In article <5.1.1.6.2.20021125093750.00a057d0@postoffice.trump.net.au>, Robert Tanner <rtanner@trump.net.au> writes >How about getting Rod Neep interested? > >http://www.rod-neep.co.uk/ > >Regards, >Robert. I'm listening ;-) It is obviously a book which is out of print but still in copyright. Given the necessary permissions, then I could do it if enough people were interested. Regards Rod > >At 04:35 PM 24-11-02, you wrote: >>Ann -- >>Thanks, I read it from cover to cover yesterday and then sent it >>back (I had it on interlibrary loan from Harvard). I found this >>book by Rev. A. Neville Rigg to be extremely well researched. He >>cites primary sources as well as such things as unpublished Ph.D. >>dissertations. There are page after page of names and dates. I >>would think that someone (or group) interested in Cumbrian genealogy >>might want to consider making a reprint of this book (with whatever >>arrangements are appropriate with the author and his solicitors). >>I have found an email address for Michael Moon and will make an >>inquiry there. >>Tim >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Ann Brownrigg" <rmbcgg@racsa.co.cr> >>To: <ENG-CUL-COPELAND-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 12:51 AM >>Subject: [CUL-COP] "Cumbria, Slavery, and the Textile Industrial >>Revolution," A. N. Rigg, Penrith,1994 >> >> >> > A kind friend skimmed through this at the BL. It is a strange >>book: no >> > publisher, just the address 'Hewitson and Harker, Kirkby Stephen, >>solicitors >> > acting for Rev. A.N Rigg'. If anyone wants to obtain a copy and if >>the >> > solicitors are not forthcoming, it was suggested that they try >>Michael Moon >> > of Whitehaven, an antiquarian bookseller specialising in Cumbrian >>local >> > history. >> > >> >> >>============================== >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >>go to: >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >Robert Tanner In Aus, phone (03) 6231 0794 >PO Box 539 From OS, phone +61 3 6231 0794 >North Hobart >Tasmania 7002 rtanner@trump.net.au >Australia > >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~robtan/home.html > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > -- ARCHIVE CD BOOKS - A project to reproduce old books on CD for genealogists and pay for the restoration of books in Record Offices, Libraries, etc. Mailing list : CDBOOKS-L@rootsweb.com (for discussions) Weekly News : CDBOOKS-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com (weekly announcements & news) E-mail : enquiries@archivecdbooks.org Web : http://www.archivecdbooks.org

I've just joined the list, and am researching the following families: IRELAND - Wythop / Embleton 1790 on HANNAH - Workington 1813 on (particularly difficult as they did not appear to believe in Civil Registration) DIXON - Wythop, Workington (& anywhere in between) 1790 on Kind Regards Sue Horsman Castle Donington, UK sue.horsman@tesco.net

Ann -- Thanks, I read it from cover to cover yesterday and then sent it back (I had it on interlibrary loan from Harvard). I found this book by Rev. A. Neville Rigg to be extremely well researched. He cites primary sources as well as such things as unpublished Ph.D. dissertations. There are page after page of names and dates. I would think that someone (or group) interested in Cumbrian genealogy might want to consider making a reprint of this book (with whatever arrangements are appropriate with the author and his solicitors). I have found an email address for Michael Moon and will make an inquiry there. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Brownrigg" <rmbcgg@racsa.co.cr> To: <ENG-CUL-COPELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 12:51 AM Subject: [CUL-COP] "Cumbria, Slavery, and the Textile Industrial Revolution," A. N. Rigg, Penrith,1994 > A kind friend skimmed through this at the BL. It is a strange book: no > publisher, just the address 'Hewitson and Harker, Kirkby Stephen, solicitors > acting for Rev. A.N Rigg'. If anyone wants to obtain a copy and if the > solicitors are not forthcoming, it was suggested that they try Michael Moon > of Whitehaven, an antiquarian bookseller specialising in Cumbrian local > history. >

