Hi Sue: The description "British Film" means that it is of a church register in Britain, not that the film is only there. I'm in the USA also and have read the film. I checked and the information I 'pulled' on LE PLA-WHALEY is the same as your first posting. I'll see if I can get something more on the LE PLA out of my database. Regards - Carol Washington State On 9/17/09, SUZANNE HILL <shill7@msn.com> wrote: > Hi list, > > I looked up the Elm parish registers available from the LDS. The years I am > interested in are available; however, I notice it shows FHL BRITISH Film > #1040578. I live in the United States. Does anyone know if I can get these > or not? > > Thanks, > Sue, Ohio

Thank you Paula, David and Julie for this info. Seems my little brick wall is still standing!! BUT I have found an article from The Times newspaper (19th March 1834) referring to a court case re the father George Alston in 1834, held in Cambridge before Mr. Baron Vaughan. Dare I ask if anyone would know who or where I might contact to look at this court case a bit closer. And get a transcript of the case? I have had a look at the Cambridgeshire FHS web page, but nothing mentioned there. Plus I have sent an email to the Cambridge Library, last week, but no reply from them yet. with regards, At 05:11 PM 14/09/2009, you wrote: >No sign of the burial of George ALSTON jnr in CFHS Burial Index >However there is the baptism of Edward Graham ALSTON in St Botolph's >Cambridge in 1832 in the CFHS Baptism Index. >Both these indices are quite comprehensive when it comes to Cambridge >parish churches. Susan, Victoria, Australia. English webpage: http://www.st.net.au/~susanp/index.html American webpage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~susanp Research: ALSTON-Suffolk/Bedford/America,post 1850, BOURCHIER-UK, post 1650, CHUDLEIGH-Devon, All, HOLTTUM-Kent,pre 1720,MARTEN-Sussex,pre 1660, OXENDEN-Kent, All.

There was a recent thread on Rootschat concerning Hannah Whaley and John Scott from Elm - http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,404171.0.html David --- En date de : Lun 14.9.09, SUZANNE HILL <shill7@msn.com> a écrit : > De: SUZANNE HILL <shill7@msn.com> > Objet: [ENG-CAMS] John & Mary (Lepla) WHALEY in Elm > À: "ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE" <ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE@rootsweb.com> > Date: Lundi 14 Septembre 2009, 12h25 > After a long absence, I have rejoined > the list and never seen it this quiet ;  ) > > Am researching the WHALEY family in Elm and hope to tie > this line to the WHALEYs in Wimblington, but for right > now---just wondering if anyone else connects to this > family? > > > > JOHN WHALEY b c 1784 married Mary LEPLA b c 1786 on 25 Feb > 1804 in Manea, Cambs > Mary died 1831 in Elm.  John Whaley may be the one who > was transported in 1840 (for sheep stealing) to Australia as > he cannot be found in 1841 census onward?  (If it is > same JOHN WHALEY, the sentence was for 10 years.) > > Their children were: > > Hannah b c1804 married Joseph SCOTT 9 Oct 1825 > > Mary b c 1806 married James BALDING 30 Oct 1827 > > Susannah b c 1809 > > Margaret b c 1810, died 1813 > > Joshua b c 1811, married Mary Ann HOLTHAM 29 July 1832, > died between 1841-1851??? > > William b c 1814, died 1826 > > Margaret b c 1816, died 1816 > > Sarah b 1817, married John POWLEY 1837, died 1 May 1883 > > John b c 1819, died 1820 > > Celia b c 1821, married David POWLEY 1839, died after 1880 > > Margaret b c 1825, married Willaim THORPE 18 Aug 1845 > > William b c 1828, married Harriett PARKINSON > > > > Would love to hear from anyone with info on this > group.  > > Thanks, > Sue > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

