I could use some help finding Phillipstown. I found the following records of two potential ancestors on a film of the church records of KirkAndrews upon Esk: 1686 "Anne daughter of Richard Rea of Phillipstown baptized March 31" 1698 "Janet Hellen[?] daughter of William and Janet Rea of Phillipstown bapt. Sept 24th" I have not been able to find "Phillipstown". I did find a "Pattenstown" but I'm pretty sure it is "Phillipstown". Your ideas and suggestions are most welcome. Bill Knight Chagrin Falls, Ohio

I have been researching on the GRO and kept coming across the district Castle W. What does the W stand for and where is it in Carlisle? The other question I would like to ask is, is there another site that you can access for WW1 information apart from the CWWG site. I have found an entry for one of my relatives but it doen't give an age and I would like to confirm a year of birth to tie up loose ends. Any suggestions welcome.

Hi, I just received a wedding certificate from 1874 in Cockermouth. It is very faint in places. The groom is Robert Birkett and says his father is Irving Birkett. (Bride is Sarah Carlton Stobart, widow). The father's profession is faint but it looks to be Lawyer. Was that term in use in England in 1874 for the legal profession ? I have other known letters on the cert and feel certain that it is _awyer. Unfortunately the first letter is the faintest and there's no capital L to compare to. Regards, David

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,61-625794,00.html Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net

Hi Listers, I have copies of a photograph of a couple taken outside a cottage in Nenthead, Alston in 1890. Does anyone know the type of camera that might have been used in those days? Researching MADGEN, MADGIN Thanks for your help Dotty way down in Surrey, England

Hi All.....some interesting new Lists from Rod Neep....... Cheers.........Heather List Admin - ENG-CUL heatherfig@rogers.com ===================================================================== British-Genealogy.com has a new set of mailing lists devoted to topical aspects of family history. http://www.british-genealogy.com TOPICAL MAILING LISTS * Ancestors Lifestyle A mailing list specifically for discussion about how our ancestors lived. Everything from tin baths to outside toilets, regional foods, etc. * Canals & Watermen A mailing list specifically for discussion about history and family history relating to canals and watermen. * Census (British) A mailing list specifically for discussion about British censuses, and how to get the most out of them for family history research. * Emigrants A mailing list specifically for those who had ancestors who emigrated from Britain to America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa, etc. How did they go about it, why did they do it? * Institutions (work-houses & hospitals) A mailing list specifically for discussion and help on institutions, such as work-houses, hospitals, etc. and how they relate to family history. * Mariners A mailing list specifically for discussion about British mariners, seafarers and the British navy, as it relates to history and family history. * Newspapers A mailing list specifically for discussion about old newspapers and where to locate them, obituaries, etc. and the use of old newspapers in family history research. * Occupations This mailing list is for the discussion of trades and occupations relating to history and family history. * Parish Law (poor law, settlement, bastardy, etc.) This mailing list is specifically for the discussion of parish law, poor law, rights of settlement, and bastardy, etc. as the law related to our ancestors. * Railwaymen A mailing list specifically for discussion of ancestors who were employed railwaymen, and the history of the various British railway companies. * Reading old documents A mailing list specifically for discussion about how to read old documents such as parish registers, wills, etc. Old handwriting, Latin in old documents, etc. * Sojourners (circus people, travellers, etc.) This mailing list is specifically for discussion about "sojourners" - people who are visitors to a parish (passing through), such as gypsies, travellers, circus and fairground people, travelling hawkers, railway labourers, etc. People who are, not surprisingly, difficult to track down in our family history research. * Town life A mailing list specifically for discussion about life in towns and cities as applied to family history research. * Village life A mailing list specifically for discussion about village and rural life as applied to our ancestors and family history research. Farmers, agricultural labourers, cottagers, etc. To subscribe to any of these mailing lists, or the British county mailing lists to help you with your family history research, go to: http://www.british-genealogy.com

