Since my last message I have been able to confirm the IGI reference. I now accept Hanchet(t) as the surname. Would you believe that the place is Duddenhoe End? Thank you Paula Patterson who wrote - "Just south of Elmdon is a hamlet/large farm called Duddenhoe End which shows up in parish records and census returns under many different spellings. One common spelling is Dudnoe/Dudnor End which would fit well with the handwritten entry. Just along the road (a matter of a hundred yards or so) is another hamlet called Wenden Lofts. Census returns usually show both Wenden Lofts and Duddenhoe End as part of Elmdon. Wenden Lofts had a small church called St Dunstans where some B M and D took place but most people seemed to use St Nicholas Church in Elmdon. Duddenhoe End didn't have a church of it's own." ( If you missed my earlier mail, here's what I am talking about - http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~robtan/will.html ) Regards, Robert. Robert Tanner In Aus, phone (03) 6231 0794 PO Box 539 From OS, phone +61 3 6231 0794 North Hobart Tasmania 7002 rtanner@trump.net.au Australia http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~robtan/home.html

WOW! I sent out my old hand writing request to the Cambridge, Carlyle, Copeland, Essex, Hertfordshire, Tasmania, and UK Census Helpers lists at 9:15 am this morning (Eastern Australian Summer Time) and now - 12:15, three hours later - I have 17 replies. What a wonderful bunch you genies are! I will reply to all individually as soon as I can, but in the meantime, thank you all very much! A special thanks to David Hawley who wrote "Don't know if this will help, but a Sarah Greenhill married Samuel Hanchet(t) on 4.11.1799 at Wendon Lofts in Essex (IGI)" Yes David - it certainly does help! I haven't been able to verify this for myself yet as I don't seem to be able to get into IGI search at present. But there have been many suggestions for the place. I am working my way through them. But - please keep sending any thoughts you may have. ( If you missed my earlier mail, here's what I am talking about - http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~robtan/will.html ) Regards, Robert. Robert Tanner In Aus, phone (03) 6231 0794 PO Box 539 From OS, phone +61 3 6231 0794 North Hobart Tasmania 7002 rtanner@trump.net.au Australia http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~robtan/home.html

Hello Listers! This is not strictly a Cumbria matter, but there seem to be some pretty expert people on this list, and I'm hoping one of them can help me. It is genealogy, even if not directly Cumbria! Recently I was given a copy of the will of one of my wife's ancestors. Unfortunately there are two words I can't decipher. Are there any old hand writing experts out there? (Or should I say, "experts in old handwriting"?) If so, could you have a look at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~robtan/will.html and tell me what you think? Thank you in anticipation, Robert. Robert Tanner In Aus, phone (03) 6231 0794 PO Box 539 From OS, phone +61 3 6231 0794 North Hobart Tasmania 7002 rtanner@trump.net.au Australia http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~robtan/home.html

Hi Since raising the problem of failure of the programme to install correctly I have contacted Micro Soft. They suggested that it is probable that the Go!Zilla download programme that I use could be the problem and should be disabled during the download and installation. Doing this did not cure the problem but lead me onto other ideas which at least allow me to use the Web site and its search facilities. Something similar might work for those of you who use similar download programmes. Inhibit the download programme when you click the "Click here to enter" button , for Go!Zilla this means holding down the Alt key. Hold it down again whenever you click on the functions displayed. When you reach the table of contents it seems to work free of this restriction Why it does this I do not know but it seems to work all right so I will offer it as a possible solution. Regards Dennis

I would be interested in such a site also if there is one. Thanks and a Happy New Year to all. Sheila in NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Carruthers" <pcarruth@bigpond.net.au> To: <ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 1:52 PM Subject: [CUL-CAR] World War 2 - Personnel Recoprds > Hello all, > > Slightly off topic! Is there a site that allows a search for services personnel during WW2? I'm looking for an individual who would have enlisted in Newcastle and was at Dunkirk. > > Any advice?? > > > Phillip Carruthers > Brisbane, Queensland, > AUSTRALIA > > Home Phone +617 3273 5531 > Work Phone +617 3221 9277 > Work Fax +617 3229 5475 > Mobile 0411 643 427 > Home e-mail pcarruth@bigpond.net.au > Work e-mail p.carruthers@ndy.com >

