Hi All Are any of the census for Carlisle surname or street indexed ? I'm off to the record centre Myddelton Street London later this year looking for Andersons / Bowman' from Carlisle, and I need all the help I can get !!! Carlisle is a bit far for a day trip from Devon. Happy hunting all K in Devon.

Hello, On a Church of Scotland burial registry in (old) Huntingdon County, Canada a man was described as a "Native of Torres, Cumberland." I don't recognize the name of the witness so I'm not sure how acurate it may be. I couldn't find it on any of my old map/old gazetteer sites ; but a number of options come up on new maps. One is in Northumberland, hard on the borders of both Cumberland and Scotland. Is the witness mistaken or was this in Cumberland at one time ? Regards, David

Hi, Does anyone have a copy of the book - "Maryport Another Street Another Life People in business 1752 - 1994 An Exciting Mini History" There is a listing in there of the dates that Hesket Andrews had his photography shop in Senhouse Street. It would greatly help me near in on some old photos and identify the people. Regards, David

possibles: Ewart, Tulley, Forster. Hi, I have an ancestor, Rebecca Ewart, born 3 Sept 1829 in Canada. In the 1900 Nebraska census she said her father was born England and mother born Scotland. I have a letter from 1980, without citings, that says her parents were George Ewart and Jeanette Tulley ; and that his parents were Thomas Ewart and Videt Foster. The IGI lists an extraction from the BTs of a marriage at Kirk Andrews upon Esk for a Thos. Ewart and a Violet Forster. And from the records of the Scots Presbyterian Church Neither Knowe Meeting House Bewcastle there are "births" cited for 7 children with parents Thomas Ewart and Violet . Anyone familiar with any of these names ? Thanks, David

Hello lists, Finally had the chance to check out a site I heard of recently - the new PRO DocumentsOnline - www.documentsonline.pro.gov.uk . They have only PCC Wills - Prerogative Court of Canterbury. Where were Cumberland wills proved ? David

Hi All Apologies to you all for the lack of service over the last week or so. Originally the Lists2 server went down and this list (like many others) was offline for a couple of days. The server was put back online, but it soon became clear that the Digests weren't functioning properly, so the server was taken offline again in order to fix that particular problem. For the last few days, two Rootsweb staff have been slaving away to get things to work and, as I understand it, have now restored realtime flow. So new messages should come through as normal. What they haven't yet done is to restore posts sent while the server was offline - they'll start this process in a few hours time and you should see old messages dribbling through out-of-order over the next few days. Hope that this clarifies the situation. If you don't find that messages are coming through, either I've misunderstood or a new problem has emerged! Chris ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-admin@rootsweb.com ENG-CUL-COPELAND-admin@rootsweb.com

Greetings, Can I ask those in possession of old Cumberland papers to keep an eye open for Dr Isaac Fletcher of Workington. Articles on him should crop up quite often and I would be grateful if you could pass on to me the date, page and column number. T.I.A. Sue.

The Public Record Office has merged with the Historical Manuscripts Commission to form a new body, the National Archives. You can access this at: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ This address has been in operation since yesterday and gives you a full explanation of the changes. Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net

Dear List, My GGGF, James TELFORD, was born in CARLISLE, St Cuthbert's Parish, abt Aug 1800. He enlisted in the Royal Sappers as a Drummer at age 10, and married my GGGM, Mary Ann NUGENT (1804-1870) of Ireland in Quebec City, Canada in 1825. He is believed to be the s/o William and Mary [BOOTHMAN] TELFORD. They were married at St Cuthberts in 1797. PRO shows he was a member of the 9th Battalion, Royal Artillery and was born in BRAMPTON, Solport Parish abt Nov 1775. IGI shows a marriage of James TELFORD and Elizabeth JOHNSTON, 06 March 1775, BRAMPTON. [ William's father???] Will appreciate any comments on these connections and any info on siblings. Thanks much. Robert Telford Melbourne, FL

Dear Listers, Can any-one help me with the following names: Aaron Anderson born around 1830 in Carlisle, and Elizabeth Young born around the same time, also in Carlisle. Hopefully, Evelyn

Castle Ward is a Registration District in Northumberland, just north west of Newcastle. It contains Ponteland and Stamfordham. Petra ----- Original Message ----- From: <BICKERTONP@aol.com> To: <ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 9:01 PM Subject: [CUL-CAR] Re: Castle W: plus WWi records > I have been researching on the GRO and kept coming across the district Castle > W. What does the W stand for and where is it in Carlisle? > The other question I would like to ask is, is there another site that you can > access for WW1 information apart from the CWWG site. I have found an entry > for one of my relatives but it doen't give an age and I would like to confirm > a year of birth to tie up loose ends. Any suggestions welcome.

