Sorry, didnt mean census, I meant B.M.D. Sue.

Just to keep people informed andif you want to get in early for certificates. Revised Certificate Fees Revised fees for certificates will come into effect on 1 April 2003. The standard fee for a full certificate of birth, marriage, death or adoption will be £7.00. Certificate Fees Each year the fees charged for certificates by the General Register Office are reviewed during the months of October/November. Our aim in setting the statutory fee is to ensure that ONS only recovers the costs relating to the service provided. The efficiency measures implemented over the last few years have meant that we have been able to maintain the current level of fees for the last 4 years. The review undertaken this year highlighted that, despite the efficiency measures and in order to meet our costs, certificate fees would have to be increased by 50 pence. Changes to the statutory fee have to be included in an Order agreed by the minister and laid before Parliament. This was completed in December 2002. For applications taken at the FRC, the revised fees, as from 1 April 2003, are as follows: Standard Service Full certificate of birth, marriage or death £7.00 Full certificate of adoption £7.00 Short certificate of birth £7.00 Short certificate of adoption £5.50 Priority Service Full certificate of birth, marriage or death £23.00 Full certificate of adoption £23.00 Short certificate of birth £23.00 Short certificate of adoption £21.50 The administration fee charged in cases where we are unable to produce a certificate will remain the same. This means that refunds will increase to £4.00. The complete list of revised fees will be included on the ONS website at www.statistics.gov.uk and displayed at the FRC in the near future. Charges at Local Register Offices are also being increased by 50 pence. Did you know....applications for certificates have increased by 52% in the past six years. The total number of applications received at Southport increased from 545,272 in 1996/1997 to 827,076 in 2001/2002 Pam

In a message dated 26/01/2003 05:01:05 GMT Standard Time, ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > Hi does anyone know anything about this pay site for exact replicas of the > 1837 census? > It isn't census if you are talking about 1837online.com..... it is the GRO indexes. The first week in January the site was saying that it was doing tests prior to its launch - but on trying today I'm getting a half blank page ... so when its likely to start is anybodys guess. Lynne in Carlisle

Hi Mary...... Is this an LDS film?? Sometimes if it is re-ordered you might get a better copy. Lately I notice that if a film is bad, there is a label on the film box saying so. Just a thought........you could speak to one of the people in charge. Heather (in a bitterly cold Ontario......grin) > Hi Listers > Searching the 1841 film, but it is barely readable. Are there any other available means. of finding persons living in Carlisle (probably Caldewgate) at that time? > Any suggestions welcome.. Name is JANE McMANUS born in Ireland married in Carlisle in 1843 > Thanks > Mary in not too warm Ontario Canada > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Listers Searching the 1841 film, but it is barely readable. Are there any other available means. of finding persons living in Carlisle (probably Caldewgate) at that time? Any suggestions welcome.. Name is JANE McMANUS born in Ireland married in Carlisle in 1843 Thanks Mary in not too warm Ontario Canada

William MITCHINSON and Sarah SCOTT were married at St. Mary, Carlisle, on 16 Oct 1852. Both their addresses were given as Milburn Street. They emigrated to Melbourne on the "Miles Barton", which left Liverpool on 27 Apr 1853. With them was their 10-month-old daughter Jane Elizabeth, who clearly must have been born before their marriage. A birthday book belonging to a descendant gives Jane Elizabeth's birth as 10 Mar 1852. (Perhaps her age on the passenger list was her age when they booked the ticket?) According to her daughter's birth certificate in NZ, Jane was born in Carlisle. I'm having problems finding Jane Elizabeth's birth. She was not registered as MITCHINSON. There is only one Jane Elizabeth SCOTT born in Cumberland in the civil registration indexes for 1852, and that is in March 1852 in Cockermouth District. There is no matching baptism in the IGI. Sarah SCOTT herself was baptised in Caldbeck on 07 Nov 1830, daughter of Isaac SCOTT and Jane late SIBSON, who had been married in Caldbeck in 1829 (all from IGI). But Caldbeck is in Wigton District, not Cockermouth. I thought it might help to find Sarah SCOTT and/or her parents Isaac and Jane SCOTT on the 1851 census - if the parents lived in Cockermouth District, that would make it more likely that the birth of Jane Elizabeth in Cockermouth District is correct. I cannot find any of them in the Carlisle Part 1 and 2 transcript and index (except for William MITCHINSON, who lived in Denton Holm). Can anybody with an index for the 1851 census for the other parts of Carlisle, for Caldbeck or for anywhere in Cockermouth District have a look for the following people please? Sarah SCOTT, age 20 - she gives her profession as grocer at her marriage, but later worked as a dressmaker. She was probably born in Caldbeck (possibly Hesket Newmarket). Isaac SCOTT, grocer, and his wife Jane SCOTT - they are likely to be in their 40s. Many thanks, Petra

