Hi Listers, Can anyone tell me where I might find a list of Solicitors that had offices in Carlisle around the 1940s - 60s Any help would be appreciated. Dorothy

Hi All Sorry if this has already been put on (I've been away) From the makers of friendsreunited a new site www.genesconnected.co.uk/. early stages but with potiential K in Devon

Hi Everyone A while ago I enquired about a John Bigrigg in Cockermouth who was a journeyman Clogger and his wife Mary Ann. Thank you all who replied, unfortunately the information which you were able to give me related to, I think his cousin. We have however got a slim lead which we are following but if this fails I will be back pleading again. Secondly in the Princpal Inhabitants of Cumberland 1847 several Sandwith,s are listed. Geo Sandwith a Shoemaker of Holme side Irton interests me and I would like to trace whether he married. If so could anyone confirm if she was Margaret (Peggy) Southward. If anyone who has not contacted me has any Sandwith's marrying their ancestors would they please contact me with info. Thanks Gerald Sandwith _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Hi Listers, Do any of you have connections to the following Graham family from Cumberland, England? Thomas Graham married Ann ?? 3rd May, 1840, Kirklinton Baptisms of children are ... George, 13th Nov, 1864 Westward William, 16th Apr, 1866 Dalston Elizabeth, 17th May, 1868 Dalston Mary Jane, abt 1871 Dalston Margaret, abt 1873 Westward Ann, abt 1876 Westward Sarah, abt 1878 Westward Whillimina, abt 1881 Dalston and also this family, connected to my Graham family IVISON, William married Elizabeth Graham, 20th Apr, 1840, Kirklinton Baptisms of children are ... Jane, 3rd May, 1840 Ellen, abt 1849. Best regards, Bruce Glass New Zealand

Hi listers, Are anyone of you researching the following Cumberland, England surnames? I have these families connected to my Graham research, maybe they are some of your ancestors. HARRISON, Isaac married Margaret Graham Baptisms of children are.. Joseph, 2nd Oct, 1859 Thomas, 24th Dec, 1861 Margaret Ann, 22nd May, 1864 John, 8th Sep, 1867 James, 4th Oct, 1868 Rebecca, abt 1872 Clementina, abt 1878 BENSON, Thomas married Isabella Graham Baptisms of children are ... Frances, 28th Jul, 1861 John, 12th Jul, 1863 Isabella, 30th Apr, 1865 Nancy, 23rd Jun, 1867 James, 28th Feb, 1869 William, 12th Mar, 1871 David, abt 1875 Henry, abt 1877 Joseph, abt 1880 BROWN, William married Catherine Graham Baptisms of children are ... John, 3rd Jul, 1859 James Graham, 8th Dec, 1861 Thomas John, 15th May, 1864 William Henry, abt 1870 LITTLE, Reginald married Frances Graham Baptisms of children are ... Eleanor, abt 1846 George, abt 1849 Fanny Graham 12th Jan, 1851 CLARK, Henry married Mary Graham Baptisms of children are ... Mary, 10th Aug, 1774 Elizabeth, 31st Mar, 1777 Margaret, 29th jJul, 1781 Henry, 14th Mar, 1784 Thomas, 6th May, 1787 CLARK, James married Margaret Graham Baptisms of children are ... John, 16th Feb, 1783 Mary, 24th Apr, 1784 PALMER, James married Jane Graham Baptisms of children are ... Thomas, 2nd Sep, 1766 All of these families are from the Cumberland, England. If you have a direct connection to any of the above I would like to hear from you. I Do Not have any further information on the descendants of these families. I Only have information on the ancestry of the Graham women involved. Best regards, Bruce Glass New Zealand

RootsWeb have changed their 'Acceptable Use Policy'. The original version was easy to read and the principles were clear. The new version isn't so easy to read (!) - but is, I suppose, much more valid as a legal contract between you, the user, and RootsWeb.com or MyFamily.com, Inc.. Please make sure that you read the new AUP at: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-admin@rootsweb.com ENG-CUL-COPELAND-admin@rootsweb.com

