Hi all I am back again. I am researching Haughin's. They seem to be a Cumbland family. I am in contact with a family member in Workington. But we have problem. I have a death cert for a George Haughin. Died 1956 aged 75. He lived at Harcourt St Workington I have a birth cert for a George Haughin , born 1881 April the 3rd , he was born at 5 Bells Place Nelson St Maryport His father was James and his mother was Maria nee Massey Problem none of the family show on the 1881 and 1901 cencus, Why? Could SKS check the 1891 Thanks in advance for any help Cheers Bert --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date: 17/12/2002

Hi looking for the record of someone who sailed in the merchant navy around 1880's I have been told that a Guild Hall in Windsor, may have the records. Does anyone have more information Bert --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date: 17/12/2002

Bert, I don't have access to the actual census but I did a quick check at the LDS FamilySearch and it appears the record is there; If you key in James Hougham he's the 13th entry (#3 under UK Census). Interestingly half the family is spelled Hougham and the other half Houghlin. And according to the GENUKI site the 1881 census was taken on 3 April ; thats close. David

Can anyone please tell me how I can find information about people born,etc. in Ulverstone? circa 1800s. David

David Wylie writes: >Can anyone please tell me how I can find information about people born,etc. in Ulverstone? circa 1800s. One approach, if you haven't already done this, would be to subscribe to the specialist mailing list for the area. You can find details at: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/UK-ULVERSTON-FHS.html I'm sure that the list administrator, Carol Bennett, and the deputy administrator, Lorraine Toleikis, will be able to point you in the right direction if you don't want to send details to the list itself. Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net

I would appreciate an 1891 census look up for No. 10 Gray Street in Workington. At least in 1892 William Carlton lived there, although I don't know as head of household or as a boarder. David

ref: John Irving Carlton of Ewanrigg, Sarah Isabella Birkett wife of Robert Birkett of Waterhouse in the County of Durham & William Carlton of No. 10 Gray Street Workington Below is a message posted on the Boulder, Colorado message board. What she is referring to is I have quite a lot of reference works on Boulder and like to post replies of help there. One of the people I helped said she lived there and if I needed anything she'd be more than happy to look. My foolish reply was "Thanks but I've got all my Boulder research done." HA ! Karen had just posted the County Clerks office site and when I checked it out I saw a record of a Power of Attorney for one name I knew, one I assumed died in infancy and one I had never heard of. Been at this over 25 years and my Carlton line is one of my best documented and here all of a sudden I'm finding 2 adult children I didn't know anything about. David, You've been so helpful to everyone here that you certainly deserve one of those "Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness." I stopped by the recording department and had the document copied. All the good stuff is at the beginning, except for the names of some mayors and solicitors from England. Looks like William was another sibling that stayed in England. --- No. 2510 Power of Attorney John Irving Carlton Sarah Isabella Birkett to William Carlton Filed for record July 7th A. D. 1892 at 3:20 p.m. J. D. Moorhead Recorder To All to whome these presents shall come JohnIrving Carlton of Ewanrigg near Maryport in the County of Cumberland EnglandEngineman and Sarah Isabella Birkett wife of Robert Brickett of Waterhousein the County of Durham England Coal miner Send Greeting. Whereas ThomasCarlton late of Louisville in the County of Boulder and State of Coloradoin the United States of America Mine Manager deceased died on or about the20th day of January A. D. 1892 intestate as we believe and we the said JohnIrving Carlton and Sarah Isabella Birkett as two of the five children ofthe said Thomas Carlton deceased and of Jane Carlton his late wife are severallyand respectively entitled each to one fifth part or share or some other partshare or interest in the lands houses hereditaments chattels and real andpersonal estate of the said Thomas Carleton or of the said Jane Carlton orof the Said Thomas Carlton and Jane Carlton consisting of among other propertyLot number nine (9) in Block number five (5) in the Town of Louisville inthe said County of Boulder and certain personal property in or about thesame and one hundred and sixty five (165) shares of the capital stock ofthe Acme Coal Mining Company standing in the name of the said Thomas Carltonin the books of said Company Need know ye that we the said John Irving Carletonand Sarah Isabella Birkett do jointly and each of us severally and respectivelydoth by these presents make ordain constitute and appoint our brother WilliamCarlton of No. 10 Gray Street Workington in the County of Cumberland EnglandBlast Engineman (who is now about to proceed to Louisville) our true andlawful attorney and the true and lawful attorney of each of us severallyand respectively to sue for ask demand recover and receive of and from theadministrator or administratrix of the said Thomas Carlton or from his executoror executrix if he shall have left a will or from any other person or personsaccountable in respect of the property of the said Thomas Carlton all thedistributive share or shares or interests of and in the personal estate ofthe said Thomas Carlton which we are or each or either of us is by law entitledunto and all sum and sums of money goods chattels and personal estate whatsoeverwhich by our said Father's dying as aforesaid belong or by right ought tobelong to us or either of us out of his estate and upon receipt thereof acquittanceother discharges for us and each of us and in our several names to five tothe administrator or administratrix executor or executrix of our said Fatheror other the person or persons accountable as aforesaid for what our saidattorney shall receive and to make any agreement or composition for our saidshares or interests of and in our said fathers personal estate or for anyother matter or thing due to us respectively from his estate and also withfull power and authority for us and in our several names and for our useto sell and dispose of or to concur with any other person or persons in sellingor disposing of all or any of the OH HELP, THERE'S TWO MORE PAGES OF THIS STUFF!

