I just clicked on the link and it worked immediately. Kay http://www.huntsfhs.org.uk/cgi-bin/hfhsbookstall.cgi p.s. if you are copying and pasting the link, please ensure you remove the final .

Hi, Slightly off the subject, but I don't seem to be able to get in to this site. I've tried via the link sent, as well as from Google, but all I get is a message saying that the link appears to be broken. It's the same for the Cambridgeshire Fhs too. Is anyone else having problems? Regards, Sally ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:06:48 +0000 > From: david11000carca@yahoo.fr > To: eng-cambridgeshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-CAMS] Re : JOYCE family of St Ives > > Possibly the reason that no-one replied to your message on the Hunts board is that no-one who follows that list has the CDrom of St Ives baptisms. If no-one on this list is able to help, it's available from Hunts FHS at the giveaway price of £5-90, or £20-90 which includes burials and marriages, and more besides. See http://www.huntsfhs.org.uk/cgi-bin/hfhsbookstall.cgi.

Possibly the reason that no-one replied to your message on the Hunts board is that no-one who follows that list has the CDrom of St Ives baptisms. If no-one on this list is able to help, it's available from Hunts FHS at the giveaway price of £5-90, or £20-90 which includes burials and marriages, and more besides. See http://www.huntsfhs.org.uk/cgi-bin/hfhsbookstall.cgi. An alternative is to use Huntingdon Records Office research service (but buying the Cdrom baptisms is cheaper) - of course you run the risk that the children weren't baptised in St Ives, or weren't baptised at all David --- En date de : Mar 15.12.09, Jean E Hunter <jean.e.hunter26@googlemail.com> a écrit : > De: Jean E Hunter <jean.e.hunter26@googlemail.com> > Objet: [ENG-CAMS] JOYCE family of St Ives > À: ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE@rootsweb.com > Date: Mardi 15 Décembre 2009, 22h03 > Hallo, > > I have asked on the Huntingdonshire list.  No one was > able to help. > > I would be grateful if someone could please help me find > the baptismal > dates for three child of Frank and Mary Annie JOYCE of St > Ives. > > The children are Gladys Pilgrim JOYCE born in the June > quarter of > 1892, Elsie Batchelor JOYCE born in the December quarter of > 1894 and > Frank Rupert JOYCE born in the March quarter of 1897. > > -- > Jean Hunter > Kent, England > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Hallo, I have asked on the Huntingdonshire list. No one was able to help. I would be grateful if someone could please help me find the baptismal dates for three child of Frank and Mary Annie JOYCE of St Ives. The children are Gladys Pilgrim JOYCE born in the June quarter of 1892, Elsie Batchelor JOYCE born in the December quarter of 1894 and Frank Rupert JOYCE born in the March quarter of 1897. -- Jean Hunter Kent, England

