Hi Listers, Is there anyone reading this with ties to the William Catmull family of Graveley, Toseland area? One person said he married Ann Betts of Graveley about 1818 or before but I can't source that marriage. from the following site I found an Ann Catmull http://www.cfhs.org.uk/BurialIndex/ 1826 CATMALL Ann 28 Toseland ----- Graveley Is there a way to know what film that was? Thanks, S. Shaw

The burial of Ann Catmall age 28 of Toseland was at Graveley on 26 Mar 1826, per the Graveley PR transcript. There's a baptism of Ann Betts at Graveley on 10 Oct 1798 the dau of Mr Wm and Mary. Frances Swetman of Yelling Hunts whose first husband was William Betts of Boxworth Cambs (marr 3 Feb 1725/6 at Huntingdon St Mary & St Benedict) and who had 4 children by him in Graveley, was my 6xg grandmother via her second marriage to Thomas Revell of Yelling. These were the first Betts records in Graveley so it is likely that Ann descended from William and Frances. As usual when someone emigrated to Utah there is the usual collection of inaccurate member submissions on the IGI relating to the family. The marriage does not appear in Graveley parish register. Unfortunately Toseland is in Hunts but the marriage is not in the Hunts Marriage Index either. It would be worth checking Boyds Marriage Index which just about fully covers Cambs up to 1837 to see if they married elsewhere in Cambs which is not on the IGI. Regards David Sharon <[email protected]> a écrit : Hi Listers, Is there anyone reading this with ties to the William Catmull family of Graveley, Toseland area? One person said he married Ann Betts of Graveley about 1818 or before but I can't source that marriage. from the following site I found an Ann Catmull http://www.cfhs.org.uk/BurialIndex/ 1826 CATMALL Ann 28 Toseland ----- Graveley Is there a way to know what film that was? Thanks, S. Shaw ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses à toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expériences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Réponses.

Pallot's Marriage Index has these entries: Betts, Ann (minor) s cons Wm B father = Catmull, William Davis (Wavenden co: Bucks) b Lic at St Andrews Holborn 1824 Catmull, William Davis (Wavenden , Co. Bucks) b = Betts, Ann s (Minor) consent of Wm B. father at St Andrews Holborn 1824 Lic The lower case b and s mean bachelor and spinster Lic means By Licence (rather than by banns) Is the marriage you are looking for? Well, it seems rather a coincidence that there's a baptism for a William Betts CATMULL in Wavendon, Bucks on 3 June 1816 with parents David and Ann CATMULL and that this same William Betts CATMULL shows up in the 1851 census as being born in St Neots, Hunts. Incidentally he has with him wife Jane and sons William, Leonard, and James. Now this is the only reference I can find to a David CATMULL so is the father here really William Davis rather than David? And apart from the obvious link there's another link which is the names of William Betts CATMULL's children. William Davis and Ann CATMULL supposedly had a son called Leonard Walter (or Wallace) CATMULL which was not exactly a common name in those days. William and Jane had Leonard Wallace CATMULL in 1849 and James Walter CATMULL in 1850. My money is on the Holborn marriage being the one you are after. Maybe you need someone to check out the whole entry (or even better get the Licence) to see if this is the right couple? Paula ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 7:55 AM Subject: [ENG-CAMS] RE : William Catmull > The burial of Ann Catmall age 28 of Toseland was at Graveley on 26 Mar > 1826, per the Graveley PR transcript. There's a baptism of Ann Betts at > Graveley on 10 Oct 1798 the dau of Mr Wm and Mary. > > Frances Swetman of Yelling Hunts whose first husband was William Betts of > Boxworth Cambs (marr 3 Feb 1725/6 at Huntingdon St Mary & St Benedict) and > who had 4 children by him in Graveley, was my 6xg grandmother via her > second marriage to Thomas Revell of Yelling. These were the first Betts > records in Graveley so it is likely that Ann descended from William and > Frances. > > As usual when someone emigrated to Utah there is the usual collection of > inaccurate member submissions on the IGI relating to the family. The > marriage does not appear in Graveley parish register. Unfortunately > Toseland is in Hunts but the marriage is not in the Hunts Marriage Index > either. It would be worth checking Boyds Marriage Index which just about > fully covers Cambs up to 1837 to see if they married elsewhere in Cambs > which is not on the IGI. > > Regards > > David > > Sharon <[email protected]> a écrit : Hi Listers, > Is there anyone reading this with ties to the William Catmull family of > Graveley, Toseland area? > > One person said he married Ann Betts of Graveley about 1818 or before but > I can't source that marriage. > > from the following site I found an Ann Catmull > http://www.cfhs.org.uk/BurialIndex/ > 1826 CATMALL Ann 28 Toseland ----- Graveley > Is there a way to know what film that was? > > Thanks, S. Shaw > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses à toutes vos questions > ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expériences des > internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Réponses. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/710 - Release Date: 04/03/2007 > 13:58 > >

