A big thank you to everyone who answered my queries. Been to some interesting websites and will follow up. E.B

Can anyone tell me where HASTON TRINGHAM is located in the British Isles?

Excellent site for those of us who transcribe olde willes. (G) I also have Eve's book and a couple of handouts from a genie prof I know. And then there is a website that I haven't tried yet....... But apparently the #1 site for learning Court Hand and other olde styles of writing is right here at the University of Toronto........they have a course in it. Should get off my 'duff' and go take one. I got the OK to view the website and then forgot about it......grin. Thanks......Figgs > Umm, good stuff here. > > Alphabets. Transcripts. You name it, it's got it. > > http://www.english.cam.ac.uk/ceres/ehoc/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L. Toleikis" <ttime@islandnet.com> > To: <UK-ULVERSTON-FHS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: 29 January 2003 18:31 > Subject: [ULV:] FW: [LOEW] Fw: English Handwriting 1500-1700: An > Online Course > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Janice Taylor" <jantayl@HOTMAIL.COM> > > To: <ARCHIVES-NRA@JISCMAIL.AC.UK> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 1:45 PM > > Subject: English Handwriting 1500-1700: An Online Course > > > > > > Posted on behalf of Andrew Zurcher > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > English Handwriting 1500-1700: An Online Course > > > http://www.english.cam.ac.uk/ceres/ehoc/ > > > > > > I am pleased to announce the public launch of a new resource > for early > > > modern English palaeography, 'English Handwriting 1500-1700: > An Online > > > Course'. This electronic resource, a project of the Cambridge > English > > > Renaissance Electronic Service (CERES), has been jointly > developed and > > > written by the usual suspects at CERES: Andrew Zurcher > (that's me), Gavin > > > Alexander, and Raphael Lyne. The extensive collection of > images and > > > supporting materials that we have compiled for the > course--reflecting the > > > generosity of a wide group of individuals and institutions > here in > > > Cambridge, and representative of the strong local manuscript > collections > > > and tradition--should prove useful to beginners and more > experienced > > > palaeographers alike. While the course lessons are designed > for > > > palaeographical newcomers (e.g. at the graduate level), the > flexibility of > > > the resource's overall design should make it equally useful > for those > > > desiring to refresh or focus their manuscript skills. > > > > > > This project has been funded by a HEFCE grant (through the > Centre for > > > Applied Research in Educational Technologies, > http://www.caret.cam.ac.uk) > > > and is supported and generously hosted by the Faculty of > English at the > > > University of Cambridge, to whom we record our thanks. > > > > > > Please feel free to have a look, and to pass this > announcement on to your > > > colleagues and students. As always, we welcome positive and > > > (constructive!) negative feedback of all kinds, and hope with > your help to > > > improve the course as time goes on. Should you have any > questions or > > > problems accessing or using the site, please feel free to > email me at > > > aez20@cam.ac.uk > > > > > > Thanks very much, > > > > > > Andrew Zurcher > > > > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > > > Andrew Zurcher > > > Gonville & Caius College > > > Cambridge CB2 1TA > > > United Kingdom > > > tel: +44 1223 335 427 > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

