Sorry can't help. I have canal boat people in my tree but not Violet Hill. Good luck with your search. ----Original message---- From : eng-canal-people@rootsweb.com Date : 01/01/2019 - 12:57 (GMT) To : eng-canal-people@rootsweb.com Cc : manic_tomcat@yahoo.co.uk Subject : [ENG-CANAL-PEOPLE] Looking for the family of Violet/Voilet Hill, born circa 1895, Salford or Stoke on Trent, England Hi, I am looking for the birth family of my great grandmother Violet May Hill. (Her middle name may have been added by her adopted family). She was known as Violet in the family but the spelling may have been Voilet. I have found Violet on the 1901 census ( Voilet M Hill, Adop. Dau, aged 5 (birthplace) Manchester, Lancs), adopted parents are William and Ann Owen. I have also found Violet on the 1911 census (Voilet May Owen, Adopted Daughter, aged 15, (birthplace) Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire) with her adopted parents. From the 1939 census a birth date given for her is 20 Sep 95 (being adopted, the accuracy of this date maybe questionable). I have looked through the GRO index lists and have quite a few options. I am posting this message to see if I can narrow down the options for certificates. Does anyone have a Violet or Voilet Hill in their family who disappeared from their family at an early age without being found in the death indexes? Her family may have been working on the canal and it may have been how she came to be adopted by canal employee William Owen and his wife Ann in Shropshire. _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/eng-canal-people@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi, I am looking for the birth family of my great grandmother Violet May Hill. (Her middle name may have been added by her adopted family). She was known as Violet in the family but the spelling may have been Voilet. I have found Violet on the 1901 census ( Voilet M Hill, Adop. Dau, aged 5 (birthplace) Manchester, Lancs), adopted parents are William and Ann Owen. I have also found Violet on the 1911 census (Voilet May Owen, Adopted Daughter, aged 15, (birthplace) Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire) with her adopted parents. From the 1939 census a birth date given for her is 20 Sep 95 (being adopted, the accuracy of this date maybe questionable). I have looked through the GRO index lists and have quite a few options. I am posting this message to see if I can narrow down the options for certificates. Does anyone have a Violet or Voilet Hill in their family who disappeared from their family at an early age without being found in the death indexes? Her family may have been working on the canal and it may have been how she came to be adopted by canal employee William Owen and his wife Ann in Shropshire.

Is this what you want? This is from archives "Our ancestors were certainly inventive and adventurous engineers, but I don't recall that project! There's not much point building a canal under the sea - the sea makes a very effective water link between the English and French waterways systems. Serious attempts to tunnel under the Channel - by the shortest route, Dover to Calais - were made in the late 19thC, but abandoned for fear of invasion. No further attempts were made until the late 20thC. The project which might fit your information was the Trevithick - Vazie ("the Mole") attempt to tunnel under the Thames from Wapping to Rotherhithe. They started in 1802 on the South (Rotherhithe) side, and dug a 5' x 3' hole almost to Wapping - but ran into quicksand, which collapsed into the workings in 1808, causing the abandonment of the project. Brunel's tunnel was begun in 1825, and completed in 1843, using a shield to counter the soft areas of ground. -- David Long Sankey Canal Restoration Society http://www.scars.org.uk/ Updated January 2002 - with the Autumn issue of our magazine CANAL CUTTINGS - illustrated" Kathryne Natale momnat@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Ava WOODS via <eng-canal-people@rootsweb.com> To: british-mariners <british-mariners@rootsweb.com>; eng-thameswatermen <eng-thameswatermen@rootsweb.com>; eng-canal-people <eng-canal-people@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2015 3:37 pm Subject: [ENG-CANAL-PEOPLE] TWISS family--re: TWISS, Wm., General, 1745-1827 TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN; I am researching for a TWISS, Wm., 1745-1827 in England and was given a bunch of info. on this gentleman about a month and a half back. I did a "naughty" by deleting all of my Sent Mail, Trash, etc., and came back to my Inbox and noticed that I had only "8" messages left and had deleted the one message which I had wanted concerning this gentleman! I feel like a fool! I was wondering, please, if SKS might be able to help me to recoup that info. which had been given me or, where I might be able to find different info. on him. He was in the Army and his father was a Waterman and was b. in Sussex. This is all I can recall. Is there anyone out there who might even suggest something, please? Thank you so much. Shannah TWISS overthepond648@gmail.com Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CANAL-PEOPLE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN; I am researching for a TWISS, Wm., 1745-1827 in England and was given a bunch of info. on this gentleman about a month and a half back. I did a "naughty" by deleting all of my Sent Mail, Trash, etc., and came back to my Inbox and noticed that I had only "8" messages left and had deleted the one message which I had wanted concerning this gentleman! I feel like a fool! I was wondering, please, if SKS might be able to help me to recoup that info. which had been given me or, where I might be able to find different info. on him. He was in the Army and his father was a Waterman and was b. in Sussex. This is all I can recall. Is there anyone out there who might even suggest something, please? Thank you so much. Shannah TWISS overthepond648@gmail.com Canada

