I agree it would be good to know where others on the list are searching FROM, it might be that we can useful to those kind souls who are able to access Carlisle information direct. So saying, I live in Rugby, Warwickshire, UK and as I work at the local library I have access to family history archives and census material for Rugby and it's surrounding environs. I'd be happy to do look-ups etc., for anyone with interests in this area - (a lot of people were resettled here from Cumberland after WW2, I remember my parents taking me to the Cumberland Society Christmas parties as a child!) Sue Harding (searching BEATTIE, ROUTLEDGE, MEYERS, in Carlisle; CARSON, STEVENSON in Stirlingshire, Scotland; HARDING, COOKE, BROWN in Sussex and London) --------------------------------- It's Samaritans' Week. Help Samaritans help others. Call 08709 000032 to give or donate online now at http://www.samaritans.org/support/donations.shtm

In a message dated 5/14/2003 10:33:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, BICKERTONP@aol.com writes: > As I don't live > anywhere near Carlisle I would be very keen to do any research here in > exchange for some one doing research for me in the Carlisle records. > I think it is a great idea...but how many people on this list would need a look-up in Tracy, California? That's the only place I could help from.... Actually, there are so many Very Kind Souls out there that have helped me....I only hope I have never forgotten to thank any of them! If I have, THANK YOU! Jan USA

Not a bad idea.........but where are you. I am near Toronto, Canada for instance and could direct people to the National Archives and census information for any descendants that emigrated here. For me.......I am researching around the Whitehaven area. I have a brick wall who lived there, but no idea where he came from. However one kind soul found a very good possible in Asby, which I will follow up on via parish records. All of my research is pre-1800 btw. I have a lot of names I picked up the other day from Whitehaven parish records, simply because I recognized them from my List and Chris' Lists. I will put them out here shortly. Cheers.......Heather Brampton, Ontario. > I was thinking what a good idea it would be if there could be a exchange of > research in respective towns in which we live in. Where I live is no good to > to me, but looking in the parish registers for some one else, I thought what > a wealth of information there is, especially pre 1837. As I don't live > anywhere near Carlisle I would be very keen to do any research here in > exchange for some one doing research for me in the Carlisle records. > Does anyone else think this is good idea? E.B > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I found the following 1754 marriage in the Hayton upon Bampton records - apparently not listed in the IGI. "John GILL of this parish, singleman, and Jane MILBORNE of this parish, spinster, were married in this Church by Banns this seventh day of December in the year one thousand seven hundred fifty four by me Edmd Wills {Mills} minister." Witnesses : Wm Milborne John Milborne If you have any information on John please contact me. Thanks. Bill Knight Chagrin Falls, Ohio Researching all the KNIGHT's of Cumberland

Yes but we are only passing information on for the Carlisel and Copeland areas I guess it means if we are searching for anyone else in a different area, that others could help us with that research Pam

Hi, I thought that was what we on the mailing lists were already doing. Also those of us who are doing One parish Studies or transcribing for FreeBMD FreeCEN etc rob ========Original Message======== Subj: [CUL-CAR] Re: Exchange of information Date: 14/05/2003 18:33:40 GMT Daylight Time From: <A HREF="mailto:BICKERTONP@aol.com">BICKERTONP@aol.com</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com">ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com</A> Sent from the Internet (Details) I was thinking what a good idea it would be if there could be a exchange of research in respective towns in which we live in. Where I live is no good to to me, but looking in the parish registers for some one else, I thought what a wealth of information there is, especially pre 1837. As I don't live anywhere near Carlisle I would be very keen to do any research here in exchange for some one doing research for me in the Carlisle records. Does anyone else think this is good idea? E.B ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I was thinking what a good idea it would be if there could be a exchange of research in respective towns in which we live in. Where I live is no good to to me, but looking in the parish registers for some one else, I thought what a wealth of information there is, especially pre 1837. As I don't live anywhere near Carlisle I would be very keen to do any research here in exchange for some one doing research for me in the Carlisle records. Does anyone else think this is good idea? E.B

Hi Everyone, This may interest a few people - http://www.documentsonline.pro.gov.uk/default.asp - from the Essex list. Try searching by placename also. Bryan

