Oh I don't know Nivard, I signed petitions to have the 1911 come online early.......and that worked. As to costs, the LDS have put their costs up as well......from $5 per reel to $7.75 Aus, tis the sign of the times I guess...... I cannot see them putting a 100 year restriction on.......they'd lose an awful lot of genie customers. They make a mint off of us don't they? Cheers pam from Adelaide > As to an e petition, name one that has been taken notice of, they are a > complete waste of time, I do not see the Government paying the slightest > bit > of attention to the 376 names on it to date

Returning to sensible discussion about this. - The GRO are not immune to inflation or any of the events that have occured around the world in the last 7 years so it probably isn't surprising that some of the certificates are going up in price. For example, real inflation from 2003 to 2009 is about 20% so from that alone a £7 certificate should now be £8.40. And not all fees are going up which is something conveniently overlooked by some people. For example, the cost of a certificate ordered online without the reference number will actually fall from the current £10 to £9.25 and for one ordered offline without the reference number the cost will drop from £11.50 to £9.25 - The GRO has also been investing heavily in digitising their certificates and making new (and hopefully more accurate') indices than the ones we are used to seeing. One plan is to add age at death where the current index doesn't show an age at death ie the earlier death index and a spouses surname in the earlier marriage index. However the project has had serious problems (there's a surprise with a govenment department!) and the previous contractor withdrew/was dropped. The project is due to restart this year. You could argue that digitising the images and making better indices should bring costs down - and they probably will in the long run - but since the project isn't even half completed yet those savings are some way off. You could also argue that we shouldn't have to pay for the costs of a bungled project. But if we don't then who will? The UK taxpayer?? Since Government funding for all sorts of stuff has been cut back to deal with the deficits we are facing in the UK it isn't really surprising that the Govenment doesn't want to subsidise the GRO which is what it would have to do to keep the price of a certificate unchanged. It would hardly be a vote winner in the forthcoming general election now would it? So although I'll sigh heavily next time I order a certificate online I will understand why some have had to go up in price. Oh - and for those who are interested the law in England and Wales currently does not allow the actual certificate information to be made available online. Now if you want a protest I'd rather see one that gets that law changed to bring those countries in line with Scotland :) Paula

Nivard Nothing vague! Oh really? I saw no mention of the number of years. Not surprising when YOU admit you don't know what I mean. Who is arguing? The self-appointed spokesperson for increased charges it appears. Regards Alan England in York, ENGLAND. -----Original Message----- From: eng-cambridgeshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-cambridgeshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 12:20 AM To: eng-cambridgeshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] GRO Certificates - price hike Alan Nothing vague about it You suggest that there has been a change in the certificate size which means the price has risen, clearly they haven't and the last change was a drop in price in 2003 You also asked a question about Scots certs, I gave you the answer If you want to argue about it please do so off list Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello Nivard > > Do you always contradict people with vague phrases such as "for years" > when you admit that you don't know what they mean? > > Regards > > Alan England. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Alan Nothing vague about it You suggest that there has been a change in the certificate size which means the price has risen, clearly they haven't and the last change was a drop in price in 2003 You also asked a question about Scots certs, I gave you the answer If you want to argue about it please do so off list Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello Nivard > > Do you always contradict people with vague phrases such as "for years" > when you admit that you don't know what they mean? > > Regards > > Alan England.

Hello Nivard Do you always contradict people with vague phrases such as "for years" when you admit that you don't know what they mean? Regards Alan England. -----Original Message----- From: eng-cambridgeshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-cambridgeshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:22 PM To: eng-cambridgeshire@rootsweb.com; 'Dick Coleman' Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] GRO Certificates - price hike Hi Alan Sorry I haven't a clue what you mean by a reduction in certificate size , they are the same size they have been for years As to the GROS they have an altogether more sensible set up (in the main) an official certificate will cost ten pounds once you have found the index number However you can search for and download a page with the registration on for effectively £1.20 each (if you know what you are doing and can find the index reference) and all online (there are restrictions on the downloadable events those before approx 1900 are there later ones are not) You can also employ a researcher to transcribe the events which you cannot do for England & Wales , last I used that means it was about £3 per transcript Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello Chris [correct name this time I trust, sorry!] > > Permit me to observe that the equivalent of at least two price increases > have been made by the GRO in England & Wales [I do not know what GRO > Scotland charges]. These effective price increases have taken the form of > gradual reductions in the size of copy certificates issued. If that trend > continues, we'll end up with copies the size of postage stamps accompanied > by more counterfeit claims of having left charges unchanged. > > Regards > > Alan England. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Alan Sorry I haven't a clue what you mean by a reduction in certificate size , they are the same size they have been for years As to the GROS they have an altogether more sensible set up (in the main) an official certificate will cost ten pounds once you have found the index number However you can search for and download a page with the registration on for effectively £1.20 each (if you know what you are doing and can find the index reference) and all online (there are restrictions on the downloadable events those before approx 1900 are there later ones are not) You can also employ a researcher to transcribe the events which you cannot do for England & Wales , last I used that means it was about £3 per transcript Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello Chris [correct name this time I trust, sorry!] > > Permit me to observe that the equivalent of at least two price increases > have been made by the GRO in England & Wales [I do not know what GRO > Scotland charges]. These effective price increases have taken the form of > gradual reductions in the size of copy certificates issued. If that trend > continues, we'll end up with copies the size of postage stamps accompanied > by more counterfeit claims of having left charges unchanged. > > Regards > > Alan England.

