Thanks Sheila and Maureen for the suggestions. I think I have found John Powell Bishop's death on free BDM as Bishop John Powell 66 yrs Ely 3b 361 March 1/4 1904 so not the 72 year old from the Workhouse. Any suggestions as to where he is buried? My grans father John Bishop has his death registered in Peterborough vis. Bishop John 37 yrs Peterborough 3b 129 June 1/4 1904 Are the newspapers of the Coates & Peterborough area index? Does anyone have access to them? I am in Australia which limits my access to the internet. Dawn On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Maureen Allen <mha@stroudbridge.co.uk>wrote: > The John Bishop buried in St Andrew The Less on 28 Dec 1904, was aged 72 > years and came from the Workhouse. > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-cambridgeshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-cambridgeshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sheila > jackson > Sent: 17 February 2010 00:34 > To: ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-CAMS] john Bishops > > Hello Dawn I have looked at the Camdex site and found two John Bishops 1904 > one was in Cambridge St Andrews the Less and the other was in Ely. I think > the only way you will solve this is to get the certs. > Sheila > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

City of Ely Cemetery John Bishop Buried 16.1.1904 Died at Lynn Road, Ely St Mary B76 U (I think this is the plot number) Aged 66 Years and possibly "U" means unconformist? On 17 February 2010 11:42, dawn rayner <rayner.dm@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks Sheila and Maureen for the suggestions. > > I think I have found John Powell Bishop's death on free BDM as > > Bishop John Powell 66 yrs Ely 3b 361 March 1/4 1904 > > so not the 72 year old from the Workhouse. Any suggestions as to where he > is > buried? > > My grans father John Bishop has his death registered in Peterborough vis. > > Bishop John 37 yrs Peterborough 3b 129 June 1/4 1904 > > Are the newspapers of the Coates & Peterborough area index? Does anyone > have > access to them? > I am in Australia which limits my access to the internet. > > Dawn > > > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Maureen Allen <mha@stroudbridge.co.uk > >wrote: > > > The John Bishop buried in St Andrew The Less on 28 Dec 1904, was aged 72 > > years and came from the Workhouse. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: eng-cambridgeshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:eng-cambridgeshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sheila > > jackson > > Sent: 17 February 2010 00:34 > > To: ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [ENG-CAMS] john Bishops > > > > Hello Dawn I have looked at the Camdex site and found two John Bishops > 1904 > > one was in Cambridge St Andrews the Less and the other was in Ely. I > think > > the only way you will solve this is to get the certs. > > Sheila > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The John Bishop buried in St Andrew The Less on 28 Dec 1904, was aged 72 years and came from the Workhouse. -----Original Message----- From: eng-cambridgeshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-cambridgeshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sheila jackson Sent: 17 February 2010 00:34 To: ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-CAMS] john Bishops Hello Dawn I have looked at the Camdex site and found two John Bishops 1904 one was in Cambridge St Andrews the Less and the other was in Ely. I think the only way you will solve this is to get the certs. Sheila ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Dawn I have looked at the Camdex site and found two John Bishops 1904 one was in Cambridge St Andrews the Less and the other was in Ely. I think the only way you will solve this is to get the certs. Sheila

Hi all, I am new to this list and I am hoping someone may be able to solve my stumbling block in relation to my great grandfather. My great grandfather (John Bishop) and his father (John Powell Bishop) both appear to have died in 1904. I have found what should be the entries for their respective deaths on FreeBDM. John Bishop June 1/4 1904 and John Powell Bishop Sept 1/4 1904. I have been told John Bishop was buried on 25th April 1904 at Coates Churchyard, Cambridgeshire. I do not have the burial details for his father. John Bishop was a policeman in the Isle of Ely Constabulary. I am told he joined around October 1891. I am hoping some kind person may be able to find a newspaper report outlining his death or a funeral notice for his funeral. Family have suggested he died in hospital (possibly from pnemonia?) He had been persuing salmon poachers. I have not been able to confirm these details. Hoping someone can help. Dawn (Australia)

Hi everyone   I am new to this list and I was wondering if anyone can tell me where the Blacksmith's Forge at Harston is/was?  I am travelling to Harston on Tuesday morning and want to take a photo of it for a friend who lives in Canada.  I understand it may be in the vicinity of the High Street, but can anyone give me precise directions please?   Any information will be gratefully received.   Joyce

