Oops, everyone. The virus hoax seems to have spread inadvertently onto this list! The virus warning that was sent, to my knowledge, to CUL, ULV and STS (and maybe to other lists too) is an old hoax. Please bear in mind that any virus discussion is off-topic. Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-admin@rootsweb.com ENG-CUL-COPELAND-admin@rootsweb.com

Hi Everybody, I deleted the file the last time this subject was raised. Nothing disastrous happened, I downloaded the file from Microsoft. But as Rob has already said, I cannot remember how to do it, Sorry! Bryan

Hi Everyone, Just a note of thanks to all those kind people who replied to my query regarding the birth certificate. Regards, Bryan

About six years ago I was asked by a friend to apply for his birth certificate on his behalf when I made my next visit to St Catherines House. He had been born (in 1963) illegitimate and his mother had refused to tell him his fathers identity. He had never seen a full version of his birth certificate and thought that his father's name would be registered on it (unfortunately it wasn't). Upon presenting the application, a floor supervisor ushered me into a small room where I was interrogated for quite some time as to the reason for the application. My explanation was eventually accepted and the certificate arrived in the post a week later. On the other hand, I have made successful applications for birth certificates of my parents, aunts and uncles (all born between 1918 and 1930) without any problems and two out of the total of six are still alive. It is however, rather different if you do not know the person who's certificate you are applying for and you might find yourself in the embarrassing situation of giving them an unsuitable reason for the application!! Regards, Trevor Littleton

Off the top of my head (still full of Xmas stuff)......it is absolutely taboo in Canada!! But I will check this out to be 100% sure. And Guy....I am not one of the 'paranoid fringe' (G). I was a paralegal. Turn this around.......would you want me to be able to get your birth certificate, then using that, get your Social Insurance Number, a driver's licence, etc.......then open credit card accounts (remember, I have your mother's maiden name with this).......and bleed you dry!! Just a little 'enlightenment' on how identity theft works. And I am darn glad we have these laws. True case........as I was a Commissioner of Oaths (slightly less than a Notary Public). Remember when James Earl Ray was on the run after killing Martin Luther King? He came to Toronto......went thru old newspaper microfilm birth announcements.....picked out 3 people roughly his own age......and then armed with the mother's maiden name, etc., he applied for passports and a Notary 'rubberstamped' them. I personally knew 2 of the 3 people he stole the identity of.......how's that for a small world in a city of 2 million people??? And one was a cop, who found life a little tense at the station after that!! Heather > Hi Everybody, > > Am I allowed to obtain a copy of a birth certificate of a living person > without their knowledge or is this totally taboo? I fear the latter but would > like your comments on the matter. > > Bryan > > > ==== CUMBERLAND Mailing List ==== > >

For 2003 I'd like to post my interests Richard Jackson, confectioner, born 1847 married Annie Routledge, 1851, both of Carlisle( may have lived in Workington, too) Unknown Jackson, married Mary Ann Bradshaw, 1822, Carlisle Bridget Bradshaw (maiden name unk), born 1799 Ireland, mother of Mary Ann, Appreciative of any leads, Terry Jackson

Hi David, I can't imagine that they would have been on board a ship travelling between Carlisle and Liverpool. The two cities are only around 130 miles apart and the natural journey would be by road. A few more details about Jane (DOB, place of birth, daughters' names and DOBs etc) might help? Cheers - Nigel >I just found (actually refound buried under dust) the (U.S.) naturalization >papers for Jane (Trimble) Carlton. Like all records they got more detailed as >they evolved. > >While her husband and father-in-law came ahead to get settled, she and her 5 >daughters stayed with her sister named "Bella" in Carlisle. > >The naturalization states she left Liverpool 21 June 1881, arrived New York >12 July and arrived Colorado 1 Aug. (took longer by land than by sea!) > >The Genuki site says the 1881 census was 3 April but I can't find her (at >least on the FamilySearch transcript ; there's always the possibility she was >missed by a transcriber). > >Would they have already been in transit to Liverpool on 3 April ? And if so >wouldn't she still show as a "stray" at some inn ? Or would in transit have >been by ship from Carlisle to Liverpool ? > >David

Hi Everybody, Am I allowed to obtain a copy of a birth certificate of a living person without their knowledge or is this totally taboo? I fear the latter but would like your comments on the matter. Bryan

Hello Everybody, I am seeking information relating to any of the following people: Baptisms in the Wesleyan - Methodist Chapel, Queen Street, Workington: 23rd December 1900 - Joseph William Armstrong, son of Joseph and Sarah Jane Wren of 37 Derwent Street, Workington. April 23rd 1905 - Alice Jane, daughter of Joseph and Sarah Jane Wren of 14 Stewart Street, Workington St.Michael`s, Workington Baptisms: August 23rd 1907 - Harold, son of Joseph and Sarah Jane Wren of 11 Harbourside, Workington - Carter. August 13th 1909 - Violet, daughter of Joseph and Sarah Jane Wren of 45 Northside - Carter. West Seaton Baptisms: May 11th 1911 - Gladys May, daughter of Joseph and Sarah Jane Wren of 45 Middle Row - Carter. June 20th 1913 - Laura Lavinia, daughter of Joseph and Sarah Jane Wren of 45 Middle Row - Carter. March 21st 1926 - Joseph William, son of Sarah Annie Wren of 45 Middle Row. April 3rd 1928 - Allan, son of Sarah Annie Wren of 45 Middle Row. January 26th 1930 - Elsie, daughter of Sarah Annie Wren of Northside. West Seaton Marriage: January 1st 1930 Joseph Fell aged 24, Labourer of 45 Northside - father Joseph Fell - Collier and Hilda Jane Wren aged 24 of 45 Northside - father Joseph Wren - Carter Witnessed by Harold Wren and Laura Wren. Any assistance gratefully accepted. Regards and a Happy New Year to all, Bryan