Hello Chris [correct name this time I trust, sorry!] Permit me to observe that the equivalent of at least two price increases have been made by the GRO in England & Wales [I do not know what GRO Scotland charges]. These effective price increases have taken the form of gradual reductions in the size of copy certificates issued. If that trend continues, we'll end up with copies the size of postage stamps accompanied by more counterfeit claims of having left charges unchanged. Regards Alan England. -----Original Message----- From: eng-cambridgeshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-cambridgeshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dick Coleman Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 1:52 PM To: eng-cambridgeshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-CAMS] GRO Certificates - price hike Cambridge listers may be interested to see this, posted on the Hampshire list... Dear Colleagues, As you may be aware, the costs of GRO certificates will rise from £7 to £9.25 on the 6th April. Costs haven't risen for some years but an extra £2.25 on every certificate. That's a whopping 32% rise. GRO produces 2 million certificates a year, so that's 4.5 million extra profit in one swoop. 90% of applications are online now, so their work is reduced but we pay more! They are even scrapping the "checking points", so no more refunds if its not the correct certificate. Although protesting will probably fall on deaf ears, if we stay quiet, they will think they can hike the costs up whenever they want to. At least we can express how we feel about it. If you agree, please copy and paste the link below into your browser and sign the e-petition. If not, sorry to have bothered you. http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/grocertificates/. Chris History of the villages of Dorset, Hampshire and Isle of Wight http://southernlife.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Brian Permit me to observe that the equivalent of at least two price increases have been made by the GRO in England & Wales [I do not know what GRO Scotland charges]. These effective price increases have taken the form of gradual reductions in the size of copy certificates issued. If that trend continues, we'll end up with copies the size of postage stamps accompanied by more counterfeit claims of having left charges unchanged. Regards Alan England. -----Original Message----- From: eng-cambridgeshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-cambridgeshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dick Coleman Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 1:52 PM To: eng-cambridgeshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-CAMS] GRO Certificates - price hike Cambridge listers may be interested to see this, posted on the Hampshire list... Dear Colleagues, As you may be aware, the costs of GRO certificates will rise from £7 to £9.25 on the 6th April. Costs haven't risen for some years but an extra £2.25 on every certificate. That's a whopping 32% rise. GRO produces 2 million certificates a year, so that's 4.5 million extra profit in one swoop. 90% of applications are online now, so their work is reduced but we pay more! They are even scrapping the "checking points", so no more refunds if its not the correct certificate. Although protesting will probably fall on deaf ears, if we stay quiet, they will think they can hike the costs up whenever they want to. At least we can express how we feel about it. If you agree, please copy and paste the link below into your browser and sign the e-petition. If not, sorry to have bothered you. http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/grocertificates/. Chris History of the villages of Dorset, Hampshire and Isle of Wight http://southernlife.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dick I can understand your outrage to a point, however putting a little perspective into it They haven't altered the charge for some seven years and when they did it was a drop rather than a raise (when they went to online ordering) plus they included the postage to anywhere in the world (something I don't agree with) They know full well that the majority of certificates are not essential and are ordered for research purposes, they also know people will continue to pay for them As to an e petition, name one that has been taken notice of, they are a complete waste of time, I do not see the Government paying the slightest bit of attention to the 376 names on it to date Just think yourself lucky they didn't introduce the 100 restriction which was part of their plan before My thoughts have been for many years that it would be a darn sight cheaper to supply the information, by email if necessary, rather than a largely pointless piece of paper Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Cambridge listers may be interested to see this, posted on the Hampshire > list... > > Dear Colleagues, > > As you may be aware, the costs of GRO certificates will rise from £7 to > £9.25 on the 6th April. Costs haven't risen for some years but an extra > £2.25 on every certificate. That's a whopping 32% rise. GRO produces 2 > million certificates a year, so that's 4.5 million extra profit in one > swoop. 90% of applications are online now, so their work is reduced but we > pay more! They are even scrapping the "checking points", so no more > refunds > if its not the correct certificate. > > Although protesting will probably fall on deaf ears, if we stay quiet, > they > will think they can hike the costs up whenever they want to. At least we > can > express how we feel about it. If you agree, please copy and paste the link > below into your browser and sign the e-petition. If not, sorry to have > bothered you. > > http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/grocertificates/. > > > Chris > History of the villages of > Dorset, Hampshire and Isle of Wight > http://southernlife.org.uk