Hello, if you look on Camdex and put in Emma Twinn 1876 you will find the marriage Sheila

On 09/02/2010 17:39, David Barber wrote: > Hello Listers > > The IGI says James STEARN married Emma TWINN on 23 Dec 1876 in Trumpington. > Can anyone confirm this for me and provide any more details? > > Thank you. > > Dave from North Devon > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > 23rd December 1876 Trumpington, Cambridgeshire by banns James STEARN otp widower lab age 36 father: John lab m Emily (x) FREESTONE otp widow age 26 father: James TWINN lab witnesses: John HINES, Elizabeth (x) LUDMAN from FindMyPast HTH Paula

Hello Listers The IGI says James STEARN married Emma TWINN on 23 Dec 1876 in Trumpington. Can anyone confirm this for me and provide any more details? Thank you. Dave from North Devon

Hi Michael, Pam, Simon, Sally, Paula, Thanks for your prompt replies, and your advice. I have had the problem before. In the surname register, Embleton is a place name, But Imbleton is not registered. Looking up of freecen reveals quite a few Embleton's but only 4 Imbleton's and none in Cambridgeshire. On reflection, I only have one Imbleton in five generations so its not a problem. Thank you Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "ronwake" <ronwake@iinet.net.au> To: <ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:08 AM Subject: [ENG-CAMS] Embleton to Imbleton, Great Abington and Linton >I am researching the names EMBLETON and IMBLETON in the villages of Great >Abington and Linton. I am confused about the interchange from EMBLETON to >IMBLETON in the period 1618 to about 1716. > I have John Embleton; c. 09 Aug 1618 Great Abington, son of Richard > Embleton and Jane Ward. > John Embleton; c. 24 Oct 1634 Great Abington, son of John and Elizabeth > Embleton; > Laurence (Lawrence) Embleton; c. 01 Aug 1675 Great Abington, son of John > and Alice Embleton.; Laurence married Thomasin Morley 05 Oct 1701 at Great > Abington, his surname IM BLETON. (IGI Batch No.: M134011) > Their first two children both christened John EMBLETON, 14 Apr 1702 and 27 > Aug 1703 at Great Abington, the first John was buried 16 Apr 1702. > The rest of his children were christened in Linton with the surname of > Imbleton > Laurence was buried 16 Oct 1750 Linton Cambridgeshire. > His ninth child, Mary IMBLETON, c. 08 Jan1717 Linton; married Xenophon > Hearn, 27 Jul 1742 at Ickleton, Cambridgeshire. > Confused > Ron Wakefield, S.E. Queensland > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello ALL, I am descended from the Seymours/Seamers/etc of Cambridgeshire. I can verify links to Stretham ,Pymoor,Downham,Wisbech. I BELIEVE that most of this tribe who existed in the 1600s and 1700s had similar origins ,given that many branches used same or similar FIRST names. If there is anyone in the Fens District who is interested in finding a LOST rellie.,I will be visiting the area in May 2010. I live in Brisbane Australia--- because my Ggfthr emigrated to this place in 1853. He, Richard and wife Ann nee TAYLOR, married 1852 in Downham and ended up in Ipswich Queensland. please email me if you are interested. stanseymour@hotmail.com I hear you have lots of "global warming" over there.We wouldn't mind a bit of that over here at the moment. Cheers Stan

Interesting... I have a number of LOVELY people from Whaddon in my tree but I failed to find the more recent parts of the family. Perhaps I have been too restrictive in my searches. My personal surname problem is my mother-in-law who was a DISBREY; family members use DISBREY, DISBAROW, DISBORA, DISBORO, DISBROW, DISBURY, DESBERY, DESBOROUGH and other variants, often the same person. As a simple matter of fact, how should I record these variations in a GEDCOM file? ==John ffitch

