I am researching the names EMBLETON and IMBLETON in the villages of Great Abington and Linton. I am confused about the interchange from EMBLETON to IMBLETON in the period 1618 to about 1716. I have John Embleton; c. 09 Aug 1618 Great Abington, son of Richard Embleton and Jane Ward. John Embleton; c. 24 Oct 1634 Great Abington, son of John and Elizabeth Embleton; Laurence (Lawrence) Embleton; c. 01 Aug 1675 Great Abington, son of John and Alice Embleton.; Laurence married Thomasin Morley 05 Oct 1701 at Great Abington, his surname IM BLETON. (IGI Batch No.: M134011) Their first two children both christened John EMBLETON, 14 Apr 1702 and 27 Aug 1703 at Great Abington, the first John was buried 16 Apr 1702. The rest of his children were christened in Linton with the surname of Imbleton Laurence was buried 16 Oct 1750 Linton Cambridgeshire. His ninth child, Mary IMBLETON, c. 08 Jan1717 Linton; married Xenophon Hearn, 27 Jul 1742 at Ickleton, Cambridgeshire. Confused Ron Wakefield, S.E. Queensland

Hi Ron, Forgive me if I'm stating the obvious, because I don't know how experienced you are in genealogy, but have you considered that the only difference between Embleton and Imbleton in the period to which you refer may well be simply one of pronunciation? At that time most of the the inhabitants of these Cambridgeshire villages would not have been able to read or write. Even if they could, registers at the time were not signed by the parties concerned. The registers were written by the minister or a parish clerk who would write down what he heard the person say. In many cases the minister or clerk would write up the events, not as they occurred, but at the end of the month, the quarter, or even in some cases, the year. Add to that the fact that spelling in general was by no means fixed at the time and it is not surprising that we often see a large number of variants of the same name. My point is simply that there is probably nothing purposeful about the interchange of Embleton and Imbleton. On a personal note, one of my great grandmothers, whom I was lucky enough to know in person, was married in the 1880's. She could not read or write and gave her surname LODGE. The curate officiating at the marriage wrote down LARGE. Great-granny was born just across the county border from Cambridgeshire, in Suffolk, and I don't think she had a particularly 'broad' accent, but LARGE is what the curate heard. Best wishes Michael OUTLAW Shanklin, Isle of Wight. Seeking OUTLAWs anywhere. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ronwake" <ronwake@iinet.net.au> To: <ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 10:08 PM Subject: [ENG-CAMS] Embleton to Imbleton, Great Abington and Linton >I am researching the names EMBLETON and IMBLETON in the villages of Great >Abington and Linton. I am confused about the interchange from EMBLETON to >IMBLETON in the period 1618 to about 1716. > I have John Embleton; c. 09 Aug 1618 Great Abington, son of Richard > Embleton and Jane Ward. > John Embleton; c. 24 Oct 1634 Great Abington, son of John and Elizabeth > Embleton; > Laurence (Lawrence) Embleton; c. 01 Aug 1675 Great Abington, son of John > and Alice Embleton.; Laurence married Thomasin Morley 05 Oct 1701 at Great > Abington, his surname IM BLETON. (IGI Batch No.: M134011) > Their first two children both christened John EMBLETON, 14 Apr 1702 and 27 > Aug 1703 at Great Abington, the first John was buried 16 Apr 1702. > The rest of his children were christened in Linton with the surname of > Imbleton > Laurence was buried 16 Oct 1750 Linton Cambridgeshire. > His ninth child, Mary IMBLETON, c. 08 Jan1717 Linton; married Xenophon > Hearn, 27 Jul 1742 at Ickleton, Cambridgeshire. > Confused > Ron Wakefield, S.E. Queensland > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Ron & Michael. I totally agree, my Hilliers were pronounced Hellier (with a broad Dorset accent) when they moved to London the next generation of children had changed it to Hillier. Another thing of note, along the same vein........can you imagine a Dorset accent and a London enumerator at Census time. I get everything from Heller, Hellyer, Hellier, Hillier, Heeler, Heelier........The census takers had exactly the same issues. They took things down phonetically (as they sound to them) - so take this into account when checking census data as well....... Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > Hi Ron, > > Forgive me if I'm stating the obvious, because I don't know how > experienced > you are in genealogy, but have you considered that the only difference > between Embleton and Imbleton in the period to which you refer may well be > simply one of pronunciation? > > At that time most of the the inhabitants of these Cambridgeshire villages > would not have been able to read or write. Even if they could, registers > at > the time were not signed by the parties concerned. The registers were > written by the minister or a parish clerk who would write down what he > heard > the person say. In many cases the minister or clerk would write up the > events, not as they occurred, but at the end of the month, the quarter, or > even in some cases, the year. Add to that the fact that spelling in > general > was by no means fixed at the time and it is not surprising that we often > see > a large number of variants of the same name. > > My point is simply that there is probably nothing purposeful about the > interchange of Embleton and Imbleton. > > On a personal note, one of my great grandmothers, whom I was lucky enough > to > know in person, was married in the 1880's. She could not read or write > and > gave her surname LODGE. The curate officiating at the marriage wrote down > LARGE. Great-granny was born just across the county border from > Cambridgeshire, in Suffolk, and I don't think she had a particularly > 'broad' > accent, but LARGE is what the curate heard.