David, I am working with George Whaley on this family. He was the person who originally posted the query on the Cambridgeshire rootschat forum. As far as I know, he has not rec'd the GRO certificates which would (hopefully) definitely answer questions on Hannah Whaley & John Scott. Thank you for replying. Sue Ohio, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: David<mailto:david11000carca@yahoo.fr> To: eng-cambridgeshire@rootsweb.com<mailto:eng-cambridgeshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:38 AM Subject: [ENG-CAMS] Re : John & Mary (Lepla) WHALEY in Elm There was a recent thread on Rootschat concerning Hannah Whaley and John Scott from Elm - http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,404171.0.html<http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,404171.0.html> David --- En date de : Lun 14.9.09, SUZANNE HILL <shill7@msn.com<mailto:shill7@msn.com>> a écrit : > De: SUZANNE HILL <shill7@msn.com<mailto:shill7@msn.com>> > Objet: [ENG-CAMS] John & Mary (Lepla) WHALEY in Elm > À: "ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE" <ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE@rootsweb.com>> > Date: Lundi 14 Septembre 2009, 12h25 > After a long absence, I have rejoined > the list and never seen it this quiet ; ) > > Am researching the WHALEY family in Elm and hope to tie > this line to the WHALEYs in Wimblington, but for right > now---just wondering if anyone else connects to this > family? > > > > JOHN WHALEY b c 1784 married Mary LEPLA b c 1786 on 25 Feb > 1804 in Manea, Cambs > Mary died 1831 in Elm. John Whaley may be the one who > was transported in 1840 (for sheep stealing) to Australia as > he cannot be found in 1841 census onward? (If it is > same JOHN WHALEY, the sentence was for 10 years.) > > Their children were: > > Hannah b c1804 married Joseph SCOTT 9 Oct 1825 > > Mary b c 1806 married James BALDING 30 Oct 1827 > > Susannah b c 1809 > > Margaret b c 1810, died 1813 > > Joshua b c 1811, married Mary Ann HOLTHAM 29 July 1832, > died between 1841-1851??? > > William b c 1814, died 1826 > > Margaret b c 1816, died 1816 > > Sarah b 1817, married John POWLEY 1837, died 1 May 1883 > > John b c 1819, died 1820 > > Celia b c 1821, married David POWLEY 1839, died after 1880 > > Margaret b c 1825, married Willaim THORPE 18 Aug 1845 > > William b c 1828, married Harriett PARKINSON > > > > Would love to hear from anyone with info on this > group. > > Thanks, > Sue > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Susanne: Regarding your WHALEY - LE PLA family in Elm - I connect with the LE PLA part of that and believe they are in my database but it is past my turning off the computer time so I'll be in touch tomorrow. Thanks for writing. Regards - Carol J. Markillie Washington State, USA

Hi, I wonder if anyone has access to the Cambridge Burial records, that might do a look up for me, please? I have a George Fortescue ALSTON, born c 1830 and Chr. 1st January 1831 in Layham, Suffolk. But his family were living in Cambridge by 1832, where his brother Edward Graham ALSTON was born on 6th September 1832. I have no Chr. date for Edward. Nothing has been heard of George since this time, and I believe he died as a infant. The family were living in Dublin by October 1834. In March 1834 George's father - (also a) George ALSTON (his mother Anne) "was indicted for an assault on his son, aged 3 years and pleaded guilty". I have searched Suffolk Burial Registers, and the Census from 1841 onwards, all to no avail. This boy would have been my Great Great Uncle! Regards, Susan, Victoria, Australia. English webpage: http://www.st.net.au/~susanp/index.html American webpage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~susanp Research: ALSTON-Suffolk/Bedford/America,post 1850, BOURCHIER-UK, post 1650, CHUDLEIGH-Devon, All, HOLTTUM-Kent,pre 1720,MARTEN-Sussex,pre 1660, OXENDEN-Kent, All.

