A recently found cousin, has told me that about 1745, an Anthony Knight was convicted of murdering Joseph Hodges. She believes the murder took place during the 1745 Jacobite Rebellion. After which a considerable number of trials for "high treason", etc. were held in Carlisle - resulting in 91 hanging and quartering sentencing at Carlisle Assizes, of which 33 were carried out during October and November of 1745 [Carlisle 20, Brampton 6 and Penrith 7] . Does anyone know where I could find more information about these trials? My youngest son is so pleased I've finally found "someone interesting". In any case you ideas, comments, suggestions are most welcome. Bill Knight Chagrin Falls, Ohio Researching all the KNIGHT's of Cumberland.

Hi I have been watching the program on the City of Carlisle. It has been very interesting over the last few weeks and I am really enjoying it till tonight when we were told that this City is on the wrong side of the Border and we should be classed as in the Borders meaning,I think, on the Scottish side of the line. Well that puts a whole new outlook on my Family History. What do other people think. Helen ps I have no connection with the ITV program.

Hi All Could SKS please look-up the following family on the 1891 census for Carlisle; Richard Anderson aged 48 cabinet maker Sarah Anderson aged 47 Jane Ann Anderson aged 19 Ellen Sarah Anderson aged 16 Alice Maude aged 12 Ethel A Andersin aged 8 In 1881 they were living, Solway Terrace, Rickergate, Cumberland. And on the 1901 they were living, 34 Castle Street, St Mary Within, Carlisle. Richard is a brother to my Gt grandfather, and I have got him on all the other census'es. With the help of some great people. TIA K in Devon

john sewell was born carlisle 1831 he married mary douglas born scotland 1835 children of john and mary are james born 1854 john born 1857 william born 1867 robert born 1870[my grandfarther] married mary knight in 1895 maryport audrey

Wednesday, May 14, 2003, 6:32:20 PM, E.B. wrote: Bac> I was thinking what a good idea it would be if there could be a Bac> exchange of research in respective towns in which we live in. Rather than re-invent the wheel, those interested in such an idea may like to know about the existing Look Up Exchange here: http://www.lookupcentral.f9.co.uk/volunteers.html The service is still actively seeking volunteers to help with lookups. -- Cheers, Anne The Docwra Family Research Project http://resource.at/docwra Project Forums http://www.yobunny.co.uk/forums/phpBB2/index.php

Hallo all New to list Looking for WALL, Robert, b1840, Carlisle - migrated to Aus in 1887, with children NOBLE, Mary, bc1839, Carlisle - died between 1881-1887 somewhere in north of England LONGRIGG Robert was a builder and moved a lot - children born St Bees, Gateshead and Workington. Long shot, I know - but someone might know something. Robert & Mary were my g grandparents. Regards Janice Lee Wood

I've just received the following marriage certificate which does not refer to the people I expected - anybody interested? Marriage on 03 Sep 1904 at St. James' Church in Carlisle, after Banns. James SIMPSON, age 19, Bachelor, Labourer, of Milbourne Street. Father: Thomas SIMPSON, Labourer. Kate WORRALL, age 19, Spinster, of Milbourne Street. Father: Jonathan WORRALL, Tailor. Witnesses: Thomas HETHERINGTON, Jane Elizabeth Parmentier SIMPSON. I was looking for the marriage of James SIMPSON, born c.1875 (father: George SIMPSON, Hatter), a Gas Works Clerk, whose first wife Margaret Jane MITCHINSON died 13 Jun 1904 in Edward Street, Carlisle. James is said to have remarried fairly soon after Margaret's death to a woman called Agnes. Has anybody come across this couple? Petra

> Once again it has been pointed out I can be obtuse.< Obtuse? Is that what it's called? Well I never, as they say. Confused in NZ

Once again it has been pointed out I can be obtuse. In my recent email, when I said "I only hope you scum have not put the AGLL out of business", I was addressing Ancestry.com, and NOT any of the lists / groups / people of the addressess. David

These are harsh comments and I regret having to say them. But they need be said. I have held my comments. I have not taken a side. Until now. People have complained about having to pay for services. That is ridiculous. These things cost the services money and they need to be reimbursed. Are they under financial pressure ? I have no doubt. I signed on for the U.S. Census records on Ancestry.com. I had a 30 day "trial period" which I could have used and skipped out on. But I was very satisfied, understand their need to turn a profit & signed on for a year. Records that were available when I signed on, and were therefore part of the "contract", have just been withdrawn (eg Colorado state 1885 census). I now need to upgrade to access them. I only hope you scum have not put the AGLL out of business. David Knowles PS I have sent them demanding a full refund. I will keep you informed.

