There are two follow up postings on the Cumberland list from a lister in Brisbane. as follows:- "Cave was transported to Sydney but ended up in New Zealand where he died in 1870. There are a few websites with references including listing of his 6 marriages... though no hint of the story behind the first 3 ..." and "I guess he was just the marrying kind ... I found a few websites by googling for "Charles Samuel Cave" - most hits are for "our" Samuel :) - several list these six marriages though the English ones are incorrectly listed as NZ: 1814 Mary Nicholls 1820 Charlotte Bingham 1821 Sarah Kent 1824 Mary Cape 1825 Susannah Dockerall (in Sydney, a fellow convict, died 1852 NZ) 1852 Elizabeth Hughes (NZ) According to these pages, Samuel as he was known was farming, and also still working as a cooper, in the NZ whaling industry. One page mentions a court case in 1842 where he sold nine casks of oil not belonging to him - which seems in character. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nzbound/whaler.htm" --------------- Carol At least he does seem to have stayed with Susannah for 27 years or so..."