In case anyone has fishing ancestors in Whitehaven, this snippet from the Lancaster Gazette dated 28 June 1828 may be of interest: "Herrings have begun to make their appearance off Whitehaven. A few were taken by the Parton boats last week which took a ready market at 3d. per fish." I wondered if the Parton boats were owned by people of that name or if they are a type of boat? The snippet doesn't say. It also struck me that 3d. for a herring seems quite a high price to pay for 1828 - would this make them a delicacy rather than food for working people? -- Cheers, Anne mailto:docwras@yahoo.co.uk Archive CD Books from http://www.archivecdbooks.org help me with the Docwra Family Research Project http://resource.at/docwra

I descend from William GOULDING (1814 - 1872) and his wife Isabella BIRKETT (1817 - 1870??). They married October 16, 1836 and their children were as follows: Esther b. 1838 Henry b. 1840 married Dorothy ? William b. 1844 married Jane Bird Margaret b. 1853 John b. 1856 (my great grandfather) married Georgina Farish William Goulding, a clogger, was born in Penrith while his wife and children were born in Cockermouth. The family and the first three children appear in the 1851 census living at Brewery Yard. In 1871, William and his two youngest children are living at Kirkgate. He died January 2, 1872. The 1881 census shows that Henry and his family (five children) moved to Penrith where he is a clog sole maker. William and Jane Bird moved considerably further away. They are living at Wolfes Row, Limpsfield, Surrey with their five children (her son and four children of their own). By 1901, they had all removed to Devonport and the male members of the family appear to be employed at a sawmill. My great grandfather is shown boarding with a family in Workington in the 1881 census (occupation Woolen Weaver). The major puzzle is that I can find no parish record or birth certificate for my great grandfather John (searching 1852 - 1862) for a birth in Cockermouth (he was born there as were the other children plus William and Isabella died there). The 1901 census shows John, Georgina and their two children, William and Mary Ellen (my grandmother) living at 11 Abbey Street in Ilkeston. I would enjoy hearing from anyone with information about any of the above family members, particularly if you can suggest ideas for confirming the details of my great grandfather's birth. Regards, Roger Park Atlanta, Georgia USA zimmerhouse@bellsouth.net

Hi Dennis, I have links to Frederick JENKINSON who married Margaret CARR and lived in Frizington.They are both buried at St Paul's Frizington. Children were: Doris, Freda, Ethel, Ronald, Olive and Ernest. No actual dates but Ernest died in the second world war. Sylvia Walker (Liverpool) Researching GRAVES and CARR families in Cumbria. ----- Original Message ----- From: DENNIS HALTON <dennis.halton@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-CUL-COPELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 10:06 PM Subject: [CUL-COP] HALTON FAMILY > I have recently this mailing list and would like to appeal to the readership for help. The outline of my problem is given briefly below:- > I have traced my family back one Jeremiah HALTON. He lived in Carlisle and married Sarah BLAIN from Gt Orton in 1786 and they had three children. He was a sergeant in the Border Militia and is described as a tailor in Scotch St. The date of his burial was 6 Sept 1789 aged 31yrs. This puts his birth around 1757. Here the trail goes cold, no hint of parentage or place of birth. If anyone has come across Jeremiah or any other HALTON's from around that time that might give me a lead I would be eternally grateful to hear from them. > I am also interested in three other family groups; LEWIN, JENKINSON and PATTERSON all located in Whitehaven or the surrounding district. > Dennis Halton > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I found this resource at http://www.mun.ca/library/colldev/mhg/Micro/55.html The naval office shipping lists for the West Indies exist for nineteen islands, but there is a wide variation in the extent to which records have survived for each island. In addition to the naval officers' shipping returns, there are a number of other items to be found in this collection. These include the amount of revenues arising from imports and exports, amounts of sugar, rum and cotton exported, and weekly prices for produce and lumber imported and exported. The Naval Office Shipping Lists for the West Indies (Excluding Jamaica) 1678-1825. East Ardsley, Yorkshire: EP Microform, 1981. Micro Film 3786 Guide _____________________ Tim Anderson Gaithersburg, Maryland

Chris, Wrote: Beeby connection in Allonby Didn't realise there were so many Beebys and my leads now take me to Dodgson which is a quaker family from the Kendal area. who moved to Carlisle and opened the Carrs biscuit works which now belong to McVitties. These Quakers have moved round a lot, lol. BEEBY/MAVIS/DIXON/MIESSEN/FRANCIS/BETTS/ Pam xx

