Hi David......... Welcome to the Lists. Like you, I have an 'abysmal' knowledge of where towns are at in CUL.......and my darlin' husband managed to throw my excellent Atlas out with the newspapers (he will pay dearly for that one......grin). Anyway.......a few points of interest re your research and mine. I have a couple of films at the LDS on indefinite loan for Flimby & Camerton. I would be happy to look up anything if you wish. Once Xmas is over as our local FHC is only open for another 10 days and then reopens Jan. 7th. As to your Rebecca Ewart, let me know where she was born (or lived) as I have some good Canadian sites and I can forward the links to you. One of them is just a goldmine of information......right down to Barnardo children that came out to Canada. My Canadian ancestry is Prince Edward Island and Ontario.....so can help out there, if that is where she is from. And last, but not least........several of my BOWNESS ancestors were from Kirkton, Dumfrieshire......so we have a lot in common. Cheers........Heather Brampton, Ontario. Looking for any BOWNESS or ALLANBY names in the Whitehaven and Flimby areas at the moment......but I do believe John Bowness is from Planet Zarg, as Malcolm B. thinks his are. We both seem to have ancestors that appeared out of nowhere. > > These are my interests in Cumberland. Hope you'll forgive my > abysmal > > knowledge of Cumberland geography, not quite sure which are > north and which > > are south (although Carlisle is a no-brainer). > > > Carlton - (my line changed from Carleton c.1800 ; have seen > an "extra e" > > > spelling as late as 1844) > > > 1700's Lamplaugh, Ireby > > > 1800's Flimby, Seaton, Camerton, Little Broughton, Dovenby, > Maryport, > > > (Colorado) > > > > > > Raven & Grayson > > > 1700's Ireby > > > > > > Collin & Irving > > > 1700's / 1800's Flimby > > > > > > McClean (McLean) > > > 1700's & 1800's Harrington > > > > > > Trimble (Tremble) > > > 1800's Wigton, Crosby, Carlisle > > > > > > (Possibly Robinson & Jefferson c.1800 in Wigton) > > > > > > (Possibly Watson 1800's in Carlisle) > > > > > > (Also have a Rebecca Ewart b. 3 Sept 1829 in Canada and have > seen theories > > > that her ancestors where from the borders region - some say > Cumberland, > > > others say Scotland. Names being put forth are Ewart, Tulley, > Buckham, > > > Foster) > > > > > > Thomas Carlton was a "Mining engineer" and held a half > interest in the > > > Gillhead Colliery near Flimby - so am interested in coal > mining. > > > > > > Joseph Trimble ran the Blue Bell Inn in Carlisle - innkeeping > is another > > > interest. > > > > > > There were "mariners", "husbandmen" and "farmers" thrown in > for good > > > measure. > > > > > > (Also have interests in Lancashire - Knowles ; and Wales - > Griffith & > > > Davies ; Scotland - ) > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Everyone, I am looking for the Crone family - Joseph, Ann and any children who may have been with them in the Caldcoates, Caldewgate area of Carlisle in the census of 1871. Any help very much appreciated. Bryan

Hi Everybody, Can someone tell me where the following places were/are in Carlisle please : Caldcoates and Willow Holme Any help, as always, is gratefully accepted. Regards, Bryan

Shirley Cormack writes: >I am researching the families of David Wilson b. abt. 1795 who >married Margaret Bell, b. abt. 1799. They were born in and >around Annan in Dumfriessshire and married there. <snip> >I appreciate these births were not in Cumberland but as I >suspect the family lived in the county in later years I wonder >if anyone is researching this family. Given that the surnames WILSON and BELL are very common in this area, might they also be 'Cumbrians' returning to roots? Chris chris@dickinson.uk.net