Hello all, Slightly off topic! Is there a site that allows a search for services personnel during WW2? I'm looking for an individual who would have enlisted in Newcastle and was at Dunkirk. Any advice?? Phillip Carruthers Brisbane, Queensland, AUSTRALIA Home Phone +617 3273 5531 Work Phone +617 3221 9277 Work Fax +617 3229 5475 Mobile 0411 643 427 Home e-mail pcarruth@bigpond.net.au Work e-mail p.carruthers@ndy.com

To all, Family, friends, coworkers & acquaintances, A very merry holidays and, please, a SAFE and Happy NewYear. David

Hi - I have had a similar problem with Netscape not allowing me to search and asking for an error report which I send each time but it has not taken care of the problem. I would love to be able to get into the web page. DENNIS HALTON wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fred Mantey" <fred@mantey.co.uk> > > Hi > > Recently published on NDFHS list > > I've just found this site on another list. It has Pigot's directories on > line, searchable and FREE! The address is > > > http://www.historicaldirectories.org/ > > Regards> Fred > > > Hi > Sounds like a useful site, unfortunately when I try to load the > search programme I get a message "not a valid Win 32 application". Has > anyone else had this problem and more to the point found a solution. > Regards Dennis > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Mantey" <fred@mantey.co.uk> > Hi > Recently published on NDFHS list > I've just found this site on another list. It has Pigot's directories on line, searchable and FREE! The address is > > http://www.historicaldirectories.org/ > Regards> Fred > Hi Sounds like a useful site, unfortunately when I try to load the search programme I get a message "not a valid Win 32 application". Has anyone else had this problem and more to the point found a solution. Regards Dennis

I just wanted to wish you all a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. And may you all break through those brick walls, or find those missing ancestors (from Planet Zarg, as Malcolm says).......in 2003!! It is a beautiful sunny, cold afternoon here in Brampton, Ontario and I just wanted to send my best wishes to all before I jump back into all the preparations for our family dinner tomorrow. And also wanted to say that our best present and dearest wish came true. Our daughter just became 'officially engaged' and we are ecstatic for her. Jim flew for 20 hours from NZ to be with her at Christmas and to make it official with a 'band of gold'. May your Christmas be as happy as ours!! Ron and Heather

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Fred Mantey wrote: >Recently published on NDFHS list > >I've just found this site on another list. It has Pigot's directories on line, >searchable and FREE! The address is >> http://www.historicaldirectories.org/ Wow! Thanks for that, Fred - I, at least, wasn't aware of the site. The search engine is very good indeed and the speed is impressive. The project has chosen to go for general coverage (aiming to provide only 1 directory for each county in its three time bands), which may limit its usefulness ... but maybe that policy will change as funding and time allows. Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net

Hi Recently published on NDFHS list I've just found this site on another list. It has Pigot's directories on line, searchable and FREE! The address is > http://www.historicaldirectories.org/ Regards Fred This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by Norton Anti Virus last updated 17 Dec 02

'Ulverstone' is now called Ulverston and is located in the southern part of the county of Cumbria. However, until 1974, it was part of Lancashire, not Cumberland. There is a specific Rootsweb list for Ulverston - go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/UK-ULVERSTON-FHS.html and follow the joining instructions. Cheers - Nigel >Can anyone please tell me how I can find information about people >born,etc. in Ulverstone? circa 1800s. >David

Can anyone please tell me how I can find information about people born,etc. in Ulverstone? circa 1800s. David

