Hello Everybody, Can someone tell me where Southey Street was/is in Workington please? Bryan

Wow, you really do know how to throw a wrench into the works, don't you! Now I have all the Jacobs and Jacobi to integrate into the James, of which there are plenty in the first place...... What are some of the other land mines I should be wary of? Rowland = Rowlandi. Is there a Latin form of George? Johanes, Johan = John? What about Joseph? Robert = Robertus Is there a Thomas trap? How about William? Quietly sitting in my corner playing with all the pretty sparklies. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Borrowdale" <Mjborrowdale@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [CUL-CAR] Latin Translation > Jacobus was used as the latinised form of James. Latin being an inflected > language, Jacobus and Jacobi are the same name. Jacobus is the nominative > ending so his baptism record would start "Jacobus filius..." (James, the son > of...) but in the baprism records of his son, Robert, you would find > "Robertus filius Jacobi..." (Robert the son of James...). So, look for > Jacobus or Jacobi or James - they are all the same name. > > Malcolm Borrowdale (Swinton, Lancs.) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > I'm on the trail of Jacobus or Jacobi BARWIS. Is there a difference > between > > the two names? Also, the IGI shows the translation as being Jacob or > James. > > Should I be looking for Jacob, James or both? > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Has anyone ever heard of the artist named Edward Alcock? A portrait of Dr. William Brownrigg [1712-1800], (in knee-breeches) at Isel Hall, is attributed to him. Ann Brownrigg

Hi Listers, Many thanks to the people that helped me find a Solicitor by the name of Thompson, the information was very useful, only thing now is to find if he had any descendants. Researching MADGEN, MADGIN Thanks for your help Dotty way down in Surrey

<A HREF="http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/Transcriptions/YKS/Pavers1595-6.html">GENUKI: Paver's Marriage Licenses for the year 1595 and 1596.</A> Pam

This may be of use to other researchers. <A HREF="http://www.nd.edu/~archives/latgramm.htm">Latin Dictionary and Grammar Aid</A> Pam

Here's something I found by Googling for Jacobus: G o o g l e's cache of http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/3011/NGS.htm National Genealogical Society Quarterly "Signatures, Penmanship, and Name Variations Identifying Reverend Mr. Jacob Ware" by Kay Rockett Volume 86, No. 3, September 1998 <snip> "This pair of documents raises yet another research consideration: name variations. The 1675 matriculation register identifies the newly enrolled student as Jacobus Ware, adding (in Latin) 'of All Souls College...' The 1679 graduate signs as 'Jacob Ware (of All Souls College).' The previously cited biographical note in Foster's alumni directory cites the 1675-79 student as James Ware. All three names were interchangeable in that era. Latin was the language of the scholar at Oxford in the 1600's. Students signed their names using the Latin form--in Jacob's case, Jacobus and Jacob. However, Jacobus was also used then as the Latin form of James. Foster, when he compiled his directory two centuries later, translated the student names back into English. During that process, he chose the wrong translation for Jacobus--rather than the less-common Jacob, he used the popular James for both the student and his father." I guess that answers that--look for both! Debra Radack

Nigel, Could this be your gr grandfather with his parents and siblings in the 1851 at Carlisle Enumeration Dist 6a, Folio 250, page, 17. 3, Trinity Buildings, Carlisle. Robert SPROAT, head, mar, 31, Night Watchman, born CUL Irthing Ruth SPROAT, wife, mar, 30, born Throstle Hall, James SPROAT, son, 8, Scholar, born Carlisle Joseph SPROAT,son, 5, born Carlisle Robert SPROAT, son, 1, born Carlisle Regards, Barry Lawman cgrs@lineone.net or Barry@cumberlandroots.co.uk www.cumberlandroots.co.uk Researching HOLLIDAY & LAWMAN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Hunter" <nigel.hunter1@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 6:09 PM Subject: [CUL-CAR] SPROAT family of Carlisle/Dalston > Looking for any links to my Sproat ancestors from the Carlisle area, the > details of which are as follows: > > JAMES SPROAT, born 20/5/1883 (my grandfather): > 1901 Census: Living at The Forge, Buckabank, Dalston, nr Carlisle with > father James Sproat (aged 58, occ: Machine Fitter Cotton Mill, born > Carlisle), mother Jane (aged 60, born Dalston) and sister Jane A (aged 23, > occ: Reeler Cotton Mill, born Carlisle). James' occupation: Groom not > Domestic. Age 17. Single. > > JAMES SPROAT, born c1843 (my great grandfather): > 1881 Census: Living at 29 Pugin Street, Carlisle. Born in Carlisle. Age 38. > Occupation: Engine Fitter in cotton factory. Living with wife, Jane, and > three children: John R, Jane A and Thomas W. > > Cheers, > > Nigel Hunter > Kendal, Cumbria, UK > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