Hi Everyone A while ago I enquired about a John Bigrigg in Cockermouth who was a journeyman Clogger and his wife Mary Ann. Thank you all who replied, unfortunately the information which you were able to give me related to, I think his cousin. We have however got a slim lead which we are following but if this fails I will be back pleading again. Secondly in the Princpal Inhabitants of Cumberland 1847 several Sandwith,s are listed. Geo Sandwith a Shoemaker of Holme side Irton interests me and I would like to trace whether he married. If so could anyone confirm if she was Margaret (Peggy) Southward. If anyone who has not contacted me has any Sandwith's marrying their ancestors would they please contact me with info. Thanks Gerald Sandwith _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

A kind friend skimmed through this at the BL. It is a strange book: no publisher, just the address 'Hewitson and Harker, Kirkby Stephen, solicitors acting for Rev. A.N Rigg'. If anyone wants to obtain a copy and if the solicitors are not forthcoming, it was suggested that they try Michael Moon of Whitehaven, an antiquarian bookseller specialising in Cumbrian local history.

Dixon's of Cockermouth 1814 Baptism October 11th John son of Joseph and Elizabeth Dixon, Cockermouth, Husbandman, Ed Fawcett 1819 Burial August 20th, Sarah Dixon, 81, Setmurthy, Ed Fawcett 1820 Marriage 16th May Joseph Shelton, Bachelor Mary Dixon, Spinster License Consent; Christopher Dixon, Father in the presences of William Lowes Hannah Hodgson 1821 Burial's January 15th, Elizabeth Dixon, 3, Cockermouth, Ed Fawcett. February 25th, Hannah Dixon, 87, Cockermouth, Ed Fawcett. 1821 Baptism 5th May, Joseph son of Joseph and Elizabeth, Labourer, Cockermouth, Ed Fawcett 30th June, Martha dau of Joseph Hodgson, Weaver and Jane Dixon, Servant, Cockermouth, Ed Fawcett. 1823 Burial 2nd December, Jane Dixon, 3, Cockermouth, Ed Fawcett. 1826 Burial 15th June, Thomas Dixon, 56, Cockermouth, Ed Fawcett. 1826 Baptism 2nd October, James son of John and Mary, Post boy, Cockermouth, Ed Fawcett. 1826 Burial 8th Oct, James Dixon, infant, Cockermouth, Ed Fawcett. 1827 Marriage, 27th September William Blair, Weaver, his mark Margaret Dixon, Widow Banns, 9th,16th,23rd of September Edward Fawcett In the presence of John Parking M**** Blair 1827 Burial 19th Jan, Joseph Dixon, 47, Cockermouth, Ed Fawcett. 1827 Baptisms 18th Nov, George son of Francis and Jane Dixon, Husbandman, Cockermouth, Ed Fawcett. 9th Dec, Agnes,dau of John and Mary Dixon, Post Boy, Cockermouth, Ed Fawcett. 1828 Baptism 1st June, Martha dau of William Dixon, shoemaker, and Jane Irving, spinster, Workington, Ed Fawcett hope these are of some use to some one Patricia Clews

Thanks Ann, Sarah Reveley from the CUMBERLAND List has scanned extracts from her copy of the first book, and the Whitehaven CRO has the second, which I am using currently. I have written a paper about Brownrigg from various sources, and a little on Wood and Anthony Bacon, followed up by an attempt to prove that a local building may be Brownrigg's laboratory. I also have a photograph of this building as it was in 1929, and as it is now. If anyone is interested in any of this I can forward it on, and if we get the go ahead to dig it out and interpret it, volunteers would be welcome. Dave Researcher West Cumbria Mines Research Group ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Brownrigg" <rmbcgg@racsa.co.cr> To: <ENG-CUL-COPELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 7:16 PM Subject: [CUL-COP] BROWNRIGG Wm. and WOOD, Charles - for DAVE BANKS > Dave wrote: > > <I'm currently researching the life of William Brownrigg of Whitehaven > 1711-1800, and have discovered that his brother-in-law, a Charles Wood,... > <snip> > You might like to read the following on the above named: > > Joseph Gross (ed) - 'The Diary of Charles Wood of Cyfarthfa Ironworks, > Merthyr Tydfil 1766-1767' (Merton Priory Press Ltd., 67 Merthyr Road, > Whitchurch, Cardiff CF14 1DD, 2002). > > Jean E. Ward and Joan Yell - 'The Medical Casebook of William Brownrigg MD, > FRS (1712-1800) of the Town of Whitehaven in Cumberland' (Wellcome > Institute, London, 1993). (Kindness H. Brownrigg) > > Hope this helps your project, > Ann Brownrigg >