Dear Gloria Hargreave, hello from Chicago USA   You asked for an opinion regarding a comment.  I am on digest so I did not check first to see if anyone else had already answered through the list, but these are my opinions - without knowing either of these people.  (I eagerly look forward to what others may uncover who are more knowledgeable with English court systems, and the "transportation to Australia" banishment often meted out to "undesireables".   "it would be a most agreeable circumstance to the university and town of Cambridge to have these females removed as soon as possible" Why would such a comment be made and recorded? Possibly because this was not the first time Elizabeth or Ann were caught shoplifting?  Or the merchants were fed-up with having been shoplifted before, and wanted to make an example of someone? (Teenagers from well-off families in the US shoplift for the thrill (adrenoline-rush) and out of boredom.  Even society matrons, whose incomes or savings have been depleted during these economic tumble, are shoplifting this Christmas in Chicago area - to "stretch their budget" (and it is usually small stuff like cosmetics).  Only the "poor" are shoplifting meat (between their legs) and other high-value groceries, and they usually steal in rings.)   Besides, while sister Elizabeth was caught with the goods, Ann did not turn her in but rather tried to interfere with the arrest ("bribe" the merchant to release her sister, or not press charges by paying for the shoplifted goods) - possibly even physically trying to free Elizabeth from being grabbed and held for the constable?   Australia was the "dumping ground" for petty thieves (male and female) during this time, and possibly for England's over population (the Industrial Age led to many rural folks flocking to cities which were not equipped to handle the influx, or not all got jobs).     They were both of previous good character.  How do you know they both were of good character before this event?  Have you found other proof?  Ann must have married well with the second husband, and became "a lady" (of good character)  and possibly hid her past "transportation" upon her return to England.  But raising 3 children before being arrested she probably was just a "working woman" (factory, washing, ...) unless her first husband earned enough to support her family.  Elizabeth may have been of a different character, and possibly unable to afford the items she picked up in the draper shop (to resell).  Again, these are guesses as to the times.  (Oliver Twist ran with a gang of thieves who lifted coin purses, stole handkerchiefs, and even clothes.  A draper was someone who sold clothes, handkerchiefs, and similar items I think.  I used to think is was someone who made draperies for windows.  One of my relatives I think was a draper.)      "Why was the university mentioned? " Not knowing Cambridge personally, but it being where my grandmother was born in the late 1800s, I think the various colleges of CU scattered around the city were "integrated" into the framework of the city at large (possibly university folks were also represented on the city's governing council).  So a reflection on the city became a reflection on the U - who would want to go to one of the university colleges if the town was "overrun with thieves"?   "Would Ann Single's husband have been employed there?" Who knows - You'd have to discover a "city directory" listing residents and occupations for the time period to be sure.  My immediate guess is possibly not - probably not a professor, but could be a "servant" for the dormitories, or a tradesman?   "The women had been charged and sentenced to 7 years transportation. The petitioners were John Mortlock, J Bissell and Richard Sill. After consideration, this was the recommendation. No mercy" You'll notice that the petitioners (Mortlock, Bissel and Sill), could possibly be other merchants whose shops had been hit by Elizabeth and/or Ann, and probably not the prosecution lawyers?  They were not the drapers in whose shop Elizabeth and Ann were caught.  So who were Mortlock, Bissel and Sill - discovering them might be a clue.   "Mary's father was Samuel Foster,  a wealthy man, and she was his only child and inherited most of his estates in England and Australia" So Mary's father was the Birmingham gentleman with whom Ann co-habitated?  Why was he deported to Australia anyway?  (I suspect that Australian "convict" records probably would provide the clues?)  Many prisoners were related as useful settlers of Australia, some made good investments I think, and thus became wealthy.  Then returned to England and bought their way into society or a good marriage? (I watched the PBS series regarding the ship that went to Australia with an all female convict load, and literally saved the colony by marrying the inmates and populating the colony with offspring - some attaining great wealth through their own efforts or investments in infrastructure (ferries, stores, ...., land).)   ----- Chicago, as it approaches the Christmas shopping season, has only "suffered" 2 inches of snow last week (mostly melted by now) and low temps (34 - 20 degrees F).  I suspect if you live near Sydney you'll be barbequing on the beach Christmas day?  We'll probably be huddling around a dinner table of turkey, cranberry sauce, sweet potatoes, and pie.  Or ethnic-inspired desserts. (My English granny made Yorkshire pudding when she hosted the family; my Norwegian-American grandmother made Julekaka when she hosted it.   Ralph from Chicago Researching DELLAR, BARRINGER, PEARCE, and related families from Cambridgeshire   --- On Sun, 12/13/09, eng-cambridgeshire-request@rootsweb.com <eng-cambridgeshire-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: From: eng-cambridgeshire-request@rootsweb.com <eng-cambridgeshire-request@rootsweb.com> Subject: ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 145 To: eng-cambridgeshire@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 2:01 AM Today's Topics:    1. Re: Court petitions (Gloria Hargreave) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:35:04 +1000 From: "Gloria Hargreave" <smith-thompson@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] Court petitions To: <ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000e01ca7b94$7f102060$0200000a@ad540cdcac0394> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1" I was wondering if any Lister would be able to tell me why a particular comment was made when considering a petition for clemency that  was put before the court. Ann Single (?nee Grey) and Elizabeth Grey had both been arrested in the  draper shop of  Hiron and Thrower. It was Grey who had the stolen goods, but Ann Single offered money to Thrower not to arrest them. The petition was for Ann Single, married with 3 children and an ellderly mother reliant on her. Her husband was John Single. The year 1806. The women had been charged and sentenced to 7 years transportation. The petitioners were John Mortlock, J Bissell and Richard Sill. After consideration, this was the recommendation. No mercy. The comment: "it would be a most agreeable circumstance to the university and town of Cambridge to have these females removed as soon as possible" Why would such a comment be made and recorded?  They were both of previous good character.   Why was the university mentioned? Would Ann Single's husband have been employed there? I'd welcome any comments. Ann went on to cohabit with a gentleman from Birmingham and had a daughter to him, Mary in 1811. The Birmingham gentleman took Ann and Mary back to England in 1818. A family bible is in the family and it is a bible dedicated to Mary by her husband John Smith (a Solicitor from Staffordshire). Mary's father was Samuel Foster,  a wealthy man, and she was his only child and inherited most of his estates in England and Australia. He also left Ann well cared for. Ann's son John also came to Australia and was a beneficiary in Samuel Foster's will. Gloria ------------------------------ To contact the ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE list administrator, send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE mailing list, send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 145 **************************************************