I am trying to locate any information on my GG Grandfather Francis Vernon. He was down on my G Grandfathers wedding cert as a "boatman". My G Grandfather was Frank Vernon born 1879 in Warwickshire and lived in Birmingham. I can't find anything on either of them in any census or a birth for Frank. Any tidbits of info would be greatly appreciated. Mel Williams New Zealand

Hi I am new to the list and would like to post my interest I have STEPHEN SMART born circa 1839, he married my Gt Grandmother ANNE WATKINS at St Peter The Great Church Worcester, 1876 after this I can find no mention other than on a census 1851 I believe it is him S S on a Canal Boat right age etc, it suits his life style.  On his marriage he states father THOMAS and STEPHEN  lives CHERRY ORCHARD which is on the canals (I visited to get information).  STEPHEN and ANNE have my grandfather THOMAS SMART aka THOMAS CRUMP 1876 lived MAthon with mother and her children from a previous marriage (Crumps). Any help appreciated.   Elaine

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Some of my SMEDLEY ancestors were boatmen on the Trent at Sawley in Derbyshire in the 19th century. There is perhaps a very tentative link for them to Banbury in Oxfordshire and would like to know if there was any possibility of regular river and canal traffic between these to parishes in the late 1700's and the first half of the 1800's. I'm hoping that someone with a knowledge of the canal and river trade in that broad time period will be able to help. Thank you Darryl Sydney Australia

Hi, George Sankey (born about 1826) was my Great Great Grandfather and at the time of his marriage (25/12/1849) was a Boatman. I think I have found him on the 1841 Census at Stourbridge Wharf, a Boat Steerer aged 15. He and another boy, Robert James aged 14, are the only occupants. According to the marriage certificate his father, who had died by 1849, was Samuel Sankey and a labourer. However I have also found a Samuel Sankey on a boat at Lowesmoor Basin, Worcester for the 1841 Census and am tempted to think that this is my GGG Grandfather. The enumerator was obviously out of luck that day as he could not record Samuel´s age or whether he was born in the county, and against wife´s name it just says "Mrs"! Can anyone supply any information at all to fill out these meagre details or prove/disprove the connection I have assumed, please? Thanks Gareth Jenkins

Hi, researching. Benton and Fradley/Fraidley.Also could someone tell me when engines were first used in the boats and would it have been just horse power before then ? Many thanks Sue

I am researching the ROACH family with links to HOTWELLS and CLIFTON Bristol The family had a very long established link to Bristol's Maritime history ( Barchman, Paddle steamers, waterman, lighterman, admiralty, naval etc ) Would anyone have any family connection or know of any possible historical events or interest to the ROACH surname. Please Contact : keithcranney@yahoo.co.uk chriscranney32@yahoo.com keithcranney@googlemail.com H

