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    1. Re: [CUL-COP] Dronfield Terrace Workington
    2. Hi Jennifer, Your elusive Dronfield Terrace has been found. It was at Westfield, but not quite where Westfield is today. It was at the Harrington end of Mossbay. Dronfield Terrace consisted of 32 houses numbered 180 to 242. There were other roads,some of which have been removed and others which remain as part of Westfield as it is today. Congratulations will be passed on to Keith my friend in the North, Regards, Sue

    01/29/2003 07:26:29
    1. Re: [CUL-COP] BIRKETTS Of Cockermouth
    2. Patricia, Of immense help ; thank you very much for your post of the Birketts of Cockermouth. I'm getting there , someday I'll solve this puzzle. David ps I'll keep my eye out for Brocklebanks. When I last studied the 1851 Census for "Cockermouth district #570" there were 60 different divisions (parishes, townships, etc) for Cockermouth. (Now some, like "Parish of Brigham" had 11 "townships"). The stats I got off the front of the census (some of which didn't add up so I re-added) say there were 38,306 total residents in Cockermouth District in 1851. Sounds like a lot but it's far better than London, Manchester or New York. In a message dated 1/28/03 9:55:14 AM Central Standard Time, ashpat@tinyonline.co.uk writes: <snip>> > hope these are of help to someone, i have no connection with this name, > just noted them while researching my Brocklebanks. > > Regards > Patricia Clews > >

    01/28/2003 04:08:16
    1. [CUL-COP] BIRKETTS Of Cockermouth
    2. ashpat
    3. Birkett's of Cockermouth 1774 Baptism Martha dau of Joseph and Elizabeth Birkett, ? March, 11 weeks old 1778 Baptism 13th Dec, William son of Joseph Birkett 1816 Baptism 10th Nov, Annie, dau of Flemming and Jane Birkett, Husbandman, Cockermouth, Ed Fawcett. 1816 Burial 30th Nov, Mary Birkett, 63, Cockermouth, Ed Fawcett. 1816 Burial 29th Dec, Joseph Birkett, Infant, Cockermouth, Ed Fawcett. 1817 Baptism 25th Feb, Jonathon, son of John and Isabella Birkett, Weaver, Cockermouth, Ed Fawcett. 13th July, Isabella, dau of Henry and Esther Birkett, Joiner, Cockermouth, Ed Fawcett. 5th Oct, James son of James and Mary Birkett, Waller, Cockermouth, Ed Fawcett. 1817 Burial 22nd Aug, Ann Birkett, 33, Cockermouth, Ed Fawcett. 1819 Baptism 7th Feb, Isabella, dau of John and Isabella Birkett, Draper, Cockermouth, Ed Fawcett. 1820 Baptism 10th Dec, Elizabeth dau of Flemming and Jane Birkett, Husbandman, Cockermouth, Ed Fawcett. 1820 Burial 5th July, Elizabeth Birkett, 64, Cockermouth, Ed Fawcett. 1829 Baptism 6th Dec, Esther, Joseph and Mary Birkett, Sawyer, Cockermouth, Ed Fawcett. 1830 Baptism 28th Nov, Sarah dau john and Ruth, Shoemaker, Cockermouth, Ed Fawcett. 1832 Burial 20th may, Sarah Birkett, 1, Cockermouth, Ed Fawcett. hope these are of help to someone, i have no connection with this name, just noted them while researching my Brocklebanks. Regards Patricia Clews

    01/28/2003 08:05:08
    1. [CUL-COP] Freecensus Project
    2. Carol Barber
    3. Hello My name is Carol Barber and I am a Co-ordinator for the FreeCensus Project for Yorkshire and Durham, some of you may already know of the project. It involves transcribing the 1891 Census from fiche, therefore access to a fiche reader is necessary, and uploaded to the FreeCensus Website for free for view access. At the moment we have 4 pieces uploaded for Yorkshire and in the very near future more will be added - the URL is http://freecen.rootsweb.com to see the overall project. The software necessary for the project can be downloaded from the website and location is no problem as the fiche will be posted to you by myself. We are looking for volunteers who would like to help with the transcriptions. If you would like further information about what is involved, please contact me at the above address. Regards Carol FreeCensus Co-ordinator for Durham and Yorkshire http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~westridingyorkshire