I was wondering if any Lister would be able to tell me why a particular comment was made when considering a petition for clemency that was put before the court. Ann Single (?nee Grey) and Elizabeth Grey had both been arrested in the draper shop of Hiron and Thrower. It was Grey who had the stolen goods, but Ann Single offered money to Thrower not to arrest them. The petition was for Ann Single, married with 3 children and an ellderly mother reliant on her. Her husband was John Single. The year 1806. The women had been charged and sentenced to 7 years transportation. The petitioners were John Mortlock, J Bissell and Richard Sill. After consideration, this was the recommendation. No mercy. The comment: "it would be a most agreeable circumstance to the university and town of Cambridge to have these females removed as soon as possible" Why would such a comment be made and recorded? They were both of previous good character. Why was the university mentioned? Would Ann Single's husband have been employed there? I'd welcome any comments. Ann went on to cohabit with a gentleman from Birmingham and had a daughter to him, Mary in 1811. The Birmingham gentleman took Ann and Mary back to England in 1818. A family bible is in the family and it is a bible dedicated to Mary by her husband John Smith (a Solicitor from Staffordshire). Mary's father was Samuel Foster, a wealthy man, and she was his only child and inherited most of his estates in England and Australia. He also left Ann well cared for. Ann's son John also came to Australia and was a beneficiary in Samuel Foster's will. Gloria

Hi www.parishregister.com has history of waterman although it is maINLY for the Docklands area of London, but might give you some insight. Bob Cotterell from this website put together a Docklands ancestors CD on waterman bindings. An email or read of the website might elicit where the records are for Ely Cheers Pam from Adelaide > > Hello all. My grgreatgrandfather was listed as a Waterman on the 1841 /51 > census. Is there a website or list that tells me about this trade. His > name was Royal/Rial Lee and he lived in Ely. Thankyou

Hello Everyone, I would like to thank everyone including Joann King for all the help on my Powells this year, and would like to wish You and Yours a Lovely Wonderful Christmas, & a Very Good New Year. Will be back on this site looking for connections to Thomas Powell, and Mary Place, that were in Amherst County, Virginia in the early 1700's. This is our line of Powells, and we need to find their parents. We think it might be a Richard Powell, but not for sure, from Suffolk or Cambridgeshire England. If any one has a direct family back this far please contact me at springerpc@msn.com<mailto:springerpc@msn.com>. Thanks again, Pat in Southern Indiana, USA springerpc@msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: eng-cambridgeshire-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:eng-cambridgeshire-request@rootsweb.com> To: eng-cambridgeshire@rootsweb.com<mailto:eng-cambridgeshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:18 AM Subject: ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 142