Is there a Sandra out there who used to have the address ...Malcandsan@btinternet.com.... a DEVINE researcher - if so would she please contact me - sure I have some information for her. Lynne in Carlisle

Hi does anyone know anything about this pay site for exact replicas of the 1837 census? Its not ready yet and doesnt say when. Apologies if this has already been discussed and overlooked by me. Regards, Sue.

List, In response to my recent posts of certificate witnesses I've gotten some great replies. One thread is going - the informant for the death of David McClean, in Harrington in 1839, was Mary [appears to be] Gribbin. One lister mentioned that David had a daughter Mary baptized 1811 in Harrington. Wonder if this is her ? Anyone familiar with a McClean / Gribbin marriage ? David

List, I must apologize for a recent post of mine titled "Name Evolution" ; it was disingenuous and misleading. And I should know better. While scanning some certificates to send to a list member I reviewed one from 1993 that I had not looked at since. For some reason I had it in my mind that the spelling of a child's middle name in 1860 had changed to "McLean" ; it had not not. He was listed as Stuart McClean Carlton. I can be very harsh on those who research and transcribe poorly ; fairness dictates no double standard. David Knowles

I have been given a copy of a marriage certificate for William Ratcliffe and Frances Walker who married 13 August 1881 at St. Bees. Both were aged 21, William a Stoker of Egremont, son of James a Tanner and Frances a spinster of Moor Close, St. Bees, daughter of William a husbandman. I understand that the couple emigrated to Argentina where William worked on the railways. There are apparently no passenger records in Argentina. Can anyone suggest any other line of approach? I have tried the Emigration website but the only query relating to emigration to Argentina around that time has been left unanswered. I have no personal interest in this other than an Isaac Mossop was named as a witness at the wedding though he does not appear to have been a relative but I will pass any suggestions on to the enquirer. He is asking if any record would be kept by the port, ship, passport office or railway company. Any ideas? Jill

Jill, The Immigration Ships Transcribers Guild (ISTG) ( http://istg.rootsweb.com/ ) is an ongoing project to post passenger lists. I only saw 2 to Argentina and 2 to Brazil ; may get lucky. And they add new ones pretty frequently . There was also a list of Irish to Argentina that was compiled from somewhere else. David In a message dated 1/22/03 3:36:30 PM Central Standard Time, jjcoulthard@btinternet.com writes: > <snip> > I understand that the couple emigrated to Argentina where William worked on > the railways. There are apparently no passenger records in Argentina. > Can anyone suggest any other line of approach? I have tried the > Emigration website but the only query relating to emigration to Argentina > around that time has been left unanswered. > <snip> Any ideas? > > > Jill > > >

Kevin, Yes that is absolutely them ; and I will be sending you off list a number of certificates that I have. David Knowles ps That Thomas Birkett looks intriguing . A while ago I posted a message - "Steve Bulman has posted 7 of my old photos at his site - http://www.stevebulman.f9.co.uk/cumbria/ - under frames / photographs / old family photographers." I believe some, perhaps all, are Birketts from Cumberland. Have you had a chance to look ? In a message dated 1/22/03 3:14:33 AM Central Standard Time, KRCSC writes: > Hi David, > > The name McClean rang a bell in my files. On checking I have found the > following family. > > Is this family the one you are talking about ? If it is I would appreciate > a copy of the cert. > > Best Wishes > Kevin Robinson >