Hello list, I am looking for a kind soul who might give me some help. I thought I would try this list for a change as opposed to the cumberland list. A kind lady on the Cumberland list found this for me: ROBERT PERIE. born 23.10.1766, St Nicholas, Whitehaven, Cumberland. Son of Mary Perie Does anyone have access to the parish records from St Nicholas and perhaps look this entry up to see what other information might be had. It doesnt sound as if the father was put in the record. Any help greatly appreciated. Thank you Carol/NZ

Dave wrote: <I'm currently researching the life of William Brownrigg of Whitehaven 1711-1800, and have discovered that his brother-in-law, a Charles Wood,... <snip> You might like to read the following on the above named: Joseph Gross (ed) - 'The Diary of Charles Wood of Cyfarthfa Ironworks, Merthyr Tydfil 1766-1767' (Merton Priory Press Ltd., 67 Merthyr Road, Whitchurch, Cardiff CF14 1DD, 2002). Jean E. Ward and Joan Yell - 'The Medical Casebook of William Brownrigg MD, FRS (1712-1800) of the Town of Whitehaven in Cumberland' (Wellcome Institute, London, 1993). (Kindness H. Brownrigg) Hope this helps your project, Ann Brownrigg

Might be worth saying that the survival rate among illegitimate children wasn't nearly as high as among legitimate ones. Whether that was deliberate neglect or a natural consequence of a lack of family and/or financial support, I wouldn't like to say. Anyway, always check the burial registers after an illegitimate baptism. Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net

Carol Orr writes: <snip> >I am looking for a kind soul who might give me some help. I thought I would try this list for a change as opposed to the cumberland list. Thank you >A kind lady on the Cumberland list found this for me: >ROBERT PERIE. born 23.10.1766, St Nicholas, Whitehaven, Cumberland. Son of Mary Perie >Does anyone have access to the parish records from St Nicholas and perhaps look this entry up to see what other information might be had. It doesnt sound as if the father was put in the record. Any help greatly appreciated. The Whitehaven and St Bees records aren't wonderful. There tend to be very few extra details. These records have been published and one of our subscribers, at least, has a copy, but she won't be around for another couple of weeks at least. I can do a look up the nest time I'm at the SOG in London, possibly on Friday but maybe not till later. You've probably considered these options already, but just some thoughts ... The entry sounds as though Robert was illegitimate and that Perie was Mary's maiden name. There are Mary Perry IGI baptisms in Cockermouth and Workington that would fit the bill, but I couldn't see anything for Whitehaven. That Robert was illegitimate would seem likely as Mary Perie would appear to have had another fatherless child in 1759 (Betty). So one possibility is that she was, ahem, providing intimate services for the sailors of the town, and made a couple of mistakes. Another alternative is that Mary was a widow, her husband having just died. Such posthumous births often just list the mother's name. So looking at the burial register for that year might give you the husband's name, if you are lucky. Of course, he may well have been a sailor that died at sea. There is a John Peary who married Mary Burges in 1751; but I can't see any other baptisms with these listed as parents. Another possibility is that the child was illegitimate but she married the father later. Worth looking at later marriages. I don't like to say this, but I strongly suspect that you are going to come to a dead end on the father here. I think it's likely to be the 'couple of mistakes' scenario, and she may well have had no idea who the father was. Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net