Kay & Dave wrote: > As e have now identified it is not on Ancestry, and I have kindly been sent > a copy, could anyone more local (than Yorkshire) who has a copy help with > the name of the Farm is it Nuttery, Norterey ??. Thanks in advance. > Kay > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:42:01 -0000 > From: "Janet Booth" <janbooth@dsl.pipex.com> > Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 141 > To: <eng-cambridgeshire@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <A642D8D38CC246EABD671C012A7CB423@JanetHP> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hello Kay, > > The 1851 census record for Thomas does not show up on Ancestry - don't know > what they have transcribed it as - but the census ref from FMP is > HO107/1764, folio 484, page 12. You should be able to look up John & > Sarah's marriage in the parish registers of Holy Trinity Ely. These have > been transcribed onto CD (1559-1881) by Cambs FHS on sale at "The Parish > Chest" website which should also enable you to look for Sarah's baptism at > the same time. > > Good luck > > Janet > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > It looks like Northney to me - and appears in several subsequent census returns with the same spelling. Paula

There's a Nornea Farm on the Middle Fen just SE of Ely. It is accessed from the A142 between Ely and Soham and can be found on an Ordnance Survey map at TL 57420 77967. John -----Original Message----- From: eng-cambridgeshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-cambridgeshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kay & Dave Sent: 09 December 2009 08:40 To: eng-cambridgeshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 142 As e have now identified it is not on Ancestry, and I have kindly been sent a copy, could anyone more local (than Yorkshire) who has a copy help with the name of the Farm is it Nuttery, Norterey ??. Thanks in advance. Kay ----------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:42:01 -0000 From: "Janet Booth" <janbooth@dsl.pipex.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 141 To: <eng-cambridgeshire@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <A642D8D38CC246EABD671C012A7CB423@JanetHP> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello Kay, The 1851 census record for Thomas does not show up on Ancestry - don't know what they have transcribed it as - but the census ref from FMP is HO107/1764, folio 484, page 12. You should be able to look up John & Sarah's marriage in the parish registers of Holy Trinity Ely. These have been transcribed onto CD (1559-1881) by Cambs FHS on sale at "The Parish Chest" website which should also enable you to look for Sarah's baptism at the same time. Good luck Janet ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As e have now identified it is not on Ancestry, and I have kindly been sent a copy, could anyone more local (than Yorkshire) who has a copy help with the name of the Farm is it Nuttery, Norterey ??. Thanks in advance. Kay ----------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:42:01 -0000 From: "Janet Booth" <janbooth@dsl.pipex.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 141 To: <eng-cambridgeshire@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <A642D8D38CC246EABD671C012A7CB423@JanetHP> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello Kay, The 1851 census record for Thomas does not show up on Ancestry - don't know what they have transcribed it as - but the census ref from FMP is HO107/1764, folio 484, page 12. You should be able to look up John & Sarah's marriage in the parish registers of Holy Trinity Ely. These have been transcribed onto CD (1559-1881) by Cambs FHS on sale at "The Parish Chest" website which should also enable you to look for Sarah's baptism at the same time. Good luck Janet