My Cumberland interests are ALLANBY (and variants) and some spouses of Allanbys - BOWNESS, FALLON, HODGSON, PEILE, SMEATON, WALKER, WILLIAMSON. Also I have a second given name of SMEATON. From Flimby, Dearham, Crosscanonby or not too far away. But Whicham gets a mention as well! Robert Tanner In Aus, phone (03) 6231 0794 PO Box 539 From OS, phone +61 3 6231 0794 North Hobart Tasmania 7002 rtanner@trump.net.au Australia http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~robtan/home.html

I've mentioned this site before now: http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/ but 77000 Lancashire marriages seem to have been added since I last looked - so some of you may want to have a look again. The current County totals are: Births Marriages Deaths Cheshire 1,182,106 484,352 406,480 Yorkshire 766,834 115,878 7 Lancashire 0 77,358 0 Newcastle ? ? ? Middlesbrough ? ? ? Cambridgeshire ? ? ? Staffordshire to come. Hmm, Cumberland ???!!! Some of you may have seen an 1837 site being advertised recently. Be wary as the PRO seems to have no knowledge of it. Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-admin@rootsweb.com ENG-CUL-COPELAND-admin@rootsweb.com

As my Latin is rather lousy, I won't attempt that, grin. But my guess would be that both Jacobus and Jacobi are Jacob. Anyway.......have you been in touch with Fred Mantey of these groups? He is doing a one name study (or one heck of a lot) of Barwis/e ancestors. I found one in Prince Edward Island, Canada for him and one in Jamaica, West Indies. Plus I trip over that name often in the Cumberland registers as my search is for BOWNESS. If you need Fred's address, drop me a line. Cheers........Heather Brampton, Ontario > I'm on the trail of Jacobus or Jacobi BARWIS. Is there a difference between > the two names? Also, the IGI shows the translation as being Jacob or James. > Should I be looking for Jacob, James or both? > > Any Latin lessons appreciated :-) > > Debra Barlow Radack > Sandy, Utah, USA > > Researching in Cumberland:: > > CARR > FORRESTER > LIGHTFOOT > SAILE/SAILS/SALE > BARWIS(E) > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I'm on the trail of Jacobus or Jacobi BARWIS. Is there a difference between the two names? Also, the IGI shows the translation as being Jacob or James. Should I be looking for Jacob, James or both? Any Latin lessons appreciated :-) Debra Barlow Radack Sandy, Utah, USA Researching in Cumberland:: CARR FORRESTER LIGHTFOOT SAILE/SAILS/SALE BARWIS(E)

Looking for any links to my Sproat ancestors from the Carlisle area, the details of which are as follows: JAMES SPROAT, born 20/5/1883 (my grandfather): 1901 Census: Living at The Forge, Buckabank, Dalston, nr Carlisle with father James Sproat (aged 58, occ: Machine Fitter Cotton Mill, born Carlisle), mother Jane (aged 60, born Dalston) and sister Jane A (aged 23, occ: Reeler Cotton Mill, born Carlisle). James' occupation: Groom not Domestic. Age 17. Single. JAMES SPROAT, born c1843 (my great grandfather): 1881 Census: Living at 29 Pugin Street, Carlisle. Born in Carlisle. Age 38. Occupation: Engine Fitter in cotton factory. Living with wife, Jane, and three children: John R, Jane A and Thomas W. Cheers, Nigel Hunter Kendal, Cumbria, UK

The inclusion of Robert Tinniswood of Hugglehill in this list is interesting. When my g-grandparents were married in 1865 at Brigham Church in Cockermouth, one of the witnesses was Elizabeth Tinniswood. We know nothing about her, but suspect she is how related. This is the first time I've seen the Tinniswood name on this list. Jon Raymond St. Paul Park, MN http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~raymond