Hi All.....resending this because it hasn't turned up yet on the Lists......not quite sure what is happening here, but I think I have an idea why. We will see if this one arrives. ------------------------------ Found these the other day when looking up a Dickenson for Trudy. As usual, just recognized the names as ones that are often mentioned. Again, these are all from LDS film #90658 for St. Bees & St. Nicholas. Baptism, 25 Dec 1835 - Tyson, son of Joseph and Isabella Dickenson, abode Rothersyke, farmer, performed by Wm. Singer, Perpetual Curate. Also.....burial of Henry Dickenson of Rothersyke 15 Nov 1834, 3 months old.....by Thomas Stone. Also found...... Baptism, 14 Apr 1695 of Mary, daughter of George Brownrigge of Howman. Burial, 7 Oct 1695 of Edward Twentyman of Whitehaven Baptism 20 Nov 1836 of Elizabeth, daughter of James & Mary Borrowdale, abode St. Bees, Blacksmith, performed by Thomas Stone. Baptism 18 Dec. 1836 of Eleanor, daughter of Daniel & Mary Pattinson, abode Braystones, Husbandman, by Thomas Stone. Cheers....Heather (Bowness)

Hi All..... Found these the other day when looking up a Dickenson for Trudy. As usual, just recognized the names as ones that are often mentioned. Again, these are all from LDS film #90658 for St. Bees & St. Nicholas. Baptism, 25 Dec 1835 - Tyson, son of Joseph and Isabella Dickenson, abode Rothersyke, farmer, performed by Wm. Singer, Perpetual Curate. Also.....burial of Henry Dickenson of Rothersyke 15 Nov 1834, 3 months old.....by Thomas Stone. Also found...... Baptism, 14 Apr 1695 of Mary, daughter of George Brownrigge of Howman. Burial, 7 Oct 1695 of Edward Twentyman of Whitehaven Baptism 20 Nov 1836 of Elizabeth, daughter of James & Mary Borrowdale, abode St. Bees, Blacksmith, performed by Thomas Stone. Baptism 18 Dec. 1836 of Eleanor, daughter of Daniel & Mary Pattinson, abode Braystones, Husbandman, by Thomas Stone. Cheers....Heather (Bowness)

I am researching the families of David Wilson b. abt. 1795 who married Margaret Bell, b. abt. 1799. They were born in and around Annan in Dumfriessshire and married there. Children: William chr. 18.2.1821, Bridgend, Drysedale George b. 22.3.1826, Bridgend. Maynie b. 22.3.1826, Annan Margaret b. 30.12.1832, Gretna Ann chr. 3.10.1841, Gretna These names and dates were taken from the Family Search website and I have still to confirm them. I believe Ann was my g.grandmother who married James Wray in Everton, Liverpool on 12.2.1866. David Wilson, father, was a farmer according to the marriage certificate. I appreciate these births were not in Cumberland but as I suspect the family lived in the county in later years I wonder if anyone is researching this family. Shirley Cormack

Hi All....... Just wanted to give you my new email address. The old one is still on here to catch any strays, but finally got cable and enjoying it immensely. The speed amazes me!! New address is heatherfig@rogers.com Only 'down' side is trying to remember all the places that my Sprint address is re genealogy......8-(( Cheers......Heather

I have just oploaded to my site www.cumberlandroots.co.uk transcripts of the Wigton Catholic Chapel Marriage Register 1832-1855, together with and index. There are only 55 entries in the register and are mainly of Irish people living in the area for the weaving trade. Some of the names are "a little indistinct" in the entries so please use a little imagination if you are looking for any particular name. Follow the Wigton link from the home page Regards, Barry Lawman cgrs@lineone.net or Barry@cumberlandroots.co.uk www.cumberlandroots.co.uk Researching HOLLIDAY & LAWMAN

Is anyone connected to the Carlisle branch of my Fraser family? My information comes from a circa 1880 family tree which, though not altogether accurate, is usually pretty true with the other branches that I have been able to check. John FRASER b Saline, Fife, Scotland in 1770, a 'mechanic' in Carlisle who married Ann JOHNSTONE in Carlisle in 1803. John died in 1842 and Ann in 1834. Their children were: William FRASER 1809-1818 Alexander FRASER 1811-1818 Margaret FRASER 1817-1818 Burns FRASER 1815-1818 Duncan FRASER b 1807, a stone mason, enlisted 30th regt Bermuda, he died a bachelor age 33 John FRASER b 1805, a stone mason, married to Mary SANDERSON, died without issue in Newcastle upon Tyne 1875 Hugh FRASER, b 1813, a millwright at Carlisle, married at Gretna in 1839 to Ann Amelia CLEMINSTON, their two children were 1. John Duncan FRASER b Carlisle 1846, an engineer, married Ann Eliza LIDDEL and had children John Alexander FRASER 1872, Margaret Ann FRASER 1874, Thomas FRASER 1876 2. Alexander FRASER b 1850, an engineer, married Sarah Ann CRUM, and had children James FRASER 1874, John Duncan FRASER 1875, William FRASER 1880. Polly