It took me half a day to get the computer 'reconfigured' and now I've got it! What a treat; wonderful learning experience to look forward to and no excuse now for stalling over those old wills. (grin). Ann Brownrigg (Costa Rica) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Dickinson" <chris@dickinson.uk.net> To: <ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:45 AM Subject: [CUL-CAR] Fw: [ULV:] FW: [LOEW] Fw: English Handwriting 1500-1700: An Online Course > Umm, good stuff here. > > Alphabets. Transcripts. You name it, it's got it. > > http://www.english.cam.ac.uk/ceres/ehoc/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L. Toleikis" <ttime@islandnet.com> > To: <UK-ULVERSTON-FHS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: 29 January 2003 18:31 > Subject: [ULV:] FW: [LOEW] Fw: English Handwriting 1500-1700: An > Online Course > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Janice Taylor" <jantayl@HOTMAIL.COM> > > To: <ARCHIVES-NRA@JISCMAIL.AC.UK> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 1:45 PM > > Subject: English Handwriting 1500-1700: An Online Course > > > > > > Posted on behalf of Andrew Zurcher > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > English Handwriting 1500-1700: An Online Course > > > http://www.english.cam.ac.uk/ceres/ehoc/ > > > > > > I am pleased to announce the public launch of a new resource > for early > > > modern English palaeography, 'English Handwriting 1500-1700: > An Online > > > Course'. This electronic resource, a project of the Cambridge > English > > > Renaissance Electronic Service (CERES), has been jointly > developed and > > > written by the usual suspects at CERES: Andrew Zurcher > (that's me), Gavin > > > Alexander, and Raphael Lyne. The extensive collection of > images and > > > supporting materials that we have compiled for the > course--reflecting the > > > generosity of a wide group of individuals and institutions > here in > > > Cambridge, and representative of the strong local manuscript > collections > > > and tradition--should prove useful to beginners and more > experienced > > > palaeographers alike. While the course lessons are designed > for > > > palaeographical newcomers (e.g. at the graduate level), the > flexibility of > > > the resource's overall design should make it equally useful > for those > > > desiring to refresh or focus their manuscript skills. > > > > > > This project has been funded by a HEFCE grant (through the > Centre for > > > Applied Research in Educational Technologies, > http://www.caret.cam.ac.uk) > > > and is supported and generously hosted by the Faculty of > English at the > > > University of Cambridge, to whom we record our thanks. > > > > > > Please feel free to have a look, and to pass this > announcement on to your > > > colleagues and students. As always, we welcome positive and > > > (constructive!) negative feedback of all kinds, and hope with > your help to > > > improve the course as time goes on. Should you have any > questions or > > > problems accessing or using the site, please feel free to > email me at > > > aez20@cam.ac.uk > > > > > > Thanks very much, > > > > > > Andrew Zurcher > > > > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > > > Andrew Zurcher > > > Gonville & Caius College > > > Cambridge CB2 1TA > > > United Kingdom > > > tel: +44 1223 335 427 > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ______________________________

Boarders, as the word suggests, paid for food as well as lodging while lodgers paid only for their rooms. Malcolm Borrowdale (Swinton, Lancs.) ----- Original Message ----- From: <CDKnow@aol.com> To: <ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 11:29 PM Subject: [CUL-CAR] In Laws > Hi, > > Still trying to figure out an entry I came across in the 1881 census ; came > across this one today - > > In Whitehaven a 53 year old widowed woman keeps a lodge. Next in the > "household" is a 33 old married male "boarder". The next 2 appear to be > husband and wife, John Carlton age 23 married "lodger" & Mary J. Carlton age > 24 married "lodger". > > Next after Mary is Agnes Wilkinson "Mother in law", widowed and age 50. > > Then 2 more lodgers. > > Questions - > 1. You don't suppose a 50 year old is mother in law to a 53 year old? I've > always read relationship was to head of house ; but have seen enough returns > to know quirks and eccentricities (of the enumerator) can creep in. > > 2. Is it just "change of pace" or is there a difference between "boarder" and > "lodger". > > And please don't tell me I'm grasping at straws - I already know that. :>) > > David >

E.B. Not quite sure what your question is. If you're wondering whats on it I can send you a scan of one I just received. Let me know, David

Hi David, Two possibilities come to mind: 1. The ages may not be transcribed correctly in the first place - you would need to check the original enumerator's page and perhaps other censuses to confirm that the ages given are consistent 2. Mother-in-law may be stepmother (having married a widowed husband much older than herself with grown-up children). I have in my own family tree a mother and daughter - both widowed - who married brothers two years apart in age, so I can believe almost anything is possible where convoluted relationships are concerned! Best wishes, Roz

Hi, Name, age, date and place of death, occupation, cause of death, name and address and relationship of informant. Regards, Sue.

I am thinking of sending for a death certificate before the cost increases in April, for my 4x gt grand father Nicol Haughan (1864). How much of interest is there for a keen genealogist? E.B

Jill, We were talking about the ISTG the other day; and just received the following tonight. David RootsWeb Review: RootsWeb's Weekly E-zine Vol. 6, No. 5, 29 January 2003, Circulation: 1,023,552 (c) 1998-2003 RootsWeb.com, Inc. http://www.rootsweb.com/ Editor: Myra Vanderpool Gormley, Certified Genealogist Editor-RWR@rootsweb.com Certification: http://www.bcgcertification.org/certification/ 1. News and Notes: ------------------ 1a. The Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild (ISTG), one of the several hosted volunteer projects at RootsWeb, announces the addition of maritime news articles excerpted from Irish newspapers, dating from 1700-1912. These articles have been contributed primarily to ISTG by Dennis Ahern, with some contributions by Cathy Joynt Labath and Alison Causton. The names of ships and surnames mentioned in the articles are indexed. Visit Irish Maritime News Articles by starting here: http://istg.rootsweb.com/newsarticles/ireland1700_1849.html Additional maritime newspaper articles, dating from the 1700s to 1940 and listed by year, ship name, or article subject are available at: http://istg.rootsweb.com/newsarticles/newsarticles.html * * *