Hi All...... Just wanted to let you know that I am now the List Administrator for Rod Neep's Cumberland List......and it has been a hectic few days. The undertaking is huge as he is covering all of Britain, Scotland, Wales etc. But I think it will be mesh well with Chris' Lists and we can all work together to find those 'missing links and brick walls'. Have a look at Rod's website and see the amazing number of counties and varying subjects he has set up Lists for. When I get a free minute, there is one in Scotland I intend to investigate re my BOWNESS line. Have a look at the following link, and I hope you will think about joining up on our new List. There are a lot of familiar names on there already. http://www.british-genealogy.com Cheers.........Heather List Admin - ENG-CUL heatherfig@rogers.com

Hi, looking for descendants of Daniel Briscoe & Elizabeth Brockbank? I believe they m abt 1839's in Cockermouth. Daniel died abt 1850 & Elizabeth not long after. Was wondering what happened to the children. I think there was a jane, and another 2 girls & a boy. many thanks Judy Marsden

Faugh is about six miles east of Carlisle. It is in Hayton parish and I imagine the parish records there would be the best place to start looking for Mary Ackle. Peter Ostle visit the family websites at www.ostle.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis and Betty Leebel To: ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 1:22 AM Subject: [CUL-CAR] Carlisle/St. Cuthbert's Research Dear List Members, I just recenty subscribed to the ENG-CUM-CAR Digest and have a few general questions to pose to other users of the list. I am researching the Nicholson's, Lowes/Lows, and Ackles families starting around the time William Nicholson married Mary Ann Lowes and emigrated to the US (early to mid 1860's). The Nicholson's and Lowes are from St. Cuthbert's Parish and I am searching the church records for the period 1752 to 1862. I also have ordered the Carlisle/ St. Cuthbert censuses for 1851 and 1871. All the records are from the LDS microfilm files. Mary Ann Lowes parents were Thomas Lowes and Mary Ackle. Mary Ackle was from Faugh which I know is close to St. Cuthbert's. Does anyone have any idea what church Mary would have belonged to if she was from Faugh? Also, does anyone know of any other church or civil records which might help me ? And lastly, is anyone aware of any family genealogies that may relate to my families of interest? Thanks in advance for any assistance anyone may be able to provide. Best of luck in your research. Dennis Leebel Beltsville, MD ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello Dennis, Please check out Barry Lawman's website, for starters. www.cumberlandroots.co.uk He has been very helpful to me. Also one by Les Strong. Sorry I have lost his site address, due to a computer crash. I am sure that you will hear from SKS in Cumberland, who would be very willing to help you. They are a wonderful bunch! Best of luck with your search. Regards, Marjorie in NV. In a message dated 3/19/2003 5:27:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, leebel@erols.com writes: > Dear List Members, > I just recenty subscribed to the ENG-CUM-CAR Digest and have a few > general questions to pose to other users of the list. I am researching > the Nicholson's, Lowes/Lows, and Ackles families starting around the > time William Nicholson married Mary Ann Lowes and emigrated to the US > (early to mid 1860's). The Nicholson's and Lowes are from St. > Cuthbert's Parish and I am searching the church records for the period > 1752 to 1862. I also have ordered the Carlisle/ St. Cuthbert censuses > for 1851 and 1871. All the records are from the LDS microfilm files. > Mary Ann Lowes parents were Thomas Lowes and Mary Ackle. Mary Ackle > was from Faugh which I know is close to St. Cuthbert's. Does anyone have > any idea what church Mary would have belonged to if she was from Faugh? > Also, does anyone know of any other church or civil records which might > help me ? And lastly, is anyone aware of any family genealogies that > may relate to my families of interest? > > Thanks in advance for any assistance anyone may be able to provide. > Best of luck in your research. > Dennis Leebel > Beltsville, MD >

Dear List Members, I just recenty subscribed to the ENG-CUM-CAR Digest and have a few general questions to pose to other users of the list. I am researching the Nicholson's, Lowes/Lows, and Ackles families starting around the time William Nicholson married Mary Ann Lowes and emigrated to the US (early to mid 1860's). The Nicholson's and Lowes are from St. Cuthbert's Parish and I am searching the church records for the period 1752 to 1862. I also have ordered the Carlisle/ St. Cuthbert censuses for 1851 and 1871. All the records are from the LDS microfilm files. Mary Ann Lowes parents were Thomas Lowes and Mary Ackle. Mary Ackle was from Faugh which I know is close to St. Cuthbert's. Does anyone have any idea what church Mary would have belonged to if she was from Faugh? Also, does anyone know of any other church or civil records which might help me ? And lastly, is anyone aware of any family genealogies that may relate to my families of interest? Thanks in advance for any assistance anyone may be able to provide. Best of luck in your research. Dennis Leebel Beltsville, MD

