In a message dated 5/7/03 1:55:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cgrs@lineone.net writes: > There is a possible Francis living in Carlisle in 1851.... > Enumeration dist 9b, Folio 491 page 32 > Gaol Brow, Jolly Hatters > Margaret O'NEILL, head, widow, 33, Cotton Winder, born Ireland > John O'NEILL, son, 12, born Ireland > Francis O'NEILL, son, 8, born Cockermouth, > Ellen O'NEILL, dau, 6, born Carlisle. Thank you Barry, This may be him as the name 'Ellen' reappears as one of his children...but not until 1901 in and she she 17 yrs. and in Durham. I am a bit confused.... This may a silly question...would the name 'Jolly Hatters' have anything to do with an occupation? On Francis' marriage licence it says his father was a Silk Hatter (deceased). Jan