There has always been a gap in the marriage transcripts for Wigton St Mary's between the years 1781 and 1797. I have rectified this and transcribed the "missing" years (298 entries) and they can now be accessed, with an index, on my site www.cumberlandroots.co.uk and follow the Wigton Link. Below is a list of the surnames involved but note that half of these are the names of witnesses to the marriage. The Vicar of the period Wilfrid CLARK very kindly obliged by adding the ages of the bride and groom in about 90% of the entries. I have digital images of the register and will send copies of entries to anyone interested as long as they are for their own personal use. Regards, Barry Lawman cgrs@lineone.net or Barry@cumberlandroots.co.uk www.cumberlandroots.co.uk Researching HOLLIDAY & LAWMAN ABBOT ; ABLOTT ; ADDISON ; ADDISON? ; AERSON? ; ALLAN ; ALOVER? ; ANDERSON ; ARMSTRONG ; ASBRIDGE ;ASHBURNER ;ASKEW ; ASTON ; ASTON? ; ATKIN ; BACKHOUSE ; BAFBY? ; BAILES ; BALES ; BANK ;BANKS ; BARKER ; BARNES ; BARTEN ; BARTON ; BARWISE ; BATY ; BAXTER ; BEATIE ; BEATY ; BELL ; BEWLEY ; BIGLAND ; BIGLANDS ; BIRBECK ; BIRD ; BIRKBECK ; BIRKET ; BLACKBURN ; BLAIR ; BLENKIN ; BOAK ; BOLTON ; BOND ; BORRADAILE ; BOUCH ; BOUSTEAD ; BOWERBANK ; BOWMAN ; BOWRAN ; BOWSTEAD ; BRANSON ; BROCKTON? ; BROMFIELD ; BROUGH ; BROWN ; BRUMELL ; BURNYEAT ; BUSHBY ; BYERS ; CALVERT ;CAMPBELL ; CAPE ; CARLETON ; CARRICK ; CARRUTHERS ; CARTNER ; CASSON ; CHAMBERS ;CHAPELHOW ; CLARK ; COCKTON ; CORRIE ; CORRY ; COULSON ; COULTHARD ; COWANS ; COWEN ;CRAGGLE ; CRAGHILL ; CRAGHILL ; CRAIG ; CREIGHTON ; CROOKDAKE ; CROSTHWAITE ; CROZIER ;CROZIER? ; DALSTON ; DALSTON? ; DALTON ; DAND ; DAVIDSON ; DAVISON ; DICKMAN ; DIXON ; DODGSON ; DRAPE ; EDGAR ; EDGER ; EDMONDSON ; ELLIOT ; FARISH ; FARLAM ; FARL! OM ; FELL ; FIDLER ; FINLEY? ;FINLINSON ; FLACK ; FLEMING ; FORRESTER ; FOSTER ;FRASER ; FURNASS ;FURNESS ; GARNER ; GATE ; GILL ; GLAISTER ; GLOY? ; GOULDING ; GRAHAM ; GRAINGER ; GRAINGER ; GRAINGER? ; GRAVES ; GRAY ;GREENUP ; GREGG ; GRIFFIN ; GUNSON ; H??? ; HAIG ; HALIFAX ; HALL ; HALLIFAX ; HAMILTON ; HARDON ;HARI??? ; HARRISON ; HASSELL ; HAYTON ; HEABRON ; HEAD ; HEDDERTON ; HENDERSON ;HENDRIE ;HERON ; HETHERINGTON ; HEUTRON? ; HEWITSON ; HEWITT ; HEWSON ; HIGGINS ; HINDE ;HODGSON ; HOGG ; HOGGART ; HOLIDAY ; HOLLIDAY ; HOLME ; HOLMES ; HOODLESS ; HOPE ; HOWE ; HOWSON ; HUDSON ; HUNTINGDON ; HUTHART ; INGRAM ; IREDALE ; IRVING ; IRWIN ; ISMAY ; J????SON ;JACKSON ; JAKSON ; JAMES ; JEFFERSON ; JOHNSON ; JOHNSTON ; KAY ; KAY? ; KIRKPATRICK ; KNUBLEY ; LAMLEY ; LAMONBY ; LANCASTER ; LAW ; LAWRENCE ; LAWSON ; LEE ; LENOX ; LIDDEL ; LIDDELL ; LIDDLE ; LIGHTFOOT ; LITTLE ;LONG ; LONSDALE ; LONSDALE? ; LOWES ; LOWTHER ; M????LL ; MABLE? ; MANDALE ; MANDELL ;MANDUELL ; MARKE! ; MARTIN ; MATTHEW ; MATTHEWS ; MATTHEWS? ; MATTINSON ; MAUGHAM ; MAVITY? ; MAWORTH ; MAYSON ; MCCALL ; MCKENZIE ; MCMECHAN ; MESSENGER ; MILLER ;MILNES ; MITCHELL ; MONKHOUSE ; MOORE ; MOSCROP ; MOVITY? ; MURRAY ; NEALSON ; NEWTON ; NICHOLSON ; NICHSON? ; NICKEL ; NIXON ; NORMAN ; OGLANBY ; OUGHTERSON ; PALMER ; PAPE ; PARK ; PARKIN ; PARROT ; PARSON ; PATTERSON ;PATTINSON ; PEARSON ; PEAT ; PEATT ; PENNY ; PORTER ; PORTHOUSE ; POTTER ; PRATT ;PROUD ; PURVIS ; QUAIL ; RAE ; RANKIN ; REAY ; REED ; RICHARDSON ; RICHARDSON ; RICKERBY ; RIDLEY ; RITSON ; RITSON(OTHERWISE RICHARDSON) ; ROBINSON ; RODDINBAKER ; ROOK ; ROOKE ; ROPER ;ROSS ; ROUTLEDGE ; ROWLAND ; RUMNEY ; RYAN ; SADLER? ; SALKELD ; SANDERSON ; SATTERTHWAITE ; SCOT ; SCOTT ; SENIOR? ; SEWELL ; SHADOCK? ; SHANNAN ; SHANNON ; SHEFFEILD ; SHEPHERD ; SHEPPARD ; SIBSON ; SILL ; SILL? ; SIMONDS ; SIMPSON ; SKELTON ; SKINNER ; SKYVENER? ; SLACK ; SLATER ; SMALLWOOD ; SMITH ; SNAITH ; SPARK ; SPEDDING ; STAGG ; STAMPER ; ! STANWIX ; STEEL ; STEELE ; STEWARD ; STEWART ; STOCKDALE ; STODART ; STODDART ; STORDY ; STORNOW? ; STORY ; STRONG ; STUBBS ; STUDHOLME ; TAYLOR ; TELFORD ; TERNENT ; THOMLINON ; THOMPSON ; THOMPSON? ; TICKELL ; TIFFEN ; TIFFIN ; TODD ; TOPING ; TOPPIN ; TOWLSON ; TOWNS? ; TREABRON? ; TREMBLE ; TURNER ; TWENTYMAN ; TYSON ; UNDERWOOD ; VAROY? ; WADE ; WAITE ;WAITE? ; WALKER ; WALLACE ; WALLAS ;WALSH ; WATSON ; WEIGHTMAN ; WELSH ; WESTMORLAND ; WIGGIN ; WILKINSON ; WILLIAMSON ; WILLIS ; WILLS ; WILSON ; WINDER ; WINTER ; WISE ; WITTED? ; WOOD ; WRIGHT ; YOUNG ; YOUNGHUSBAND ;