I have recently this mailing list and would like to appeal to the readership for help. The outline of my problem is given briefly below:- I have traced my family back one Jeremiah HALTON. He lived in Carlisle and married Sarah BLAIN from Gt Orton in 1786 and they had three children. He was a sergeant in the Border Militia and is described as a tailor in Scotch St. The date of his burial was 6 Sept 1789 aged 31yrs. This puts his birth around 1757. Here the trail goes cold, no hint of parentage or place of birth. If anyone has come across Jeremiah or any other HALTON's from around that time that might give me a lead I would be eternally grateful to hear from them. I am also interested in three other family groups; LEWIN, JENKINSON and PATTERSON all located in Whitehaven or the surrounding district. Dennis Halton

I was somewhat hasty in giving the all clear yesterday. We still had another 12 hours of blockage! However, I understand now that all the backlog of posts have been cleared from the server's queue, and things are back to normal. Chris ENG-CUL-COPELAND-admin@rootsweb.com

Wow!! I started poking around in the more obscure parts of Hugh's IGI website and I found all sorts of interesting parish records under 'Special (Mixed Location) Batches.......then click on 'Batches starting with T' ... I found Cumberland and Dumfries in particular, and a lot of my Bowness family from Kirkmahoe.....which I already have in my FTM, but it checked out OK. Some date variations (by mere days)......from my father's research and the Scottish Records......but I was amazed at what was there. And that was just 2 'T' ones. I have lots more to go thru. I could spend absolute hours going over his site......I had forgotten about it until I thought about doing a 'handy tips' post. Just thought I would let you know.........Heather Researching BOWNESS anywhere, anytime....grin. Still looking for the birth data on John Bowness, circa 1730-40.

Hi All........ I had posted only on the Carlisle List, but will add this to both Lists. I had suggested that we contribute any handy search tips or genealogy tips that we have come across. I know the author of this website personally (Hugh Wallis) and he has done a wonderful job of making your LDS research by batch number ever so much easier.......simply click on the country of choice (there are several and divided into British Isles and North America). A couple more clicks and you can select the area you want to search (batch number) and it is connected to the LDS Family search page. Hugh's search engine takes you directly to the proper page. Try it......I guarantee you will like it......grin!! Oh, and I have used the "Shorter Link" facility as the link was wrapping...... http://makeashorterlink.com/?E19F563E1 Have fun........there is lots of information on his website. Cheers.......Heather

There have been problems with the rootsweb list2 server. This is the server used by CUL-CAR and CUL-COP, but not by CUL. Posts haven't been getting through since yesterday. The problem seems to have been solved, and messages are flowing again, but I don't know yet whether posts mailed during this period will emerge or whether they have been lost. Sorry for the inconvenience. Chris ENG-CUL-COPELAND-admin@rootsweb.com

Hello List, My family interests are connected to the Quaker Meeting house at Pardshaw - the Fawcett Family were Yeoman farmers from at least 1600 in Mosser and when the Quaker movement came to the area like many other farming families they joined the new religion. As a close knit community many families inter-married and I have researched most of them. I detail below the major families connected to the Pardshaw meeting from 1650 to 1800. I offer a look-up service for this Quaker community that also encompasses the meetings at Broughton, Isel, Holme as well as Pardshaw. If you have hit a brick wall with your research through the normal parish records I may be able to help - it is surprising the number of Cumberland families that were involved in the Quaker movement - in a lot of cases by being members it caused distress and even death. Families: ABBATT, ALLASON, BELL, BLACK, BURNYEAT, DICKINSON, DEARMAN, DIXON, FAWCETT, FEARON, FLETCHER, GILL, GLAISTER, HALL, HARRIS, HEAD, HUDSON, JACKSON, MIREHOUSE, NICHOLSON, NIXON, NUTT, PATTINSON, PEARSON, PEILE, ROBINSON, SAUL, WALKER, WILKINSON, WILSON & WOODVILLE. Eric Fawcett

Malcolm You have explained it very well for me. I thought it was something to do with weaving as his wife and the children all in weaving. just goes to show I should not surmise Thank you again Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: Malcolm Borrowdale <Mjborrowdale@btinternet.com> To: ashpat <ashpat@tinyonline.co.uk>; <ENG-CUL-COPELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [CUL-COP] Re: Post boy > In mailcoach days it would more likely be delivering the mail to whoever > dealt with it locally. The local postmaster might possibly also have been an > innkeeper or similar. I don't think you got delivery to every house then. I > don't think postboy was an exact synonym for postman. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ashpat <ashpat@tinyonline.co.uk> > To: Malcolm Borrowdale <mjborrowdale@btinternet.com>; > <ENG-CUL-COPELAND-L@rootsweb> > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 6:50 PM > Subject: Re: [CUL-COP] Re: Post boy > > > > Thank you Malcolm > > > > So it is delivering the Mail > > > > Regards > > Patricia > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Malcolm Borrowdale <Mjborrowdale@btinternet.com> > > To: <ENG-CUL-COPELAND-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 4:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [CUL-COP] Re: Post boy > > > > > > > I'm fairly sure that the term postboy also applied to the men who > carried > > > the "crossposts" on foot or by horse. Crossposts were the lesser routes > > > connecting with mailcoach routes. > > > > > > Malcolm Borrowdale (Swinton, Lancs.) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <Doronic@aol.com> > > > To: <ENG-CUL-COPELAND-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 7:50 PM > > > Subject: [CUL-COP] Re: Post boy > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Patricia > > > > > > > > > Could someone tell me what a Post boy was > > > > > > > > I may be quite wrong, but the only definition I have come across is > that > > > of > > > > the chap who sat guard on the mail coach (often not a "boy" at all, > and > > > quite > > > > a responsible job) . Several are mentioned in Tom Bradley's book "The > > Old > > > > Coaching Days in Yorkshire" who worked on the mail coaches until > quite > > an > > > > advanced age, or until the system was superseded by the advent of the > > > > railways. Sometimes the job seems to have been handed down from > father > > to > > > > son, and postboy were employed by the post houses (inns) along the > route > > > of > > > > the mail coach. > > > > > > > > However, I stand to be corrected! > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Roz > > > > > > > > ______________________________ > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > >

In mailcoach days it would more likely be delivering the mail to whoever dealt with it locally. The local postmaster might possibly also have been an innkeeper or similar. I don't think you got delivery to every house then. I don't think postboy was an exact synonym for postman. ----- Original Message ----- From: ashpat <ashpat@tinyonline.co.uk> To: Malcolm Borrowdale <mjborrowdale@btinternet.com>; <ENG-CUL-COPELAND-L@rootsweb> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [CUL-COP] Re: Post boy > Thank you Malcolm > > So it is delivering the Mail > > Regards > Patricia > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Malcolm Borrowdale <Mjborrowdale@btinternet.com> > To: <ENG-CUL-COPELAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 4:51 PM > Subject: Re: [CUL-COP] Re: Post boy > > > > I'm fairly sure that the term postboy also applied to the men who carried > > the "crossposts" on foot or by horse. Crossposts were the lesser routes > > connecting with mailcoach routes. > > > > Malcolm Borrowdale (Swinton, Lancs.) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Doronic@aol.com> > > To: <ENG-CUL-COPELAND-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 7:50 PM > > Subject: [CUL-COP] Re: Post boy > > > > > > > Hi, Patricia > > > > > > > Could someone tell me what a Post boy was > > > > > > I may be quite wrong, but the only definition I have come across is that > > of > > > the chap who sat guard on the mail coach (often not a "boy" at all, and > > quite > > > a responsible job) . Several are mentioned in Tom Bradley's book "The > Old > > > Coaching Days in Yorkshire" who worked on the mail coaches until quite > an > > > advanced age, or until the system was superseded by the advent of the > > > railways. Sometimes the job seems to have been handed down from father > to > > > son, and postboy were employed by the post houses (inns) along the route > > of > > > the mail coach. > > > > > > However, I stand to be corrected! > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Roz > > > > > > ______________________________ > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

I'm fairly sure that the term postboy also applied to the men who carried the "crossposts" on foot or by horse. Crossposts were the lesser routes connecting with mailcoach routes. Malcolm Borrowdale (Swinton, Lancs.) ----- Original Message ----- From: <Doronic@aol.com> To: <ENG-CUL-COPELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 7:50 PM Subject: [CUL-COP] Re: Post boy > Hi, Patricia > > > Could someone tell me what a Post boy was > > I may be quite wrong, but the only definition I have come across is that of > the chap who sat guard on the mail coach (often not a "boy" at all, and quite > a responsible job) . Several are mentioned in Tom Bradley's book "The Old > Coaching Days in Yorkshire" who worked on the mail coaches until quite an > advanced age, or until the system was superseded by the advent of the > railways. Sometimes the job seems to have been handed down from father to > son, and postboy were employed by the post houses (inns) along the route of > the mail coach. > > However, I stand to be corrected! > > Best wishes, > Roz > > ______________________________

You may be right, I never thought of that, just thought with the rest of the family in weaving of some sort, it was to do with that. May be I should stop thinking!!! Thank you Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: <Doronic@aol.com> To: <ENG-CUL-COPELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 7:50 PM Subject: [CUL-COP] Re: Post boy > Hi, Patricia > > > Could someone tell me what a Post boy was > > I may be quite wrong, but the only definition I have come across is that of > the chap who sat guard on the mail coach (often not a "boy" at all, and quite > a responsible job) . Several are mentioned in Tom Bradley's book "The Old > Coaching Days in Yorkshire" who worked on the mail coaches until quite an > advanced age, or until the system was superseded by the advent of the > railways. Sometimes the job seems to have been handed down from father to > son, and postboy were employed by the post houses (inns) along the route of > the mail coach. > > However, I stand to be corrected! > > Best wishes, > Roz > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