    01/26/2003 03:49:10
    1. [CUL-COP] Re: [CUL-CAR] Part 2 of the Nuggets!!
    2. Anne
    3. Monday, January 20, 2003, 9:27:54 PM, Heather wrote: HF> One Dockeray in here, Anne. Noted Heather - thank you :-) -- Cheers, Anne mailto:docwras@yahoo.co.uk The Docwra Family Research Project http://resource.at/docwra

    01/26/2003 11:30:29
    1. [CUL-COP] Re: [CUL-CAR] 1851 census look-up please - SCOTT
    2. Edgar Iredale
    3. On Saturday 25 Jan 2003 6:33 pm, Petra Mitchinson wrote: > William MITCHINSON and Sarah SCOTT were married at St. Mary, > Carlisle, on 16 Oct 1852. Both their addresses were given as Milburn > Street. They emigrated to Melbourne on the "Miles Barton", which left > Liverpool on 27 Apr 1853. With them was their 10-month-old daughter > Jane Elizabeth, who clearly must have been born before their > marriage. A birthday book belonging to a descendant gives Jane > Elizabeth's birth as 10 Mar 1852. (Perhaps her age on the passenger > list was her age when they booked the ticket?) According to her > daughter's birth certificate in NZ, Jane was born in Carlisle. > > I'm having problems finding Jane Elizabeth's birth. She was not > registered as MITCHINSON. There is only one Jane Elizabeth SCOTT born > in Cumberland in the civil registration indexes for 1852, and that is > in March 1852 in Cockermouth District. There is no matching baptism > in the IGI. > > Sarah SCOTT herself was baptised in Caldbeck on 07 Nov 1830, daughter > of Isaac SCOTT and Jane late SIBSON, who had been married in Caldbeck > in 1829 (all from IGI). But Caldbeck is in Wigton District, not > Cockermouth. > > I thought it might help to find Sarah SCOTT and/or her parents Isaac > and Jane SCOTT on the 1851 census - if the parents lived in > Cockermouth District, that would make it more likely that the birth > of Jane Elizabeth in Cockermouth District is correct. I cannot find > any of them in the Carlisle Part 1 and 2 transcript and index (except > for William MITCHINSON, who lived in Denton Holm). > > Can anybody with an index for the 1851 census for the other parts of > Carlisle, for Caldbeck or for anywhere in Cockermouth District have a > look for the following people please? > > Sarah SCOTT, age 20 - she gives her profession as grocer at her > marriage, but later worked as a dressmaker. She was probably born in > Caldbeck (possibly Hesket Newmarket). Isaac SCOTT, grocer, and his > wife Jane SCOTT - they are likely to be in their 40s. > > Many thanks, > > Petra Petra, My ggggrandmother was a Sarah Scott - a different one. My one married John Iredale at St Michael's Workington on 8Feb1832. She had 4 sisters (Martha, Mary, Ann, Margaret) and two brothers (Isaac b10Sep1816 and John b1May1819). I _think_ her parents were Isaac Scott bap3Feb1765 at Brigham m.16Nov1801 Mary ? I further think that this Isaac's parents were John Scott and Martha. Family memories suggest our Sarah Scott came from Ecclefechan in Scotland and that she had a strong Scottish accent. How that fits with Isaac from Brigham I've no idea. In our family she must have been a personality because two of her grandchildren were called Sarah Scott Iredale. I haven't looked into the Scotts as I had assumed it to be a common Border name and thought I'd get lost. The IGI has another Sarah Scott who married 5Apr1755 Thomas Iredale at Whitehaven, but I don't know if I have any connection with these two. It seems very unlikely. I hope that is some interest. If you find a connection I'd love to hear about it. Edgar

    01/26/2003 04:09:20
    1. [CUL-COP] Correction, not census but B.M.D.
    2. Sorry, didnt mean census, I meant B.M.D. Sue.