You may like to know that Rod Neep has started a new national system of free mailing lists at: http://www.british-genealogy.com The Cumberland list seems to be up and running, but a permanent List Administrator has yet to be appointed. Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-admin@rootsweb.com ENG-CUL-COPELAND-admin@rootsweb.com

Hi listers, Can some kind person help with a lookup for the following record? As shown at 1881 census: Frances Thompson Female age: 54 Millom, Cumberland, England. Wife of Daniel Thompson Dwelling: Moor house Census place: St. Bees, Cumberland, England I need to know what last name had Frances before get married. Best regards. Andy Ratcliffe Argentina

Sorry to butt in, but I have extracted BATY entries from Kirkandrews in the past, and I have some slight differences. This is not meant to be a criticism of Bill!!! My transcriptions were from the BTs on the LDS film while Bill's are probably from the Parish Registers as they contain more details. Of course there is no telling whether Bill's or my version is the correct one! Some of these old documents are incredibly difficult to read, particularly on microfilm. 1755 Marriage: I have the second witness as John TURNBULL. 1756 Marriage: I have Jane BATY's abode as Shadewellcrook [the Cumberland Place Name Index has a Shadwellcrook in Kirkandrews]. Also, I have the second witness as John RIDLEY. 1759 Marriage: This was definitely in 1758, not 1759, as the Rector Mr BATY was buried on 02 Dec 1758! Best wishes, Petra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Knight" <redlegs7@apk.net> To: <CUMBERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:46 PM Subject: [CUL] BATY - Marriages in Kirk Andrews upon Esk > I promised to do a 'lookup' for a fellow lister some time ago and have > lost his address. So, I'm listing them below and hope he will get back > to me: > > 1755 Marriage > "William Armstrong of Longtown of the Parish of Arthuret of County of > Cumberland and Mary Baty of Brayhead of the Parish of Kirk:Andrews of > the County afored were Married in this Church by Banns this ninth Day of > December in the Year One Thousand Seven Hundred and fifty five by me > Rich'd Baty [Rector] > This Marriage solemnized between us -- William Armstrong his mark Mary > Baty her mark > In the Presence of -- Edward Armstrong John Turnbill" > > 1756 Marriage > "John Knight of Easton of the Parish of Bowness of the County of > Cumberland and Jane Baty of Shadowellenook of the Parish of Kirk > :Andrews upon Esk of the County afored were Married in this Church by > Banns this Second Day of May in the Year One Thousand Seven Hundred and > fifty six by me Rich'd Baty [Rector] > This Marriage was solemnized between us -- John Knight Jane Baty her mark > In the Presence of -- John Baty John Bidley" > > 1759 Marriage > "Robert Bell of Bankshead of the Parish of Kirk:Andrews upon Esk of > County of Cumberland and Mary Baty of Staggmire of the Parish of > Arthuret of County afored were Married in this Church by License this > seventh Day of June in the Year One Thousand Seven Hundred and fifty > nine by me Rich'd Baty [Rector] > This Marriage was solemnized between us -- Robert Bell Mary Baty > In the Presence of -- Robert Baty Richard Story" > > Sorry, if this offends anyone sensibilities. > > Bill Knight > Chagrin Falls, Ohio > Researching all the KNIGHT's of Cumberland

----- Original Message ----- From: Suehisc@aol.com To: Petra.Mitchinson@doctors.org.uk Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [CUL-CAR] Re: BURTON HALL - GRIFFITHS-Brownrigg There is a Burton Hall at Bamburgh in Northumberland if thats of any interest. Regards, Sue.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Mayall" <dave@research-group.co.uk> Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.britain Sent: 10 March 2003 13:28 Subject: FreeBMD and records 1903-1983 > It would appear that over the weekend there has been extensive > speculation regarding the position of FreeBMD and newer records > on a number of lists. > > I understand that the tone on some lists has been less than > pleasant as rival viewpoints are expressed. > > It never ceases to amaze me the amount of argument that can be > had > by people who don't know the answer, rather than waiting for an > answer. It's not as if questions about FreeBMD go unanswered! > > The definitive position is; > > 1) From 1st April 2003, FreeBMD will make available all the > data it holds from 1903 to 1983. > 2) FreeBMD holds a significant amount of data for 1903-1906 > 3) FreeBMD holds very little data for 1907-1983 > 4) There is no intention at present to actively transcribe more > recent data. We have quite enough to do with 1837-1903. > > I hope this clarifies the position, and will avoid the need for > endless discussion in dozens of groups. > > Please feel free to copy this message