Cambridge listers may be interested to see this, posted on the Hampshire list... Dear Colleagues, As you may be aware, the costs of GRO certificates will rise from £7 to £9.25 on the 6th April. Costs haven't risen for some years but an extra £2.25 on every certificate. That's a whopping 32% rise. GRO produces 2 million certificates a year, so that's 4.5 million extra profit in one swoop. 90% of applications are online now, so their work is reduced but we pay more! They are even scrapping the "checking points", so no more refunds if its not the correct certificate. Although protesting will probably fall on deaf ears, if we stay quiet, they will think they can hike the costs up whenever they want to. At least we can express how we feel about it. If you agree, please copy and paste the link below into your browser and sign the e-petition. If not, sorry to have bothered you. http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/grocertificates/. Chris History of the villages of Dorset, Hampshire and Isle of Wight http://southernlife.org.uk

Hi all If you haven't already heard, St Mary's Church, Westry, March was almost completely destroyed by fire on Monday - the fire is being treated as suspicious The amount of damage is horrific - who could imagine there is enough combustible material in a church ......... For full details: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cambridgeshire/8569835.stm Regards -- Wendy Doyle Chairman & Projects Co-ordinator Cambridgeshire Family History Society

Hello I have found a Thomas Chapman married an Elizabeth Perry in Comberton in 1819. They had a daughter Rebecca on the 1841 census Hope this helps

On 16/03/2010 21:20, Julia Henderson wrote: > >> I should appreciate it very much if someone could look up in the Comberton >> parish registers the details of a marriage in 1819 or 1820. The groom was >> Thomas CHAPMAN who married Rebecca ? >> >> > This appears to be the only Thomas Chapman marriage in Comberton PR's around > the time mentioned: > 14 Sep 1819 Thomas CHAPMAN (x)& Elizabeth PARISH botp > Wit: John MATTHEWS, Sophia HUDDLESTON > > Best wishes, > Julia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Nothing in Boyd's Marriage Index either - and that covers most of Cambridgeshire for that period. 1817 Thomas CHAPMAN & Jemima DOCWRA Wendy Cambs 1818 Thomas CHAPMAN & Dorothy FABB Stow cum Quy Cambs 1819 Thomas CHAPMAN & Sarah DONCASTER Wisbech St Peter Cambs 1819 Thomas CHAPMAN & Elizabeth PARISH Comberton Cambs 1820 Thomas CHAPMAN & Bathsheba ILOTT Croydon Cambs 1820 Thomas CHAPMAN & Charlotte HARD Barrington Cambs In fact no Rebecca at all between 1815 and 1837 anywhere the Index covered........

> I should appreciate it very much if someone could look up in the Comberton > parish registers the details of a marriage in 1819 or 1820. The groom was > Thomas CHAPMAN who married Rebecca ? > This appears to be the only Thomas Chapman marriage in Comberton PR's around the time mentioned: 14 Sep 1819 Thomas CHAPMAN (x) & Elizabeth PARISH botp Wit: John MATTHEWS, Sophia HUDDLESTON Best wishes, Julia

I should appreciate it very much if someone could look up in the Comberton parish registers the details of a marriage in 1819 or 1820. The groom was Thomas CHAPMAN who married Rebecca ? Celia Perry, Ontario, Canada.