ref: John Irving Carlton of Ewanrigg, Sarah Isabella Birkett wife of Robert Birkett of Waterhouse in the County of Durham & William Carlton of No. 10 Gray Street Workington Below is a message posted on the Boulder, Colorado message board. What she is referring to is I have quite a lot of reference works on Boulder and like to post replies of help there. One of the people I helped said she lived there and if I needed anything she'd be more than happy to look. My foolish reply was "Thanks but I've got all my Boulder research done." HA ! Karen had just posted the County Clerks office site and when I checked it out I saw a record of a Power of Attorney for one name I knew, one I assumed died in infancy and one I had never heard of. Been at this over 25 years and my Carlton line is one of my best documented and here all of a sudden I'm finding 2 adult children I didn't know anything about. David, You've been so helpful to everyone here that you certainly deserve one of those "Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness." I stopped by the recording department and had the document copied. All the good stuff is at the beginning, except for the names of some mayors and solicitors from England. Looks like William was another sibling that stayed in England. --- No. 2510 Power of Attorney John Irving Carlton Sarah Isabella Birkett to William Carlton Filed for record July 7th A. D. 1892 at 3:20 p.m. J. D. Moorhead Recorder To All to whome these presents shall come JohnIrving Carlton of Ewanrigg near Maryport in the County of Cumberland EnglandEngineman and Sarah Isabella Birkett wife of Robert Brickett of Waterhousein the County of Durham England Coal miner Send Greeting. Whereas ThomasCarlton late of Louisville in the County of Boulder and State of Coloradoin the United States of America Mine Manager deceased died on or about the20th day of January A. D. 1892 intestate as we believe and we the said JohnIrving Carlton and Sarah Isabella Birkett as two of the five children ofthe said Thomas Carlton deceased and of Jane Carlton his late wife are severallyand respectively entitled each to one fifth part or share or some other partshare or interest in the lands houses hereditaments chattels and real andpersonal estate of the said Thomas Carleton or of the said Jane Carlton orof the Said Thomas Carlton and Jane Carlton consisting of among other propertyLot number nine (9) in Block number five (5) in the Town of Louisville inthe said County of Boulder and certain personal property in or about thesame and one hundred and sixty five (165) shares of the capital stock ofthe Acme Coal Mining Company standing in the name of the said Thomas Carltonin the books of said Company Need know ye that we the said John Irving Carletonand Sarah Isabella Birkett do jointly and each of us severally and respectivelydoth by these presents make ordain constitute and appoint our brother WilliamCarlton of No. 10 Gray Street Workington in the County of Cumberland EnglandBlast Engineman (who is now about to proceed to Louisville) our true andlawful attorney and the true and lawful attorney of each of us severallyand respectively to sue for ask demand recover and receive of and from theadministrator or administratrix of the said Thomas Carlton or from his executoror executrix if he shall have left a will or from any other person or personsaccountable in respect of the property of the said Thomas Carlton all thedistributive share or shares or interests of and in the personal estate ofthe said Thomas Carlton which we are or each or either of us is by law entitledunto and all sum and sums of money goods chattels and personal estate whatsoeverwhich by our said Father's dying as aforesaid belong or by right ought tobelong to us or either of us out of his estate and upon receipt thereof acquittanceother discharges for us and each of us and in our several names to five tothe administrator or administratrix executor or executrix of our said Fatheror other the person or persons accountable as aforesaid for what our saidattorney shall receive and to make any agreement or composition for our saidshares or interests of and in our said fathers personal estate or for anyother matter or thing due to us respectively from his estate and also withfull power and authority for us and in our several names and for our useto sell and dispose of or to concur with any other person or persons in sellingor disposing of all or any of the OH HELP, THERE'S TWO MORE PAGES OF THIS STUFF!

I seem to remember that someone recently had some connection to Kirklinton Hall? In the "Homes" section of the Sunday Times of 24.11.02 was a short article about Kirklinton Hall (or what little is left of it), which is up for sale for £350,000. Anybody considering to spend their Christmas bonus on it needs to bear in mind that it may cost double as much again to rebuild! The article says: All that remains of Kirklinton Hall near Carlisle is a facade. The house, which can trace its history to 1661, had been flats, a hotel and a casino before a devastating fire in the 1970s, since when it has stood gutted and derelict. Left "beyond redemption", the Victorian walls have been designated a building at risk. Because of the historical and architectural importance, a serious buyer is being sought to restore the property. The house is in 10 acres, including a Grade II-listed coach house and stables, and a kitchen garden. The rest of the article is mainly about the difficulties getting planning permission etc. There is also a photo of the facade. If anybody is interested in the article, I am happy to send it to them (or a photocopy if more than one of you is interested). Or I could ask my 9-year-old son to show me how to scan it... Happy Christmas! Petra in London

