.net

In memory of Robert Casson who died at Forde House November 30th 1910, in his 94th year. Esther wife of Robert Casson of Forde House died August 1st 1879 aged 64 years. Also Robert son of the above died June 4th 1860 aged 3 years. Also Esther daughter of the above died November 17th 1870 aged 25 years. Also Eleanor daughter of the above died April 25th 1894 aged 42 years. Bryan

Made a slight mistake on the second Bell 1813 Nov 15th Cockermouth Hannah ( not Mary) Dau of John and Frances Bell, Soldier in Cumberland Militia Patricia

Can't seem to get past these Bells! 1813 Baptism 2nd May,Mary daughter of Joseph and Hannah, Ed Fawcett 15th November, Mary Daughter of John and Frances Bell, Cockermouth, Soldier in Militia. Ed Fawcett 8th May 1813 John Benson, Miller of this Parish Martha Bell, Spinster ( her Mark) Ed Fawcett Banns April 13th,25, May 2nd In the presence of George Cape Elizabeth Swinburn 15th November 1813 Henry Longley,Weaver, Martha Bell Ed Fawcett Banns 31st Oct, 7th,14, Nov in the presence of William Waugham Ann Hey 1814 Baptism 25th February 1814 Joseph son of James Oliphant Bell and his wife Jane, Surgeon, Ed Fawcett Burial 27th February 1814 Joseph Bell, Cockermouth, 3 weeks, Ed Fawcett ( this is not a Bell but I think you will see the connection) 1814 Baptism July 5th Bell daughter of Robert Oliphant and his wife Hannah, Cockermouth, Husbandman, Ed Fawcett May 29th 1814 Elizabeth dau of John and Ann Bell, Cockermouth, Carpenter, Ed Fawcett July 24th William Dau of John and Ann, Cockermouth, Butcher, Ed Fawcett 1815 Baptism Sarah dau of James Oliphant Bell and his wife Jane, Cockermouth, Surgeon, Ed Fawcett 1819 Marriage 2nd April James Garley, age twenty years, Batchelor ( his mark) Annie Bell, age twenty years, Spinster ( her mark) Licence from myself with the consent of their Parents,Mary Garley and John Bell. Ed Fawcett, A M Minister in the presence of Henry Dalton William Becker Burial 7th April 1819, Mary Bell, Cockermouth, 2, Ed Fawcett 20th April 1819, Hannah Bell Cockermouth, 8 months, Ed Fawcett 30th May 1819, Braithwaite Bell, Cockermouth, ?age, Ed Fawcett That's it for today more Bells tomorrow, Patricia Clews

BELL: Cockermouth Just a few 1819-1824 found while searching for my Brocklebanks/Brockbank. 1819 Baptism March 21st Jane daughter of James and Mary Bell, Cockermouth, Husbandman, Ed Fawcett 1821 Burial October 5th Octavias Bell, Cockermouth, 1, Ed Fawcett 1822 Baptism March 3rd Jane, dau of Walter and Isabella Bell, Cockermouth, Weaver, Ed Fawcett 1822 Burial May 8th Sarah Bell, Cockermouth, Infant, Ed Fawcett July 8th Ann Bell, Cockermouth , 32, Ed Fawcett 1823 Baptism 23rd December John, son of Joseph and Hannah Bell, Cockermouth, Joiner, Ed Fawcett 3rd Aug Robert son of Robert and Fanny Bell, Cockermouth, Cabinet Maker, Ed Fawcett 1823 Burial Nov 23rd Robert Bell, Cockermouth, Infant, Ed Fawcett 1824 Baptism Feb 15th Jane dau of John and Frances Bell, Cockermouth, Weaver, Ed Fawcett 1824 Burial April 11th Ann Bell, Cockermouth, 87, Ed Fawcett Baptism 29th July 1824 Anthony Bell son of John and Elizabeth Bell, Cockermouth, Waller, Ed Fawcett Burial 1st Aug 1824 Anthony Bell, Cockermouth, Infant, Ed Fawcett hope they are of use to some one Patricia Clews

Thanks, Heather. I don't know quite why Roy should be getting the tumbling hourglass. I've just tried accessing the site with java and cookies off, and simply get directed to a page headed Error: Invalid Access Error. To encourage you all, the A2A site is currently accessing 'a free lunch and cultural event' for users of the site on Saturday 30th November at 12.30 pm. http://www.a2a.pro.gov.uk/about/uncovered.asp Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net

Chris.......I answered via email as all you Brits are snoozing at midnight our time. Plus he lives 'just down the road a bit'....... I told him where to find the security settings in IE re cookies and Java......and assume it is the same as my IE5.5. And directed him to the MS news groups where he can get answers on his O/S and IE6. Cheers.....Figgs > Hi Chris, > > I have tried to access both the URLs but all I get is that little hour glass > that just keeps on tumbling. > > Being very much a senior / newbie at both genealogy and computers, I am not > sure if my javascript or cookies are on or not. Is it possible that is why > I seem to be unable to access? > > If this is considered off topic for this list, my apologies. Perhaps you > could direct me to a list that would explain how to determine if cookies or > javascript is on/off. > > I have Windows XP, OE 6, Internet Explorer with hi-speed cable. > > Roy > Mississauga-Canada > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Chris, I have tried to access both the URLs but all I get is that little hour glass that just keeps on tumbling. Being very much a senior / newbie at both genealogy and computers, I am not sure if my javascript or cookies are on or not. Is it possible that is why I seem to be unable to access? If this is considered off topic for this list, my apologies. Perhaps you could direct me to a list that would explain how to determine if cookies or javascript is on/off. I have Windows XP, OE 6, Internet Explorer with hi-speed cable. Roy Mississauga-Canada