Dawn Webb wrote: > Otp = of this parish. Which only means they are there for at least three > weeks before the marriage - ie whilst the banns are being called! It may > also mean, of course, they were born and lived there all their lives, but > you certainly can't assume that. > > I note too that two children were bapt in the same year - and one child > missed out - maybe the family waited till they were a few months old - or > years even - before the baptismal ceremony. Is there by any chance a death > for the unbaptised child somewhere in there? Or perhaps she died very close > to birth and it was a private baptism that was not noted in the register at > the church. > > Dawn (Melbourne Australia) > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-cambridgeshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-cambridgeshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lynley Chapman > Sent: Sunday, 4 October 2009 6:18 PM > To: eng-cambridgeshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] Westley Waterless Parish records > > Since these were baptisms I think we can safely assume they were living in the parish at the time of the baptism :) The 'unbaptised' Ann was living with her parents in Hardwick in the 1851 census and had her place of birth as Westley. She married Charles PAPWORTH on 3 June 1851 in Hardwick. Searching for her baptism I tried all the variations I could think of for both Ann and JAGGARD over the period from mid 1820s to 1851 with no luck :( Paula

Hi Paula, I, too, had found Ann at home and then her marriage and life with Charles Papworth, via census records. I wonder if she was baptised in another parish? Her brother Benjamin Squires JAGGARD married an Ann Papworth so you would have to wonder about a family connection there between the families. Can you check for John possibly Morley JAGGARD's baptism please? I have a baptism for him in Dullingham on 16 March 1794. Mother Mary JAGGARD so I would have to suspect he was illegitimate. I found this ref on Ancestry: England and Wales Christening Records 1530-1906. No original to view sadly. Are Dullingham, Westley Waterless, Hardwick, Comberton all close together in Cambs? I must get to the library and get a map of the county back in the 1800's BTW Samuel's daughter Louisa Jane JAGGARD is my gt gt grandmother. She married John MORRISON in Brighton Sussex in 1864 and emigrated to NZ in 1865, thus beginning the family here. Many thanks once again Cheers Lynley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paula Patterson" <psycholemon@gmail.com> To: <eng-cambridgeshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] Westley Waterless Parish records > Dawn Webb wrote: >> Otp = of this parish. Which only means they are there for at least three >> weeks before the marriage - ie whilst the banns are being called! It may >> also mean, of course, they were born and lived there all their lives, but >> you certainly can't assume that. >> >> I note too that two children were bapt in the same year - and one child >> missed out - maybe the family waited till they were a few months old - or >> years even - before the baptismal ceremony. Is there by any chance a >> death >> for the unbaptised child somewhere in there? Or perhaps she died very >> close >> to birth and it was a private baptism that was not noted in the register >> at >> the church. >> >> Dawn (Melbourne Australia) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-cambridgeshire-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:eng-cambridgeshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lynley >> Chapman >> Sent: Sunday, 4 October 2009 6:18 PM >> To: eng-cambridgeshire@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] Westley Waterless Parish records >> >> > Since these were baptisms I think we can safely assume they were living > in the parish at the time of the baptism :) > > The 'unbaptised' Ann was living with her parents in Hardwick in the 1851 > census and had her place of birth as Westley. She married Charles > PAPWORTH on 3 June 1851 in Hardwick. > > Searching for her baptism I tried all the variations I could think of > for both Ann and JAGGARD over the period from mid 1820s to 1851 with no > luck :( > > Paula > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John Morley Jaggard bap 16 March 1794 baseborn of Mary Jaggard - you could research for his father on the premise that Morley was his fathers surname as this was common in 'baseborns' to use the fathers surname (see also 14 Oct 1798 Betsy Ray Jaggrad natural daughter of Elizabeth Jaggard) and Morley does not appear before in any Jaggard namings in Dullingham. V Atkinson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynley Chapman" <qdeckchapman@clear.net.nz> To: <eng-cambridgeshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] Westley Waterless Parish records > Hi Paula, > > I, too, had found Ann at home and then her marriage and life with Charles > Papworth, via census records. I wonder if she was baptised in another > parish? > Her brother Benjamin Squires JAGGARD married an Ann Papworth so you would > have to wonder about a family connection there between the families. > > Can you check for John possibly Morley JAGGARD's baptism please? I have a > baptism for him in Dullingham on 16 March 1794. Mother Mary JAGGARD so I > would have to suspect he was illegitimate. I found this ref on Ancestry: > England and Wales Christening Records 1530-1906. No original to view > sadly. > > Are Dullingham, Westley Waterless, Hardwick, Comberton all close together > in > Cambs? I must get to the library and get a map of the county back in the > 1800's > > BTW Samuel's daughter Louisa Jane JAGGARD is my gt gt grandmother. She > married John MORRISON in Brighton Sussex in 1864 and emigrated to NZ in > 1865, thus beginning the family here. > > Many thanks once again > Cheers > Lynley > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paula Patterson" <psycholemon@gmail.com> > To: <eng-cambridgeshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 9:01 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] Westley Waterless Parish records > > >> Dawn Webb wrote: >>> Otp = of this parish. Which only means they are there for at least >>> three >>> weeks before the marriage - ie whilst the banns are being called! It may >>> also mean, of course, they were born and lived there all their lives, >>> but >>> you certainly can't assume that. >>> >>> I note too that two children were bapt in the same year - and one child >>> missed out - maybe the family waited till they were a few months old - >>> or >>> years even - before the baptismal ceremony. Is there by any chance a >>> death >>> for the unbaptised child somewhere in there? Or perhaps she died very >>> close >>> to birth and it was a private baptism that was not noted in the register >>> at >>> the church. >>> >>> Dawn (Melbourne Australia) >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: eng-cambridgeshire-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:eng-cambridgeshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lynley >>> Chapman >>> Sent: Sunday, 4 October 2009 6:18 PM >>> To: eng-cambridgeshire@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] Westley Waterless Parish records >>> >>> >> Since these were baptisms I think we can safely assume they were living >> in the parish at the time of the baptism :) >> >> The 'unbaptised' Ann was living with her parents in Hardwick in the 1851 >> census and had her place of birth as Westley. She married Charles >> PAPWORTH on 3 June 1851 in Hardwick. >> >> Searching for her baptism I tried all the variations I could think of >> for both Ann and JAGGARD over the period from mid 1820s to 1851 with no >> luck :( >> >> Paula >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message