Tony, The only Ann(e)s buried in St. Michael's Church Yard, Arlecdon between the years 1833 - 1846 are as follows. 16 Sep 1833 Ann Fletcher of Watson House, Egremont Parish, aged 71 9 Mar 1838 Ann Kendal of Moor Row aged 101 30 Jul1839 Ann Yeowart, Whitehaven aged 45 28 Sep 1841 Ann Wright, Frizington Parks aged 3 weeks 6 Jan 1842 Ann Yeates, Rowrah, aged 74 30 Mar 1843 Ann Sherwen, Mite House, Drigg aged 75 7 Jun 1844 Ann Wright Arlecdon, aged 2 22 Oct 1844 Ann Smith, Asby aged 36 Mel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony O'Grady" <ogrady@connexus.net.au> To: <ENG-CUL-COPELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 3:42 AM Subject: [CUL-COP] St. Michael's cemetery, Arlecdon > This request is a very long shot indeed. If there is anyone on the list who finds themselves searching through the graveyard at St. Michael's, Arlecdon, I wonder if they would mind keeping an eye out for an ANNE SUMPTON who was probably buried in a SEWELL (her maiden name) grave. She is not in her husband's family grave. She probably died between 1834 and 1844. >

Les, The Business records (1858-1966) for Cleator Moor Cooperative Society are held at the following office. Cumbria Record Office and Local Studies Library Scotch Street Whitehaven CA28 7BJ Tel (01946) 852920 email: whitehaven.record.office@cumbriacc.gov.uk. Mel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Morris" <les@lmorris64.fsnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-CUL-COPELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 1:23 AM Subject: [CUL-COP] Cleator Moor Cooperative Society > > Can anybody out there point me in the right direction to find records of the > Cleator Moor Cooperative Society? > > I have just discovered that my ggg grandfather Thomas MULLEN was the > Secretary in 1885. > > Thomas is my brick wall at the moment so you can imagine how excited I was > when my great Aunt provided me with this information. > > Les > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Wondering if anyone has a DUMIGAN (any spelling) in their research. My ggrandfather, John Jackson DUMIGAN b. abt 1865 is the son of John Dumigan and Mary Jackson b. Ire. Research on him prior to his marriage to Dorothey Henderson in Maryport 1887, has been at a brick wall for a long, long time. Jackie

Petra Mitchinson writes: <snip> >Hi Mike, > >Regarding Ruth's occupation: Could it have been "Ind." meaning >"of independent means"? It looks as if she was a widow, and her >husband may have provided her with a regular income in his will. <snip> > >> Hi Sue! >> >> I looked for your Fletchers in the 1841 census in Little >>Clifton (in the parish of Workington) and found the >>following: <snip> >> Some of the writing wasn't quite clear to me. 'Ruth' might >>possibly have been Beth or Sarah. Under her occupation >>was something that looked like 'Gend' or 'Bend' - anyone >>else any ideas what this could be? Ah, good thought. With exactly the same ultimate meaning, I wonder now whether this could have been 'Bond' (well, I am at this moment watching 007 on TV) - meaning 'bond holder', a holder of Government Bonds. Soon-to-be-deceased husbands often left their widows a fixed income in this form. Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net

Hi Mike, Regarding Ruth's occupation: Could it have been "Ind." meaning "of independent means"? It looks as if she was a widow, and her husband may have provided her with a regular income in his will. Petra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Holliday" <mike@holli.co.uk> To: <ENG-CUL-COPELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [CUL-COP] FLETCHER > Hi Sue! > > I looked for your Fletchers in the 1841 census in Little Clifton (in the > parish of Workington) and found the following: > > Ruth Fletcher, age 50 > Isaac Fletcher age 20, tailor > Margaret Fletcher, age 20 > William Fletcher, age 15 > Mary Fletcher, age 12 > > Some of the writing wasn't quite clear to me. 'Ruth' might possibly have > been Beth or Sarah. Under her occupation was something that looked like > 'Gend' or 'Bend' - anyone else any ideas what this could be?