Terry Jackson wrote: >Sure the term "lawyer" was around, and for a long time. Don't >you recall Shakespeare's famous line: "First we must kill all >the lawyers" I don't have a Dictionary of Quotations at hand to check that one :-) The other (informal) maxim about practicing lawyers is that they don't make wills for themselves! Guess they know the costs involved. I have this problem with a seventeenth-century ancestor. Variously described as a lawyer or attorney, he seems never to have got around to making a will. When he died in 1677, he dictated his will on his deathbed. This is annoying, because he left a property to a son Nathaniel (who existed as a known son) which seems to have ended up in the hands of a James (who isn't known as a son) - so was this the wandering mind of a man close to death or a mistake of the witness who wrote the will down or the diktat of a family conclave? Or maybe they just did these things to annoy future generations! Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net

Hello Judy - re the McNeils of Wigton - not according to my telephone directory. I live four miles out of Wigton and although there are 26 McNeils listed locally, there are none at that address. Hope this helps Peter Jackson

> Terry Jackson wrote: > > >Sure the term "lawyer" was around, and for a long time. Don't > >you recall Shakespeare's famous line: "First we must kill all > >the lawyers" I seem to recall that one.........or maybe it was one of my clients that said that.....grin!! > > The other (informal) maxim about practicing lawyers is that they > don't make wills for themselves! Guess they know the costs > involved. I assume you are joshing. Or are you referring to the shoemaker's children who had no shoes. Lawyers as a rule have very detailed Wills because they see what happens to those who don't......all too frequently. That was my favourite task in law......typing Wills. Had some very interesting ones too. As in one wealthy man who had a 40 page one.....to keep a certain religious cult that his daughter belonged to from getting their hands on any more of his money!! > > I have this problem with a seventeenth-century ancestor. > Variously described as a lawyer or attorney, he seems never to > have got around to making a will. When he died in 1677, he > dictated his will on his deathbed. This is annoying, because he > left a property to a son Nathaniel (who existed as a known son) > which seems to have ended up in the hands of a James (who isn't > known as a son) - so was this the wandering mind of a man close > to death or a mistake of the witness who wrote the will down or > the diktat of a family conclave? Or maybe they just did these > things to annoy future generations! In your case.....they probably did it just to annoy you (G). But what about some 'skulduggery' by this unknown James who perhaps was an illegitimate son who was emotionally closer to his father than the 'real son' Nathaniel??? I could make up all sorts of scenarios.......as I have seen a rather intriguing one in Ron's family (British Jamaican fellow by name of Cooper)......he had two wives, 15 legit children and 2 more illegit children.....he had an interesting way of differentiating. And can you guess who the wealthiest ones were? And not from inheritance? Yep, the illegitimate ones......by far. They were raised with the family and obviously given some sort of monetary assistance not covered by the Will....many reasons for that one. Hey......this is what makes this hobby/passion fun!! Wills are wonderfully informative and one wishes they were a fly on the wall when it was being drawn up. If I had a choice of documentation re ancestors, Wills win hands down!! They give the married names of daughters and so on. And the 'family dynamics'.......as in one shilling to the unfavourite son and the bulk to the others. And then there are the early 1500 British Wills I am translating for my husband's Canadian/English side......they fascinate me. Plus the writing bears little resemblance to English as we know it (court hand, I guess). Well that is my 2 cents worth......perhaps I will bring this discussion up on Eng-Cul......hopefully there are those that are interested in Wills and other sundry documents. Cheers......Heather List Admin. ENG-CUL