Hi Could Peter Wright please contact me off list. I did not note his Email address so cannot send him a message direct. Thank you Gerald Sandwith _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

Hi Been lurking for a few weeks now and ythink most of my cumbrian ancestors seem to come from the area covered by this list. They are; HALL Catlands Bolton RELPH Brownrigg, Caldbeck, Castle Sowerby CLARK Raughton Head, Skelton MARTIN possibly Torpenhow BATY Arthuret HUMBLE Arthuret WHITELOCK Skelton Regards Peter

Hi, if anyone who has a copy of the 1851 census for Carlisle Part 5, could you please look up a Betsy, Daniel, Eleanor & Hanna Briscoe on (H0107/2430 Folios 242 - 365). I need to confirm their ages, & address if any. Many thanks Judy Marsden

Hello Judy, The details are.... Folio 291, page 40. Parham Beck(Caldewgate) Daniel Briscoe, head, Wid, 33, Weaver, born Cockermouth Hanna Briscoe, dau, 11, Bobbin Winder, born Cockermouth Betsy Briscoe, dau, 7, born Cockermouth Eleanor Briscoe, dau, 6, born Cockermouth Hope this helps Regards, Barry Lawman Cumberland Research undertaken cgrs@lineone.net www.cumberlandroots.co.uk Researching HOLLIDAY & LAWMAN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Marsden" <ggm@homedc.com.au> To: <ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 11:49 AM Subject: [CUL-CAR] 1851 census - carlisle > Hi, > if anyone who has a copy of the 1851 census for Carlisle Part 5, could you please look up a Betsy, Daniel, Eleanor & Hanna Briscoe on (H0107/2430 Folios 242 - 365). I need to confirm their ages, & address if any. > Many thanks > Judy Marsden > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi to all, if anyone has a copy of the carlisle 1851 census, please would you be able to check out ages of the following people ; Betsy, Daniel, Eleanor, & Hanna Briscoe Many thanks Judy Marsden

I'm researching Joseph (b 1856 Carlisle) and Ann Howe (b 1858 Carlisle). Their son Joseph (b 1888 in Duke Street, Calisle) emigrated to Australia around 1910. Robyn

The main reason for a lot of Carlisle people moving south was economic - there was very little work after the war. In Rugby, Warks. (where my family moved to) there were a number of large factories being built and being near to Coventry there was a lot of rebuilding going on after the war, when a large portion of the city was blitzed! In my family's case, my parent's cousins arrived to help in the engineering works and the word soon spread "back home" that there was good, reasonably cheap housing and plenty of employment, so other parts of the family "de-camped" to the Midlands. They must have felt like outsiders to the indiginous population of the Midlands, because of thier Border accents. So many families had to tear up their "roots" that they formed the Cumberland Society and met together regularly, as a means of keeping in touch with news from back home, and also keeping alive family and cultural traditions. It wasn't easy to leave everything behind, but there were few prospects for staying in Carlisle. Even forty or fifty years later, Carlisle is still considered "home" by my elderly aunt, and although I was the first member of the family born in Warwickshire, I can get quite nostalgic looking at old family photos. When I visit Carlisle I make a point of visiting the places where members of the family owned businesses and lived and imagining what their lives were like. Sue Harding --------------------------------- It's Samaritans' Week. Help Samaritans help others. Call 08709 000032 to give or donate online now at http://www.samaritans.org/support/donations.shtm