Umm, good stuff here. Alphabets. Transcripts. You name it, it's got it. http://www.english.cam.ac.uk/ceres/ehoc/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. Toleikis" <ttime@islandnet.com> To: <UK-ULVERSTON-FHS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 29 January 2003 18:31 Subject: [ULV:] FW: [LOEW] Fw: English Handwriting 1500-1700: An Online Course > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janice Taylor" <jantayl@HOTMAIL.COM> > To: <ARCHIVES-NRA@JISCMAIL.AC.UK> > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 1:45 PM > Subject: English Handwriting 1500-1700: An Online Course > > > Posted on behalf of Andrew Zurcher > > Hello everyone, > > > > English Handwriting 1500-1700: An Online Course > > http://www.english.cam.ac.uk/ceres/ehoc/ > > > > I am pleased to announce the public launch of a new resource for early > > modern English palaeography, 'English Handwriting 1500-1700: An Online > > Course'. This electronic resource, a project of the Cambridge English > > Renaissance Electronic Service (CERES), has been jointly developed and > > written by the usual suspects at CERES: Andrew Zurcher (that's me), Gavin > > Alexander, and Raphael Lyne. The extensive collection of images and > > supporting materials that we have compiled for the course--reflecting the > > generosity of a wide group of individuals and institutions here in > > Cambridge, and representative of the strong local manuscript collections > > and tradition--should prove useful to beginners and more experienced > > palaeographers alike. While the course lessons are designed for > > palaeographical newcomers (e.g. at the graduate level), the flexibility of > > the resource's overall design should make it equally useful for those > > desiring to refresh or focus their manuscript skills. > > > > This project has been funded by a HEFCE grant (through the Centre for > > Applied Research in Educational Technologies, http://www.caret.cam.ac.uk) > > and is supported and generously hosted by the Faculty of English at the > > University of Cambridge, to whom we record our thanks. > > > > Please feel free to have a look, and to pass this announcement on to your > > colleagues and students. As always, we welcome positive and > > (constructive!) negative feedback of all kinds, and hope with your help to > > improve the course as time goes on. Should you have any questions or > > problems accessing or using the site, please feel free to email me at > > aez20@cam.ac.uk > > > > Thanks very much, > > > > Andrew Zurcher > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > Andrew Zurcher > > Gonville & Caius College > > Cambridge CB2 1TA > > United Kingdom > > tel: +44 1223 335 427 > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi, Still trying to figure out an entry I came across in the 1881 census ; came across this one today - In Whitehaven a 53 year old widowed woman keeps a lodge. Next in the "household" is a 33 old married male "boarder". The next 2 appear to be husband and wife, John Carlton age 23 married "lodger" & Mary J. Carlton age 24 married "lodger". Next after Mary is Agnes Wilkinson "Mother in law", widowed and age 50. Then 2 more lodgers. Questions - 1. You don't suppose a 50 year old is mother in law to a 53 year old? I've always read relationship was to head of house ; but have seen enough returns to know quirks and eccentricities (of the enumerator) can creep in. 2. Is it just "change of pace" or is there a difference between "boarder" and "lodger". And please don't tell me I'm grasping at straws - I already know that. :>) David

-------Original Message------- From: Sally Date: Monday, 27 January 2003 07:46:28 PM To: ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: St Mary's I would like information about the St Mary's Penitentiary Coalfell Hill, if SKS could tell me anything about the Penitentiary it would be appreciated. Could you also tell me what this abbreviations in the 1881 census at the Penitentiary would mean: (Rel) Relationship: Penitent (Occ) Occupation: Dom Serv General means Does this mean that she was a servant or an inmate? Best Wishes Sally