Hello List, This George was the 7th great grandfather of my husbands. We would love to know more about him. Have a copy of his will & list of effects. What we know: George BLAMIRE of Bow marr to Mary? Mabel ROBINSON of Cargo. George died 20 Apr 1691 Carlisle. The family were Quakers. 1. children: Thomas b 17 Apr 1694 marr to Deborah STORDY their children: George, Mary, Abigail, Deborah, Anne 2. Unknown dau marr a ? JOHNSON their children: Abigail, Anne, Ruth Who were: His Ancestors? Descendants after his children & grandchildren? Where would I begin? Has anyone researched this man? Any ideas most welcome. Regards, Marjorie in NV.

Hi All We have been checking some old 1841 census records given to us some time ago and I wonder if anyone knows of a:- Henders Lane? or of any information on any of the below. I have this info.:- 1841 ref. EDS 174.9.11 Henders Lane Ostel William age 25 Ag/lab.born Cumb. Ostel Mary age 25 born Cumb. Children:- Hannah age 6, Jane age 4, Jonathan age 3,and Ann age 1, all born Cumb. We have not found it in any place names and our research found them at Borrans Hill, Sebergham in the 1851 census. Any information would be appreciated Joan and Len

Dear All, Has anyone any connection with this family? Name: James McKENZIE ---------------------------------------- Birth: Castle St., Carlisle Baptism: 16 Jan 1791 St Marys, Carlisle Burial: 28 Oct 1872 Occupation: cotton weaver 1,2,3 Residence: Botchergate, Carlisle Father: Henry McKENZIE (~1762-) Mother: Barbara CHARLES (-1823) Marriage: 16 Nov 1811 St Mary's, Carlisle ---------------------------------------- Spouse: Ann GRAHAM ---------------------------------------- Birth: 1786/1787 Dalston Unthank1,2,3 Children: ---------------------------------------- 1 F: Anne McKENZIE Baptism: 21 Apr 1816 St Mary's, Carlisle ---------------------------------------- 2 M: Henry McKENZIE Baptism: 2 Jan 1820 St Mary's, Carlisle ---------------------------------------- 3 F: Susannah McKENZIE Baptism: 19 Jan 1823 St Cuthbert's, Carlisle ---------------------------------------- 4 F: Barbara McKENZIE Birth: Carlisle Baptism: 14 Nov 1825 St Cuthbert's, Carlisle Occupation: machine winder3 Spouse: Thomas HOLLIDAY Marriage: 25 Jun 1854 St Cuthbert's, Carlisle4 ---------------------------------------- 5 M: William Timothy McKENZIE Birth: abt 1829 Carlisle2 Occupation: cabinet maker2,3 ---------------------------------------- 6 M: James Charles McKENZIE Baptism: 19 Jan 1823 St Cuthbert's, Carlisle Occupation: shoemaker's apprentice, bootmaker1 Misc. Notes 1881 Census - Caldewgate - James C. McKENZIE - head - 56 - bootmaker - Carlisle Spouse: Sarah ? ---------------------------------------- 7 M: William McKENZIE Baptism: 19 Jan 1823 Carlisle Best Wishes, Linda Moorhouse www.riverlune.co.uk