Many thanks to Paula for finding James and the two son in 1851, and sending me a copy, after extensive searching I find the reason I could not find it in Ancestry is that they do not have that page (page 12) for Stuntney in 1851, they jump from 11 to 13, so I would never have found them, I have reported the omission. Seems for 1861 though there is nothing I can do. Thanks also to Julia for some other clues. Regards Kay ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 22:41:05 +0000 From: Paula Patterson <psycholemon@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] Sarah O(a)key To: eng-cambridgeshire@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4B1D8481.1080606@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Kay & Dave wrote: > I am struggling with Sarah Okey (Oakey, Hokey, etc) she was my husband's > Great Grandmother. > > The problem is ascertaining her father, I have put copies of the relevant > certificates and census I have managed to find here: > > http://s168.photobucket.com/albums/u196/donny_gal/Sarah%20Okey/ > > In 1841, I found a Thomas Okey with two sons, Thomas aged 25 and James aged > 15, I then found a James b. 1815 in 1851 but do not believe he is the > correct one. I find Thomas snr in 1851 but both Thomas James disappear. > Sarah from both later census records, marriage and death certificate appears > to be born in 1851, and I have that BC showing James as the father, and > Elizabeth Minnett as the mother, I have found another Sarah born in 1854 and > 1856 everyone from Ely. I have found a birth of a Sarah to Thomas and Mary > Ann Cross in 1845, and a death of a Sarah in 1848, which is before the James > Sarah was born so cannot be his. Mary Ann Okey nee Cross (who married > Thomas) appears with her parents in 1851, but no children. Thomas and Mary > Ann reappear in 1871 (Sarah Okey married John Rumbelow in 1870), John and > Sarah appear on the same page as James and his family in 1871. > > The wedding certificate shows Thomas as the father, however, it is one > obtained from the local office which has been translated by the clerk there, > the accuracy of this I have found to be dubious previously, I now get my > certificates direct from the GRO which photocopy the entry onto the > certificate. I believe rightly or wrongly that James is her father and that > the older style J and the older style T are very similar and the end of the > name is not dis-similar mas to mes. > > Does anyone have anything else relating to Ely which could help, if I could > find James b, 1825 and/or Thomas b 1815 in the 1851 and/or 1861 it may help. > > Thanks > > Kay > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Fits the address shown on Sarah's birth certificate :) Census 30 March 1851: HO107 piece 1764 folio 328 page 13 Nutholt Lane, Ely James OKEY Head M 24 Ag Lab b Cambs Ely Elizabeth OKEY Wife M 23 b Cambs Ely Thomas W OKEY Son 6 Scholar b Cambs Ely Jane OKEY Daur 4 Scholar b Cambs Ely Mary OKEY Daur 7 Scholar b Cambs Ely You probably won't find records for Ely parishes in the 1861 census as I believe those books have gone missing :( Interestingly the older Thomas b ~1815 is shown in the 1851 census with a son William born around 1843. That William seems to later have a wife Alice - and a William and an Alice OAKEY were witnesses to your Sarah's marriage ! Parish records Holy Trinity, Ely: 8 September 1844 by banns James (x) OKEY of Little London bac lab minor son of Thomas lab to Elizabeth MINETT of Little London sp minor daur of John lab witnesses John OKEY Mary OKEY baptisms: 11 Dec 1826 James OKEY son of Thomas lab & Elizabeth OKEY otp 11 May 1854 James OKEY of James OKEY lab & Elizabeth of Turbotsea 23 May 1858 Harriett OKEY of James OKEY lab & Elizabeth of Little London aged 11 months 23 May 1858 James OKEY of James OKEY lab & Elizabeth of Little London aged 3 years 23 May 1858 Sarah OKEY of James OKEY lab & Elizabeth of Little London aged 6 years burials; 8 June 1854 James OKEY of Turbotsea age 1 year HTH Paula ------------------------------ To contact the ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE list administrator, send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE mailing list, send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 141 **************************************************

Hi Pat You may find something of interest in http://www.elyonline.co.uk/archives/category/ely-history/. There's a contact link on the page. Or Mike Petty, local historian, may be able to help: http://www.cambridgeshirehistory.com/MikePetty/ (email mailto:mikepetty@fenhistory.fsnet.co.uk) Hope this helps. Grahame ----- Original Message ----- From: "pat ann rose mills" <patannroses@msn.com> To: <eng-cambridgeshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:16 AM Subject: [ENG-CAMS] Watermen in Ely > > Hello all. My grgreatgrandfather was listed as a Waterman on the 1841 /51 > census. Is there a website or list that tells me about this trade. His > name was Royal/Rial Lee and he lived in Ely. Thankyou > > _________________________________________________________________ > Use Hotmail to send and receive mail from your different email accounts > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394592/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi both Page 12 is missing on Ancestry it jumps from 11 to 13 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello Kay, > > The 1851 census record for Thomas does not show up on Ancestry - don't > know > what they have transcribed it as - but the census ref from FMP is > HO107/1764, folio 484, page 12. You should be able to look up John & > Sarah's marriage in the parish registers of Holy Trinity Ely. These have > been transcribed onto CD (1559-1881) by Cambs FHS on sale at "The Parish > Chest" website which should also enable you to look for Sarah's baptism at > the same time. > > Good luck > > Janet