Bridget Casson writes: >Says that the firm was started by a Benjamin Scott in 1799, who >was succeeded by a nephew Hudson Scott, who was >succeeded in 1868 by the sons of Hudson Scott Yes. 'Cumberland Families and Heraldry' mentions the death of this nephew in 1891, aged 83. My Hudson Scott married in 1806, so possibly was the father. The marriage was in the Pardshaw register - possibly the birth is also. I don't have immediate access to the register to check. Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net

Steve Bulman's page about carlisle factories at http://www.stevebulman.f9.co.uk/cumbria/carlisle_factories_f.html Says that the firm was started by a Benjamin Scott in 1799, who was succeeded by a nephew Hudson Scott, who was succeeded in 1868 by the sons of Hudson Scott, Mr. Benjamin and Mr. W. Hudson Scott. It was only after that tin box making became part of the business. Which all adds up to quite a few Hudson Scotts! Generations can be hard to judge sometimes, though - My ancester Samuel Rome married at Arthuret in 1785, and his son George married at Arthuret in 1853 (at the age of 56) - a gap of 68 years. Cheers Bridget On 18/11/02 6:07 am, "Chris Dickinson" <chris@dickinson.uk.net> wrote: > My Quaker Hudson Scott married Susanna Dickinson in 1806, so may > possibly have been the son mentioned - but I have the impression > that the tin box Hudson Scott was yet a further generation on???

Bridget Casson wrote: <snip> >I spotted this sad advert in the Carlisle Patriot in August 1842: > >Five Pound Reward >MISSING >Hudson Scott, senior, an aged man in the dress of one of the >Society of Friends, left his house on the evening <snip> Many thanks, Bridget. Fascinating and, as you say, very sad. My Quaker Hudson Scott married Susanna Dickinson in 1806, so may possibly have been the son mentioned - but I have the impression that the tin box Hudson Scott was yet a further generation on??? Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net

Hello I seem to remember last month Chris asking whether Hudson Scott of Carlisle was a Quaker. I spotted this sad advert in the Carlisle Patriot in August 1842: Five Pound Reward MISSING Hudson Scott, senior, an aged man in the dress of one of the Society of Friends, left his house on the evening of the 31st ultimo, about 6 o'clock. He had on a brown coat, grey breeches and light coloured gaiters, and is afflicted with considerable deafness. He uses a stick and leans forward when walking. Whoever will give such information respecting him as will lead to his discovery shall receive the above REWARD on application to: Hudson Scott, Jun, 11, English Street. And on the following week: An inquest was held on Friday last by Mr Carrick, coroner, at the house of Mr Gibbons, of Mossband, near the Iron Bridge over the Esk, on the body of Mr Hudson Scott, senior, who was last week advertised in our columns as missing, and a verdict of ³Found Dead² recorded. It seems that the deceased had gone in that direction on the night he was first missing, after having been observed at a late hour in the neighbourhood of Stanwix, and having lost his way, had fallen from exhaustion on Rosetrees Moss, about a quarter of a mile from Mr Gibbons house, where he was accidentally found by a gamekeeper in the service of Sir James Graham. We understand Mr Scott was in his eightieth year, and had not been well for some days previous. His watch was found upon his person, his stick grasped in one hand, and the body lying as if no struggle had taken place. (I don't know if the son Hudson Scott is the one of tin box factory fame, though) Cheers Bridget

Thought this site may be of interest to people it is the HM Government online service for Historical manuscripts Commission - never know someone may find something worthwhile in it. Keep up the digging! <A HREF="http://www.hmc.gov.uk/">Historical Manuscripts Commission</A> Just click on the blue to get to the link Pam