Hi Kenneth I would suggest you may have more luck if you give some names and dates There are hundreds of EDIS is the census for each year and many more in BMD I have found the shotgun approach rarely works <g> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) Hello List, I am researching the EDIS surname in Cambridgeshire. Am willing to share any information. Thanks Kenneth

Hello List, I am researching the EDIS surname in Cambridgeshire. Am willing to share any information. Thanks Kenneth

Thanks Paula, I'll spend some more time this weekend looking into this family. I have done lots of other branches but the Johnsons have always been my major stumbling block and I have kept shying away from them! I really appreciate your advice and help. Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: eng-cambridgeshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-cambridgeshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paula Patterson Sent: 13 March 2010 09:37 To: eng-cambridgeshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] FW: Newmarket prs - PORTER/JOHNSON I read the 1861 census to mean that Richard, Ann and family were lodging with William COLLIN ......... The Suffolk index is a weird one. Part of it shows up in the subscription/pay per view site FindMyPast - but not all of it. And I think you would be presuming an awful lot if you presumed Henry PORTER was the father of all 3 children born before he and Maria were married :) Paula ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I read the 1861 census to mean that Richard, Ann and family were lodging with William COLLIN ......... The Suffolk index is a weird one. Part of it shows up in the subscription/pay per view site FindMyPast - but not all of it. And I think you would be presuming an awful lot if you presumed Henry PORTER was the father of all 3 children born before he and Maria were married :) Paula

Retrying as it bounced back! -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn McCartney [mailto:carolyn.mccartney@btinternet.com] Sent: 13 March 2010 08:50 To: 'eng-cambridgeshire@rootsweb.com' Subject: RE: [ENG-CAMS] Newmarket prs - PORTER/JOHNSON Dear Paula Thank you so much for your reply. I had seen Maria and family in the 1841 census but read her age as 45 but cannot understand why I hadn't found her marriage! Would I be correct in presuming that as she had 3 children prior to marriage that they would probably all belong to Henry Porter too or is that guessing too much!? It probably is. Is the Suffolk County Baptisms List available online please? I checked google but it has not come up with anything. What I did find on Parish chest was the All Saints, Newmarket CD available to purchase so I think I am going to have to put that on my birthday list! I believe that the 1861 census is incorrect where it states Richard as lodger as I have a copy of his marriage certificate to Ann in 1851. Thank you for giving me the Collin lead. Kind regards Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: eng-cambridgeshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-cambridgeshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paula Patterson Sent: 13 March 2010 08:00 To: eng-cambridgeshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] Newmarket prs - PORTER/JOHNSON On 13/03/2010 01:29, Carolyn McCartney wrote: > Hi, > > Could anyone tell me if there are any online records available for any > Newmarket parish registers please? I am looking for the marriage of Henry > Porter to Maria (surname unknown, b abt 1795) in about 1828. I believe their > first daughter Ann was born in 1829. From the 1841 census, it appears that > Henry has died and from what I can see from freebmd, Maria and all her other > children, except Ann, have also died by 1842/4. Unfortunately I cannot buy > all the certs to confirm this but was hoping that the records might be > online somewhere. I would also like to be able to look for Henry& Maria's > births. In 1841 they are living at No 1 Shagbag, Wood Ditton. > > Ann Porter, the surviving child, married Richard Johnson on 30 Nov 1851, > Wood Ditton - my 2xg grandparents. > > If anyone can help/link with this family or perhaps point me in the right > direction, i would be most grateful. > > Carolyn > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Several diff sources (including Ancestry and the IGI) have 29 Aug 1829 All Saints Church, Newmarket - Henry PORTER to Maria COLLINS In the 1841 census - Maria and her children were living with William COLLINS age 30 AL Not born in Cambs and Henry COLLINS 15 S.A. Born in Cambs. -Maria's age was actually given as 40 not 45. Adult's ages in this census were rounded down to the nearest 5 so Maria could have been anywhere between 40 and 44 ie born between 1796 and 1801. The Suffolk County Baptisms List has: (all All Saints, Newmarket) 30 Jan 1820 Eliza COLLIN natural d of Maria COLLIN 20 Feb 1822 Henry COLLINS s of Maria COLLINS residence Wood Ditton 22 Feb 1828 Susan Sarah COLLINS natural d of Maria COLLINS 1851 census: Shag Bag, Wood Ditton William COLLIN Head U 45 Gardner (sic) b Suffolk Newmarket 1861 census: Station Road, Wood Ditton William COLLIN Head Un 56 Gardener b Suffolk, Newmarket Richard JOHNSON Lodger Mar 39 Stableman b Suffolk Bildestone Ann JOHNSON Wife Mar 30 b Cambs Newmarket & family To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message