Hi All I am wondering if anyone could help me find the death dates of two of my family. I'm currently working on the brothers and sisters of my great-grandfather Tom REYNOLDS, who was born in Duxford in 1878. he had 8 brothers and sisters, 5 of whom were still alive by the time of the 1911 census. The three who died were his brother Alfred (born in Duxford in 1864, and died in 1907 in Royston, Hertfordshire), and his sisters Emily (born in Ickleton in 1868) and Ann (born in Ickleton in 1870). These are the two for whom I cannot find the deaths. They were both alive in 1881, when the family was back living in Duxford. Thereafter, Ann drops off the census radar. Emily was still alive in 1891, when she was a servant at Trinity College Cambridge. I can't find her after that. Could she be the 26 year old Emily Reynolds who dies at Whitechapel in the east end of London in the third quarter of 1892? The age is wrong, but close. Since the only reason I know they are dead in 1911 is that their parents said so on the census form, it is entirely possible that both were alive in 1891 and 1901, but at present it is looking as if Ann died in the 1880s, and Emily in the 1890s. The family left Duxford again and moved to Dry Drayton in the mid-1890s, and neither burial is mentioned in the Dry Drayton PRs, which may narrow it down a bit, particularly Emily. If anyone has access to the Duxford PRs for 1881-1911, I'd be very interested to know if the burials are mentioned there. Thank you Simon norfolkchurches.co.uk suffolkchurches.co.uk Finding CORNELL, CORNWELL, MORTLOCK, REYNOLDS, ANABLE, STEARN, PAGE and CROSS in Cambridgeshire Finding KNOTT, WATERS, HARRELL and BOWLES in north-west Kent

Hi, It's a few years since I posted to this site but I wondered if anyone has come across members of the STRONG family around 1750. I've investigated the area in the Southern fens the 'Tydds' etc from the Lincolnshire parish records but have never looked over the county border. Can any one help? Rod S.

We plan on visiting the UK in September and while there we also plan on attending the September meeting. Can anyone suggest a local Bed & Breakfast or hotel not far from the meeting location? Thank you for your help. Regards, Eugene Clark (2099)

Hi Ron & Michael. I totally agree, my Hilliers were pronounced Hellier (with a broad Dorset accent) when they moved to London the next generation of children had changed it to Hillier. Another thing of note, along the same vein........can you imagine a Dorset accent and a London enumerator at Census time. I get everything from Heller, Hellyer, Hellier, Hillier, Heeler, Heelier........The census takers had exactly the same issues. They took things down phonetically (as they sound to them) - so take this into account when checking census data as well....... Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > Hi Ron, > > Forgive me if I'm stating the obvious, because I don't know how > experienced > you are in genealogy, but have you considered that the only difference > between Embleton and Imbleton in the period to which you refer may well be > simply one of pronunciation? > > At that time most of the the inhabitants of these Cambridgeshire villages > would not have been able to read or write. Even if they could, registers > at > the time were not signed by the parties concerned. The registers were > written by the minister or a parish clerk who would write down what he > heard > the person say. In many cases the minister or clerk would write up the > events, not as they occurred, but at the end of the month, the quarter, or > even in some cases, the year. Add to that the fact that spelling in > general > was by no means fixed at the time and it is not surprising that we often > see > a large number of variants of the same name. > > My point is simply that there is probably nothing purposeful about the > interchange of Embleton and Imbleton. > > On a personal note, one of my great grandmothers, whom I was lucky enough > to > know in person, was married in the 1880's. She could not read or write > and > gave her surname LODGE. The curate officiating at the marriage wrote down > LARGE. Great-granny was born just across the county border from > Cambridgeshire, in Suffolk, and I don't think she had a particularly > 'broad' > accent, but LARGE is what the curate heard.