Hi Penny, Here are a few Latin versions of names to keep you going (courtesy of the Eve McLaughlin Guide "Simple Latin"): Aegidius = Giles Agneta = Agnes Andreas = Andrew Anna = Anne, Hannah Brigitta = Bridget Carolus = Charles Christopherus, Xtopherus = Christopher Elena, Helena = Ellen, Helen Franciscus = Francis Galfridus = Godfrey, Geoffrey Georgius = George Gratia = Grace Gualterius = Walter Gulielmus = William Henricus = Henry Hierimia/s = Jeremiah, Jeremy Jacobus = James, Jacob Jana = Jane, Joan, Jean Janetta = Janet Joannes, Johannes = John Josephus = Joseph Juliana = Jill, Gillian Lucas = Luke Maria = Mary Matilda = Maud Mattheus, Matthias = Matthew Micaelis = Michael Patricius = Patrick Petrus = Peter Radulphus = Ralph Ricardus = Richard Stephanus = Stephen Thomas, Thoma = Thomas Several English names just have a "us" added on the end for their Latin version, or an "a" for female names. Petra ----- Original Message ----- From: "penny" <penlu1@earthlink.net> To: <CUMBERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 9:00 PM Subject: [CUL] Re: [CUL-CAR] Latin Translation > Wow, you really do know how to throw a wrench into the works, don't you! > Now I have all the Jacobs and Jacobi to integrate into the James, of which > there are plenty in the first place...... > > What are some of the other land mines I should be wary of? > > Rowland = Rowlandi. > Is there a Latin form of George? > Johanes, Johan = John? > What about Joseph? > Robert = Robertus > Is there a Thomas trap? > How about William? > > Quietly sitting in my corner playing with all the pretty sparklies. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Malcolm Borrowdale" <Mjborrowdale@btinternet.com> > To: <ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:44 PM > Subject: Re: [CUL-CAR] Latin Translation > > > > Jacobus was used as the latinised form of James. Latin being an inflected > > language, Jacobus and Jacobi are the same name. Jacobus is the nominative > > ending so his baptism record would start "Jacobus filius..." (James, the > son > > of...) but in the baprism records of his son, Robert, you would find > > "Robertus filius Jacobi..." (Robert the son of James...). So, look for > > Jacobus or Jacobi or James - they are all the same name. > > > > Malcolm Borrowdale (Swinton, Lancs.) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > I'm on the trail of Jacobus or Jacobi BARWIS. Is there a difference > > between > > > the two names? Also, the IGI shows the translation as being Jacob or > > James. > > > Should I be looking for Jacob, James or both?

Hi All...... Yesterday I was trying to find a baptism for one of our Listers and didn't, but in the meantime, I kept tripping over names that I see on these Lists, so wrote quite a few of them down, but not all of them, by any means. Maybe the interested researchers already have these people, but I will put them out here just in case.....and believe me, there are more of each. These are all from the LDS film for St. Bees & St. Nicholas, Film No. 90658. The dates I have transcribed are early to mid 1700's, but this film goes back earlier (plus later) and I have it on indefinite loan, so let me know if you need any research. It goes from about 1676 to 1837, but there are years missing in the 1800's. This will be strictly chronological as I have over two pages of them. They are baptisms, marriages and burials, so I just wrote them down as I saw them......no attempt at being alphabetical or in 'event' order......have fun and I hope these aid someone...... Some of the many names I saw were MOSSOP, DIXON, and the following.......(I hope I got the town/village names right) Burial of Anne BROWNRIGG, wife of George Brownrigg of Howman, 23 Sept. 1704. Burial of Elizabeth, daughter of Ellin BORRADALE of St. Bees, 29 Nov 1704 Baptism of Henry, son of Jacob BROWNRIGGS of Rodderlake?, 24 Oct 1704 (yes, it did have an 's' at the end) Burial of James, son of Jame HAYTON of St. Bees 19 Dec 1704 Baptism of Dorothy, daughter of William BORRADALE of Middle Coulderton? 30 Sept 1704...........followed by burial on 13 Oct 1704. Baptism of Henry, son of Joseph DICKINSON of Whitehaven, 22 Sept 1704 Burial of Joseph DICKINSON of Whitehaven, 20 Apr. 1705 Marriage of Anthony STEEL and Alice BROWNRIGG 26 June 1705 SATTERTHWAITE, Thomas......baptism of son Henry on 14 Oct 1705, followed by burials of Isabel, his daughter, 24 Oct 1705, and his son Henry, 28 Oct 1705.......all of Whitehaven. Baptism, 23 Nov 1719 of Mary, daughter of Jacob BORADALE of Middletown. Baptism 7 Oct 1720 of Margaret, daughter of Francis DICKINSON, of the Abbey Burial 12 May 1721 of Elizabeth, daughter of Henry DICKINSON of Endside Burial 12 June 1721 of Anthony BORADALE of Whitehaven Baptism 18 Aug 1721 of Thomas, son of William DICKINSON of Coal Grove Bank Baptism 6 Apr 1722 of Hester, daughter of Henry DICKINSON of Endside Marriage 29 Apr 1722 of Peter FISHER and Elizabeth BROWNRIGG, by banns Baptism 14 June 1724 of Anne, daughter of Francis DICKENSON of the Abbey Marriage 20 Aug 1724 of Thomas TROUTBECK and Elizabeth BORADALE, by banns Burial 13 Sept 1724 of Margaret, daughter of Francis DICKINSON of the Abbey (4 years old) Marriage 26 Mar 1733 of George RICHARDSON of Whitehaven to Anne HAYTON of St. Bees Marriage 9 Feb 1728 of George PONSONBY and Mary Ann BORROWDALE (banns). ..........jumping now to mid 1700's...... Burial of William DICKINSON, of Upper Couldorton, Yeoman, 21 Sept. 1766 Marriage of Nicholas DICKINSON, yeoman, and Mary YOUNG, spinster of Upper Couldorton, by banns, 7 Apr 1766 Baptism 3 Dec 1766 of William, son of Nicholas DICKINSON of Rothersike Marriage 31 Dec 1767 of Charles HAMES and Mary HAYTON, spinster, both of Whitehaven, by banns ----------------- Cheers.......Heather looking for that elusive John BOWNESS, married to Mary ALLANBY in Flimby in 1764, but lived and died (1787) in Whitehaven.