I have a John Mayall born 1851, married to Elizabeth Mann born 1849, at Tewkesbury in 1870. I have not found his parents but Elizabeth's family were boat people. John almost certainly was but is detailed on a census as a labourer. John and Elizabeth went on to have seven children, four male, three female. Their first born child was born on the canal at Great bridge, Tipton, Dudley, born 1873, named John, he married into my family, marrying Eliza Tonks born c1875, at St.Catherines church, Gloucester in 1890. They had nine children, four male, five female. The following report was from the Gloucester Citizen:- 05.06.1915...Sad Drowning Fatality at Gloucester The Coroner (Mr Charles Scott) held an inquest...upon the body of Elizabeth Jane Mayall, aged 7 years, of 6, Priory-road, Gloucester, who was drowned in the Severn at the Quay on Tuesday. Eliza Ann Mayall, the child's mother, said her husband had recently enlisted. He was previously a waterman. The child did not go to school, as she was mentally deficient. The Coroner: Did you consider she was fit to trust in the streets alone? Witness: She always went out alone and always came back all right. But she was not fit to be allowed out alone, was she? --Yes, sir. She was a very sensible girl. Witness said she had had 14 children, only 4 of whom were still living. Deceased was in good health. Witness last saw her shortly after 11 o'clock, when she was sent to buy some sweets from a shop in Westgate-street. At about 12 o'clock witness's sister told her that the child was in the water. Soon afterwards the child was brought home dead. Answering a juror, witness said she had warned her child about the danger of the water, but she often went down to the Quay. The Coroner: You say the child was a sensible child? --Witness: She was, sir. Did you not know it was proposed to deal with her under the Mental Deficiency Act and send her to a home? --She had been examined by Dr Hope, but he did not say she was going to be sent away. James William Narraway, aged 11 years, of St. Stephens-court, said he used to play with the deceased. He was playing with her on Tuesday morning at the Quay. They were playing near the steps when deceased said she wanted to go into the water. She said it was not very deep. He next saw her slip into the water. She came up three times. Witness shouted to a man, who did not come at once, but he did come when witness shouted again, and dragged for the body. Walter Worral, 32, Clare-street, boatman, said he came to the Quay at 12.45 on Tuesday, and saw a crowd of people on the wall. The boat upon which he was working was pulled to the spot where the child had fallen into the water. A search was made with shafts and drags, and the child was brought to the surface. She was dead. Witness did not know who the man referred to by the previous witness was. His boat had not arrived at that time. The jury returned a verdict that the child was accidentally drowned, and expressed sympathy with the parents. John and Eliza's first child was also called John, born 1894, he was given the middle name of Tunks, a variant of Tonks, depending on how the name was heard and written by the registrar. I don't know if this is a link to your Mayall's, but it might be a good line of enquiry. > From: eng-canal-people-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: ENG-CANAL-PEOPLE Digest, Vol 7, Issue 5 > To: eng-canal-people@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 01:01:41 -0600 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. SAVAGE boatmen - Gloucestershire/Staffordshire (Lynda's Lot) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 13:49:30 +1200 > From: "Lynda's Lot" <lydige@gmail.com> > Subject: [ENG-CANAL-PEOPLE] SAVAGE boatmen - > Gloucestershire/Staffordshire > To: ENG-CANAL-PEOPLE@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAKLk61q1t3yC+Dh=qnpGAGQBHftOPxu5-3nEvi-Ekk8R+pYkWg@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi. Searching for any information on John SAVAGE and his sons George and > John - all watermen/boatmen. John senior married Elizabeth in 1823 in > Tewkesbury and their children John (1824), Elizabeth (1826), Ann (1831) & > George (1835) baptised Tewkesbury. Ann stayed in Gloucestershire and > married James Taylor MAYALL at Tewkesbury in 1855. > > I can't find these Savages between 1841-1861 in censuses but believe > I've found George and John junior in Staffordshire censuses, as boatmen. > > Thanks, Lynda in New Zealand > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-CANAL-PEOPLE list administrator, send an email to > ENG-CANAL-PEOPLE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ENG-CANAL-PEOPLE mailing list, send an email to ENG-CANAL-PEOPLE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CANAL-PEOPLE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-CANAL-PEOPLE Digest, Vol 7, Issue 5 > **********************************************