It took a trip to the Cambridge Records Office for me to discover that the local pronunciuation of THEOBALDS rhymed with NIBBLES. Once I realised that I found many of my family as TIBBLES/TIBBALDS etc - especially if they moved away from Cambridgeshire. Also one branch of my Cambridgeshire/Essex LOVEDAY family was altered to LOVELY when a youngest son moved to a village about 10 miles away. His first child was baptised as LOVEDAY and the rest as LOVELY - and that is how it has remained for that branch. Paula (nee LOVEDAY) On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:08 PM, ronwake <ronwake@iinet.net.au> wrote: > I am researching the names EMBLETON and IMBLETON in the villages of Great > Abington and Linton. I am confused about the interchange from EMBLETON to > IMBLETON in the period 1618 to about 1716. > I have John Embleton; c. 09 Aug 1618 Great Abington, son of Richard > Embleton and Jane Ward. > John Embleton; c. 24 Oct 1634 Great Abington, son of John and Elizabeth > Embleton; > Laurence (Lawrence) Embleton; c. 01 Aug 1675 Great Abington, son of John > and Alice Embleton.; Laurence married Thomasin Morley 05 Oct 1701 at Great > Abington, his surname IM BLETON. (IGI Batch No.: M134011) > Their first two children both christened John EMBLETON, 14 Apr 1702 and 27 > Aug 1703 at Great Abington, the first John was buried 16 Apr 1702. > The rest of his children were christened in Linton with the surname of > Imbleton > Laurence was buried 16 Oct 1750 Linton Cambridgeshire. > His ninth child, Mary IMBLETON, c. 08 Jan1717 Linton; married Xenophon > Hearn, 27 Jul 1742 at Ickleton, Cambridgeshire. > Confused > Ron Wakefield, S.E. Queensland > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, Without wishing to labour a point, I'd like to add my tuppence (remember them? :o) ) worth... My great-great grandmother went by the splendidly descriptive surname of Manyweathers. Tracing this surname taught me a handy lesson in how to mis-spell a surname in research, with great effect. Mennyweather, Manywhether, Menewether, Moneworther - that one took some getting to grips with - Maineyweather, Meniwether, in fact, whichever way you could mangle the name usually came up with a hit. I'd got back to the mid 1700s by the time I found, what I'm assuming was the root of the surname, the good old simple Merryweather. It was even more confusing with another name in the family, and this was one that I had been warned about. My nan and I were very close. I'd shared my bedroom with her from the age of 6 until I was 14 and had badgered her over the years for all her memories of being raised part-time in Hilton. Her mother was a Starling by name, although they'd changed the name to Starnell at some point, before reverting back to Starling again. As children they'd formed the opinion that Starling just wasn't posh enough in the village and the name change had something to do with gaining a status of sorts. Sure enough, the early research showed that the name of Starnell appeared around the time of the 1881 census, with some going back to Starling by the 1891 census, while others clung to the change and died years later as Starnells, Going back further and I found a couple of entries in the Criminal Registers (including that of my great-great-great grandfather) for Starlings from Hilton that had been imprisoned for Larceny. Aha! This must be the reason for trying to shrug off a surname. It struck me as odd that it took 30 years before the mass alteration, and wasn't it a strange thing to change it to in the first place, and so I struggled on with my theories. The 'Betterment' theory was shot down quite quickly when the name of Starnell appeared in the early 1800s and again in the late 1700's. Eventually, after much googling, I looked in the OED, and therein lay the answer. A Starnel was simply a colloquial term for the bird, the Starling. Some of the parish clerks must have bee! n enthusiastic Ornithologists is all I can say... My Manyweathers came from Eltisley and Longstowe, by the way, and the Starlings look to have drifted from Huntingdon into Hilton, and I'd be very happy to hear from anyone with a connection. By the way, for those with a genealogical interest in Hilton, their website is outstanding (not least because I've made a contribution to it :o) ) with them having gathered a phenomenal amount of photographic information, some burial records, good maps and interesting documents - http://www.hilton-village.com/content/view/825/988/ Regards, Sally ---------------------------------------- > Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:36:22 +0000 > From: simon@simonknott.co.uk > To: eng-cambridgeshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] Embleton to Imbleton, Great Abington and Linton > > I agree with what Michael and Pam say. Perhaps I can add an > illustration of what might happen. My mother's maiden name was Cornwell. > The Histon registers and censuses record the family through the 19th > century variously as Cornal, Cornall, Cornell, Cornhall, Cornhill and > Cornhile. My great-great-grandparents apparently thought of themselves > as Cornell - eight of their nine children were registered at birth as > Cornell, and when they died, their deaths were registered as Cornell. > The 9th child, my great-grandfather William, was accidentally registered > in 1864 as CORNWELL, presumably a slip of the pen by the registrar. > Being illiterate himself, he took along his 'bit o paper' when he > married, and no doubt the Rector told him how to pronounce his surname > properly! He lived and died as Cornwell, but his brothers and sisters > were living and dying into the 20th century as Cornell. He moved his > family away from Histon, and so my grandfather, born in 1903 into the > first literate generation, knew no different than to call himself > Cornwell. And so Cornwell my mother's side of the family remains today! > > Simon > > > > > ronwake wrote: >> I am researching the names EMBLETON and IMBLETON in the villages of Great Abington and Linton. I am confused about the interchange from EMBLETON to IMBLETON in the period 1618 to about 1716. >> I have John Embleton; c. 09 Aug 1618 Great Abington, son of Richard Embleton and Jane Ward. >> John Embleton; c. 24 Oct 1634 Great Abington, son of John and Elizabeth Embleton; >> Laurence (Lawrence) Embleton; c. 01 Aug 1675 Great Abington, son of John and Alice Embleton.; Laurence married Thomasin Morley 05 Oct 1701 at Great Abington, his surname IM BLETON. (IGI Batch No.: M134011) >> Their first two children both christened John EMBLETON, 14 Apr 1702 and 27 Aug 1703 at Great Abington, the first John was buried 16 Apr 1702. >> The rest of his children were christened in Linton with the surname of Imbleton >> Laurence was buried 16 Oct 1750 Linton Cambridgeshire. >> His ninth child, Mary IMBLETON, c. 08 Jan1717 Linton; married Xenophon Hearn, 27 Jul 1742 at Ickleton, Cambridgeshire. >> Confused >> Ron Wakefield, S.E. Queensland >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2634 - Release Date: 01/20/10 09:12:00 >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am researching the names EMBLETON and IMBLETON in the villages of Great Abington and Linton. I am confused about the interchange from EMBLETON to IMBLETON in the period 1618 to about 1716. I have John Embleton; c. 09 Aug 1618 Great Abington, son of Richard Embleton and Jane Ward. John Embleton; c. 24 Oct 1634 Great Abington, son of John and Elizabeth Embleton; Laurence (Lawrence) Embleton; c. 01 Aug 1675 Great Abington, son of John and Alice Embleton.; Laurence married Thomasin Morley 05 Oct 1701 at Great Abington, his surname IM BLETON. (IGI Batch No.: M134011) Their first two children both christened John EMBLETON, 14 Apr 1702 and 27 Aug 1703 at Great Abington, the first John was buried 16 Apr 1702. The rest of his children were christened in Linton with the surname of Imbleton Laurence was buried 16 Oct 1750 Linton Cambridgeshire. His ninth child, Mary IMBLETON, c. 08 Jan1717 Linton; married Xenophon Hearn, 27 Jul 1742 at Ickleton, Cambridgeshire. Confused Ron Wakefield, S.E. Queensland

