> Christine Benson writes: > > > >I have the 1841 census of Cumberland but I don't have a surname index. I am > >looking fo BENSON, primarily Carlisle, but possibly elsewhere in > >Cumberland. I have already looked in the area they were in in 1845 > >but they are not there. > > >Could SKS look up BENSON on a surname index please? > > > A surname list for the 1841 Census? I don't think such a thing exists, or > does anyone know different??? > > > Chris > > Thanks for the info Chris. I was being an optimist. Christine

Christine Benson writes: >I have the 1841 census of Cumberland but I don't have a surname index. I am >looking fo BENSON, primarily Carlisle, but possibly elsewhere in >Cumberland. I have already looked in the area they were in in 1845 >but they are not there. >Could SKS look up BENSON on a surname index please? A surname list for the 1841 Census? I don't think such a thing exists, or does anyone know different??? Chris

Hi All, I have the 1841 census of Cumberland but I don't have a surname index. I am looking fo BENSON, primarily Carlisle, but possibly elsewhere in Cumberland. I have already looked in the area they were in in 1845 but they are not there. Could SKS look up BENSON on a surname index please? Thanks in anticipation, Christine

Looking through some old notes I found the following list of burials in Brampton. I must have done a lookup for someone. In any case, here they are. I hope they are of use to someone. 1774 "July 3rd George Gardener of Brampton aged 18" 1784 "July 17th Frances wife of William Gardener" { nee Frances Parker - my note] 1787 "Oct 27th Isabella daughter of William Gardener & Mary his wife" 1793 "Dec 21st Dinah daughter of William Gardiner of Brampton mason, an infant" 1797 "June 19th Mary daughter of William Gardener Brampton stalor and Mary his wife aged 16 years" 1799 "Nov 24th William Gardener of Brampton yeoman and householder aged 84" Bill Knight Chagrin Falls, Ohio Researching all the KNIGHT's of Cumberland

Hi, all! I'm just returning to my family searches in this area, so I thought I'd re-post my interests (just in case there's someone new who has similar!) BEATTIE - I'm related to the family who traded in Warwick Road, Calrlisle, as stonemasons (although the business has now passed out of the family). Joe Beattie was my maternal grandfather. He worked for his brother. David Johnstone Beattie, who owned the business. Anyone searching these Beattie's from Langholm/Hawick as well? ROUTLEDGE - Interested in William, who, according to 1881 and 1901 census was born in 1827/ 8 in Hayton (I think near Brampton). I've found his resting place in the cemetary which also marks his wife Mary (I think, Mary Annie BELL). He was in the Royal Artillery circa,1860's, and one of his children was born in Bermuda whilst he was posted there. He worked as a railway signalman after his retirement from the army. I want to confirm Mary's surname and where/when married. MEYERS - Interested in Edward, born circa 1840. His MI states he was a First Class Petty officer RN. He retired and married William Routledge's eldest daughter, Mary Jane, and they ran shops (newsagents) in London Road, Botchergate. If anyone recognises these people from their own research, please get in contact! Cheers, Sue Harding --------------------------------- Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger

Thnkyou Jill & Edgar,for your information on my Elusive ancestor. I had someone look into the Newcastle Upon Tyne registers about 10 years ago,with no luck in finding him. So Maybe I should try this other place called NEWBURN? If thats where the Engineer,s were all from,eh? Does anyone know if these registers have been transcribed yet? Also,Where is Callerton Please?Its now on my Map,but Newburn is. Edgar forgot to mention,But Im not "On-Line".[not yet anyway,but I do have a second hand computer]I can access some sites using this contraption of a Keyboard/NTL Cable & my Telly screen. The Name of "Mckinley"was handed down through my Barry[South Wales]Branch.To a Bryn Mckinley Coulthard who died in 1984. My William Mckinley Coulthard was a "Joiner",as was his son William[1854-1917] I must say,that since doing my family Tree[for 22 years now]Ive had more luck in Tracing my Jones Family of Mumbles[back to 1700]or my Williams family of Carmarthenshire[back to about 1750]than I have for my Coulthard,s! Thankyou all once again. Best Wishes From Cardiff. Graham. [Robert]Graham Williams.Glam;FHS,#551 of Canton,Cardiff.