Hi, looking for the following familes, Henry Marsden, Mary Jane McNeil, Hannah Harper, Daniel briscoe. My husband's gr grandmother, Hannah Briscoe, has on her death cert. parents Daniel Briscoe & mother Hannah Harper of Cockermouth.Hannah Briscoe was born July 1839 in C'mouth. Have found no record of a Hannah Harper b between 1815 - 1820 in Cul. Can anyone suggest anything? kind regards Judy Marsden

Hi David, The name McClean rang a bell in my files. On checking I have found the following family. Descendants of David McClean 1 David McClean +Jane _ 2 William McClean b: 1801 Baptism: 29 March 1801 Harrington, CUL _ 2 Eleanor McClean b: 1804 in Harrington, CUL d: 29 September 1883 in Blindcrake, CUL Burial: 2 October 1883 Isel, CUL Baptism: 4 November 1804 Harrington, CUL ___ +Thomas Birkett b: 21 January 1805 in Bridekirk, CUL m: 15 May 1826 in Isel, Cumberland d: 7 March 1890 in Arlecdon, CUL Burial: 11 March 1890 Isel, CUL Father: Henry Birkett Mother: Esther Oswell Baptism: 17 February 1805 Bridekirk, CUL _ 2 Stuart McClean b: 1807 Baptism: 11 October 1807 Harrington, CUL _ 2 Mary McClean b: 1811 Baptism: 28 April 1811 Harrington, CUL _ 2 David McClean b: 1814 Baptism: 12 June 1814 Harrington, CUL _ 2 Jane McClean b: 1818 Baptism: 6 September 1818 Harrington, CUL Is this family the one you are talking about ? If it is I would appreciate a copy of the cert. Best Wishes Kevin Robinson DOUST GENEALOGY Web Site: http://www.doustgenealogy.co.uk Cumberland Free Census Online Project http://freecen.rootsweb.com http://www.cumberlanduk.com/members/kevinrobinson/freecenhome.htm Doust Surname Mailing List: DOUST-L@rootsweb.com

Am more than happy to scan and forward copies of anything I receive. Buzz me. David

In most cases don't know who they are ; and am probably not related. 1.1839 Lowca, Harrington Whitehaven (witness at a death, "Her mark") Mary Gribbin (unfortunately it is indistinct ; there is a "b" in November and an "l" in McClean that either one could fit - it may be Grilbin, Griblin, or Grillin). 2.1839 Lowca, Harrington Whitehaven Registrar Thomas Harrison 3.1879 Dearham "Cause of death certified by" "John Creraz M.R.C.P. & L.R.C.S.E." [The "z" is questionable (and may be an "r") and the "&" may be an "E"] 4.1879 Dearham Registrar Thomas Discon [The "c" does not match the other lower case "c"s on the page but it also has no tail so is probably not a lower case "g"] David

Just received the death certificate for David "Mc Clean" father of Jane (McLean) Carlton. David died in 1839 and the surname is "Mc Clean". I have seen Jane listed as a Mc Clean and as a McLean. Jane's youngest son (born June 1856 and died 17 March 1860) was listed on his death certificate as Stewart "McLean'" Carlton. In just 21 years the surname dropped the 2nd "C". Which is comparable to the Carltons - in roughly the same time period, my line, went from Carleton to Carlton. David

On a death certificate from 1878 - there is no listing for parents, place of birth, etc. But this is the entry under "Signature, description and residence of informant" - "David Carlton, Son in Law, in attendance, Craika Terrace, Dearham." Every document is valuable ! David

Just received 2 death certificates from the GRO. God I love this hobby. David