I can't help with your Straneys......but am wondering if you all could tell me how difficult it is to get Catholic records in England. I am curious as to how it compares to other countries. Civil registration started in 1880 in Jamaica, so it is no problem after that date. But in my West Indian and Spanish research, the Catholic records were 'off limits' to the Mormon church to film. However, I see that is now changed in Spain, which really surprises me. I was told by a researcher in Madrid that you had to go from church to church (this was about 3 years ago). As for Jamaica, well.......there is a super Jesuit priest (Fr. Gerry), 77 years of age, who sends out copies of any certificates we request of him. My friend has the indexes on her website, which he sends out for her to transcribe......and we then can order them. As the Figueroas were obviously Catholic in the early days........that was my 'brick wall' in Jamaica. Thanks to Fr. Gerry, I am now back to 1790. And have all the lovely baptismal and marriage certificates (actually, photocopies from the parish registers, which were literally crumbling to bits). So it depends apparently on the Diocese. And over here the United Church of Canada won't let their records be filmed either, according to my friends at the FHC. Any problems in England with this sort of thing??? Different countries........different 'rules'. I have always been able to find the CUL parish records or BT's........but just wondered about say, Catholic, Quaker and so on. In Jamaica, most of the earlier records are C of E......with all the rest lumped into a few 'Dissenter' films. They cover all sorts of religious persuasions........as in Presbyterian, Methodist, Moravian, Baptist, and so on. Just curious.........Heather > Can I add my "brick wall" - the couple are John Straney and wife France (nee Lanaughan). > > The first mention if have of them is at the christening of our ancestor Bernard Straney at St Marys ,1798, Carlisle. There are later children being baptised at St Marys Catholic church - and then being buried in St Marys C of E in Carlisle. > > I cannot find John and Frances prior to 1798 - anybody seen anything of them? > Lynne >

Can I add my "brick wall" - the couple are John Straney and wife France (nee Lanaughan). The first mention if have of them is at the christening of our ancestor Bernard Straney at St Marys ,1798, Carlisle. There are later children being baptised at St Marys Catholic church - and then being buried in St Marys C of E in Carlisle. I cannot find John and Frances prior to 1798 - anybody seen anything of them? Lynne