Thank you, Malcolm. I appreciate all the responses to this query, both on and off list. You've all been very helpful. It's amazing the peripheral education I'm picking up while doing my genealogy! Debra Radack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Borrowdale" <Mjborrowdale@btinternet.com> To: "Debra Radack" <dbradack@earthlink.net>; <ENG-CUL-CARLISLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [CUL-CAR] Latin Translation Jacobus was used as the latinised form of James. Latin being an inflected language, Jacobus and Jacobi are the same name. Jacobus is the nominative ending so his baptism record would start "Jacobus filius..." (James, the son of...) but in the baprism records of his son, Robert, you would find "Robertus filius Jacobi..." (Robert the son of James...). So, look for Jacobus or Jacobi or James - they are all the same name. Malcolm Borrowdale (Swinton, Lancs.) ----- Original Message ----- > I'm on the trail of Jacobus or Jacobi BARWIS. Is there a difference between > the two names? Also, the IGI shows the translation as being Jacob or James. > Should I be looking for Jacob, James or both?

Thanks again. I thought I had a basic grasp of Latin, the 'a' and the 'us' endings are pretty basic, and floating around somewhere in the depths is something about 6 or 7 cases of nouns. But who'da thunk some of these??? English has to be the stupidest language on the face of the Earth.... and I'm an English teacher!! > Hi Penny, > > Here are a few Latin versions of names to keep you going (courtesy of the > Eve McLaughlin Guide "Simple Latin"): >

Hello all...after a massive re-think, looking again at known information and making a fairly educated guess with considerable help from Malcom Hill I now think I have my Richard Routledge in the 1841 census for Carlisle..if this family of weavers from Duke Street rings any bells with anyone please stop me from going completly crackers with this lot. Richard Routledge 68 weaver Richard Routledge 12......mine went to Devon before 1851 James Routledge 45 Weaver Mary Routledge 35 Ann 10 Jane 8 Mary 6 Sarah 4 Margaret 1 Mary Foster uncertain about this surname may be Routledge John Foster 6 Thomas Foster 3 weeks Mandy Almond

Some listers in the former colonies might like to see this picture of a model of the original abbey chuch at Holm Cultram which is in the new Solway Coast Discovery Centre in Silloth. http://users.tinyworld.co.uk/peterostle/early1.jpg If anyone would like a bigger, better version, mail me off-list. Hope this isn't "off-topic" Chris! Peter Ostle visit the family websites at www.ostle.ca

Jacobus was used as the latinised form of James. Latin being an inflected language, Jacobus and Jacobi are the same name. Jacobus is the nominative ending so his baptism record would start "Jacobus filius..." (James, the son of...) but in the baprism records of his son, Robert, you would find "Robertus filius Jacobi..." (Robert the son of James...). So, look for Jacobus or Jacobi or James - they are all the same name. Malcolm Borrowdale (Swinton, Lancs.) ----- Original Message ----- > I'm on the trail of Jacobus or Jacobi BARWIS. Is there a difference between > the two names? Also, the IGI shows the translation as being Jacob or James. > Should I be looking for Jacob, James or both?