Hi Lynda A lot of the canal boatmen weren't counted on the early censuses. so you may never find them. Whereabouts in Staffordshire were they in the later censuses? Many boatmen recorded BMDs in Wolverhampton, try website wolverhamptonhistory.org.uk which has some of the parish register entries. Found some of mine there. Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynda's Lot" <lydige@gmail.com> To: <ENG-CANAL-PEOPLE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 2:49 AM Subject: [ENG-CANAL-PEOPLE] SAVAGE boatmen - Gloucestershire/Staffordshire > Hi. Searching for any information on John SAVAGE and his sons George and > John - all watermen/boatmen. John senior married Elizabeth in 1823 in > Tewkesbury and their children John (1824), Elizabeth (1826), Ann (1831) & > George (1835) baptised Tewkesbury. Ann stayed in Gloucestershire and > married James Taylor MAYALL at Tewkesbury in 1855. > > I can't find these Savages between 1841-1861 in censuses but believe > I've found George and John junior in Staffordshire censuses, as boatmen. > > Thanks, Lynda in New Zealand > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CANAL-PEOPLE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2437.1.1/5131 - Release Date: 07/14/12 08:04:00

Hi. Searching for any information on John SAVAGE and his sons George and John - all watermen/boatmen. John senior married Elizabeth in 1823 in Tewkesbury and their children John (1824), Elizabeth (1826), Ann (1831) & George (1835) baptised Tewkesbury. Ann stayed in Gloucestershire and married James Taylor MAYALL at Tewkesbury in 1855. I can't find these Savages between 1841-1861 in censuses but believe I've found George and John junior in Staffordshire censuses, as boatmen. Thanks, Lynda in New Zealand

Thanks for the thought Barbara. I may try them again, although I did visit Ellesmere Port a few years ago without much success. Graham From: Barbara Harvey [mailto:barbaraannharvey@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: 21 March 2012 10:36 To: eng-canal-people@rootsweb.com Cc: graham@gshenton.me.uk Subject: Re: [ENG-CANAL-PEOPLE] ENG-CANAL-PEOPLE Digest, Vol 7, Issue 3 Perhaps contact the Ellesmere Port Boat Museum in Cheshire. I understand they have some canal boat records . They may know of ancillary trades. Barbara in Liverpool

Hi Graham and Aileen Believe there were specialist makers of boots for canal boatmen, as "legging" the boats through the tunnels put heavy wear and tear on boots. One of the links to my Mum's canal boat family were bootmakers who made specifically for the trade. Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Shenton" <graham@gshenton.me.uk> To: <eng-canal-people@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-CANAL-PEOPLE] ENG-CANAL-PEOPLE Digest, Vol 7, Issue 3 > Greetings listers > > I have just seen Aileen's posting regarding her WOOD ancestor and I have a > similar situation with one of my ancestors John JONES, born in Wellington, > Shropshire about 1789. He was also a Shoe/Bootmaker. Between 1820 and > 1822 > he was in Liverpool where he married, and baptized his first daughter, and > in 1924 he was in Halifax. Between 1828 and 1834 he was in Worksop, > before > returning to Shropshire by 1836. Liverpool, Halifax and Worksop were all > on > the canal network and I can see no other connection between them. > > I would imagine boatmen gave their boots a hard life and there would have > been a demand for bootmakers working near canals, but there seems to be > little literature regarding the "ancillary" trades associated with canal > working. > > Graham (East Sussex) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > I am trying to find information about my family WOOD > being an ex brummy myself I am now wondering if the midland waterways > were part of their lives, > > I have a mathias WOOD born 1811 bedford, > > married? 1833 st pauls bedford > > married 1841 tewkesbury > > lived? 1841 --- > upton on severn > > he is on the census as shoemaker, > but it seems to me that these events correspond to the canal boat system > > trying to find his parents who I believe are John WOOD and mary, > > are there records of families working narrow boats, any tips > gratefully received > > aileen > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CANAL-PEOPLE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.927 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4283 - Release Date: 03/20/12 19:34:00

