WILLIAM CHAMBERLAIN married ANN MEADOWS at Thorny, Cambridgeshire. Dear Listers, I am looking for connections to the family of WILLIAM CHAMBERLAIN, born at Thorny, Cambridgeshire, son of WILLIAM CHAMBERLAIN & ANN MEADOWS married on 22.10.1807 at Thorny, Cambridgeshire. In the 1851 Census he is stated to have been born at Thorny, Cambs. but the only William Chamberlain I can find on IGI is born on 11.6.1808 at Gedney Hill, Lincoln and married at Waplode Drove, Lincs. to ANN NOG on 29.11.1830 at Whaplode Drove, Lincs. He continued to live at Whaplode Drove, but says he was born at Thorny, Cambridgeshire, aged 44 in 1851 Census Pleased to hear from anyone with any connections to this family for mutual interest. Kindest regards. Derek in Tasmania, Australia.

Hi Patrick I've got quite a few connections from south east Cambridgeshire and the adjoining counties. Your mention of Fitch in Helions Bumpstead in the 1840s interested me. I'm descended from Joseph and Susan Fitch whose son Robert was baptised in Hadstock, Essex on 10 October 1736. Do you have any record of Joseph in your data? Thanks for any help you can give me. Ruth -----Original Message----- From: Patrick [mailto:p1t2i3k@tesco.net] Sent: 02 May 2004 13:48 To: ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-CAMB] Renewing interests Hi Listers I am reposting my interests as its been quite a while since last time. They are:- BARTHOLOMEW. Brightwalton, Berks. 1750's BOOTH. Shoreditch/Bethnal Gn/Lambeth/Hoxton, Lnd. prior to 1895 BRYANT/BRIANT. Sophia. Shudy Camps, Cambs. early 1800's BURNETTE, Sophia. Rochester, Kent. 1822 CHALLIS. Castle Camps, Cambs. 1700's COATES. Hackney/Shoreditch, Lnd. 1800's COCKSON/COXON. Hackney/Shoreditch, Lnd. 1780's-1800's DAY, Philip. Brightwalton, Berks. 1768 ERP. Cripplegate/BethnalGn/Shoreditch/Hackney, Lnd. 1780's-1800's FITCH. Helions Bumpstead, Essex. 1740's FRENCH. Castle Camps/Shudy Camps/Bartlow, Cambs. Helions Bumpstead, Essex. Keddington, Sfk. Bethnal Gn/Hoxton/Notting Hill/Hackney/Mile End Old Town, Lnd. GRAY. Brightwalton, Berks. 1700's JENKINSON. Hoxton/ Shoreditch, Lnd. 1780's-1800's LUCUS. Shudy Camps/Castle Camps/Cambridge, Cambs. 1680's-1800's MARTIN. Shudy Camps/Horseheath/Cambridge, Cambs. Little Wratting, Sfk. 1800's MILLS. Brightwalton, Berks. 1700's O'CALLAGHAN. Patrick, Warley Barracks, Brentwood. Essex. Late 1800's POLLARD. Whitstable, Canterbury. 1700s-1800's SMITH. Helions Bumpstead, Cambs. 1700's STURDY. Shoreditch/Islington, Lnd./N Yorkshire. 1750's-1900's TAYLOR. Brightwalton, Berks/Froxfield, Wilts. 1750's-1800's UNWIN. Shoreditch/Whitechapel, Lnd. 1800's BLUNT. Northampton/Soho, Lnd. 1800's GALL. Woodbridge, Sfk. 1800's GILES, Rebecca. Ipswich, Sfk. early 1700's GOODING. Ipswich, Sfk early 1700's HYDE. St Giles, Lnd. 1800's JOHNSON. Northampton. 1720's-1850's LAMBETH. Woodbridge, Sfk. late 1700's MARCHANT. Chelsea, Lnd. 1820's-1850's MORBY. Lambeth/Westminster/St Martins/St Giles, Lnd. 1820's-1890's PEARCE. Battersea/Chelsea, Lnd. 1800's SYKES.. Ipswich/Woodbridge, Skf. 1800's WELLS. Woodbridge, Sfk. late 1700's Regards Pat ==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ====

I'm looking for any connection to John and Caroline WHYMAN shown in the 1871 census at 2 Station Road, March, with their two nieces Mary and Sarah Waller. Caroline's sister Sarah Waller possibly married a George KNIGHT in the N. Witchford area in 1871. Sarah and Caroline's maiden name was Adams,originating in Peterborough where Sarah married into my Waller family. She was widowed in 1865, and I could find no trace of her until 1891 when she shows up as Sarah Knight, widow, living in Middlesex with her married daughter. There is a possible marriage of a Sarah Waller to a George Knight in June 1/4 1871 on the Free BMD website, under the N. Witchford registration district. A volunteer checked the March marriages, and it did not take place there. Thank you. Linda.