Dear Jill, Thanks. I looked through "A Coulthard!" for Graham some time ago. Chart 107 page 353 Coulthard of South Wales: is the one listing William McKinley Coulthard. It gives no details of W.M.C.'s father apart from "William Coulthard, engineer". (These details came from Graham in the first place.) William Coulthard M.Inst.C.E. b.30May1797 is on chart 22 page 124. Coulthard (alias Coulter) of Lesbury and Ponteland. He married Margaret Robson at Bellingham in 1819 and had 5 children:- William Robson d.Adelaide 3Jan1866, Catherine, Eleanor, John b.1832 d.Armagh 19Apr1866, and Hiram Craven b.Whitby d.New Zealand 1881. All 3 sons are listed as Engineers. (I haven't checked any of these details with other sources.) It seems unlikely that William b.1797 would have two sons living concurrently named William Robson C. and William McKinley C. I've sort of looked on the IGI for a marriage between Coulthard & McKinley without success (apart from one that was too late). Is there an easy way to do this without having to keep thinking up candidate Christian names? Chart 44 page 194 covers the Gateshead Locomotive Manufacturers. In case anyone is interested there are at least three lots of Coulthards connected with my family. My mother's branch from Hallburn (chart 51), Alfred's branch from Cumwhinton (55), and a Workington branch. GRAHAM: I'll try to scan chart 22 for you - I don't think I gave you that one. It is a bit tightly bound for scanning though. Best wishes Edgar On Friday 11 Jul 2003 6:25 pm, John and Jill Coulthard wrote: > Dear Graham, > > COULTHARD's had a locomotive engineering work at Gateshead in the 19th > century. I have looked through Alfred Coulthard's book on the various > branches for you but cannot find a William McKinley Coulthard at > present. However, Alfred had this to say about the Gateshead > engineering families. > > > "RALPH COULTHARD who became Resident Engineer to the Brandling Junction > Railway in 1836 was born at Newburn (now part of Newcastle) in 1790. He > was a son of ROBERT COULTHARD an "engine wright" who was born about > 1755-60. > > JOHN COULTHARD who founded the Gateshead firm of locomotive > manufacturers of that name was born at Newburn in 1809, another son of > this Robert Coulthard the "engine wright". > > WILLIAM COULTHARD who became Resident Engineer of the North Union > Railway and who built many North Country railroads was born in 1797, the > grandson of William Coulthard the blacksmith at Callerton, three miles > from Newburn." > > > From this and the accompanying chart on the Robert/Ralph/John family it > appears that WILLIAM was not closely related to the other two. I could > not find a chart for William nor any text to say who his father had > been. It is a very thick book and if you have a copy of your uncle > Alfred's book, Edgar, maybe you can have a check through too in case I > have missed something or have a different version. The book was > privately published some years ago. > > I can only say that WILLIAM COULTHARD above was an Engineer in the right > place at the right time to have married and had a son William McKinley > Coulthard but no proof of the matter. > > COULTHARD was and is a pretty common border name and these have, so far > as I know, no direct connection to our family. I hope you have success > in finding your correct family and hope this helps in some small way if > only for elimination. I hope you will let us know if you do manage to > connect up to the Engineer as no doubt there is plenty of interesting > material in that story. > > Best wishes, > > Jill Coulthard > > Graham Williams wrote ..... > > > ......my Great,Great,Grandfather:- > William Mckinley COULTHARD. > > Ive been told by my family that his Family originated in Carlisle? But > Ive got him as being born at Newcastle Upon Tyne,Northumberland about > 1831. His father is shown as William COULTHARD,an "Engineer".The > address at the time of marriage is West Street,Gateshead,Co;Durham.>