Hello Susan, The only ALSTON entry in St Botolph's register is the baptism: 27 Oct 1832 Edward Graham ALSTON son of George & Ann Charlotte Fellow-commoner of Queens' Best wishes, Julia > > I wonder if anyone has access to the Cambridge Burial records, that might > do a look up for me, please? > > I have a George Fortescue ALSTON, born c 1830 and Chr. 1st January 1831 in > Layham, Suffolk. But his family were living in Cambridge by 1832, where > his > brother Edward Graham ALSTON was born on 6th September 1832. I have no > Chr. > date for Edward. > > Nothing has been heard of George since this time, and I believe he died as > a infant. The family were living in Dublin by October 1834. > > In March 1834 George's father - (also a) George ALSTON (his mother Anne) > "was indicted for an assault on his son, aged 3 years and pleaded guilty". > > I have searched Suffolk Burial Registers, and the Census from 1841 > onwards, > all to no avail. This boy would have been my Great Great Uncle! > > Regards, > > Susan, > Victoria, Australia. > English webpage: http://www.st.net.au/~susanp/index.html > American webpage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~susanp > Research: ALSTON-Suffolk/Bedford/America,post 1850, BOURCHIER-UK, post > 1650, CHUDLEIGH-Devon, All, HOLTTUM-Kent,pre 1720,MARTEN-Sussex,pre 1660, > OXENDEN-Kent, All. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cambs FHS has a burial index 1801-37 at http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html . There's no George. Edward G's baptism was in 1832 at St Botolph Cambridge, per the baptism index on the same site David On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 3:23 AM, Susan Perrett <susanp@st.net.au> wrote: > Hi, > > I wonder if anyone has access to the Cambridge Burial records, that might > do a look up for me, please? > > I have a George Fortescue ALSTON, born c 1830 and Chr. 1st January 1831 in > Layham, Suffolk. But his family were living in Cambridge by 1832, where his > brother Edward Graham ALSTON was born on 6th September 1832. I have no Chr. > date for Edward. > > Nothing has been heard of George since this time, and I believe he died as > a infant. The family were living in Dublin by October 1834. > > In March 1834 George's father - (also a) George ALSTON (his mother Anne) > "was indicted for an assault on his son, aged 3 years and pleaded guilty". > > I have searched Suffolk Burial Registers, and the Census from 1841 onwards, > all to no avail. This boy would have been my Great Great Uncle! > > Regards, > > Susan, > Victoria, Australia. > English webpage: http://www.st.net.au/~susanp/index.html<http://www.st.net.au/%7Esusanp/index.html> > American webpage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~susanp<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Esusanp> > Research: ALSTON-Suffolk/Bedford/America,post 1850, BOURCHIER-UK, post > 1650, CHUDLEIGH-Devon, All, HOLTTUM-Kent,pre 1720,MARTEN-Sussex,pre 1660, > OXENDEN-Kent, All. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

No sign of the burial of George ALSTON jnr in CFHS Burial Index However there is the baptism of Edward Graham ALSTON in St Botolph's Cambridge in 1832 in the CFHS Baptism Index. Both these indices are quite comprehensive when it comes to Cambridge parish churches. http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html Paula

After a long absence, I have rejoined the list and never seen it this quiet ; ) Am researching the WHALEY family in Elm and hope to tie this line to the WHALEYs in Wimblington, but for right now---just wondering if anyone else connects to this family? JOHN WHALEY b c 1784 married Mary LEPLA b c 1786 on 25 Feb 1804 in Manea, Cambs Mary died 1831 in Elm. John Whaley may be the one who was transported in 1840 (for sheep stealing) to Australia as he cannot be found in 1841 census onward? (If it is same JOHN WHALEY, the sentence was for 10 years.) Their children were: Hannah b c1804 married Joseph SCOTT 9 Oct 1825 Mary b c 1806 married James BALDING 30 Oct 1827 Susannah b c 1809 Margaret b c 1810, died 1813 Joshua b c 1811, married Mary Ann HOLTHAM 29 July 1832, died between 1841-1851??? William b c 1814, died 1826 Margaret b c 1816, died 1816 Sarah b 1817, married John POWLEY 1837, died 1 May 1883 John b c 1819, died 1820 Celia b c 1821, married David POWLEY 1839, died after 1880 Margaret b c 1825, married Willaim THORPE 18 Aug 1845 William b c 1828, married Harriett PARKINSON Would love to hear from anyone with info on this group. Thanks, Sue

Hi Roger Nope not muddying the waters for me.....I just forgot to mention I Googled "43rd foot Regiment Royal Newfoundland Veterans" + records (Noting the inverted comma's) ..............and it came up with zero hits........on google that's pretty much unheard of in my book......but when I googled "43rd Foot Regiment"......that's where I got the national Archives site. Sorry guys I got carried away with all the other stuff and forgot to mention that........so what you are saying Roger makes a load of sense to me......Thanks for clarifying - methinks moi got just a little sidetracked with everything else. Cheers Pam > G'day Phil & Pam & Listers ! > > I hope that this does not muddy the waters too much, but do you realise > that > the "43rd Foot" is not the same as the Royal Newfoundland Veterans ? The > "43rd Foot" later became known as The Monmouthshire Regiment - O.K. all > the regiments in the British Army recruited from all over the place, > literally > wherever they could find somebody willing to "take the King's shilling", > so > it does not necessarily mean that he came from there ! > > If you put "43rd Foot" into Google you will get a load of 'hits' and one > on the >