Hi Ann, I'm afraid there is no Burton Hall in the Cumberland Place Name Index. The only place starting with Burton is Burton High in Whitehaven, grid reference NX 98 18. The only Bur..... Hall is Burthwaite Hall in St. Cuthberts Carlisle at grid reference NY 41 50. Nothing helpful under Ber..... or Bir..... either, and no Barton Hall. There is a Brayton Hall in Aspatria parish at grid reference NY 16 42, which sounds vaguely similar. Sorry, nothing definite. Petra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Brownrigg" <rmbcgg@racsa.co.cr> To: <ENG-CUL-COPELAND-D@rootsweb.com> Cc: <ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 5:42 PM Subject: BURTON HALL - GRIFFITHS-Brownrigg > Dear List, > > One of my Brownriggs, Henry (b.c.1690-1741) emigrated to Ireland and married > (don't know where) Elizabeth, daughter of Griffiths of BURTON HALL, > Cumberland. > > Does anyone know where Burton Hall is/was situated? > > Thank you. > Ann Brownrigg > (Costa Rica) >

Sorry to post this on the list but, I'm having trouble with the unsubcribe. Regards Sally

I promised to do a 'lookup' for a fellow lister some time ago and have lost his address. So, I'm listing them below and hope he will get back to me: 1755 Marriage "William Armstrong of Longtown of the Parish of Arthuret of County of Cumberland and Mary Baty of Brayhead of the Parish of Kirk:Andrews of the County afored were Married in this Church by Banns this ninth Day of December in the Year One Thousand Seven Hundred and fifty five by me Rich'd Baty [Rector] This Marriage solemnized between us -- William Armstrong his mark Mary Baty her mark In the Presence of -- Edward Armstrong John Turnbill" 1756 Marriage "John Knight of Easton of the Parish of Bowness of the County of Cumberland and Jane Baty of Shadowellenook of the Parish of Kirk :Andrews upon Esk of the County afored were Married in this Church by Banns this Second Day of May in the Year One Thousand Seven Hundred and fifty six by me Rich'd Baty [Rector] This Marriage was solemnized between us -- John Knight Jane Baty her mark In the Presence of -- John Baty John Bidley" 1759 Marriage "Robert Bell of Bankshead of the Parish of Kirk:Andrews upon Esk of County of Cumberland and Mary Baty of Staggmire of the Parish of Arthuret of County afored were Married in this Church by License this seventh Day of June in the Year One Thousand Seven Hundred and fifty nine by me Rich'd Baty [Rector] This Marriage was solemnized between us -- Robert Bell Mary Baty In the Presence of -- Robert Baty Richard Story" Sorry, if this offends anyone sensibilities. Bill Knight Chagrin Falls, Ohio Researching all the KNIGHT's of Cumberland

Hi Bryan, The Cumberland Place Name Index has no Langlands Head, only a Langland in Dacre parish at grid reference NY 46 30. As other listers already mentioned, there is a Longlands Head in Kirkbride parish at grid reference NY 21 55. There are also several places called Longlands: in Ennerdale parish at NY 05 14 in Gosforth parish at NY 05 04 in Lanercost parish at NY 55 67 in Uldale parish at NY 26 35 There is also a Longlands Moor in Aikton parish at NY 25 54, and a Longhead in Wigton parish at NY 24 48. Longlands Head in Kirkbride still seems the most likely place. Regards, Petra ----- Original Message ----- From: <TheCoopster53MR@aol.com> To: <ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 4:15 PM Subject: [CUL-CAR] Where is Langlands Head? > Hi Everybody, > > Can anyone tell me where Langlands Head is please? Any help appreciated. > > Regards, > > Bryan