I would like to call on the expertise of the list for some help with 'dating' a photo book I just acquired. This photo book is entitles "Souvenir of Carlisle" published by Chas. Thurnam & Son of Carlisle. Inside states that it is part of "The Dainty Series". Also, "Photographic View Album of Carlisle - Chas. Thurman & Sons, Booksellers and Stationers, Carlisle". There is no date of publication. The photos are black and white and, guessing, taken around 1900 or earlier. {There are no automobiles or trams - although there are 'buses' and 'cab's drawn by horses}. Your ideas, comments, suggestion are most welcome. Bill Knight Resaerching all the KNIGHT's of Cumberland

Hello, I would like to submit my interests: Anne/Annie RUDDICK b:1869 Carlisle Joseph GRAHAM b: 1867 Carlisle John HART b:1864 Carlisle Elizabeth MUIR b: 1863 Carlisle Regards Sally

I would like information about the St Mary's Penitentiary Coalfell Hill, if SKS could tell me anything about the Penitentiary it would be appreciated. Could you also tell me what this abbreviations in the 1881 census at the Penitentiary would mean: (Rel) Relationship: Penitent (Occ) Occupation: Dom Serv General means Does this mean that she was a servant or an inmate? Best Wishes Sally

List, Does anyone have information on Robert CARRUTHERS Christened at St Mary's, Carlisle 11 November 1795? Parents were Joseph CARRUTHERS and Margaret WHITE Anything will help. Phillip Carruthers Brisbane, Queensland, AUSTRALIA Home Phone +617 3273 5531 Work Phone +617 3221 9277 Work Fax +617 3229 5475 Mobile 0411 643 427 Home e-mail pcarruth@bigpond.net.au Work e-mail p.carruthers@ndy.com

Hello My name is Carol Barber and I am a Co-ordinator for the FreeCensus Project for Yorkshire and Durham, some of you may already know of the project. It involves transcribing the 1891 Census from fiche, therefore access to a fiche reader is necessary, and uploaded to the FreeCensus Website for free for view access. At the moment we have 4 pieces uploaded for Yorkshire and in the very near future more will be added - the URL is http://freecen.rootsweb.com to see the overall project. The software necessary for the project can be downloaded from the website and location is no problem as the fiche will be posted to you by myself. We are looking for volunteers who would like to help with the transcriptions. If you would like further information about what is involved, please contact me at the above address. Regards Carol FreeCensus Co-ordinator for Durham and Yorkshire http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~westridingyorkshire

Please could svks look up 47 West Walls Carlisle Cumberland for me in the 1891 census?. In 1901 there was a Christopher Nixon and his wife Janet living there with the children, can you tell me whether their were there in 1891 please? The children were Mary Ann John Jessie Barbara Esther Christopher Thomas Edward Agnes The Father and all the children were born in Carlisle, but the Mother was born in Hexham Northumberland. TIA Diane Sowden

Greetings in Australia Day. With the assistance Sarah Lowther on the Somerset List, I think I've got a lead to my g.g.g.grandmother, Mary CARRUTHERS (nee SALKELD). In the 1851 census there was a family of women living at 17 Drovers Lane, Carlisle. Mary CARRUTHERS Head Widow 55yrs Nurse Born Cumberland Mary CARRUTHERS Daug Unm 31yrs Spinner Cotton Born Cumberland Elizabeth CARRUTHERS Daug Unm 22yrs Spinner Cotton Born Cumberland Anne CARRUTHERS Daug Unm 20yrs Spinner Cotton Born Cumberland Robertina CARRUTHERS Daug Unm 18yrs Spinner Cotton Born Cumberland IGI has them all born about the right dates and the father was Robert CARRUTHERS. All things being equal, they are the mother and siblings of my g.g.grandfather Robert Salkeld CARRUTHERS born in 1822 who emigrated to Australia in 1850 so missed the census. Further record on IGI say Robertina married Robert Cowan on Christmas day 1852 in Carlisle and Ann married John Alderson on 19 April 1856 in Carlisle. Does anyone have other information about the family or the death of Robert sometime onwards from 1831. Robertina was born 2 September 1832 so he must have been around until early 1832. If it is the right family, Robert and Mary were married in 1817 in Renwick. Any information will be appreciated. Phillip Carruthers Brisbane, Queensland, AUSTRALIA Home Phone +617 3273 5531 Work Phone +617 3221 9277 Work Fax +617 3229 5475 Mobile 0411 643 427 Home e-mail pcarruth@bigpond.net.au Work e-mail p.carruthers@ndy.com