Hello Kay, The 1851 census record for Thomas does not show up on Ancestry - don't know what they have transcribed it as - but the census ref from FMP is HO107/1764, folio 484, page 12. You should be able to look up John & Sarah's marriage in the parish registers of Holy Trinity Ely. These have been transcribed onto CD (1559-1881) by Cambs FHS on sale at "The Parish Chest" website which should also enable you to look for Sarah's baptism at the same time. Good luck Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kay & Dave" <kayanddavesimpkins@googlemail.com> To: <eng-cambridgeshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 141 > Thank you for this, I had got in my head there was some problem with some > pages of a census, but could not remember which and where. > > Would there be church records for the Sarah Okey and John Rumbelow > marriage? > Or were they not kept once the BMD was set up in 1837? > > Could you please give me some more details for the census record you found > for Thomas and William in 1851, as I cannot seem to turn that one up in > Ancestry. > > Thanks again > Kay > >

Hello Kay, No wonder you have found problems ascertaining the parentage of your Sarah. I cannot find any trace of her on census records prior to her marriage to John RUMBELOW but that could be because Ancestry do not appear to have many records of Ely (there only appears to be one page available) on the 1861 census. I, too, have done what Paula has and traced back the William & Alice OAKEY who were witnesses at your Sarah's wedding. Obviously he does not appear in the 1861 but as Paula has found he is in the 1851 census of Stuntney with father Thomas who is shown as married but no wife present, brother John aged 2 and a visitor Eliza CROSS. I think the only way you are going to resolve this is to consult the parish registers of Ely and look at the baptisms for a Sarah O(A)KEY and her actual marriage record in the registers which should give you her father's name & profession hopefully corroborating her marriage certificate. At the moment just because William & Alice OAKEY were witnesses to Sarah's wedding I would incline towards Thomas as being your Sarah's father but the parish registers should confirm that Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kay & Dave" <kayanddavesimpkins@googlemail.com> To: <eng-cambridgeshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:06 PM Subject: [ENG-CAMS] Sarah O(a)key >I am struggling with Sarah Okey (Oakey, Hokey, etc) she was my husband's > Great Grandmother. > > The problem is ascertaining her father, I have put copies of the relevant > certificates and census I have managed to find here: > > http://s168.photobucket.com/albums/u196/donny_gal/Sarah%20Okey/ > > In 1841, I found a Thomas Okey with two sons, Thomas aged 25 and James > aged > 15, I then found a James b. 1815 in 1851 but do not believe he is the > correct one. I find Thomas snr in 1851 but both Thomas James disappear. > Sarah from both later census records, marriage and death certificate > appears > to be born in 1851, and I have that BC showing James as the father, and > Elizabeth Minnett as the mother, I have found another Sarah born in 1854 > and > 1856 everyone from Ely. I have found a birth of a Sarah to Thomas and > Mary > Ann Cross in 1845, and a death of a Sarah in 1848, which is before the > James > Sarah was born so cannot be his. Mary Ann Okey nee Cross (who married > Thomas) appears with her parents in 1851, but no children. Thomas and > Mary > Ann reappear in 1871 (Sarah Okey married John Rumbelow in 1870), John and > Sarah appear on the same page as James and his family in 1871. > > The wedding certificate shows Thomas as the father, however, it is one > obtained from the local office which has been translated by the clerk > there, > the accuracy of this I have found to be dubious previously, I now get my > certificates direct from the GRO which photocopy the entry onto the > certificate. I believe rightly or wrongly that James is her father and > that > the older style J and the older style T are very similar and the end of > the > name is not dis-similar mas to mes. > > Does anyone have anything else relating to Ely which could help, if I > could > find James b, 1825 and/or Thomas b 1815 in the 1851 and/or 1861 it may > help. > > Thanks > > Kay > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all. My grgreatgrandfather was listed as a Waterman on the 1841 /51 census. Is there a website or list that tells me about this trade. His name was Royal/Rial Lee and he lived in Ely. Thankyou _________________________________________________________________ Use Hotmail to send and receive mail from your different email accounts http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394592/direct/01/