Thanks to Dorothy for her info on the family of Isaac Fletcher. I did actually have baptisms for Jane and Joseph and assumed they must have died before the census of 1851. The verification of that is very helpful. Dorothy are you connected to this family in some way? I don't have the maiden name of Margaret, Isaacs wife and have been barking up the wrong tree about that. Could someone possibly look for their marriage, presumably in Clifton around 1840 as it not available on IGI for that period. I would be most grateful Many thanks Sue.

Looking for information on a William and Mary Hodgson nee Sharp of Eskdale 1800's to 1900's Son: Joseph born circa 1877 emigrated to Canada in 1903 married Agnes Brocklebank born 1881 Drigg Cumberland emigrated to Canada 1904 They did not know each other before they met in Indian head, Canada. Looking for information on Josephs parents and any siblings Thank you Patricia Clews

Thanks Mel...... It was very definitely two *d's*, not *t's*. Some of the writing was olde english and the odd thing such as one date was the old Latin way of writing it. So if I wasn't 100% sure on the spelling, I put a question mark. They also had a nasty habit in those days of putting a 'swirl' at the end of a word.......which could consist of a few letters.....as in "Mires" which could have been "Mirehouse". I got my practice interpreting Wills from 1500 and 1535 in Norwich (which I really must finish)......and boy, any resemblance to present day formation of letters is non-existent!! But I typed Wills for many years when working in law and there is really not that much difference from 1500 to the late 1900's.......other than spending a whole page worrying about one's soul making it safely to the other side. (G) Heather > Rothersike is a hamlet straddling the road from St. Bees to Beckermet > and roughly 3 miles from St. Bees village. > > Properties there include Rothersyke Farm which had several dwellings > associated with it > and Rothersyke House a mansion built around 1850 for Henry Jefferson > ship and plantation owner and wine merchant. > > Howman is a rather fine old house on the same road about a mile from St. > Bees. > > Roddersyke is how Rothersyke would have been pronounced by the locals in > those days. > > Mel > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Ann, Rothersyke is just over a mile SSW of Egremont, and Howman is a mile SE of St Bees, and two miles WSW of Egremont. The former was a gentlemans country house or mansion, the latter is a farm near the coast. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Brownrigg" <rmbcgg@racsa.co.cr> To: <ENG-CUL-COPELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 12:43 AM Subject: [CUL-COP] Brownriggs of St.Bees & St.Nicholas > Many thanks, Heather, for the subject. I think that Roddersike?, might be > 'Trodosike'. Has anyone ever heard of this estate? I also wonder where > 'Howman' is in Cumbria? > Any help would be most appreciated. > Ann Brownrigg. > > ______________________________

I just stumbled on to a piece of information that has me stumped. Found the Boulder County, Colorado Clerks Office site that has an index to their records. Quick outline - My family of Carltons came from Cumberland County, England in 1880. Thomas (1824-1892) & Jane (McClean/McLean)(1818-1891) Carlton had (in England): Sarah Isabella (1845-?) - last data 1851 census David (1848-1892)- emigrated to Colorado with father John Irving (1851-?)- remained in Cumberland Mary Jane (1853-1933)- emigrated to Colorado with father Stewart McLean (1856-1860)- died young in Cumberland Thomas's brother John (1838-1913) had already emigrated to Colorado. Thomas and son David owned a coal mine. In Dec 1891 Thomas's wife Jane died ; in Jan 1892 Thomas died ; and in June 1892 David died. What I just found was - filed in Boulder County, Colorado on 7 July 1892 John Irving Carlton and Sarah Isabel Birkett gave Power of Attorney to William Carlton. I'm certain that this was triggered by the 3 deaths in sudden sucession, and that they weren't "local", and therefore sure these are the 2 children who stayed in Cumberland. Quick check of Free BMD & IGI and saw nothing on a Carlton / Birkett marriage. Do not have a William Carlton in my data base alive in 1892 (although William was a name used often in my line). And would have to think he'd be "local". When rechecking files noted that in the 1880 U.S. Federal census John Carlton (brother of Thomas) had enumerated with him an Edward Hudson (1869-?) and a Hannah Hudson (1872-?) as nephew and neice. (His wife's maiden name was Campbell). And finally, during WW I, my Carltons traded letters with an "Aunt Bella" in Cumberland, who then forwarded to an Ann Pearson in Washington, D.C. who then forwarded to her daughter Annice Pearson in Chicago who then passed on to Jane Carlton (David's wife) in Colorado. HELP. Who were the husband Birkett, William Carlton, the Hudson children and the Pearsons ? Would be real nice to tie all these togeather. David

