Very many thanks to everyone who looked up old maps, googled, suggested alternative spellings etc. Unfortunately this street still remains a mystery. The census entry is wonderfully clearly written. A suggestion to account for the naming of this street was provided by Sue : "Wonder if its name is to do with Dronfield steel works in Derbyshire that closed down in 1882 when Cammel found that Workington was a better location. A lot of the people "Dronies" came along too." and this sounds good to me. Regards, Jennifer.

Could anyone who may have had a relative on a "Victuellers of Workington" day trip out 1900 -1912 contact me off list please. Regards, Sue.

List, In response to my recent posts of certificate witnesses I've gotten some great replies. One thread is going - the informant for the death of David McClean, in Harrington in 1839, was Mary [appears to be] Gribbin. One lister mentioned that David had a daughter Mary baptized 1811 in Harrington. Wonder if this is her ? Anyone familiar with a McClean / Gribbin marriage ? David

List, I must apologize for a recent post of mine titled "Name Evolution" ; it was disingenuous and misleading. And I should know better. While scanning some certificates to send to a list member I reviewed one from 1993 that I had not looked at since. For some reason I had it in my mind that the spelling of a child's middle name in 1860 had changed to "McLean" ; it had not not. He was listed as Stuart McClean Carlton. I can be very harsh on those who research and transcribe poorly ; fairness dictates no double standard. David Knowles

I have been given a copy of a marriage certificate for William Ratcliffe and Frances Walker who married 13 August 1881 at St. Bees. Both were aged 21, William a Stoker of Egremont, son of James a Tanner and Frances a spinster of Moor Close, St. Bees, daughter of William a husbandman. I understand that the couple emigrated to Argentina where William worked on the railways. There are apparently no passenger records in Argentina. Can anyone suggest any other line of approach? I have tried the Emigration website but the only query relating to emigration to Argentina around that time has been left unanswered. I have no personal interest in this other than an Isaac Mossop was named as a witness at the wedding though he does not appear to have been a relative but I will pass any suggestions on to the enquirer. He is asking if any record would be kept by the port, ship, passport office or railway company. Any ideas? Jill

MORTON John & Mary MALLOY were witnesses to the marriage of Joseph CUNNINGHAM & Mary WILTSHIRE on 30th August 1826 at St Bees.. Do these names look familiar to anyone..... Kind regards Annie(Taiwan)

Am more than happy to scan and forward copies of anything I receive. Buzz me. David

In most cases don't know who they are ; and am probably not related. 1.1839 Lowca, Harrington Whitehaven (witness at a death, "Her mark") Mary Gribbin (unfortunately it is indistinct ; there is a "b" in November and an "l" in McClean that either one could fit - it may be Grilbin, Griblin, or Grillin). 2.1839 Lowca, Harrington Whitehaven Registrar Thomas Harrison 3.1879 Dearham "Cause of death certified by" "John Creraz M.R.C.P. & L.R.C.S.E." [The "z" is questionable (and may be an "r") and the "&" may be an "E"] 4.1879 Dearham Registrar Thomas Discon [The "c" does not match the other lower case "c"s on the page but it also has no tail so is probably not a lower case "g"] David

Just received the death certificate for David "Mc Clean" father of Jane (McLean) Carlton. David died in 1839 and the surname is "Mc Clean". I have seen Jane listed as a Mc Clean and as a McLean. Jane's youngest son (born June 1856 and died 17 March 1860) was listed on his death certificate as Stewart "McLean'" Carlton. In just 21 years the surname dropped the 2nd "C". Which is comparable to the Carltons - in roughly the same time period, my line, went from Carleton to Carlton. David

On a death certificate from 1878 - there is no listing for parents, place of birth, etc. But this is the entry under "Signature, description and residence of informant" - "David Carlton, Son in Law, in attendance, Craika Terrace, Dearham." Every document is valuable ! David

