Kevin, Yes that is absolutely them ; and I will be sending you off list a number of certificates that I have. David Knowles ps That Thomas Birkett looks intriguing . A while ago I posted a message - "Steve Bulman has posted 7 of my old photos at his site - http://www.stevebulman.f9.co.uk/cumbria/ - under frames / photographs / old family photographers." I believe some, perhaps all, are Birketts from Cumberland. Have you had a chance to look ? In a message dated 1/22/03 3:14:33 AM Central Standard Time, KRCSC writes: > Hi David, > > The name McClean rang a bell in my files. On checking I have found the > following family. > > Is this family the one you are talking about ? If it is I would appreciate > a copy of the cert. > > Best Wishes > Kevin Robinson >