Hi Phil. Well I have been doing a bit of research and using a process of elimination here...... I had a look at the 1851 census and then found three possible James Butlers on the 1841 census. AND looking these places up on google maps and as follows (1841 & google maps) James 1809 born Cherry hinton Cambs (3.9 miles from Stow Cum Quy) James 1811 born Witchford Cambs (16.4. miles from Stow Cum Quy) James 1816 born Great shelford (7.5 miles from Stow Cum Quy) So Back to the 1851 1. James born Great shelford on the 1841 census is on the 1851 census with wife Susannah - and children and seeing as your James is with Eliza and children in 1851 - this eliminates him. He is the one 1816 on 1841 census and 1814 on 1851 2. The James 1809 on the 1841 census (Cherry Hinton), 1811 on the 1851 and 1808 on the 1861 appears lodger in all instances. 3. The James 1811 on the 1841 census and 1812 on the census with Eliza Grainger nee Hornedge is the nearest date wise and the only one that seems logical as he doesn't appear on the 1861 and is not married to someone else. OK from here I went to Freebmd setting the parameters for a marriage between 1841-1851 (censuses) for james Butler to Eliza Grainger (also Granger, also Horn* - asterisk takes in anything from Horner to Hornedge/Hornidge etc) Nothing for any of them except for one 1848 September Quarter, Cambridge Registration district........Volume 14, page 5....... Ok married after first son Thomas was born....perhaps never bothered to marry, or married when he transferred to Australia or joined the 43rd foot......or any number of reasons. SO I suggest 1. Get the marriage certificate - this will tell you the fathers names if nothing else. 2. Get the parish records out next for Witchford & Stow Cum Quy...... Both Parish registers are available to order through your local LDS Family history centre for $5 . Then database all the BUTLERS......I database all my lot because they move around a lot.....want some tips on that, then holler off line. 3. I googled the 43rd Foot Regiment and apparently the records are kept at the National archives. QUESTIONS Have you 1. Searched the archives in Australia for records regarding service here? 2. Lds has the BMD's to search on fiche for Australia, Nsw Vic & SA.........Tasmania is slowly putting things online, so google for Tasmanian Archives - have you searched these? 3. The Libraries here in Oz have quite wonderful convict registers and archival stuff to do with convicts. NOTE - there is a tree on ancestry that has information on this family........yours or Not????????? If not PLEASE do your own research and use other peoples as a guide only. I hope all this helps hon. Happy hunting Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia JAMES BUTLER Born QUY, Cambridgeshire Served in 43rd Foot Regiment; Royal Newfoundland Veterans Discharged aged 30 . Royal Newfoundland Date range: 1826 - 1840 James married Eliza GRAINGER (nee Hornidge/Horridge/Hornedge) bc1819 Sheffield in Stow, 1848.

Hi again Pam (+ Phil & Listers !) Golly ! - I got it right for once - amazing ! Thanks ! And if you put "Royal Newfoundland Veterans" into 'Google' you get 2,850 hits - so there may well be something to look at there as well ? - Just on the 1st page I noticed some Irishmen and a Scotsman in that regiment, so just as likely to be a man from Cambridgeshire ! Best Wishes ! Roger. -------------------- On 9 Sep 2009, at 10:42, Pam Hillier wrote: > Hi Roger > Nope not muddying the waters for me.....I just forgot to mention I > Googled > "43rd foot Regiment Royal Newfoundland Veterans" + records (Noting the > inverted comma's) ..............and it came up with zero > hits........on > google that's pretty much unheard of in my book......but when I > googled > "43rd Foot Regiment"......that's where I got the national Archives > site. > Sorry guys I got carried away with all the other stuff and forgot > to mention > that........so what you are saying Roger makes a load of sense to > me......Thanks for clarifying - methinks moi got just a little > sidetracked > with everything else. > Cheers Pam > -------------------------- >> G'day Phil & Pam & Listers ! >> >> I hope that this does not muddy the waters too much, but do you >> realise >> that >> the "43rd Foot" is not the same as the Royal Newfoundland >> Veterans ? The >> "43rd Foot" later became known as The Monmouthshire Regiment - >> O.K. all >> the regiments in the British Army recruited from all over the place, >> literally >> wherever they could find somebody willing to "take the King's >> shilling", >> so >> it does not necessarily mean that he came from there ! >> >> If you put "43rd Foot" into Google you will get a load of 'hits' >> and one >> on the >> > >