    01/26/2003 02:48:22
    1. [CUL-COP] Increase in charge of certificates
    2. Just to keep people informed andif you want to get in early for certificates. Revised Certificate Fees Revised fees for certificates will come into effect on 1 April 2003. The standard fee for a full certificate of birth, marriage, death or adoption will be £7.00. Certificate Fees Each year the fees charged for certificates by the General Register Office are reviewed during the months of October/November. Our aim in setting the statutory fee is to ensure that ONS only recovers the costs relating to the service provided. The efficiency measures implemented over the last few years have meant that we have been able to maintain the current level of fees for the last 4 years. The review undertaken this year highlighted that, despite the efficiency measures and in order to meet our costs, certificate fees would have to be increased by 50 pence. Changes to the statutory fee have to be included in an Order agreed by the minister and laid before Parliament. This was completed in December 2002. For applications taken at the FRC, the revised fees, as from 1 April 2003, are as follows: Standard Service Full certificate of birth, marriage or death £7.00 Full certificate of adoption £7.00 Short certificate of birth £7.00 Short certificate of adoption £5.50 Priority Service Full certificate of birth, marriage or death £23.00 Full certificate of adoption £23.00 Short certificate of birth £23.00 Short certificate of adoption £21.50 The administration fee charged in cases where we are unable to produce a certificate will remain the same. This means that refunds will increase to £4.00. The complete list of revised fees will be included on the ONS website at www.statistics.gov.uk and displayed at the FRC in the near future. Charges at Local Register Offices are also being increased by 50 pence. Did you know....applications for certificates have increased by 52% in the past six years. The total number of applications received at Southport increased from 545,272 in 1996/1997 to 827,076 in 2001/2002 Pam

    01/25/2003 11:54:20
    1. Re: [CUL-COP] 1851 census look-up please - SCOTT
    2. ashpat
    3. Petra She is not in the Cockermouth Part 2 1851 There are not many Scotts, but there is a Isaac Scott age 25, shoe maker born Papcastle with wife Elizabeth age26 born, Cockermouth, could be related! I don't have Part one Patricia

    01/25/2003 12:02:10
    1. [CUL-COP] 1851 census look-up please - SCOTT
    2. Petra Mitchinson
    3. William MITCHINSON and Sarah SCOTT were married at St. Mary, Carlisle, on 16 Oct 1852. Both their addresses were given as Milburn Street. They emigrated to Melbourne on the "Miles Barton", which left Liverpool on 27 Apr 1853. With them was their 10-month-old daughter Jane Elizabeth, who clearly must have been born before their marriage. A birthday book belonging to a descendant gives Jane Elizabeth's birth as 10 Mar 1852. (Perhaps her age on the passenger list was her age when they booked the ticket?) According to her daughter's birth certificate in NZ, Jane was born in Carlisle. I'm having problems finding Jane Elizabeth's birth. She was not registered as MITCHINSON. There is only one Jane Elizabeth SCOTT born in Cumberland in the civil registration indexes for 1852, and that is in March 1852 in Cockermouth District. There is no matching baptism in the IGI. Sarah SCOTT herself was baptised in Caldbeck on 07 Nov 1830, daughter of Isaac SCOTT and Jane late SIBSON, who had been married in Caldbeck in 1829 (all from IGI). But Caldbeck is in Wigton District, not Cockermouth. I thought it might help to find Sarah SCOTT and/or her parents Isaac and Jane SCOTT on the 1851 census - if the parents lived in Cockermouth District, that would make it more likely that the birth of Jane Elizabeth in Cockermouth District is correct. I cannot find any of them in the Carlisle Part 1 and 2 transcript and index (except for William MITCHINSON, who lived in Denton Holm). Can anybody with an index for the 1851 census for the other parts of Carlisle, for Caldbeck or for anywhere in Cockermouth District have a look for the following people please? Sarah SCOTT, age 20 - she gives her profession as grocer at her marriage, but later worked as a dressmaker. She was probably born in Caldbeck (possibly Hesket Newmarket). Isaac SCOTT, grocer, and his wife Jane SCOTT - they are likely to be in their 40s. Many thanks, Petra