While doing some research recently I came upon a document which seems to be a record of an arbitration on a land dispute in 1748. The parties involved are SAMUEL WILSON of GREAT ORTON, JAMES WARD and JOSEPH WARD both of ORTON RIGG. The arbitration panel were JOSHUA WILSON of WIGTON, JAMES SROT(Scot?) of THURSBY, JOHN NORMAN of BOW and good old Jonathan Ostell. If anyone is researching any of these families, I would be happy to send them a copy or point them to the location of the original in the CRO at Carlisle. Peter Ostle visit the family websites at www.ostle.ca

Hello the list - just rejoined after an absence of a year or more. Recently returned to Cumbria after a lifetime away. Regarding Dorothie Denn's solicitors - This list is taken from the Carlisle Directory for 1952: Beaty and co Beckton and Robinson Bendle, Sibson and Davidson Blackburn and Main Cartmell's Clutterbuck, Trevenen and mawson Dobinson, Turner and Hughes Dockeray, C. Patrick Harston and Atkinson hough, Halton and Soal Jackson and Saul Mounsay, Bowman and Morton Robertson, HDA Saul and Lightfool Taylor CH Tompson Mawson and Co Webster FG Wright Brown and Strong - also the City Coroner and Commissioner for Oaths JHR Binning, Commissioner for Oaths ML Wigram Yelloly and Burnett Good luck - hope you find it useful Rgds - Pete Jackson

Hi Listers, Would it be possible to find out who now lives at 1 Dene Terrace, Nenthead, Alston. Any help would be greatly appreciated Researching MADGEN, MADGIN Thanks for your help Dotty way down in Surrey

I was looking at the film of the Churchwarden records for Hayton and found the following list of 'vestrymen' appointed in 1740. I have seen several of these surnames on the list - so I thought I would send along the information. Hope it is useful to someone. "August the 15th day Anno Domain 1740 Memorandum That the Day & Year afore the Persons hereafter mentioned were chosen vestrymen for the Parish of Hayton by me -- Matthew Wilkinson Curate John Railton of Gustshouse John Knight of Ashtree Hayton Edward Gill of Hayton John Grahame of Hayton John Maudlin of Cowin [Cowren ?] William Mulcastor of Fenton smith William Carrick of Dubb John Brown of How Thomas Haslehead [sp?] of Little Corby John Reed of Little Corby John Collins of Fenton John Grahame of Edm'd[?] Castle John Hetherington of Hullon[?] Bank Robert Tinniswood of Hugglehill" [John Knight is one of mine] Bill Knight Chagrin Falls, Ohio Researching all the KNIGHT's of Cumberland

Dorithie Denn writes: >Can anyone tell me where I might find a list of Solicitors that had offices in Carlisle around the 1940s - 60s Kelly's Directory? Should be available through Carlisle RO? A modern list of solicitors is available online at: http://www.solicitors-online.com/ Entering Carlisle into the search tool gives 108 results - so maybe not very useful, but a much smaller number of partnerships. I'd guess that a lot of those go back a couple of generations. Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net