A little more on the Jeffersons. Robert and Henry Jefferson, Wine and Spirit Merchants of 27 Lowther St., Whitehaven closed less than 5 years ago when the two Misses Jefferson who ran the business retired. The premises were converted into a tourist attraction and in May 2000, Whitehaven held a Caribbean Rum Festival to mark the launch of 'The Rum Story'. From the Whitehaven News 29 May 2000 'The original shop, courtyards, cellars and bonded warehouses have been converted into a £3 million tourist attraction called 'The Rum Story' based on the history of Jefferson's Wine merchants, the oldest family-owned rum importers in England, dating back to 1785.' ------------- 'The story goes back generations with Robert and Henry Jefferson building on their father Henry's 18th century links with the West Indies, bringing in cargoes of rum and molasses into the busy port of Whitehaven. Jefferson's unique blend of fine demerara rums from their estates in Antigua, became a popular tipple in the punch houses of London, manchester and the Northern Counties.' --------------- 'The journey starts in a Caribbean rainforest and graphically depicts the story of rum, bringing to life the Slave Trade, American prohibition, rum in the Royal Navy, rum in history ......' ------------- 'There is a reconstruction of the original Jefferson's wine shop with its authentic artefacts and the clerk's office looking just as it did in the 1700s, with its high desks and stools, old safe and hand-written records.' ----------------- Mel

Tim.......I would be thrilled to get the Jefferson Will. Thanks to that darned migraine, I didn't pick up on the Jefferson/Hemmings tie in. As you know, my husband's ancestry is the same, but in Jamaica, not the US. His gggrandmother was a freed slave. The whole subject is extremely fascinating and I was looking through some parish records on Wednesday for the year that slavery was abolished in Jamaica (1834). With a snap of the fingers, the slaves instantly became 'apprentices'. Their lives didn't change much......just their 'occupation'. (wry grin) So do send it, as I am sure it is absolutely fascinating as well. Cheers......Heather > I just sent a copy of this will off to Chris Dickinson and am willing to share it with any of you who are interested in what happens when all the unmarried daughters either die or get married. What happens to young Mr. Thomas Jefferson? Does he really have a thing for Sally Hemmings? And what is this about the codicil?? Yes, there is a codicil and it directly affects Jane, the only married daughter. Only for those who really need to know the answer to these other burning questions. The only way to know is to get the will and read it yourself. > It is too long to post; let me know and I will send it. > _____________________ > Tim Anderson > Gaithersburg, Maryland > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

<A HREF="http://www.veteransagency.mod.uk/homepage.htm">War Pensions Scheme</A> Sorry just click on the link Pam

I just sent a copy of this will off to Chris Dickinson and am willing to share it with any of you who are interested in what happens when all the unmarried daughters either die or get married. What happens to young Mr. Thomas Jefferson? Does he really have a thing for Sally Hemmings? And what is this about the codicil?? Yes, there is a codicil and it directly affects Jane, the only married daughter. Only for those who really need to know the answer to these other burning questions. The only way to know is to get the will and read it yourself. It is too long to post; let me know and I will send it. _____________________ Tim Anderson Gaithersburg, Maryland

Hi Patricia -- Go to www.old-maps.co.uk and search Black Ling as an address. The number one result should be Black Ling, Egremont, Cumbria. Click on this. From the next list click Black Ling Cottages. I think that you may be given a list of cottages. Choose one and click and you will get a map. At the bottom of this page click on "Enlarged Map". You will find the Black Ling cottages on this 1867 map just up the road, through Snellings and Kell Head, from Rothersyke House. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Dickinson" <chris@dickinson.uk.net> To: <ENG-CUL-COPELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [CUL-COP] Whitehaven Churches: Holy Trinity vs. Saint Nicholas vs. Saint James > Tim Anderson quotes : > > >...and I give and bequeath all my Household Goods ... and also > >my Carriage ... also with my seat or pew in Saint Nicholas > >Chapel in Whitehaven aforesaid and my Mortgage upon a > >share of the Whitehaven Theatre with the Silver Ticket > >attached to it unto such of my Daughters as may be living > >unmarried at the time of my decease so long as they shall > >respectively remain unmarried and to the survivors or survivor > >of such of them as may from time to time continue to > unmarried... > > > Very interesting. I don't think I've seen anything quite like it > before. > > I understand the principle of giving the ice on the cake to the > unmarried daughters. After all, the married ones have probably > already had their 'dowry' and are now tied to the financial > fortunes of their husbands. What you now want is to marry off the > younger ones; and how better than to show them off in a carriage, > a pew and a theatre box? > > But to do this generation after generation? That seems > excessively thoughtful and not very practical. It would surely > require some sort of Trustee arrangement? Unless ... hmm ... > could it be that he had some specific grandchildren in mind? > > > Chris > chris@dickinson.uk.net > > ______________________________