    01/25/2003 11:33:53
    1. [CUL-COP] Re: Weddings and Pregnancy
    2. macha
    3. Most of my maternal side came from North Yorkshire. It was very common for the bride to be pregnant at the time of marriage. I believe this is a Viking thing and, as you said, a woman had to prove her fertility. The practise of bolstering was quite common i.e. placing a bolster down the middle of the bed of betrothed couples!!! Never knew that to stop anything!! Most practices of course had an economic motive - perhaps the couple just needed time to find a place to live. As we have a new group just to let you know my Cumberland/Westmoreland families: GRAINGER (Cockermouth/Carlisle) and HOWE (Carlisle). Regards. Macha in NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Figueroa" <heatherfig@rogers.com> To: <ENG-CUL-COPELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [CUL-COP] NICHOLSON OR GARRAWAY > My thoughts too, Jill. And maybe Chris or someone can answer, but > wasn't it fairly common at some point in history for some women to > become pregnant and then get married........to show that they could bear > children? Don't know where I read that, but maybe someone else could > comment. And I don't think it was as big a sin as it was in the 1900's. > As you point out, there were precious few days off work.....sometimes > only at Christmas. > > Heather > > > Dear Amanda, > > > > I cannot imagine that two couples both with the same quite distinctive > names > > were present at the church on the same day for different reasons. It > was > > most likely a case of killing two birds with one stone but obviously > the > > vicar refrained from baptising their two month old baby as legitimate. > > > > I looked up the printed copies of the St. Bees Parish Registers and > the > > difference between the entries though is interesting. At Sarah's > baptism > > the baby is described as "base" and the couple are described as "of > Gins" a > > district on the south side of Whitehaven with no profession given. > At the > > marriage Alexander is described as a Miner with no abode given, the > > witnesses being Anthony Fisher and Sarah Nicholson. Gins was in a > mining > > area which makes it more likely but it is a pity the two entries were > not > > more similar in their information. > > > > 9th June 1811 was a Sunday according to Datecalc and probably the only > day > > of the week that Alexander had off. No doubt they wore their Sunday > best > > and made a celebration of it but I doubt it was as lavish as we might > expect > > today and definitely no honeymoon if Alexander had to be at work the > next > > day and Grace had the baby to look after. > > > > Grace may well be the daughter of William and Elizabeth Nicholson, > wagoner > > of Sandwith, baptised 27 March 1789 at St. Bees. She had a sister > Sarah > > baptised there 27 December 1791 who may have been her witness at the > > marriage. > > > > Alexander Garraway is probably the one living at 8 Bells Lane, Preston > > Quarter, Whitehaven on the 1851 census. By then he was aged 60, a > widower > > and a coal miner by trade. He had a married daughter Mary Harrison > and > > family living with him as well as a son John but unfortunately no > daughter > > Sarah which might have proved the case. > > > > Gins, Preston Quarter and Sandwith are all near to each other between > St. > > Bees and Whitehaven. Preston Quarter is a description of an area of > St. > > Bees parish whilst the other two are specific places. > > > > I'm afraid we have to get used to some of our ancestors anticipating > the > > marriage service or getting married just in the nick of time so I hope > your > > relative will accept this might have been the case. After all, it > was > > hardly the baby's fault and in this case it seems the parents did the > decent > > thing. > > > > I hope this helps and will be interested in what others have to say. > > > > There were no further baptisms for children of Alexander and Grace at > St. > > Bees. > > > > Jill > > > > > parents: Alexander Garraway and Grace Nicholson > > > Now then, the register also indicates that this Alexander and Grace > were > > married on June 9, 1811, the same day their daughter was Christened.> > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

    01/25/2003 03:09:12
    1. [CUL-COP] www.1837online.com
    2. Hi does anyone know anything about this pay site for exact replicas of the 1837 census? Its not ready yet and doesnt say when. Apologies if this has already been discussed and overlooked by me. Regards, Sue.