Perhaps contact the Ellesmere Port Boat Museum in Cheshire. I understand they have some canal boat records . They may know of ancillary trades.   Barbara in Liverpool From: Graham Shenton <graham@gshenton.me.uk> To: eng-canal-people@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2012, 10:14 Subject: Re: [ENG-CANAL-PEOPLE] ENG-CANAL-PEOPLE Digest, Vol 7, Issue 3 Greetings listers I have just seen Aileen's posting regarding her WOOD ancestor and I have a similar situation with one of my ancestors John JONES, born in Wellington, Shropshire about 1789.  He was also a Shoe/Bootmaker.  Between 1820 and 1822 he was in Liverpool where he married, and baptized his first daughter, and in 1924 he was in Halifax.  Between 1828 and 1834 he was in Worksop, before returning to Shropshire by 1836.  Liverpool, Halifax and Worksop were all on the canal network and I can see no other connection between them. I would imagine boatmen gave their boots a hard life and there would have been a demand for bootmakers working near canals, but there seems to be little literature regarding the "ancillary" trades associated with canal working. Graham (East Sussex) -----Original Message----- I am trying to find information about my family WOOD being an ex brummy myself I am now wondering if the midland waterways were part of their lives, I have a mathias WOOD born 1811 bedford, married? 1833 st pauls bedford married 1841 tewkesbury lived? 1841 --- upton on severn he is on the census as shoemaker, but it seems to me that these events correspond to the canal boat system trying to find his parents who I believe are John WOOD and mary, are there records of families working narrow boats, any tips gratefully received aileen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CANAL-PEOPLE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings listers I have just seen Aileen's posting regarding her WOOD ancestor and I have a similar situation with one of my ancestors John JONES, born in Wellington, Shropshire about 1789. He was also a Shoe/Bootmaker. Between 1820 and 1822 he was in Liverpool where he married, and baptized his first daughter, and in 1924 he was in Halifax. Between 1828 and 1834 he was in Worksop, before returning to Shropshire by 1836. Liverpool, Halifax and Worksop were all on the canal network and I can see no other connection between them. I would imagine boatmen gave their boots a hard life and there would have been a demand for bootmakers working near canals, but there seems to be little literature regarding the "ancillary" trades associated with canal working. Graham (East Sussex) -----Original Message----- I am trying to find information about my family WOOD being an ex brummy myself I am now wondering if the midland waterways were part of their lives, I have a mathias WOOD born 1811 bedford, married? 1833 st pauls bedford married 1841 tewkesbury lived? 1841 --- upton on severn he is on the census as shoemaker, but it seems to me that these events correspond to the canal boat system trying to find his parents who I believe are John WOOD and mary, are there records of families working narrow boats, any tips gratefully received aileen

Hello to the list I am trying to find information about my family WOOD being an ex brummy myself I am now wondering if the midland waterways were part of their lives, I have a mathias WOOD born 1811 bedford, married  1833 st pauls bedford married 1841 tewkesbury lived  1841 --- upton on severn he is on the census as shoemaker, but it seems to me that these events correspond to the canal boat system trying to find his parents who I believe are John WOOD and mary, are there records of families working narrow boats, any tips gratefully received aileen

"My Lydell (Lloyd*ll various spellings) were in and around the same time, also involved with gravel distribution. Some of these folks ended up as economic migrants to Australia." K Venn Now that's interesting. I've always wondered where the gravel went as they were at it for quite some years. Railway ballast, construction ? Have you any ideas? My emigrant ancestor was John Thomas SMEDLEY from Sawley who arrived in NSW in 1889. It was the three Thomas SMEDLEYs before him who were boatmen, fishermen and gravel contactors in Sawley. I can't remember seeing any Lydell etc. connections unfortunately. Regards, Darryl Sydney, Australia