Hi All As some of you may be aware, Rootsweb has been having some quite serious problems over the last few days. The server that handles mail for this list (and all the Cumbrian lists bar CUL) went down on the 26th. One of the hard drives had to be replaced. Any mail that was being processed by the server when it self-destructed was lost. Any mail sent since has been stored (about 40000 messages) and is being released as quickly as possible. This process should be completed by now, but you may still find mail trickling through in the wrong order. If your post doesn't appear within the next 24 hours, try posting again. Sorry about the inconvenience of all this and the relative emptiness of your inboxes. At least you probably all had plenty of spam to look at :-) Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-admin@rootsweb.com ENG-CUL-COPELAND-admin@rootsweb.com

Sure the term "lawyer" was around, and for a long time. Don't you recall Shakespeare's famous line: "First we must kill all the lawyers" ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-D Digest Volume 03 : Issue 58 > >Today's Topics: > #1 [CUL-CAR] 1891 Maryport ["Bryan Richards" <Bryanrichards@bt] > #2 [CUL-CAR] Wigton ["Judy Marsden" <ggm@homedc.com.au>] > #3 [CUL-CAR] Re: Castle W: plus WWi r [BICKERTONP@aol.com] > #4 [CUL-CAR] Wigton lookup ["Judy Marsden" <ggm@homedc.com.au>] > #5 [CUL-CAR] Term for Legal Professio [CDKnow@aol.com] > #6 [CUL-CAR] Phillipstown [Bill Knight <redlegs7@apk.net>] > #7 Re: [CUL-CAR] Term for Legal Profe [Rod Neep <rod@neep.demon.co.uk>] > #8 [CUL-CAR] National Archives ["Chris Dickinson" <chris@dickinson] > #9 [CUL-CAR] ADMIN: recent server pro ["Chris Dickinson" <chris@dickinson] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-D, send a message to > > ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-D-request@rootsweb.com > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >To contact the ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-D list administrator, send mail to >ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-admin@rootsweb.com. > >______________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > [CUL-CAR] 1891 Maryport > From: > "Bryan Richards" <Bryanrichards@btinternet.com> > Date: > Sun, 30 Mar 2003 20:10:36 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) > To: > ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com > > >Hi List > > >Woud anyone happen to have access to 1891census Maryport >looking for Margaret Brisco - merchant seamans wife and >4 sons, was living 3 cathrine Street Crosscanonby in 1881. > >No sign of family in UK 1901 Census, maybe emigrated. > >regards > >Bryan Richards > >______________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > [CUL-CAR] Wigton > From: > "Judy Marsden" <ggm@homedc.com.au> > Date: > Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:02:42 +1000 > To: > ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com > > >Would anyone be able to tell me if there are McNeils still living at 56 King St, Wigton Please? >Thanks >Judy Marsden > >______________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > [CUL-CAR] Re: Castle W: plus WWi records > From: > BICKERTONP@aol.com > Date: > Sat, 29 Mar 2003 15:01:44 EST > To: > ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com > > >I have been researching on the GRO and kept coming across the district Castle >W. What does the W stand for and where is it in Carlisle? >The other question I would like to ask is, is there another site that you can >access for WW1 information apart from the CWWG site. I have found an entry >for one of my relatives but it doen't give an age and I would like to confirm >a year of birth to tie up loose ends. Any suggestions welcome. > >______________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > [CUL-CAR] Wigton lookup > From: > "Judy Marsden" <ggm@homedc.com.au> > Date: > Sun, 30 Mar 2003 07:57:26 +1000 > To: > ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com > > >Please can anybody tell me if any McNeils still live at 56 King St Wigton Cul? >Many thanks >Judy Marsden > >______________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > [CUL-CAR] Term for Legal Profession > From: > CDKnow@aol.com > Date: > Fri, 28 Mar 2003 21:27:03 EST > To: > ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com > > >Hi, > >I just received a wedding certificate from 1874 in Cockermouth. It is very >faint in places. > >The groom is Robert Birkett and says his father is Irving Birkett. (Bride is >Sarah Carlton Stobart, widow). The father's profession is faint but it looks >to be Lawyer. >Was that term in use in England in 1874 for the legal profession ? > >I have other known letters on the cert and feel