I am researching all the KNIGHT's of Cumberland and nearby areas. As relates to marriages of my KNIGHT's I'm also interested in these surnames - Margaret James [bapt 1696 Stanwix], Jane Baty [bapt 1741 Kirk Andrews on Esk], Ann Bell [bapt 1769 Lanercost], Elizabeth Winskill [born 1793 Durham] and Jane Chambers [bapt 1817 Crosby upon Eden] . If you have any stray KNIGHT's in your research I would be very interested in hearing from you. Your ideas, suggestions etc. are always most welcome. Thanks, Bill Knight In rainy/snowy Chagrin Falls, Ohio

I just stumbled on to a piece of information that has me stumped. Found the Boulder County, Colorado Clerks Office site that has an index to their records. Quick outline - My family of Carltons came from Cumberland County, England in 1880. Thomas (1824-1892) & Jane (McClean/McLean)(1818-1891) Carlton had (in England): Sarah Isabella (1845-?) - last data 1851 census David (1848-1892)- emigrated to Colorado with father John Irving (1851-?)- remained in Cumberland Mary Jane (1853-1933)- emigrated to Colorado with father Stewart McLean (1856-1860)- died young in Cumberland Thomas's brother John (1838-1913) had already emigrated to Colorado. Thomas and son David owned a coal mine. In Dec 1891 Thomas's wife Jane died ; in Jan 1892 Thomas died ; and in June 1892 David died. What I just found was - filed in Boulder County, Colorado on 7 July 1892 John Irving Carlton and Sarah Isabel Birkett gave Power of Attorney to William Carlton. I'm certain that this was triggered by the 3 deaths in sudden sucession, and that they weren't "local", and therefore sure these are the 2 children who stayed in Cumberland. Quick check of Free BMD & IGI and saw nothing on a Carlton / Birkett marriage. Do not have a William Carlton in my data base alive in 1892 (although William was a name used often in my line). And would have to think he'd be "local". When rechecking files noted that in the 1880 U.S. Federal census John Carlton (brother of Thomas) had enumerated with him an Edward Hudson (1869-?) and a Hannah Hudson (1872-?) as nephew and neice. (His wife's maiden name was Campbell). And finally, during WW I, my Carltons traded letters with an "Aunt Bella" in Cumberland, who then forwarded to an Ann Pearson in Washington, D.C. who then forwarded to her daughter Annice Pearson in Chicago who then passed on to Jane Carlton (David's wife) in Colorado. HELP. Who were the husband Birkett, William Carlton, the Hudson children and the Pearsons ? Would be real nice to tie all these togeather. David

Most certainly not since Henry VIII disagreement with the Pope (16th C), Roman Catholic marriages were not acknowledged, the only religions tolerated until about 1640 were foreign churches (Huguenots etc.) the Quakers were also accepted. The Act of Toleration of 1689 extended the scope of Protestant churches but Roman Catholics had to wait until 1778 and the Catholic Relief Acts. Cheers Guy CDKnow@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > > This is an old memory in an old head - I seem to remember reading that up to > some (fairly recent ie mid to late 18th century) point only Anglican, Roman > Catholic and Jewish marriages were considered valid. And that all baptisms > (Jewish excluded) > had to be Anglican or Roman. And all burials, again except Roman and Jewish, > had to be Anglican ; and that all, regardless, had to pay that cloth tax to > support the English textile industry. > > Seems we're all missing BMD's in the late 18th and early 19th and I'm > wondering if they didn't occur in a nonconformist denomination that didn't > keep records. (Don't know if it means anything but a lot of denominations in > America didn't record and > church records here are not nearly as helpful as in UK. My experience). > > David > ps just trying to avoid doing the work with a Google. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 -- Wakefield England I use Archive CD Books in my research http://www.archivecdbooks.org http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~framland/dh/ Whitefield Transcripts, Etch/ells Transcripts http://freespace.virgin.net/guy.etchells Transcripts, Parish Records, Calendar, Abbreviations, Returns of Owners of Lands etc. etc.