Thank you for this, I had got in my head there was some problem with some pages of a census, but could not remember which and where. Would there be church records for the Sarah Okey and John Rumbelow marriage? Or were they not kept once the BMD was set up in 1837? Could you please give me some more details for the census record you found for Thomas and William in 1851, as I cannot seem to turn that one up in Ancestry. Thanks again Kay ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Kay & Dave wrote: > I am struggling with Sarah Okey (Oakey, Hokey, etc) she was my husband's > Great Grandmother. > > The problem is ascertaining her father, I have put copies of the relevant > certificates and census I have managed to find here: > > http://s168.photobucket.com/albums/u196/donny_gal/Sarah%20Okey/ > > In 1841, I found a Thomas Okey with two sons, Thomas aged 25 and James aged > 15, I then found a James b. 1815 in 1851 but do not believe he is the > correct one. I find Thomas snr in 1851 but both Thomas James disappear. > Sarah from both later census records, marriage and death certificate appears > to be born in 1851, and I have that BC showing James as the father, and > Elizabeth Minnett as the mother, I have found another Sarah born in 1854 and > 1856 everyone from Ely. I have found a birth of a Sarah to Thomas and Mary > Ann Cross in 1845, and a death of a Sarah in 1848, which is before the James > Sarah was born so cannot be his. Mary Ann Okey nee Cross (who married > Thomas) appears with her parents in 1851, but no children. Thomas and Mary > Ann reappear in 1871 (Sarah Okey married John Rumbelow in 1870), John and > Sarah appear on the same page as James and his family in 1871. > > The wedding certificate shows Thomas as the father, however, it is one > obtained from the local office which has been translated by the clerk there, > the accuracy of this I have found to be dubious previously, I now get my > certificates direct from the GRO which photocopy the entry onto the > certificate. I believe rightly or wrongly that James is her father and that > the older style J and the older style T are very similar and the end of the > name is not dis-similar mas to mes. > > Does anyone have anything else relating to Ely which could help, if I could > find James b, 1825 and/or Thomas b 1815 in the 1851 and/or 1861 it may help. > > Thanks > > Kay > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Fits the address shown on Sarah's birth certificate :) Census 30 March 1851: HO107 piece 1764 folio 328 page 13 Nutholt Lane, Ely James OKEY Head M 24 Ag Lab b Cambs Ely Elizabeth OKEY Wife M 23 b Cambs Ely Thomas W OKEY Son 6 Scholar b Cambs Ely Jane OKEY Daur 4 Scholar b Cambs Ely Mary OKEY Daur 7 Scholar b Cambs Ely You probably won't find records for Ely parishes in the 1861 census as I believe those books have gone missing :( Interestingly the older Thomas b ~1815 is shown in the 1851 census with a son William born around 1843. That William seems to later have a wife Alice - and a William and an Alice OAKEY were witnesses to your Sarah's marriage ! Parish records Holy Trinity, Ely: 8 September 1844 by banns James (x) OKEY of Little London bac lab minor son of Thomas lab to Elizabeth MINETT of Little London sp minor daur of John lab witnesses John OKEY Mary OKEY baptisms: 11 Dec 1826 James OKEY son of Thomas lab & Elizabeth OKEY otp 11 May 1854 James OKEY of James OKEY lab & Elizabeth of Turbotsea 23 May 1858 Harriett OKEY of James OKEY lab & Elizabeth of Little London aged 11 months 23 May 1858 James OKEY of James OKEY lab & Elizabeth of Little London aged 3 years 23 May 1858 Sarah OKEY of James OKEY lab & Elizabeth of Little London aged 6 years burials; 8 June 1854 James OKEY of Turbotsea age 1 year HTH Paula ------------------------------ To contact the ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE list administrator, send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE mailing list, send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 141 **************************************************