    01/24/2003 10:39:41
    1. Re: [CUL-COP] TUBMAN will
    2. Heather Figueroa
    3. Hi Ann....... Aren't these old Wills fun? I have two here.....1500 and 1535 where any resemblance to English letters as we know them is coincidental....grin. The script is either Gothic or Court Hand. I don't know Latin, but the word 'comissario' could be the same as Commissioner. I was a Commissioner of Oaths when working in law. Much the same as a Notary Public, with certain restrictions. And I would have been able to swear the signatures to be true and all that. But witnesses to a Will don't have to be notaries or commissioners......just disinterested 3rd parties. Interesting that a couple of the names appear to have Spanish spelling. Yssabel. One document I have from your end of the world (Colombia) spells the area as the 'Yndies'. Which reminds me.......if I don't get those transcriptions finished (and they are from Norfolk), I will be thrown out of the family tree......grin!! But boy, are they hard!! Cheers....Heather (Canada) > Will of Mickles/Nicholas Tubman of Barrowhead - 1661 > (it was attached to the 1661 will of Christopher Brownrigg of Ireleth) > > Page 1. In Latin. > Yssabelam Tubman of Barrowhead witnessed by: Lance Dowbiggin > Law. Lau. Tubman > John Rafloe? of Barrowhead John Raflours? > Joseph Cradork - the 'comissario' signed by: Yssabel Tubman > > Page 2. In English > > .the 14th day of December 1657, Mickles Tubman of Barrowhead.last will.and > my body to be buried within the parish churchyard of Dalton.I give unto > John Tubman my oldest son,.my tenemant in Barrowhead > > My younger child. > > Goes on to mention payments in 1661, 1662 and 1663 > > ... > ..I give to Alixandor Tubman, my son > I give to William Tubman my son.which was given to him by his grandfather's > will > I give to Richard Tubman my son. (same as above) > I give to James Tubman my son.(same as above) > I give to Ffrainces Tubman my daughter (same as above) > I give to Elizabeth Tubman my daughter (same as above) > I give to Ann Tubman my daughter (same as above) > ..Yzabel my wife shall have the profit and benefit > > last two lines James Tuman, Alixandor Tubman, ? Tubman, Elizabeth Tubman, > Ann Tubman. > > (I have tried my best to 'transcribe' this will but cannot vouch for it). > > Ann Brownrigg (Costa Rica) > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

    01/24/2003 03:45:45
    1. [CUL-COP] TUBMAN will
    2. Ann Brownrigg
    3. Will of Mickles/Nicholas Tubman of Barrowhead - 1661 (it was attached to the 1661 will of Christopher Brownrigg of Ireleth) Page 1. In Latin. Yssabelam Tubman of Barrowhead witnessed by: Lance Dowbiggin Law. Lau. Tubman John Rafloe? of Barrowhead John Raflours? Joseph Cradork - the 'comissario' signed by: Yssabel Tubman Page 2. In English .the 14th day of December 1657, Mickles Tubman of Barrowhead.last will.and my body to be buried within the parish churchyard of Dalton.I give unto John Tubman my oldest son,.my tenemant in Barrowhead My younger child. Goes on to mention payments in 1661, 1662 and 1663 ... ..I give to Alixandor Tubman, my son I give to William Tubman my son.which was given to him by his grandfather's will I give to Richard Tubman my son. (same as above) I give to James Tubman my son.(same as above) I give to Ffrainces Tubman my daughter (same as above) I give to Elizabeth Tubman my daughter (same as above) I give to Ann Tubman my daughter (same as above) ..Yzabel my wife shall have the profit and benefit last two lines James Tuman, Alixandor Tubman, ? Tubman, Elizabeth Tubman, Ann Tubman. (I have tried my best to 'transcribe' this will but cannot vouch for it). Ann Brownrigg (Costa Rica)