certain that it is _awyer. >Unfortunately the first letter is the faintest and there's no capital L to >compare to. > >Regards, >David > >______________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > [CUL-CAR] Phillipstown > From: > Bill Knight <redlegs7@apk.net> > Date: > Sat, 29 Mar 2003 17:05:58 -0500 > To: > ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com > > > I could use some help finding Phillipstown. I found the following > records of two potential ancestors on a film of the church records of > KirkAndrews upon Esk: > > 1686 > "Anne daughter of Richard Rea of Phillipstown baptized March 31" > > 1698 > "Janet Hellen[?] daughter of William and Janet Rea of Phillipstown > bapt. Sept 24th" > > I have not been able to find "Phillipstown". I did find a > "Pattenstown" but I'm pretty sure it is "Phillipstown". Your ideas > and suggestions are most welcome. > > Bill Knight > Chagrin Falls, Ohio > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [CUL-CAR] Term for Legal Profession > From: > Rod Neep <rod@neep.demon.co.uk> > Date: > Mon, 31 Mar 2003 05:30:55 +0100 > To: > ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com > > > In message <4b.2c974ea0.2bb65e77@aol.com>, CDKnow@aol.com writes > >> The groom is Robert Birkett and says his father is Irving Birkett. >> (Bride is >> Sarah Carlton Stobart, widow). The father's profession is faint but >> it looks >> to be Lawyer. >> Was that term in use in England in 1874 for the legal profession ? >> >> I have other known letters on the cert and feel certain that it is >> _awyer. >> Unfortunately the first letter is the faintest and there's no capital >> L to >> compare to. > > > In reality, then it can only be either Lawyer or Sawyer. > > You can find out, however, from the birth certificate of Robert > BIRKETT (or a baptism record) as both will state his father's occupation. > > Regards > Rod Neep > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > [CUL-CAR] National Archives > From: > "Chris Dickinson" <chris@dickinson.uk.net> > Date: > Fri, 28 Mar 2003 17:40:06 -0000 > To: > ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com > > >http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,61-625794,00.html > > >Chris >chris@dickinson.uk.net > >______________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > [CUL-CAR] ADMIN: recent server problems > From: > "Chris Dickinson" <chris@dickinson.uk.net> > Date: > Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:37:52 +0100 > To: > ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com > > >Hi All > >As some of you may be aware, Rootsweb has been having some quite >serious problems over the last few days. > >The server that handles mail for this list (and all the Cumbrian >lists bar CUL) went down on the 26th. One of the hard drives had >to be replaced. Any mail that was being processed by the server >when it self-destructed was lost. Any mail sent since has been >stored (about 40000 messages) and is being released as quickly as >possible. This process should be completed by now, but you may >still find mail trickling through in the wrong order. > >If your post doesn't appear within the next 24 hours, try posting >again. > >Sorry about the inconvenience of all this and the relative >emptiness of your inboxes. At least you probably all had plenty >of spam to look at :-) > >Chris >chris@dickinson.uk.net >ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-admin@rootsweb.com >ENG-CUL-COPELAND-admin@rootsweb.com > >

Would anyone be able to tell me if there are McNeils still living at 56 King St, Wigton Please? Thanks Judy Marsden

In message <4b.2c974ea0.2bb65e77@aol.com>, CDKnow@aol.com writes >The groom is Robert Birkett and says his father is Irving Birkett. (Bride is >Sarah Carlton Stobart, widow). The father's profession is faint but it looks >to be Lawyer. >Was that term in use in England in 1874 for the legal profession ? > >I have other known letters on the cert and feel certain that it is _awyer. >Unfortunately the first letter is the faintest and there's no capital L to >compare to. In reality, then it can only be either Lawyer or Sawyer. You can find out, however, from the birth certificate of Robert BIRKETT (or a baptism record) as both will state his father's occupation. Regards Rod Neep -- British-Genealogy.com - For British Family History web : http://www.british-genealogy.com

Hi List Woud anyone happen to have access to 1891census Maryport looking for Margaret Brisco - merchant seamans wife and 4 sons, was living 3 cathrine Street Crosscanonby in 1881. No sign of family in UK 1901 Census, maybe emigrated. regards Bryan Richards

Please can anybody tell me if any McNeils still live at 56 King St Wigton Cul? Many thanks Judy Marsden