Hi. Thought I would check in to the list again to see if anything new had surfaced. Looking for information on James BUTLER. >From the archives; JAMES BUTLER Born QUY, Cambridgeshire Served in 43rd Foot Regiment; Royal Newfoundland Veterans Discharged aged 30 . Royal Newfoundland Date range: 1826 - 1840 James married Eliza GRAINGER (nee Hornidge/Horridge/Hornedge) bc1819 Sheffield in Stow, 1848. He shows up in the 1851 census with his family and Eliza's two sons from a previous marriage to William Grainger. James came to Aus in 1852 as a "Pensioner Guard" looking after the convicts, on the Earl Dalhousie. Don't know anything about what he might have done in the 43rd Foot and don't know anything about his parents, grandparents etc. Any information would be appreciated. rgds Phil..... Qld Aus.....

G'day Phil & Pam & Listers ! I hope that this does not muddy the waters too much, but do you realise that the "43rd Foot" is not the same as the Royal Newfoundland Veterans ? The "43rd Foot" later became known as The Monmouthshire Regiment - O.K. all the regiments in the British Army recruited from all over the place, literally wherever they could find somebody willing to "take the King's shilling", so it does not necessarily mean that he came from there ! If you put "43rd Foot" into Google you will get a load of 'hits' and one on the very first page tells you that they went to Canada in 1757 and were involved in the capture of Quebec two years later; I imagine the Royal Newfoundland Veterans was some sort of "old soldier's" regiment for those who had seen quite a bit of service, but you will have to Google further to search this. I hope this helps a little ? Best Wishes ! Roger. -------------------- On 9 Sep 2009, at 06:57, Pam Hillier wrote: > Hi Phil. > Well I have been doing a bit of research and using a process of > elimination > here...... > I had a look at the 1851 census and then found three possible James > Butlers > on the 1841 census. AND looking these places up on google maps and as > follows (1841 & google maps) > James 1809 born Cherry hinton Cambs (3.9 miles from Stow Cum Quy) > James 1811 born Witchford Cambs (16.4. miles from Stow Cum Quy) > James 1816 born Great shelford (7.5 miles from Stow Cum Quy) > So Back to the 1851 > 1. James born Great shelford on the 1841 census is on the 1851 > census with > wife Susannah - and children and seeing as your James is with Eliza > and > children in 1851 - this eliminates him. He is the one 1816 on 1841 > census > and 1814 on 1851 > 2. The James 1809 on the 1841 census (Cherry Hinton), 1811 on the > 1851 and > 1808 on the 1861 appears lodger in all instances. > 3. The James 1811 on the 1841 census and 1812 on the census with Eliza > Grainger nee Hornedge is the nearest date wise and the only one > that seems > logical as he doesn't appear on the 1861 and is not married to > someone else. > > OK from here I went to Freebmd setting the parameters for a > marriage between > 1841-1851 (censuses) for james Butler to Eliza Grainger (also > Granger, also > Horn* - asterisk takes in anything from Horner to Hornedge/Hornidge > etc) > Nothing for any of them except for one 1848 September Quarter, > Cambridge > Registration district........Volume 14, page 5....... > Ok married after first son Thomas was born....perhaps never > bothered to > marry, or married when he transferred to Australia or joined the 43rd > foot......or any number of reasons. > SO I suggest > 1. Get the marriage certificate - this will tell you the fathers > names if > nothing else. > 2. Get the parish records out next for Witchford & Stow Cum Quy...... > Both Parish registers are available to order through your local LDS > Family > history centre for $5 . > Then database all the BUTLERS......I database all my lot because > they move > around a lot.....want some tips on that, then holler off line. > 3. I googled the 43rd Foot Regiment and apparently the records are > kept at > the National archives. > QUESTIONS > Have you > 1. Searched the archives in Australia for records regarding service > here? > 2. Lds has the BMD's to search on fiche for Australia, Nsw Vic & > SA.........Tasmania is slowly putting things online, so google for > Tasmanian > Archives - have you searched these? > 3. The Libraries here in Oz have quite wonderful convict registers and > archival stuff to do with convicts. > NOTE - there is a tree on ancestry that has information on this > family........yours or Not????????? > If not PLEASE do your own research and use other peoples as a guide > only. > I hope all this helps hon. > Happy hunting > Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > > > > > > > > JAMES BUTLER Born QUY, Cambridgeshire Served > in 43rd Foot Regiment; Royal Newfoundland Veterans > Discharged aged 30 . Royal Newfoundland Date range: 1826 - 1840 > James married Eliza GRAINGER (nee Hornidge/Horridge/Hornedge) bc1819 > Sheffield in Stow, 1848. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG- > CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