I 'm interested in a John GILL of Ashtree in Hayton-upon-Brampton. I have traced my line back to John KNIGHT of Ashtree - born about 1665 in Hayton. There are entries for John KNIGHT of Ashtree through 1731 - then nothing. So I was surprised when, looking through the transcripts, an entry for 'John GILL of Ashtree' caught my eye. Below are listed several entries for John GILL - taken from the Bishop Transcripts of Hayton. Christenings Han 28 1738 Jemina, daughter of John Gill of Hayton Nov 8 1741 John, son of John Gill of Townhead Sep 2 1744 Lancelot, son of John Gill of Townhead Nov 15 1747 Jane, daughter of John Gill of Hayton Nov 19 1753 Edward, son of John Gill of Hayton Townhead Nov 19 1753 Mary, daughter of John Gill of Hayton Townhead Sep 5 1756 Barbary, daughter of John Gill Hayton Jul 29 1759 Thos, son of John Gill of Ashtree in Hayton Sep 8 1760 Edwd, son of John Gill of Ashtree in Hayton Burials: Aug 5 1759 Thos., son of John Gill of Ashtree in Hayton Jul 29 1762 Edwd., son of John Gill of Ashtree in Hayton Ashtree farm still exist, or did until last year, when it was sold to developers - building Townhouses, I believe. I would appreciate any help, ideas, comments, etc. concerning John GILL, Ashtree Farm and, of course, John KNIGHT. Thanks. Bill Knight Chagrin Falls, Ohio Researching all the KNIGHT's of Cumberland

Here is question that you may have n answer to... How does this name go from O'Neile, to O'Neill, to O'Neil, to Neill? Was this because of the way the enumerator spelled it? Or a transcriber's error? Also, did people not care what thier brothers and sisters named thier children..and then give thier own children the same name? I have a confusing situation with the 1881 census and Francis O'Neil and his family. In Carlisle there is Francis (37) and his wife Margaret (34) with children, William (11), John (6), James (4), Margaret (1) and Mary Jane (8). In Gateshead there is a family named CASSIDY. Head, David (60) and wife Mary (56) and children, Margaret Ann (21), Mary (18) and Daniel (15) with them are 2 nephews and a niece...John O'Neil (15), James O'Neil (11) and Ellen O'Neil (8) (Could these be Francis' brother John's children?) Now that all makes sense..I figure they may be cousins (the children). Now here is where I get confused...as I cannot find Francis in the 1901 census in Carlisle. I do find a Francis Neill (54), widower, in Gateshead with sons John (25) a general laborer, James (2?) a blacksmith striker; and daughters Margaret (21) and Ellen (17). Well, now that I have written this out to you I think I have figured out....these are 2 families with children of the same names.....what is the probability that they are related??? Any ideas? They are most welcome :) Jan

I contracted with a Malcolm Hills (researcher in Carlisle) to try and find what happened with the children of Thomas Cholmley (mayor of Carlisle) and to confirm that this Thomas was buried in St Mary's, Carlisle. He acknowledge receipt of the money on Nov 18 last year and promised to "keep me informed of progress" ... I have received a couple of short messages in 2002 but that was the last contact with him. I've sent a number of emails and his web-site appears to be still working but I'm worried that something has happened to him and I haven't noticed/been told. Maybe he has been ill or something. Can SKS let me know he is still alive/working??? This research is very important to me, so I'm waiting patiently... Peter Chomley Australia

In a message dated 5/7/03 1:55:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cgrs@lineone.net writes: > There is a possible Francis living in Carlisle in 1851.... > Enumeration dist 9b, Folio 491 page 32 > Gaol Brow, Jolly Hatters > Margaret O'NEILL, head, widow, 33, Cotton Winder, born Ireland > John O'NEILL, son, 12, born Ireland > Francis O'NEILL, son, 8, born Cockermouth, > Ellen O'NEILL, dau, 6, born Carlisle. Thank you Barry, This may be him as the name 'Ellen' reappears as one of his children...but not until 1901 in and she she 17 yrs. and in Durham. I am a bit confused.... This may a silly question...would the name 'Jolly Hatters' have anything to do with an occupation? On Francis' marriage licence it says his father was a Silk Hatter (deceased). Jan