Just received 2 death certificates from the GRO. God I love this hobby. David

Hi List, Owners of my book entitled Copeland Wills 1547 to 1857 may wish to add the extra information taken from a roll of microfilm that appeared out of an unknown black hole during the summer of 2000. Such events should not happen according to Professor Hawking but I suspect that his ideas of our universe do not encompass the likes of the 'strong room' at the Castle ! The film covers letters U, V and Y for the period 1700 to 1747. If you wish to have this extra data then please send me a direct E-Mail and I will reply enclosing the extras as an attachment in Word format. This computer is virus protected. Nev.Ramsden

Hi everyone, I've just got a 1901 census entry which gives Dronfield Terrace, Workington as the address. Can anyone tell me where this was? I have a modern street map and know my way round Workington. Any help gratefully received. Jennifer from Leeds.

The 1828 29 Pigot Commercial Directory shows 4 listings for Jefferson on Lowther Street Whitehaven. I am familiar with 3 of these: a.. Nobility, Gentry, Clergy Jefferson, Hen. esq. 80 Lowther b.. Merchants & Ship Owners Jefferson, H&R (West India) Low- c.. Wine & Spirit Merchants Jefferson, Hen. & Sons Lowther St. The other listing is as follows: a.. Roman Cement Dealers Jefferson & Sons, Lowther St. Of course, my question is whether this is the same Jefferson & Sons that sells wine and trades with the West Indies? One clue might be that the first three Jefferson entries all have at least the initial H of Henry in the entry -- but that may not mean anything. My Concise Oxford Dictionary says that Roman Cement is the trade name for a hydraulic cement named after the ancient Roman kind. Under hydraulic cement, the Concise says "hardening under water", which leads me to believe that a Roman Cement Dealer was probably involved in waterfront projects. _____________________ Tim Anderson Gaithersburg, Maryland

I seem to reme,ber someone was looking for Topping is this of any use - from Bishops Transcripts Marriage of William Beeby to Mary Topping December 8th 1728 these are in the cockermouth transcripts. Pam

Hi Again..... Here are the rest of them........from Holy Trinity and St. James. One Dockeray in here, Anne. Cheers.......Heather Holy Trinity BT’s, Film 90678, Parish of St. Bees....... Marriages...... 19 April 1770 - Lancelot DICKINSON & Jane Westra 16 Sept 1819 - Mary DICKINSON, widow, & James DAWES, mariner, by banns, Witnesses: Richard DURANT & Isaac KIRKBRIDE 24 Sept.1819 - William COULTHARD, mariner, & Jane CALLOW, single woman, by Licence, Witnesses: Ann DICKINSON & Mary PONSONBY 2 Oct. 1819 - John COULTHARD & Elizabeth WALTER, by Banns Witnesses: Isaac KIRKBRIDE & Robert PAYNE. ST. JAMES PARISH RECORDS......Film 90680..... Baptisms.... 7 April 1816 - John, son of John & Margaret COULTHARD of New Lowther St., Whitehaven, Mariner. 19 May 1816 - Isabella, daughter of William & Elizabeth DOCKERAY, father labourer, of Harris near Whitehaven 6 Oct 1816 - Joseph, son of Wilkinson & Ann MOSSOP of George St., Whitehaven, father a Joiner. 15 Dec. 1816 - John, son of Jane (or June) MOSSOP of Scotch St., Whitehaven, Single Woman. 31 Dec. 1816 - Jane, daughter of Adam SCOTT & Jane PEILE, OF Cankickle near Whitehaven, a Brewer.