>>Discharged aged 30 . Royal Newfoundland Date range: 1826 - 1840 There is a James Butler bap 1810 to Thomas and Susanna at Stow cum Quy. Date matches discharge year exactly. Is this him? http://www.cfhs.org.uk/cgi-bin/baptismindex.cgi Liane

Thank you Ian, Thank you so much for your info and website, and will check it tomorrow when I have more time. We are in a DNA "T" Haplogroup, so that makes our line of Powells very rare, and most likely related to "T" Groups that match all the way to 67 markers. Our DNA group can be found by putting Powell DNA Project into your Search, and clicking on to it. Look for the T Haplogroup which is under the first Submitter. There are ll of us. You can read each family background back to the oldest ancestor by clicking on the blue underlined kit numbers. We just cannot seem to find the link where or who really was the ancestor that came to the USA, we would also like to know if they came from Ireland, Wales, or England. Know that is a lot of territory to scan, but we are so lost at looking for these people. Ran into one person in the family, and they said Upson Powell told of an Irish Heritage, so guess we are a dukes mixture. I am thanking everyone so much for any help given, and will try my best to use the info. Anyone has permission to use my email address off line. Regards, Pat in Southern Indiana USA ----- Original Message ----- From: IAN GRAHAM<mailto:idgraham@btinternet.com> To: ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:56 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] Powells in Cambridgeshire and Powelltor. I know from my own family's history that very strange things can happen in the oral transmission of (former home) placenames and origin myths, particularly once the the transitional generation are dead and an ocean lies between the ongoing line and the old country. Given you have some DNA results, you might like to look at http://www.geocities.com/thurlowons/eagdna/frame_set.html<http://www.geocities.com/thurlowons/eagdna/frame_set.html> (eagdna = East Anglia Geographic DNA project) which maintains a database and runs a 'list' like this, with some interested/informed and helpful regulars. Given it's Geocities, it might be as well to do it soon...... Ian Graham

2 other points of detail: - Stutney might be Stuntney, which is Cambs: http://www.stuntney.org.uk/history.htm - you twice give the name in the form apHowell. 'ap' is the Welsh patronymic prefix, Howell is probably the Welsh Hywel, and Powell is a common name in modern Wales. Ian G.

Hello Vicki, > I think it was Elizabeth Browne nee HUBBARD he married in 28.11.1762 - > Elizabeth married William Brown 28.10.1755 in Dullingham and he died July > 1759. Elizabeth was the daughter of John Hubbard and Anne Egerton. Thank you for that information. It gets difficult to check things when I don't have access to parish records. I will write to you regarding John Jaggard. Once again Thanks Lyn

I know from my own family's history that very strange things can happen in the oral transmission of (former home) placenames and origin myths, particularly once the the transitional generation are dead and an ocean lies between the ongoing line and the old country. Given you have some DNA results, you might like to look at http://www.geocities.com/thurlowons/eagdna/frame_set.html (eagdna = East Anglia Geographic DNA project) which maintains a database and runs a 'list' like this, with some interested/informed and helpful regulars. Given it's Geocities, it might be as well to do it soon...... Ian Graham