Hello Jan, There is a possible Francis living in Carlisle in 1851.... Enumeration dist 9b, Folio 491 page 32 Gaol Brow, Jolly Hatters Margaret O'NEILL, head, widow, 33, Cotton Winder, born Ireland John O'NEILL, son, 12, born Ireland Francis O'NEILL, son, 8, born Cockermouth, Ellen O'NEILL, dau, 6, born Carlisle. The family probaly moved from Cockermouth to Carlise in between the births of Francis and Ellen so Francis may well have thought that he was born in Carlisle. There is a second O'NEILL entry listed at the same place. Enumeration dist 9b, Folio 491 page 31 Gaol Brow, Jolly Hatters Catherine O'NEILL, head, Unmarried, Charwoman, born Carlisle Mary O'NEILL, dau, 10, scholar, Bridget O'NEILL, dau, 7, scholar, Henry O'NEILL, son, 1, Sarah O'NEILL, dau, 1, Hugh O'NEILL, brother, unmar, 60, Railway Lab, receiving parish relief, born Ireland Hope these help. Regards, Barry Lawman Cumberland Research undertaken cgrs@lineone.net www.cumberlandroots.co.uk Researching HOLLIDAY & LAWMAN ----- Original Message ----- From: <AJKarousel@aol.com> To: <> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 2:35 AM Subject: [CUL-CAR] Help needed > Hello Listers, > I have just received the marriage certificate of my grt grt grandparents. > Francis O'Neile and Margaret (Marguret) Johnston. They were married 28 Jun > 1868 in Carlisle. He was living at Irvings Place (Rotchergate?) Carlisle and > she was on Lime Street. > Francis' father was William O'Neile (deceased) and had worked as a 'silk > hatter' (?) Margaret's father was James Johnston and a Blacksmith. > Francis was 26 at the time of marriage, so I est. a birth of about 1842 (b. > Carlisle) and Margaret was 20, so a birth of abt. 1848. (b. Scotland) > Can sks see if they can locate these families on census prior to marriage > with thier parents? I would really appreciate any help. > I have gone through this name as O'Neile, O'Neill & Neill. Isn't O'Neile a > strange spelling? > Oh yea...one of the witnesses was Ellen O'Neill....maybe no relation ???? > Thanks in advance > Jan > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Is there any reason a person would lie about who was in thier household the night of census. Or perhaps the person didn't understand that it was supposed to be the ones actually sleeping there? Jan

Could sks please do a 1891 census look-up for Francis Neill in Carlisle. In 1881 was living on Walkers Court. Thank you Jan

I am at present working with some other members of the CFHS to index all the wills at Carlisle up to 1800 and to put the results on CD. It is something of a long term project, I'm affraid. In the meantime, I think there are just the books although some years have already been transferred to film and are in the drawers with the Parish Register films. If you want to speed things up, perhaps you'd like to join our group! Peter Ostle visit the family websites at www.ostle.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: Chrislyn2602@aol.com To: ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 6:10 AM Subject: [CUL-CAR] Probate Indexes Does anyone know if there are any indexes on fiche (rather than the large books in Carlisle Record offices) in the county or within travelling distance from Carlisle? The books are all very well but for anything after about the 1880s its necessary to keep asking staff to get the books from the back room so a detailed search (for after 1900s) is impractical. Lynne ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Does anyone know if there are any indexes on fiche (rather than the large books in Carlisle Record offices) in the county or within travelling distance from Carlisle? The books are all very well but for anything after about the 1880s its necessary to keep asking staff to get the books from the back room so a detailed search (for after 1900s) is impractical. Lynne

Hello Listers, I have just received the marriage certificate of my grt grt grandparents. Francis O'Neile and Margaret (Marguret) Johnston. They were married 28 Jun 1868 in Carlisle. He was living at Irvings Place (Rotchergate?) Carlisle and she was on Lime Street. Francis' father was William O'Neile (deceased) and had worked as a 'silk hatter' (?) Margaret's father was James Johnston and a Blacksmith. Francis was 26 at the time of marriage, so I est. a birth of about 1842 (b. Carlisle) and Margaret was 20, so a birth of abt. 1848. (b. Scotland) Can sks see if they can locate these families on census prior to marriage with thier parents? I would really appreciate any help. I have gone through this name as O'Neile, O'Neill & Neill. Isn't O'Neile a strange spelling? Oh yea...one of the witnesses was Ellen O'Neill....maybe no relation ???? Thanks in advance Jan

If anyone had problems using the email link for information on the exhibition, please try again now. Sorry, slight technical problem! Peter Ostle visit the family websites at www.ostle.ca

In response to Barbara Ferguson and several other people who expressed interest, I have just added a page to my website with pictures of the Holme St Cuthbert Local History Group's exhibition at Mawbray. It's the next-best thing to a personal visit. Quick-link below. Wait till the exhibition poster appears at the top of the page and click on it. If you miss it, don't worry. It will come back again. http://users.tinyworld.co.uk/peterostle/ Peter Ostle