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Brownrigg" <rmbcgg@racsa.co.cr> > I think that Roddersike?, might be > 'Trodosike'. Has anyone ever heard of this estate? I also wonder where > 'Howman' is in Cumbria? > Any help would be most appreciated. > Ann Brownrigg. Ann, Rothersike is a hamlet straddling the road from St. Bees to Beckermet and roughly 3 miles from St. Bees village. Properties there include Rothersyke Farm which had several dwellings associated with it and Rothersyke House a mansion built around 1850 for Henry Jefferson ship and plantation owner and wine merchant. Howman is a rather fine old house on the same road about a mile from St. Bees. Roddersyke is how Rothersyke would have been pronounced by the locals in those days. Mel

Many thanks, Heather, for the subject. I think that Roddersike?, might be 'Trodosike'. Has anyone ever heard of this estate? I also wonder where 'Howman' is in Cumbria? Any help would be most appreciated. Ann Brownrigg.

David Henwood wrote (not in this order): >I have contacted the genealogist of LEWTHWAITE at Broadgates, >Millom but they have no trace. That's a problem. If this Lewthwaite genealogist is doing a one-name study, then she/he will probably already have accessed some of the things below. If the genealogist is only interested in the one Lewthwaite family at Broadgate, then perhaps not. >Boyd Marriage Index recorded a marriage, by special licence at >Stoke Damerel between John, mariner of HMS Renown, and >Catherine THOMAS on 28/1/1781 >He had one son, William Thomas who was baptised at Stoke >Damerel, Devon, on 2/8/1787 - we are descended from him You may have already done this, but here goes. The IGI confirms what you say. There don't seem to be any other Lewthwaites at Stoke Damerel. Interesting that William Thomas was baptised so long after the marriage. Was that simply because, er, conjugal bliss was intermittent with Thomas being away at sea. Or, maybe, was she sailing with him and this was the first chance to have the boy baptised at home? Wives and families were known to sail the seven seas on HMS, but I don't know whether it happened at this time. If it did, you might want to think about extending his age? Any comments, anyone? --- If you haven't already done so, get access to the parish registers for Stoke Damerel. There are lots of entries for THOMAS on the IGI, so you may learn a lot about the mother's family. There may well, of course, be additional information anyway about your known ancestors - possibly burials. The parish registers are available on LDS film and can be ordered at your local LDS FHC. There are 9 films: 0916919 -0916927. --- Your mention of Ship Muster Rolls suggests that you have already looked at naval records. However, if you haven't looked at the PRO leaflets on this, it would be worth doing so - might give you a few extra ideas: Royal Navy: Ratings' Service Records 1667-1923 Royal Navy: Officers' Service Records at: http://www.pro.gov.uk/leaflets/Riindex.asp --- Probate. I know, I go on and on about probate. Mariners were more likely to make wills than others of a comparable social status, simply because death was always so close and back pay often so far away. You probably need to think about three probate jurisdictions: the Prerogative Court of Canterbury (PCC), the Deanery of Copeland (for Millom, etc., all probate being on LDS film), and the Archdeaconry of Totnes or of Barnstaple or of Exeter for Devon (I don't know which Stoke Damerel falls under). The problem is that probate records for the latter were destroyed by enemy action in 1942, but some indexes and copies do exist. An index to Copeland Probate (ISBN 1 871420 09 1) exists and can still be purchased through a bookshop. There are 49 entries for Lewthwaite, including a number for the Lewthwaites at Broadgate. Two of those, in 1790 and 1836, could be your John. I would be inclined towards the 1790 one, unless you know from Muster Rolls that he was alive after that date, simply because the lack of children sounds a bit ominous. There is a 10-line entry for the Lewthwaites of Broadgate in 'Cumberland Families and Heraldry'. Hmm, baronets, no less; and still the owners of the Broadgate estate. Your final option is to start going through the parish registers of the areas that were thick with Lewthwaites. Some of these will be available on LDS film, others only available through the Whitehaven (or Barrow?) record office Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net