It took a trip to the Cambridge Records Office for me to discover that the local pronunciuation of THEOBALDS rhymed with NIBBLES. Once I realised that I found many of my family as TIBBLES/TIBBALDS etc - especially if they moved away from Cambridgeshire. Also one branch of my Cambridgeshire/Essex LOVEDAY family was altered to LOVELY when a youngest son moved to a village about 10 miles away. His first child was baptised as LOVEDAY and the rest as LOVELY - and that is how it has remained for that branch. Paula (nee LOVEDAY) On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:08 PM, ronwake <ronwake@iinet.net.au> wrote: > I am researching the names EMBLETON and IMBLETON in the villages of Great > Abington and Linton. I am confused about the interchange from EMBLETON to > IMBLETON in the period 1618 to about 1716. > I have John Embleton; c. 09 Aug 1618 Great Abington, son of Richard > Embleton and Jane Ward. > John Embleton; c. 24 Oct 1634 Great Abington, son of John and Elizabeth > Embleton; > Laurence (Lawrence) Embleton; c. 01 Aug 1675 Great Abington, son of John > and Alice Embleton.; Laurence married Thomasin Morley 05 Oct 1701 at Great > Abington, his surname IM BLETON. (IGI Batch No.: M134011) > Their first two children both christened John EMBLETON, 14 Apr 1702 and 27 > Aug 1703 at Great Abington, the first John was buried 16 Apr 1702. > The rest of his children were christened in Linton with the surname of > Imbleton > Laurence was buried 16 Oct 1750 Linton Cambridgeshire. > His ninth child, Mary IMBLETON, c. 08 Jan1717 Linton; married Xenophon > Hearn, 27 Jul 1742 at Ickleton, Cambridgeshire. > Confused > Ron Wakefield, S.E. Queensland > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Michael, Pam, Simon, Sally, Paula, Thanks for your prompt replies, and your advice. I have had the problem before. In the surname register, Embleton is a place name, But Imbleton is not registered. Looking up of freecen reveals quite a few Embleton's but only 4 Imbleton's and none in Cambridgeshire. On reflection, I only have one Imbleton in five generations so its not a problem. Thank you Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "ronwake" <ronwake@iinet.net.au> To: <ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:08 AM Subject: [ENG-CAMS] Embleton to Imbleton, Great Abington and Linton >I am researching the names EMBLETON and IMBLETON in the villages of Great >Abington and Linton. I am confused about the interchange from EMBLETON to >IMBLETON in the period 1618 to about 1716. > I have John Embleton; c. 09 Aug 1618 Great Abington, son of Richard > Embleton and Jane Ward. > John Embleton; c. 24 Oct 1634 Great Abington, son of John and Elizabeth > Embleton; > Laurence (Lawrence) Embleton; c. 01 Aug 1675 Great Abington, son of John > and Alice Embleton.; Laurence married Thomasin Morley 05 Oct 1701 at Great > Abington, his surname IM BLETON. (IGI Batch No.: M134011) > Their first two children both christened John EMBLETON, 14 Apr 1702 and 27 > Aug 1703 at Great Abington, the first John was buried 16 Apr 1702. > The rest of his children were christened in Linton with the surname of > Imbleton > Laurence was buried 16 Oct 1750 Linton Cambridgeshire. > His ninth child, Mary IMBLETON, c. 08 Jan1717 Linton; married Xenophon > Hearn, 27 Jul 1742 at Ickleton, Cambridgeshire. > Confused > Ron Wakefield, S.E. Queensland > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message