Dear Graham, COULTHARD's had a locomotive engineering work at Gateshead in the 19th century. I have looked through Alfred Coulthard's book on the various branches for you but cannot find a William McKinley Coulthard at present. However, Alfred had this to say about the Gateshead engineering families. "RALPH COULTHARD who became Resident Engineer to the Brandling Junction Railway in 1836 was born at Newburn (now part of Newcastle) in 1790. He was a son of ROBERT COULTHARD an "engine wright" who was born about 1755-60. JOHN COULTHARD who founded the Gateshead firm of locomotive manufacturers of that name was born at Newburn in 1809, another son of this Robert Coulthard the "engine wright". WILLIAM COULTHARD who became Resident Engineer of the North Union Railway and who built many North Country railroads was born in 1797, the grandson of William Coulthard the blacksmith at Callerton, three miles from Newburn." From this and the accompanying chart on the Robert/Ralph/John family it appears that WILLIAM was not closely related to the other two. I could not find a chart for William nor any text to say who his father had been. It is a very thick book and if you have a copy of your uncle Alfred's book, Edgar, maybe you can have a check through too in case I have missed something or have a different version. The book was privately published some years ago. I can only say that WILLIAM COULTHARD above was an Engineer in the right place at the right time to have married and had a son William McKinley Coulthard but no proof of the matter. COULTHARD was and is a pretty common border name and these have, so far as I know, no direct connection to our family. I hope you have success in finding your correct family and hope this helps in some small way if only for elimination. I hope you will let us know if you do manage to connect up to the Engineer as no doubt there is plenty of interesting material in that story. Best wishes, Jill Coulthard Graham Williams wrote ..... > ......my Great,Great,Grandfather:- > William Mckinley COULTHARD. Ive been told by my family that his Family originated in Carlisle? But Ive got him as being born at Newcastle Upon Tyne,Northumberland about 1831. His father is shown as William COULTHARD,an "Engineer".The address at the time of marriage is West Street,Gateshead,Co;Durham.>

During the second quarter of 1871, Thomas Throp KNIGHT married Mary COULTHARD-- i.e., June 1871 Carlisle Volume 10b Page 752. I have additional information on Thomas Knight, if any one is interested, and, of course, I would be interested in any information on Mary. Bill Knight Chagrin Falls, Ohio Researching all the KNIGHT's of Cumberland.

On Thursday 10 Jul 2003 7:11 pm, robert.williams438@ntlworld.co.uk wrote: > Good Afternoon everyone,from a warm and sunny Cardiff.My Name is Graham > Williams,and my interest in your area concerns my Great,Great,Grandfather:- > William Mckinley COULTHARD. > Ive been told by my family that his Family originated in Carlisle? > But Ive got him as being born at > Newcastle Upon Tyne,Northumberland about > 1831.[Information from the 1861 to 1901 Censuses,list his place of birth as > Newcastle] He married Martha Evans at Gateshead Co;Durham in 1853,and he is > listed on his marr;cert;as aged 22.[Ive got this cert;] > > His father is shown as William COULTHARD,an "Engineer".The address at the > time of marr;is West Street,Gateshead,Co;Durham. > > So my question is,Has anyone come across my William Mckinley Coulthard born > about 1831 please? Is there anyone out there researching this surname,or > who may know someone who is please. William & Martha Coulthard had a son > William born at Willmington Quay tyneside,in 1854,they then turn up at > Milford Haven,West Wales,where they stayed put.My Great,Grandfather Joseph > Coulthard was born at Milford Haven in 1862. > > Thankyou for bearing with me. > > Graham. > > [Robert]Graham Williams.Glam;FHS,#551 of Canton,Cardiff. Hello Graham, Good to see you here. Everybody, this interests me too. I've just started getting interested in my mother's Coulthard and Wilson families from around Carlisle. Edgar

Good Afternoon everyone,from a warm and sunny Cardiff.My Name is Graham Williams,and my interest in your area concerns my Great,Great,Grandfather:- William Mckinley COULTHARD. Ive been told by my family that his Family originated in Carlisle? But Ive got him as being born at Newcastle Upon Tyne,Northumberland about 1831.[Information from the 1861 to 1901 Censuses,list his place of birth as Newcastle] He married Martha Evans at Gateshead Co;Durham in 1853,and he is listed on his marr;cert;as aged 22.[Ive got this cert;] His father is shown as William COULTHARD,an "Engineer".The address at the time of marr;is West Street,Gateshead,Co;Durham. So my question is,Has anyone come across my William Mckinley Coulthard born about 1831 please? Is there anyone out there researching this surname,or who may know someone who is please. William & Martha Coulthard had a son William born at Willmington Quay tyneside,in 1854,they then turn up at Milford Haven,West Wales,where they stayed put.My Great,Grandfather Joseph Coulthard was born at Milford Haven in 1862. Thankyou for bearing with me. Graham. [Robert]Graham Williams.Glam;FHS,#551 of Canton,Cardiff.