Hi Carol........ I looked and I still have my emails when I looked once before for you in the St. Nicholas parish records. I couldn't find anything on him then, but did someone else find something? As Chris says, there is not a lot of info in the old parish records. For my brick wall, I just have a name and date for his burial. No birth that I can find. But it would have been nice if they gave 'next of kin' or age or something. Let me know if you want another lookup.......I will be going back next Wednesday. And I do have that parish film on indefinite loan. Cheers.....Heather (was I the 'kind lady from another list'???) Grin. Don't think so, as I couldn't find any more info for you. > Hello list, > > I am looking for a kind soul who might give me some help. I thought I would > try this list for a change as opposed to the cumberland list. A kind lady on > the Cumberland list found this for me: > > ROBERT PERIE. born 23.10.1766, St Nicholas, Whitehaven, Cumberland. Son of > Mary Perie > > Does anyone have access to the parish records from St Nicholas and perhaps > look this entry up to see what other information might be had. It doesnt > sound as if the father was put in the record. Any help greatly appreciated. > Thank you > > Carol/NZ > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Thank you every body that responded to my query on Setmurthy As always very grateful for your help Patricia Clews

I am trying to read a place name on Cockermouth parish records 1819 so any one recognise this or could put me on the right trail SECKMWITHEY or SECKWORITHEY or TECK OR BECK Regards Patricia Clews

RootsWeb have changed their 'Acceptable Use Policy'. The original version was easy to read and the principles were clear. The new version isn't so easy to read (!) - but is, I suppose, much more valid as a legal contract between you, the user, and RootsWeb.com or MyFamily.com, Inc.. Please make sure that you read the new AUP at: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-admin@rootsweb.com ENG-CUL-COPELAND-admin@rootsweb.com

Ann Brownrigg writes: >Mary Nicholson, daughter of Timothy of Whitehaven and Elizabeth >Brownrigg (1710-1738 sister of Dr. Wm. Brownrigg) >married William Benn of Moor End in 1751. If possible, >I would like to learn more about Timothy Nicholson. Another useful source is: 'The Diary of Isaac Fletcher of Underwood, Cumberland, 1756-1781', edited by Angus J.L. Winchester, CWAAS, ISBN 1 873124 20 1 This has two references to a Timothy Nicholson. 1760 October 'Thu 23rd Came to Whitehaven with S. Hudson. Cold weather; wind north. Fri 24th At Whitehaven. Called on T. Nicholson Sat 25th Called yesterday at South Field & got the deeds about Lucey Close.' [oddly enough, I have an interest in the Wilsons of Southfield, Winscales - anyone else interested?] 1761 July 'Fri 31st Went to Whitehaven. With Timothy Nicholson & William Skyrin about business. A fine afternoon.' Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net

Hi everyone I am a new subscriber to the list. I am interested in any connections between GOAD and BLAIN surnames. In particular a marriage between WILLIAM BLAIN and an unknown GOAD, probably around 1826 or before. If anyone is researching these names I would be glad to hear from them. Thanks in advance BarbaraGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Chris D wrote: <snip> >Aha, and the next entry in the book connects the Benns, Brownriggs and Nicholsons.> Mary Nicholson, daughter of Timothy of Whitehaven and Elizabeth Brownrigg (1710-1738 sister of Dr. Wm. Brownrigg) married William Benn of Moor End in 1751. If possible, I would like to learn more about Timothy Nicholson. Thanks, Ann Brownrigg

Thought this site may be of interest to people it is the HM Government online service for Historical manuscripts Commission - never know someone may find something worthwhile in it. Keep up the digging! <A HREF="http://www.hmc.gov.uk/">Historical Manuscripts Commission</A> Just click on the blue to get to the link Pam

Ann Brownrigg wrote: <snip> >He advanced £750 of the proceeds to Anthony Benn, who had >married Mary's niece, Margaret Spedding, half of which was to >be held for Mary in Benn's name. <snip> From the Benn of Hensingham entry in 'Cumberland Families and Heraldry': "Anthony Benn, J.P., (1743-99), High Sheriff of Cumberland 1775, and the builder of Hensingham church 1791. He marr. (1) 1764 Margaret (1744-79), dau, and heir of Lowther Spedding, of Whitehaven ..." Aha, and the next entry in the book connects the Benns, Brownriggs and Nicholsons. Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net