During the wars, there was a development of Land settlement houses in Cumbria, where people from the North East who were in deprivation were settled into North and West Cumberland - They were given properties with an acre of land, supposedly so they could be self sufficient and grow there own vegetables and fruits etc. Many of them were from the mining areas of the North East this was a resettlement for the persons concernerd but it was called land resettlement. The houses were distinctive and were meant to last 30 years ( Ithink it was 30 years) as they were of the first pre fabrication kind, and weren't unlike some of the houses that you see in new England USA today. Many of the houses remain in and around the Carlisle area, and are now privately owned and have well outlasted there 30 year life span. The houses that are no longer there I remenber in the late 50's still went as far down as Cockermouth on the Moota road. These were built between the wars, before there was an increase in the ehavy industries in West Cumbria i.e. steel works etc. As Neville said the word resettlement is used in allsorts of contexts. Pam

Here is another census page I have downloaded from the PRO's 1901 Census website. Please contact me if you want what few extra details there are. RG13, Piece 4867, f.102, p.11 Civil Parish of Rickergate, Ecclesiastical Parish of St. Pauls 8 Chapel Street Margaret BATEY, single, age 36, Lodging House Keeper, born Stoney Gate Thomas MITCHELL, boarder, single, age 49, Horse Dealer, born Cuse Bank [?] Randle WILSON, boarder, married, age 24, Actor, born Staffs, Walsall Louis MANTELL, boarder, married, age 30, Actor, born London, Lambeth Kitty MANTELL, boarder, married, age 20, Actress, born Lincs, Lincoln Violet WILSON, boarder, married, age 23, Actress, born London, Paddington 9 Chapel Street Tom CREIGHTON, married, age 57, Builder, born CUL, Carlisle Isabel CREIGHTON, wife, age 56, born CUL, Carlisle The Dispensary, Chapel Street William C. BOWER, single, age 26, House Surgeon Dispensary, born India Margaret J. JOHNSTON, widow, age 63, Housekeeper, born London Isabel JOHNSTON, single, age 32, School Teacher, born CUL, Carlisle The Catholic School, Strand Road Ann FAIRLEY, widow, age 70, Caterker [sic!] of Schools, born Ireland, Tyrone Sarah Ann DUFFY, daughter, widow, age 40, Caterker [sic!] of Schools, born Ireland, Tyrone Swifts Cottage, Strand Road Thomas HALEY, married, age 45, Groom domestic, born CUL, Carlisle Sarah Ann HALEY, wife, age 42, born CUL, Carlisle and children (all born in Carlisle): Margaret (age 20, General Serv. domestic), John (age 18, Gardener), Elizabeth (16), Joseph (13), Jane Ann (12), Thomas (8) and Mary (6) 1 Strand Road Robert J. MILBOURNE, married, age 37, Pork Butcher, born CUL, Carlisle Mary MILBOURNE, wife, age 39, born CUL, Carlisle their children (all born in Carlisle): William H. (8), Robert H. (4) and Noelle (3) Harry GARNETT, servant, single, age 22, Pork Butcher, born Yorks, Warwick Margaret McVITTIE, servant, single, age 19, General Serv. domestic, born Scotland Quite an interesting bunch! Petra

If the answer isn't too long and complicated, would someone explain why Cumbrians were resettled after WW2? When I think of resettlement, I think of from war damaged areas but I don't think that could be the reason here. regards, Laura in New York -----Original Message----- From: Sue Harding [mailto:suesfolks@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:17 PM To: ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CUL-CAR] re: exchange of info I agree it would be good to know where others on the list are searching FROM, it might be that we can useful to those kind souls who are able to access Carlisle information direct. So saying, I live in Rugby, Warwickshire, UK and as I work at the local library I have access to family history archives and census material for Rugby and it's surrounding environs. I'd be happy to do look-ups etc., for anyone with interests in this area - (a lot of people were resettled here from Cumberland after WW2, I remember my parents taking me to the Cumberland Society Christmas parties as a child!) Sue Harding (searching BEATTIE, ROUTLEDGE, MEYERS, in Carlisle; CARSON, STEVENSON in Stirlingshire, Scotland; HARDING, COOKE, BROWN in Sussex and London) --------------------------------- It's Samaritans' Week. Help Samaritans help others. Call 08709 000032 to give or donate online now at http://www.samaritans.org/support/donations.shtm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237