Christine I want to say a big thank the information you have sent is great yes this is my great grandmother in maryport my grandfather Robert married there and lived there in Crosby st where he died not only that but you have solved a mystery for me that Sewell family in Jarrow was Johns cousin I have a letter hear from John to my grandfather and he talked of a Tossy many times when I first joined this list I asked was Tossy a Cumberland nick name no one could help I thought it was a shortened first name now I know it was a surname many thanks for that but how there is two of them different ages same name beets me this Sewell family is driving me mad Audrey

Hello Bill, Yes, I agree that you would think Influenza would only strike in the winter months and everyone seems to have a bout, but not always so. The flu is about passing on the germ from one person to another and doesn't seem to be too fussy who it chooses for it's next victim, or what time of year it inflicts itself in. It seems to be more prevalent in the winter months but can still be around in the summer and I can tell you it is no fun having the flu when it is 40 degrees plus heat and 100% humidity like it gets here in the North West of Western Australia. Oh, Bill by the way, July and August are our winter months here in OZ! Christine Keitel

: please could some one look up 1891 census its a last resort I am looking for my great grandfathers birth cert had no luck because is details have been inconsistant 1881 census John Sewell age 50 railway labourer born carlisle mary Sewell age 46 born scotland william age 13 born carlisle robert age 10 born carlisle 1871 census he gave his age as 44 born preston 1851 cesus gave his age as 27 born preston when my grandfather Robert married in 1895 the marriage cert gave John as dead so I thought if someone could check the 1891 census to see if he was still alive then it would narrow things down looking for a death cert audrey

I'm just requesting a little help/information on a topic that may not quite fit a narrow definition of genealogy - apologies to those offended. In 1803 there apparently was an influenza epidemic in Cumberland and most of England [Encyclopedia of Plagues & Pestilence]. In my research, I found two brothers [John and William KNIGHT - ages 24 and 21] that died within a month of each other and buried in Bromfield. Being the smart fellow I am, I instantly jumped to the conclusion that they must have died from influenza! Well, they died in July and August, so now I'm not so sure - it seems influenza does most of its damage in the winter. Of course, they might have died from many different things. Nonetheless, I would welcome any thoughts, comments, etc. on the influenza matter. Bill Knight Chagrin Falls, Ohio Researching all the KNIGHT's of Cumberland

Thank you Christine and Eddie for your map references and other information about Craig Langholm and James Little. Christine, if I find a connection between your Little family and "my" James Little, I'll let you know. You have both been of great help. Wesley Turner

I was wondering if anyone could help. My Gt Grandfather was Robert Hamilton Shennan. His wife Margaret (nee Metcalfe) had children Ernest, Annie, Donald, Alfred, and James. I have found that Robert was a master baker, but no idea where in Carlisle. Also I'm unable to find record of the marriage. Grateful for any information on these members of my family. Thanks

Greetings from the other side of the Pennines! The following comes from the LDS 1881 copy of the census. Is there anyone out here who knows anything about these good folks? Their descendants eventually settled in Sunderland, but I'd love to know where their ancestors came from. Household: John CHISHOLM Head M Male 33 Carlisle, Cumberland, England Gas Stoker Eliz. Ann CHISHOLM Wife M Female 30 Dalston, Cumberland, England Stoker Wife Joseph CHISHOLM Son Male 7 Wilton Gilbert, Durham, England Scholar Thanks for any help youcan give. Eddie Arthur --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.493 / Virus Database: 292 - Release Date: 25/06/2003

Jane Elliot died on 1 June 1941 at Warwick Square Nursing Home, Carlisle. She named her nephew James Little of Craig Langholm in Dumfries as her executor. Does anyone know what or where Craig Langholm was/is? I'm very new at genealogical research and computers both so any help will be greatly appreciated. W.Turner Ontario, Canada

Bill Knight wrote: >A recently found cousin, has told me that about 1745, an Anthony Knight >was convicted of murdering Joseph Hodges. She believes the murder took >place during the 1745 Jacobite Rebellion. After which a considerable >number of trials for "high treason", etc. were held in Carlisle - >resulting in 91 hanging and quartering sentencing at Carlisle Assizes, >of which 33 were carried out during October and November of 1745 >[Carlisle 20, Brampton 6 and Penrith 7] . Does anyone know where I >could find more information about these trials? > >My youngest son is so pleased I've finally found "someone interesting". >In any case you ideas, comments, suggestions are most welcome. Possibly this site may help - the site owner may, at least, be able to advise you on other sources. http://www.alanwills.co.uk/trials.html Chris