Hi Paula The bit I don't like about the 1824 marriage is that Ann was a minor. If (and perhaps it's a big IF) it was Ann Betts who married William Catmull and it was her who was buried in 1826 she would have been 26 in 1824, which fits with the 1798 baptism. And there's a marriage of William Catmule to Ann Bradley in Toseland in 1827 (but William is not described as widower in the Marriage Index). It appears that a son of this couple emigrated to Utah, but there is so much garbage, and I use the word carefully, about him on the IGI that it's difficult to sort the wheat from the chaff. Sharon, do you know if William and Ann (Betts) had children? What's your connection to Ann Betts/Catmull? Regards David Paula Patterson <[email protected]> a écrit : Pallot's Marriage Index has these entries: Betts, Ann (minor) s cons Wm B father = Catmull, William Davis (Wavenden co: Bucks) b Lic at St Andrews Holborn 1824 Catmull, William Davis (Wavenden , Co. Bucks) b = Betts, Ann s (Minor) consent of Wm B. father at St Andrews Holborn 1824 Lic The lower case b and s mean bachelor and spinster Lic means By Licence (rather than by banns) Is the marriage you are looking for? Well, it seems rather a coincidence that there's a baptism for a William Betts CATMULL in Wavendon, Bucks on 3 June 1816 with parents David and Ann CATMULL and that this same William Betts CATMULL shows up in the 1851 census as being born in St Neots, Hunts. Incidentally he has with him wife Jane and sons William, Leonard, and James. Now this is the only reference I can find to a David CATMULL so is the father here really William Davis rather than David? And apart from the obvious link there's another link which is the names of William Betts CATMULL's children. William Davis and Ann CATMULL supposedly had a son called Leonard Walter (or Wallace) CATMULL which was not exactly a common name in those days. William and Jane had Leonard Wallace CATMULL in 1849 and James Walter CATMULL in 1850. My money is on the Holborn marriage being the one you are after. Maybe you need someone to check out the whole entry (or even better get the Licence) to see if this is the right couple? Paula ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" To: Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 7:55 AM Subject: [ENG-CAMS] RE : William Catmull > The burial of Ann Catmall age 28 of Toseland was at Graveley on 26 Mar > 1826, per the Graveley PR transcript. There's a baptism of Ann Betts at > Graveley on 10 Oct 1798 the dau of Mr Wm and Mary. > > Frances Swetman of Yelling Hunts whose first husband was William Betts of > Boxworth Cambs (marr 3 Feb 1725/6 at Huntingdon St Mary & St Benedict) and > who had 4 children by him in Graveley, was my 6xg grandmother via her > second marriage to Thomas Revell of Yelling. These were the first Betts > records in Graveley so it is likely that Ann descended from William and > Frances. > > As usual when someone emigrated to Utah there is the usual collection of > inaccurate member submissions on the IGI relating to the family. The > marriage does not appear in Graveley parish register. Unfortunately > Toseland is in Hunts but the marriage is not in the Hunts Marriage Index > either. It would be worth checking Boyds Marriage Index which just about > fully covers Cambs up to 1837 to see if they married elsewhere in Cambs > which is not on the IGI. > > Regards > > David > > Sharon a écrit : Hi Listers, > Is there anyone reading this with ties to the William Catmull family of > Graveley, Toseland area? > > One person said he married Ann Betts of Graveley about 1818 or before but > I can't source that marriage. > > from the following site I found an Ann Catmull > http://www.cfhs.org.uk/BurialIndex/ > 1826 CATMALL Ann 28 Toseland ----- Graveley > Is there a way to know what film that was? > > Thanks, S. Shaw > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses à toutes vos questions > ! 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Hi Sharon Paula and I have been exchanging thoughts off board, and I don't think either of us can understand how anyone has shown that it was Ann Betts who was William's first wife, if indeed he had a wife before his 1827 marriage. Possibly there was some sort of documentary evidence in Utah after the Catmull emigrated. However on the assumption that he was actually married to her, she was baptised in 1798 as previously advised to you. Her parents were William Betts and Mary Blunsom who married at Buckworth, Hunts on 16 Sept 1794 (on the IGI as an extracted entry so reliable). Hunts Marriage Index adds that William was of the parish of Graveley Cambs. William was baptised on 26 Apr 1766 at Graveley son of Edward and Ann, and he was buried at Graveley on 30 June 1830 age 64 ("William Betts of Huntingdon") Edward Betts married Ann Eversden at Bourn Cambs on 1 Jan 1756 ("Edward of Graveley"). He was baptised at Graveley on 27 Jan 1734, the son of William and Frances (he was their only child who survived to adulthood). William Betts of Boxworth Cambs married Frances Swetman at Huntingdon St Mary & St Benedict on 3 Feb 1726. William was buried at Graveley on 10 Apr 1734. Frances was from Yelling, which forms a triangle of villages with Toseland and Graveley. Hope this helps Regards David Sharon <[email protected]> a écrit : Hi Listers, Is there anyone reading this with ties to the William Catmull family of Graveley, Toseland area? One person said he married Ann Betts of Graveley about 1818 or before but I can't source that marriage. from the following site I found an Ann Catmull http://www.cfhs.org.uk/BurialIndex/ 1826 CATMALL Ann 28 Toseland ----- Graveley Is there a way to know what film that was? Thanks, S. Shaw ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses à toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expériences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Réponses.