I agree with what Michael and Pam say. Perhaps I can add an illustration of what might happen. My mother's maiden name was Cornwell. The Histon registers and censuses record the family through the 19th century variously as Cornal, Cornall, Cornell, Cornhall, Cornhill and Cornhile. My great-great-grandparents apparently thought of themselves as Cornell - eight of their nine children were registered at birth as Cornell, and when they died, their deaths were registered as Cornell. The 9th child, my great-grandfather William, was accidentally registered in 1864 as CORNWELL, presumably a slip of the pen by the registrar. Being illiterate himself, he took along his 'bit o paper' when he married, and no doubt the Rector told him how to pronounce his surname properly! He lived and died as Cornwell, but his brothers and sisters were living and dying into the 20th century as Cornell. He moved his family away from Histon, and so my grandfather, born in 1903 into the first literate generation, knew no different than to call himself Cornwell. And so Cornwell my mother's side of the family remains today! Simon ronwake wrote: > I am researching the names EMBLETON and IMBLETON in the villages of Great Abington and Linton. I am confused about the interchange from EMBLETON to IMBLETON in the period 1618 to about 1716. > I have John Embleton; c. 09 Aug 1618 Great Abington, son of Richard Embleton and Jane Ward. > John Embleton; c. 24 Oct 1634 Great Abington, son of John and Elizabeth Embleton; > Laurence (Lawrence) Embleton; c. 01 Aug 1675 Great Abington, son of John and Alice Embleton.; Laurence married Thomasin Morley 05 Oct 1701 at Great Abington, his surname IM BLETON. (IGI Batch No.: M134011) > Their first two children both christened John EMBLETON, 14 Apr 1702 and 27 Aug 1703 at Great Abington, the first John was buried 16 Apr 1702. > The rest of his children were christened in Linton with the surname of Imbleton > Laurence was buried 16 Oct 1750 Linton Cambridgeshire. > His ninth child, Mary IMBLETON, c. 08 Jan1717 Linton; married Xenophon Hearn, 27 Jul 1742 at Ickleton, Cambridgeshire. > Confused > Ron Wakefield, S.E. Queensland > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2634 - Release Date: 01/20/10 09:12:00 > >