Thanks for the answers. I should have added at least a little detail for you ; Carlton is a fairly common name in Carlisle. The main reason I'm looking in 1881 is to find the name of this elusvie "Aunt Bella" they are staying with. I believe that will be a big help with my Trimbles. I am missing - Name Marital Age Birthplace Jane (McLean) Carlton M 64 Harrington Mary Jane Carlton U 28 Cumberland Jane (Trimble) Carlton M 32 Carlisle Nancy "Ann" Carlton U 12 Maryport Jane Carlton U 10 Little Broughton Sarah Isabella Carlton U 8 Little Broughton Mary Carlton U 6 Dovenby Margaret Annie Carlton U 2 Dearham David

Does any one have access to Haughton parish records? I would be very grateful for any help in this matter.E.B

This was on LANCSGEN list today. Looks as though it's worth another look at 1901 census site if there was anyone you thought should be there but failed to find. Handy that you can look at just the amendments. Keep sending the corrections in folks! Malcolm Borrowdale (Swinton, Lancs.) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Burns <john@johnburns.com> To: <LANCSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 2:08 AM Subject: [LAN] PRO Website Transcription Amendments > HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ONE AND ALL. > > Just for info. looks like the PRO are taking notice of amendments to > transcription errors made on their website. All of the errors I have > notified them about in last 3-4 months have now been corrected. It would > be worthwhile to us all that if you do notice an error in the > transcription based upon either interpreting the image directly or using > other information you already have (e.g. birth certificates etc) that > you do submit them to the PRO using the relevant (Contact Us) page on > their website: > > http://www.census.pro.gov.uk > > One of my relatives was named ZACK but on the website was transcribed as > ZACK. Sure the image was a bit difficult to read but I quoted the birth > certificate I already had and they have now changed to the correct name. > > A list of amendments already made can be viewed from the webpages > starting at: > http://www.census.pro.gov.uk/changes_index.html > > Rgds John > > Lancashire Surname List at http://lancslist.com > BMD Certificates and Census Request Forums at > http://lancslist.com/forums > Free 1901 England/Wales Census Decoder Software from > http://lancslist.info > MLFHS membership number: 6259 > Old Books Available On CD from http://www.archivecdbooks.org > > ______________________________

Hello, I just found (actually refound buried under dust) the (U.S.) naturalization papers for Jane (Trimble) Carlton. Like all records they got more detailed as they evolved. While her husband and father-in-law came ahead to get settled, she and her 5 daughters stayed with her sister named "Bella" in Carlisle. The naturalization states she left Liverpool 21 June 1881, arrived New York 12 July and arrived Colorado 1 Aug. (took longer by land than by sea!) The Genuki site says the 1881 census was 3 April but I can't find her (at least on the FamilySearch transcript ; there's always the possibility she was missed by a transcriber). Would they have already been in transit to Liverpool on 3 April ? And if so wouldn't she still show as a "stray" at some inn ? Or would in transit have been by ship from Carlisle to Liverpool ? David

David Know writes about the 1881 LDS CD: <snip> >I was trying to get verification that it was transcribed correctly. <snip> I've only used the 1881 census to check up on my own family, and so (having been doing this genealogy lark for some time), I looked at microfilms of the original sometime before the 1881 LDS CD was transcribed and published. My limited experience has been that CD transcriptions are very highly flawed. In particular, one of my (non-Cumbrian) ancestors was given the wrong age and address; and another, born in SouthWARK in London, was listed as born in Warwickshire. However, this doesn't say anything about Cumberland transcriptions - it may be that these were of better quality. Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net

David, yes that will be the LDS transcription which is also available on line at http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/default.asp The CD set has much better search facilities. John >If someone says they have the 1881 census on CD, what do they have - a >transcript or photocopies of the original ? > >David > > >

Does anyone have an email address for Colchester Essex please? David

Hi all, Thanks for the quick replies. I was afraid it was the transcript. Just before Christmas (this was like a present under the tree!) I stumbled on to a Power-of-Attorney that gave me 2 children I hadn't known about. The next day, while checking the married name of the daughter I came across a person who had a cache of old photos no one could identify. I'm close to identifying them all. The daughter was Sarah Isabella Carlton born 1848 (probably Little Broughton ; or possibly Camerton) Cumberland to Thomas & Jane (McLean) Carlton. It would seem that sometime c.1880 she her husband and children moved to Wolsingham, Durham. (The Power-of-Attorney puts her in Durham in 1891) I was trying to get verification that it was transcribed correctly. It is at Park Terrace, Wolsingham, Durham ; and the head of the household is Robert Birkett. My questions are - His wife is listed as Sarah J - is it J or I ? She is listed as born at Summerton, Cumberland (could it be Camerton because I can't find a Summerton, Cumberland)? There are 2 children listed as "Stobbart" - is that an accurate rendition of the names ? They are called "daur in law" & "son in law" to Robert - is this meant to be stepchildren (I know that could be long ago but seems to me I've seen stepchild on the 1881 census before) ? And does that imply Sarah was married to a Stobbart c.1866 (aside from legitimacy issues) ? Everyone was born in Cumberland ; the 2 Stobbart children and 1 Birkett child in Bridekirk. David

David, I would think they have the LDS disk if they say they have the 1881 census on disk which is a transcription rob

If someone says they have the 1881 census on CD, what do they have - a transcript or photocopies of the original ? David

Is anyone researching Hunt family from Penrith/Carlisle area during 1700`s Ted Otway