I am pretty sure I mentioned this to you before, John........but there is an ex-workmate of my husband's named Neville SATTERTHWAITE here in the Toronto, Canada area. He is English, not Canadian........and I am sure we could track him down if you are interested. He would be in his 60's. It is not a name you forget......grin!! He worked for Lansing Bagnall Canada, which was based at Basingstoke. Heather > i too have a man from ZARG,john SATTERTHWAITE,married in penrith 1826,first > 2 children born penrith,1841 census give john born scotland,1851 gives him born penrith,1871 gives same man born preston.what chances do i have. > john in brough > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: heatherf@sprint.ca (Heather Figueroa) > > Sent: Sat Nov 16 22:41:38 GMT 2002 > > To: ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [CUL-CAR] Re: [CUL-COP] PR from Planet Zarg > > > > > > > Is there anyone who has the transcripts or other access to Parish > > Records from the planet Zarg? Is there a Penrith on that Planet? > > > I am coming to the belief that, like so many of my ancestors (and > > other people's), he just appeared from the planet Zarg. However, unlike > > so many others he did not go back there having married and had a horde > > of children as I do know when and where he died. His wife Jane SOWERBY > > also seems to be a Zargian, born about 1785 but don't know where. > > > > > Ha ha ha.......love it. I think my mysterious John Bowness, born about > > 1735, is also from this same planet!! So if anyone stumbles across the > > Zarg Parish Records, please let me know...... > > > > He too had a wife, 7 children, and I found the Admon assigning his wife > > to distribute the assets.......but as to him, I am totally up against a > > brick wall. > > > > Maybe we should do some 'brick wall' posts from others who are stuck. > > Who knows.....maybe someone will recognize a name. > > > > If it hadn't been for both Chris and Karlena, I would have thought this > > man landed here from outer space. Karlena had his name only, as > > marrying one of her ancestors........and I eventually found more > > information in Flimby for both her Allanby ancestors and my Bowness > > ones. > > > > You never know when a name will strike a chord with someone. I am > > forever indebted to Karlena for that information. > > > > Any 'brick walls' from anyone else???? Plus, I do run across Cumberland > > people in Jamaica and would be happy to look up any info for people on > > these Lists. > > > > Cheers......Heather > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ------=_Part_91_3543070.1037525870939 > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > > Return-Path: <mail@bushtv-2.mail.telinco.net> > Return-path: <ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L-request@rootsweb.com> > Envelope-to: johno1942@bushtv-2-internal.mail.telinco.net > Delivery-date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:41:10 +0000 > Received: from bushtv-1-internal.mail.telinco.net ([192.168.8.182] helo=bushtv-1.mail.telinco.net) > by bushtv-2.mail.telinco.net with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) > id 18DBck-0004pA-00 > for johno1942@bushtv-2-internal.mail.telinco.net; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:41:10 +0000 > Received: from [207.40.200.39] (helo=lists2.rootsweb.com) > by bushtv-1.mail.telinco.net with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #7) > id 18DBcn-0008nm-00 > for johno1942@bushinternet.com; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:41:13 +0000 > Received: (from slist@localhost) > by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.12.4/8.12.4) id gAGMeLbM021883; > Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:40:21 -0700 > Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:40:21 -0700 > X-Original-Sender: heatherf@sprint.ca Sat Nov 16 15:40:21 2002 > Message-ID: <013201c28dc1$554e6200$be766395@oemcomputer> > From: "Heather Figueroa" <heatherf@sprint.ca> > Old-To: <ENG-CUL-COPELAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Old-Cc: <ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com> > References: <00aa01c28d7a$071d9160$a02c073e@utbpoqki> > Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:41:38 -0500 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 > Subject: [CUL-CAR] Re: [CUL-COP] PR from Planet Zarg > Resent-Message-ID: <w2hcr.A.qVF.Vls19@lists2.rootsweb.com> > To: ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-From: ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com > X-Mailing-List: <ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/309 > X-Loop: ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com > Precedence: list > Resent-Sender: ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L-request@rootsweb.com > Resent-Bcc: > > > > Is there anyone who has the transcripts or other access to Parish > Records from the planet Zarg? Is there a Penrith on that Planet? > > I am coming to the belief that, like so many of my ancestors (and > other people's), he just appeared from the planet Zarg. However, unlike > so many others he did not go back there having married and had a horde > of children as I do know when and where he died. His wife Jane SOWERBY > also seems to be a Zargian, born about 1785 but don't know where. > > > Ha ha ha.......love it. I think my mysterious John Bowness, born about > 1735, is also from this same planet!! So if anyone stumbles across the > Zarg Parish Records, please let me know...... > > He too had a wife, 7 children, and I found the Admon assigning his wife > to distribute the assets.......but as to him, I am totally up against a > brick wall. > > Maybe we should do some 'brick wall' posts from others who are stuck. > Who knows.....maybe someone will recognize a name. > > If it hadn't been for both Chris and Karlena, I would have thought this > man landed here from outer space. Karlena had his name only, as > marrying one of her ancestors........and I eventually found more > information in Flimby for both her Allanby ancestors and my Bowness > ones. > > You never know when a name will strike a chord with someone. I am > forever indebted to Karlena for that information. > > Any 'brick walls' from anyone else???? Plus, I do run across Cumberland > people in Jamaica and would be happy to look up any info for people on > these Lists. > > Cheers......Heather > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ------=_Part_91_3543070.1037525870939-- > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