Kay & Dave wrote: > I am struggling with Sarah Okey (Oakey, Hokey, etc) she was my husband's > Great Grandmother. > > The problem is ascertaining her father, I have put copies of the relevant > certificates and census I have managed to find here: > > http://s168.photobucket.com/albums/u196/donny_gal/Sarah%20Okey/ > > In 1841, I found a Thomas Okey with two sons, Thomas aged 25 and James aged > 15, I then found a James b. 1815 in 1851 but do not believe he is the > correct one. I find Thomas snr in 1851 but both Thomas James disappear. > Sarah from both later census records, marriage and death certificate appears > to be born in 1851, and I have that BC showing James as the father, and > Elizabeth Minnett as the mother, I have found another Sarah born in 1854 and > 1856 everyone from Ely. I have found a birth of a Sarah to Thomas and Mary > Ann Cross in 1845, and a death of a Sarah in 1848, which is before the James > Sarah was born so cannot be his. Mary Ann Okey nee Cross (who married > Thomas) appears with her parents in 1851, but no children. Thomas and Mary > Ann reappear in 1871 (Sarah Okey married John Rumbelow in 1870), John and > Sarah appear on the same page as James and his family in 1871. > > The wedding certificate shows Thomas as the father, however, it is one > obtained from the local office which has been translated by the clerk there, > the accuracy of this I have found to be dubious previously, I now get my > certificates direct from the GRO which photocopy the entry onto the > certificate. I believe rightly or wrongly that James is her father and that > the older style J and the older style T are very similar and the end of the > name is not dis-similar mas to mes. > > Does anyone have anything else relating to Ely which could help, if I could > find James b, 1825 and/or Thomas b 1815 in the 1851 and/or 1861 it may help. > > Thanks > > Kay > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Fits the address shown on Sarah's birth certificate :) Census 30 March 1851: HO107 piece 1764 folio 328 page 13 Nutholt Lane, Ely James OKEY Head M 24 Ag Lab b Cambs Ely Elizabeth OKEY Wife M 23 b Cambs Ely Thomas W OKEY Son 6 Scholar b Cambs Ely Jane OKEY Daur 4 Scholar b Cambs Ely Mary OKEY Daur 7 Scholar b Cambs Ely You probably won't find records for Ely parishes in the 1861 census as I believe those books have gone missing :( Interestingly the older Thomas b ~1815 is shown in the 1851 census with a son William born around 1843. That William seems to later have a wife Alice - and a William and an Alice OAKEY were witnesses to your Sarah's marriage ! Parish records Holy Trinity, Ely: 8 September 1844 by banns James (x) OKEY of Little London bac lab minor son of Thomas lab to Elizabeth MINETT of Little London sp minor daur of John lab witnesses John OKEY Mary OKEY baptisms: 11 Dec 1826 James OKEY son of Thomas lab & Elizabeth OKEY otp 11 May 1854 James OKEY of James OKEY lab & Elizabeth of Turbotsea 23 May 1858 Harriett OKEY of James OKEY lab & Elizabeth of Little London aged 11 months 23 May 1858 James OKEY of James OKEY lab & Elizabeth of Little London aged 3 years 23 May 1858 Sarah OKEY of James OKEY lab & Elizabeth of Little London aged 6 years burials; 8 June 1854 James OKEY of Turbotsea age 1 year HTH Paula

I am struggling with Sarah Okey (Oakey, Hokey, etc) she was my husband's Great Grandmother. The problem is ascertaining her father, I have put copies of the relevant certificates and census I have managed to find here: http://s168.photobucket.com/albums/u196/donny_gal/Sarah%20Okey/ In 1841, I found a Thomas Okey with two sons, Thomas aged 25 and James aged 15, I then found a James b. 1815 in 1851 but do not believe he is the correct one. I find Thomas snr in 1851 but both Thomas James disappear. Sarah from both later census records, marriage and death certificate appears to be born in 1851, and I have that BC showing James as the father, and Elizabeth Minnett as the mother, I have found another Sarah born in 1854 and 1856 everyone from Ely. I have found a birth of a Sarah to Thomas and Mary Ann Cross in 1845, and a death of a Sarah in 1848, which is before the James Sarah was born so cannot be his. Mary Ann Okey nee Cross (who married Thomas) appears with her parents in 1851, but no children. Thomas and Mary Ann reappear in 1871 (Sarah Okey married John Rumbelow in 1870), John and Sarah appear on the same page as James and his family in 1871. The wedding certificate shows Thomas as the father, however, it is one obtained from the local office which has been translated by the clerk there, the accuracy of this I have found to be dubious previously, I now get my certificates direct from the GRO which photocopy the entry onto the certificate. I believe rightly or wrongly that James is her father and that the older style J and the older style T are very similar and the end of the name is not dis-similar mas to mes. Does anyone have anything else relating to Ely which could help, if I could find James b, 1825 and/or Thomas b 1815 in the 1851 and/or 1861 it may help. Thanks Kay