    01/24/2003 01:26:16
    1. Re: [CUL-COP] NICHOLSON OR GARRAWAY
    2. John and Jill Coulthard
    3. Dear Amanda, I cannot imagine that two couples both with the same quite distinctive names were present at the church on the same day for different reasons. It was most likely a case of killing two birds with one stone but obviously the vicar refrained from baptising their two month old baby as legitimate. I looked up the printed copies of the St. Bees Parish Registers and the difference between the entries though is interesting. At Sarah's baptism the baby is described as "base" and the couple are described as "of Gins" a district on the south side of Whitehaven with no profession given. At the marriage Alexander is described as a Miner with no abode given, the witnesses being Anthony Fisher and Sarah Nicholson. Gins was in a mining area which makes it more likely but it is a pity the two entries were not more similar in their information. 9th June 1811 was a Sunday according to Datecalc and probably the only day of the week that Alexander had off. No doubt they wore their Sunday best and made a celebration of it but I doubt it was as lavish as we might expect today and definitely no honeymoon if Alexander had to be at work the next day and Grace had the baby to look after. Grace may well be the daughter of William and Elizabeth Nicholson, wagoner of Sandwith, baptised 27 March 1789 at St. Bees. She had a sister Sarah baptised there 27 December 1791 who may have been her witness at the marriage. Alexander Garraway is probably the one living at 8 Bells Lane, Preston Quarter, Whitehaven on the 1851 census. By then he was aged 60, a widower and a coal miner by trade. He had a married daughter Mary Harrison and family living with him as well as a son John but unfortunately no daughter Sarah which might have proved the case. Gins, Preston Quarter and Sandwith are all near to each other between St. Bees and Whitehaven. Preston Quarter is a description of an area of St. Bees parish whilst the other two are specific places. I'm afraid we have to get used to some of our ancestors anticipating the marriage service or getting married just in the nick of time so I hope your relative will accept this might have been the case. After all, it was hardly the baby's fault and in this case it seems the parents did the decent thing. I hope this helps and will be interested in what others have to say. There were no further baptisms for children of Alexander and Grace at St. Bees. Jill > parents: Alexander Garraway and Grace Nicholson > Now then, the register also indicates that this Alexander and Grace were married on June 9, 1811, the same day their daughter was Christened.>

    01/24/2003 12:18:52
    1. Re: [CUL-COP] NICHOLSON OR GARRAWAY
    2. Heather Figueroa
    3. My thoughts too, Jill. And maybe Chris or someone can answer, but wasn't it fairly common at some point in history for some women to become pregnant and then get married........to show that they could bear children? Don't know where I read that, but maybe someone else could comment. And I don't think it was as big a sin as it was in the 1900's. As you point out, there were precious few days off work.....sometimes only at Christmas. Heather > Dear Amanda, > > I cannot imagine that two couples both with the same quite distinctive names > were present at the church on the same day for different reasons. It was > most likely a case of killing two birds with one stone but obviously the > vicar refrained from baptising their two month old baby as legitimate. > > I looked up the printed copies of the St. Bees Parish Registers and the > difference between the entries though is interesting. At Sarah's baptism > the baby is described as "base" and the couple are described as "of Gins" a > district on the south side of Whitehaven with no profession given. At the > marriage Alexander is described as a Miner with no abode given, the > witnesses being Anthony Fisher and Sarah Nicholson. Gins was in a mining > area which makes it more likely but it is a pity the two entries were not > more similar in their information. > > 9th June 1811 was a Sunday according to Datecalc and probably the only day > of the week that Alexander had off. No doubt they wore their Sunday best > and made a celebration of it but I doubt it was as lavish as we might expect > today and definitely no honeymoon if Alexander had to be at work the next > day and Grace had the baby to look after. > > Grace may well be the daughter of William and Elizabeth Nicholson, wagoner > of Sandwith, baptised 27 March 1789 at St. Bees. She had a sister Sarah > baptised there 27 December 1791 who may have been her witness at the > marriage. > > Alexander Garraway is probably the one living at 8 Bells Lane, Preston > Quarter, Whitehaven on the 1851 census. By then he was aged 60, a widower > and a coal miner by trade. He had a married daughter Mary Harrison and > family living with him as well as a son John but unfortunately no daughter > Sarah which might have proved the case. > > Gins, Preston Quarter and Sandwith are all near to each other between St. > Bees and Whitehaven. Preston Quarter is a description of an area of St. > Bees parish whilst the other two are specific places. > > I'm afraid we have to get used to some of our ancestors anticipating the > marriage service or getting married just in the nick of time so I hope your > relative will accept this might have been the case. After all, it was > hardly the baby's fault and in this case it seems the parents did the decent > thing. > > I hope this helps and will be interested in what others have to say. > > There were no further baptisms for children of Alexander and Grace at St. > Bees. > > Jill > > > parents: Alexander Garraway and Grace Nicholson > > Now then, the register also indicates that this Alexander and Grace were > married on June 9, 1811, the same day their daughter was Christened.> > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

