In a message dated 07/06/2009 00:32:35 GMT Daylight Time, carolyn.mccartney@btinternet.com writes: However, I would really like to find out more about Eliza's father William CLIFT who was a famous jockey who won the Epsom derby 5 times. Can anyone tell me where I might find any information on him? There's quite a bit about him in the 'Biographical Encyclopaedia of British Flat Racing' (published 1978) by Roger Mortimer, Richard Onslow, and Peter Willett, and I have scanned it to send to you off-list, Carolyn. Yours, etc. Geoffrey Woollard in Cambridgeshire. _http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/SaveOurFens/_ (http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/SaveOurFens/)