Hi All........ I found a lot of Mossops and Dickinsons and one Borrowdale, while looking up something for another List Member. And I had told Jill I would keep an eye out for her Mossops.........and thought I would keep the Listowner happy as well......grin!! So here is Part One of what I found........this is strictly for St. Nicholas BT's.........I will put Holy Trinity and St. James out later. Have fun. Hope these help someone. Cheers.....Heather Transcriptions from Whitehaven Parish Records St. Nicholas BT’s, LDS Film #90658....... Baptisms...... 16 June 1816 - Joseph, son of David & Sarah DICKINSON, husbandman, of St. Bees. 4 Jan. 1816 - Mary, daughter of Jonathan & Elizabeth BORROWDALE, Coulderton, husbandman, according to Certificate of Borrowdale transmitted (hard to read) 3 Nov 1816 - Sarah, daughter of Richard & Sarah DICKINSON, Lowrigg, farmer. 25 March 1832 - Jane, daughter of Henry & Eleanor MOSSOP, farmer, Endside. 17 Apr. 1832 - Sharp, son of William & Ann MOSSOP, St. Bees, labourer 15 July 1838 - these are definitely twins..........2 separate entries of course. Jill verified that. Catherine ........and Anne........ both daughters of Clement & Martha MOSSOP, Rottington Hall, farmer. 18 Sept 1839 - John? son of Henry & Mary MOSSOP, Desmesne, farmer 24 May 1840 - John, son of Henry & Eleanor MOSSOP, Endside, farmer 2 Oct. 1840 - Henry, son of Clement & Martha MOSSOP, Rottington Hall, farmer 11 Oct. 1840 - Isabella, daughter of William & Ann MOSSOP, St. Bees, Yeoman. 12 March 1843 - Jane, daughter of Henry & Mary MOSSOP, Desmesne (Demesne?), farmer 4 August 1844 - Elizabeth, daughter of Henry & Eleanor MOSSOP, Endside, Lowside Quarter, farmer. 20 Aug. 1848 - William, son of Joseph & Elizabeth COULTHARD, St. Bees, husbandman Burials...... 25 Nov 1800 - Nicholas DICKINSON, of Rothersike, died 23 Nov. age 27 5 Feb. 1801 - Anthony DICKINSON, St. Bees, Gentleman, died Feb. 2nd, age 72 5 Jan 1838 - Sarah DICKENSON, Loughrigg, 63 years 27 March 1838 - Mary Ann MOSSOP, 10 years, Whitehaven 25 June 1838 - Sharp MOSSOP, St. Bees, 5 years 26 July 1840 - Mary DICKENSON, George St., Whitehaven, 26 years 12 July 1840 - Mary MOSSOP, Preston Hows?, 65 years (Ceremony by R. COULTHARD, Officiating Minister) 10 Feb 1843 - Clement MOSSOP, 8 years old, Rottington 21 April 1843 - Ann MOSSOP, 70 years, St. Bees. 2 April 1843 - Henry MOSSOP, 2 years old, Rottington 4 March 1844 - Jane Ann BORROWDALE, Coulderton, 26 years 26 April 1844, William COULTHARD, St. Bees, 9 months old. 31 March 1845 - Martha MOSSOP, 46 years, Rottington 14 Aug 1845 - Isabella MOSSOP, Coulderton, 79 years

Saturday, January 18, 2003, 2:54:57 AM, you wrote: Cac> She said they called her Jennie so not to confuse the 2 Janes Cac> (her & the aunt). Jan, Could it have started out as her being called Janie - to distinguish her from Jane - and this evolved to Jennie over time? -- Cheers, Anne mailto:docwras@yahoo.co.uk The Docwra Family Research Project http://resource.at/docwra

I have been out of town and came back to read that others have had the same printing problem. I read the correct solution but now cannot find that message. So thanks to whoever posted the approach of saving the image file rather than trying to use the web sites print commands. In summary, what now works for me (using Internet Explorer) is to right click the directory page, and then click on the "Save Picture As" menu option. This saves the entire directory page to your hard drive (or where ever you direct). Then the entire page can be filed, printed, edited, etc. with the program that you use to view images. Thanks again for the simple solution to a problem that was preventing my full enjoyment of the wonderful Digital Directories site. _____________________ Tim Anderson Gaithersburg, Maryland

Coupland List, There is little to add the erudite explanation of the workings of the probate system given by Chris, except to say the court ( Consistory or Commissary) was only convened for large or complex wills or administrations - particularly when there was a dispute. The run of the mill probate cases were dealt with by a local clergyman (Surrogate) who had been given powers by an Ecclesiastical Court to deal with these matters. Nev.Ramsden