    01/24/2003 07:31:53
    1. [CUL-COP] NICHOLSON OR GARRAWAY
    2. David Roberts
    3. Recently while checking the St. Bees IGI register for the marriage of my g-g-g-grandparents I came across an entry for the birth and christening of a baby. It read: Sarah NICHOLSON or GARRAWAY born April 10, 1811 christened June 9, 1811 parents: Alexander Garraway and Grace Nicholson Now then, the register also indicates that this Alexander and Grace were married on June 9, 1811, the same day their daughter was Christened. Question is, do you think this was likely? I have a relative who has a bit of a rough time accepting this child as an ancestor because of this situation - perhaps it's the whole out of wedlock thing! Perhaps also, is my own perception of marriage ceremonies. White dress, guests, dinner etc... In general would the marriage ceremony from 1811 be similar to a registry office procedure if the bride and groom were not of wealth? Up until my recent discovery about little Sarah, Alexander and Grace's "firstborn" had been a boy, William in 1816, five years AFTER Sarah. Amanda

    01/24/2003 04:59:15
    1. [CUL-COP] Re: Dronfield Terrace
    2. jtinnion
    3. I've been sent some really good ideas about how to research this and will be following them up and hopefully posting an answer to the list eventually. Many thanks everyone. Regards, Jennifer from Leeds.

    01/24/2003 04:35:38
    1. [CUL-COP] Dronfield Terrace
    2. Neville Ramsden
    3. Jennifer, If Jill's answer does not satisfy you with her background information on the steel works and the dronnies etc and you still want to know where this terrace of houses are / were in Workington town then I suggest the following. The telephone number for Workington library is 01900-325170 or the E-Mail adress is on the Cumbria Libraries web site. Start at www.cumbria.gov.uk/libraries. The library has a local history section and are likely to have large scale street maps of the town from the 1901 OS series. You MAY be able to persuade them to photo copy one section of such a map. I believe that the copyright rules do allow a certain small percentage of a map to be copied for research purposes only. The problem with this is that I think that this section of the library is closed at this time for refurbishment. An altrnative is the Whitehaven record office but i do not know whether their map collection extends to street maps for Workington. Try them at whitehaven.record.office@cumbriacc.gov.uk The natives are very friendly ! Another possibility is to use the Ordance Survey themselves. All their maps are digitised and held on computer. They can print any map, or part of a map, for you. Check their Website. google (maps+"ordance survey"). They have been privatised so are now keen to be helpful. If you live in a large town you might have a OS agent available who could do it for you. They put the map on the screen you select the part and they print it. Nev.

    01/23/2003 12:42:29
    1. [CUL-COP] Dronfield Terrace
    2. John and Jill Coulthard
    3. Dear Jennifer, The explanation you have been given is correct. The steel works and a large work force moved from Dronfield, Derbyshire, just south of Sheffield, to Workington in 1882 and "The Dronnies" became an important section of the population. Housing would have been built to accommodate them as well as other facilities and no doubt some familiar place names would have been included for them in the street names. I was hoping that someone more knowledgeable about Workington than myself might have answered your question. I suggest you either write to our ring the Curator at the Helena Thompson Museum, Park Road, Workington. He seems to know everything there is to know about Workington and gave us a fascinating conducted tour of the Museum when we were there last October. We did balk though at his coup de grace when he ushered us into a room containing photographs of every Workington football team past or present so it seemed! However, he also showed us photographs of larger houses now demolished and told us what was currently there. It may be that he can recall or knows where Dronfield Terrace was. I would recommend this museum and the self-guided walking tour of Workington available from the Tourist Office to anyone who wishes to know more about the history of the town. There is also an interesting potted history display in St. Michael's Church which has been beautifully restored after a fire a few years ago. Best wishes, Jill

    01/23/2003 07:34:27