------=_Part_91_3543070.1037525870939 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i too have a man from ZARG,john SATTERTHWAITE,married in penrith 1826,first 2 children born penrith,1841 census give john born scotland,1851 gives him born penrith,1871 gives same man born preston.what chances do i have. john in brough > -----Original Message----- > From: heatherf@sprint.ca (Heather Figueroa) > Sent: Sat Nov 16 22:41:38 GMT 2002 > To: ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CUL-CAR] Re: [CUL-COP] PR from Planet Zarg > > > > Is there anyone who has the transcripts or other access to Parish > Records from the planet Zarg? Is there a Penrith on that Planet? > > I am coming to the belief that, like so many of my ancestors (and > other people's), he just appeared from the planet Zarg. However, unlike > so many others he did not go back there having married and had a horde > of children as I do know when and where he died. His wife Jane SOWERBY > also seems to be a Zargian, born about 1785 but don't know where. > > > Ha ha ha.......love it. I think my mysterious John Bowness, born about > 1735, is also from this same planet!! So if anyone stumbles across the > Zarg Parish Records, please let me know...... > > He too had a wife, 7 children, and I found the Admon assigning his wife > to distribute the assets.......but as to him, I am totally up against a > brick wall. > > Maybe we should do some 'brick wall' posts from others who are stuck. > Who knows.....maybe someone will recognize a name. > > If it hadn't been for both Chris and Karlena, I would have thought this > man landed here from outer space. Karlena had his name only, as > marrying one of her ancestors........and I eventually found more > information in Flimby for both her Allanby ancestors and my Bowness > ones. > > You never know when a name will strike a chord with someone. I am > forever indebted to Karlena for that information. > > Any 'brick walls' from anyone else???? Plus, I do run across Cumberland > people in Jamaica and would be happy to look up any info for people on > these Lists. > > Cheers......Heather > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ------=_Part_91_3543070.1037525870939 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: <mail@bushtv-2.mail.telinco.net> Return-path: <ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L-request@rootsweb.com> Envelope-to: johno1942@bushtv-2-internal.mail.telinco.net Delivery-date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:41:10 +0000 Received: from bushtv-1-internal.mail.telinco.net ([192.168.8.182] helo=bushtv-1.mail.telinco.net) by bushtv-2.mail.telinco.net with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18DBck-0004pA-00 for johno1942@bushtv-2-internal.mail.telinco.net; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:41:10 +0000 Received: from [207.40.200.39] (helo=lists2.rootsweb.com) by bushtv-1.mail.telinco.net with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #7) id 18DBcn-0008nm-00 for johno1942@bushinternet.com; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:41:13 +0000 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.12.4/8.12.4) id gAGMeLbM021883; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:40:21 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:40:21 -0700 X-Original-Sender: heatherf@sprint.ca Sat Nov 16 15:40:21 2002 Message-ID: <013201c28dc1$554e6200$be766395@oemcomputer> From: "Heather Figueroa" <heatherf@sprint.ca> Old-To: <ENG-CUL-COPELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Old-Cc: <ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com> References: <00aa01c28d7a$071d9160$a02c073e@utbpoqki> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:41:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Subject: [CUL-CAR] Re: [CUL-COP] PR from Planet Zarg Resent-Message-ID: <w2hcr.A.qVF.Vls19@lists2.rootsweb.com> To: ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/309 X-Loop: ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L-request@rootsweb.com Resent-Bcc: > Is there anyone who has the transcripts or other access to Parish Records from the planet Zarg? Is there a Penrith on that Planet? > I am coming to the belief that, like so many of my ancestors (and other people's), he just appeared from the planet Zarg. However, unlike so many others he did not go back there having married and had a horde of children as I do know when and where he died. His wife Jane SOWERBY also seems to be a Zargian, born about 1785 but don't know where. > Ha ha ha.......love it. I think my mysterious John Bowness, born about 1735, is also from this same planet!! So if anyone stumbles across the Zarg Parish Records, please let me know...... He too had a wife, 7 children, and I found the Admon assigning his wife to distribute the assets.......but as to him, I am totally up against a brick wall. Maybe we should do some 'brick wall' posts from others who are stuck. Who knows.....maybe someone will recognize a name. If it hadn't been for both Chris and Karlena, I would have thought this man landed here from outer space. Karlena had his name only, as marrying one of her ancestors........and I eventually found more information in Flimby for both her Allanby ancestors and my Bowness ones. You never know when a name will strike a chord with someone. I am forever indebted to Karlena for that information. Any 'brick walls' from anyone else???? Plus, I do run across Cumberland people in Jamaica and would be happy to look up any info for people on these Lists. Cheers......Heather ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ------=_Part_91_3543070.1037525870939--

I have a HOPE in my line that, hopefully, someone can provide some help. She was Sarah Hope, baptized in 1736 in Lanercost, Cumberland. She married a James Bell on January 20, 1754 in Lanercost . Died in 1806 Bankshead/Lanercost. I'm looking for information on her parents. I have some information on the children of James and Sarah's children - one was Ann BELL my g x 5 grandmother. Your help, comments, suggestions are most welcome. Bill Knight Researching all the KNIGHT's of Cumberland

Hi Listers, I am new to the List and I am trying to trace the descendants of a Harrison Thompson. Harrison was the son of Jane and Anthony Thompson. In the 1901 census he was aged 18 living with his widowed mother and siblings Thomas [aged 25], Hannah [aged 21], Anthony [aged 14] and Ruth A [aged 9] I believe they were living in Alston. Any information would be gratefully received as we have a family matter to discuss. Regards Dorothy

> Is there anyone who has the transcripts or other access to Parish Records from the planet Zarg? Is there a Penrith on that Planet? > I am coming to the belief that, like so many of my ancestors (and other people's), he just appeared from the planet Zarg. However, unlike so many others he did not go back there having married and had a horde of children as I do know when and where he died. His wife Jane SOWERBY also seems to be a Zargian, born about 1785 but don't know where. > Ha ha ha.......love it. I think my mysterious John Bowness, born about 1735, is also from this same planet!! So if anyone stumbles across the Zarg Parish Records, please let me know...... He too had a wife, 7 children, and I found the Admon assigning his wife to distribute the assets.......but as to him, I am totally up against a brick wall. Maybe we should do some 'brick wall' posts from others who are stuck. Who knows.....maybe someone will recognize a name. If it hadn't been for both Chris and Karlena, I would have thought this man landed here from outer space. Karlena had his name only, as marrying one of her ancestors........and I eventually found more information in Flimby for both her Allanby ancestors and my Bowness ones. You never know when a name will strike a chord with someone. I am forever indebted to Karlena for that information. Any 'brick walls' from anyone else???? Plus, I do run across Cumberland people in Jamaica and would be happy to look up any info for people on these Lists. Cheers......Heather

Is there anyone who has the transcripts or other access to Parish Records from the planet Zarg? Is there a Penrith on that Planet? I have still not been able to find any baptism record for my ggg-grandfather Joseph BORROWDALE (or other spelling). He apparently claimed to have been born in Penrith about 1789 (don't know what that is in Years of the Prophet Zarkwon, though). Other family marriages and baptisms appear in records of St Andrew's Penrith 1795ish to 1850s, then in Christchurch Penrith so it appears that he is likely to appear in a Church of England parish somewhere. I am coming to the belief that, like so many of my ancestors (and other people's), he just appeared from the planet Zarg. However, unlike so many others he did not go back there having married and had a horde of children as I do know when and where he died. His wife Jane SOWERBY also seems to be a Zargian, born about 1785 but don't know where. Malcolm Borrowdale (Swinton, Lancs.) PS He is not the Joseph Borrowdale born Whitehaven 1785.

Hi Listers, I am interested in contact from anyone researching the "Graham" name in the Cumberland, ENGLAND. area. My current research is in Arthuret Parish in Cumberland, ENGLAND. and involves two localities called "Randalinton" and "Brackenhill". I have a string of names at "Randalinton" going back to 1561 who are almost certainly my ancestors but am fast running out of research material to link all of these names together. The "Brackenhill" family is descended from Fergus Graham of "The Mote", 3rd son of William "Long Will" Graham. I have two known connections between the Graham family at "Randalinton" and the Graham family at "Brackenhill". The earliest provable event in my family is a 1699 marriage at Arthuret between John Graham of "Randalinton" and Jane Graham of "Rye-Hill" in Kirklinton Parish, Cumberland, ENGLAND.. John Graham died in 1712 and Jane Graham died in 1727. Unfortunately the parish registers for Arthuret Parish for the early 1600's are badly burnt and unavailable for research until such time as technology exists to restore them. These parish registers would probably provide the material that I am unable to find elswhere. If you are researching in the period of 1650 - 1750 (or earlier) for the Graham name in Arthuret Parish, Cumberland, England, I would love to hear from you. I have a considerable amount of research material that I have accumulated which may help us to connect our research. Best regards, Bruce New Zealand