I am researching my mother's side of the family and her mother Florence Parr was born 1887 in Burnham Overy in Norfolk. She died in Bedford in 1952/3 I know Florence's (Florrie/ Flora) mother may have died in childbirth and her father was a William who went to Sheffield after the death of his wife and died there. Now my mum Doris Parr was born in Ampthill in Beds in 1918 and she had an elder brother Francis who may have been born in Norfolk. Florence has these two children out of wedlock so we do not know the fathers of these. William was born in 1860 and married an Alice Mary Aldridge. William's parents were we think Robert Parr and Sophia ? or Florence. Robert may have drowned at sea as he was a fisherman as this is engraved on his headstone in the church yard there in Burnham Overy (I believe) Thanks in advance for any help in this matter and hope that you understand my rambling on :) Regards Eunice Goude

Thanks Estelle That has confirmed one thing, and blown another theory apart, as is usual. I was told that be Bowley name came from my Grandfathers Mother's side, but when I found her name was Hull, I spread the net wider, and looked up Smith and Bowley, and found an Elizabeth Bowley marrying a John Smith from Loughborough, who had an Edward Smith, Christened in 1850, no birth date listed, and thought I had found the Bowley link, but now there is another route to Bowley. I am learning fast with this research (which I definitely am a novice at) it is two steps forward, and at least one back. Unfortunately, due to the constant age changing of Edward in census from 1901/18921/1881/1871 and the SMITH surname, together with which Town Whaplode Drove would register in, I cannot confirm from FreeBMD which of the records are him to get his birth certificate which would lead me to his parents name for certain. I will search the Sarah Hull route further, believing her to be from the Ashby de la Zouch area. For Edward I definitely need a link to his parents. I know he was born in Whaplode Drove, between 1846-50 and that by 1871 he was working in Kirk Ella near Hull, does anyone have any census records for Whaplode Drove for 1871 to see what other SMITH's were in Whaplode Drove, or can Edward be found on an earlier census with his parents? If anyone has the time and resources to help me move on this very common name I would be very grateful. Kind Regards Kay -----Original Message----- From: Estelle Wolfers [mailto:ewolfers@btinternet.com] Sent: 04 May 2004 20:25 To: ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMB] Edward SMITH - 1881 The IGI has the following christenings for Whitwick: 18/1/1839 Emma Hull, to Thomas Bowley Hull and Ann 30/3/1836 Bowley Hull, to Thomas Bowley Hull and Ann So Bowley is a Hull family name - sounds as if you found the correct Edward to me! There's also a Sarah and Ann (both chr 1844) born to Samuel Hull and Mahala. The younger Mahala is here in 1891: Hudson, Annie E 1 Burton-upon-Trent, Staffordshire Daughter Burton Extra Staffordshire Hudson, Mahala 29 Whitwick, Leicestershire Head Burton Extra Staffordshire Hudson, William ?? Burton-upon-Trent, Staffordshire Son Burton Extra Staffordshire Hull, Elizabeth 22 Whitwick, Leicestershire Visitor Burton Extra Staffordshire Estelle (with family from both Whitwick and Burton Extra) >I am trying to trace my father's line, my grandfather was a James Bowley >Smith, and was the youngest son of Edward and Sarah. I have found the family >in 1901 and 1891 at Welches Dam, Cambridgeshire, though his aged moved from >55 in 1901 to 42 in 1891. He was an Agricultural worker and Publican, born >in Whaplode Drove, Lincolnshire. > >The family I have found in 1881 which matches best is an Edward aged 33 of >Catchcold, Lincoln, at Leicester Road, Whitwick, Leics, aged 33 as a coal >miner. > >He had 2 children at this time Elizabeth (who I think is a Charlotte >Elizabeth known as Lizzie) aged 6 and a Samuel aged 2, living with them was >a Mahala HULL, as a visitor, but Sarah was HULL before she was married so I >think this must be Sarah's sister, and this is why I believe it is that >family (probably mis-guided as ever). ==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ==== .

The IGI has the following christenings for Whitwick: 18/1/1839 Emma Hull, to Thomas Bowley Hull and Ann 30/3/1836 Bowley Hull, to Thomas Bowley Hull and Ann So Bowley is a Hull family name - sounds as if you found the correct Edward to me! There's also a Sarah and Ann (both chr 1844) born to Samuel Hull and Mahala. The younger Mahala is here in 1891: Hudson, Annie E 1 Burton-upon-Trent, Staffordshire Daughter Burton Extra Staffordshire Hudson, Mahala 29 Whitwick, Leicestershire Head Burton Extra Staffordshire Hudson, William ?? Burton-upon-Trent, Staffordshire Son Burton Extra Staffordshire Hull, Elizabeth 22 Whitwick, Leicestershire Visitor Burton Extra Staffordshire Estelle (with family from both Whitwick and Burton Extra) >I am trying to trace my father's line, my grandfather was a James Bowley >Smith, and was the youngest son of Edward and Sarah. I have found the family >in 1901 and 1891 at Welches Dam, Cambridgeshire, though his aged moved from >55 in 1901 to 42 in 1891. He was an Agricultural worker and Publican, born >in Whaplode Drove, Lincolnshire. > >The family I have found in 1881 which matches best is an Edward aged 33 of >Catchcold, Lincoln, at Leicester Road, Whitwick, Leics, aged 33 as a coal >miner. > >He had 2 children at this time Elizabeth (who I think is a Charlotte >Elizabeth known as Lizzie) aged 6 and a Samuel aged 2, living with them was >a Mahala HULL, as a visitor, but Sarah was HULL before she was married so I >think this must be Sarah's sister, and this is why I believe it is that >family (probably mis-guided as ever).

This is a personal Test Message ~ no need to reply Thank you Geoff Lewin BLAXALL [Hextable, Kent, S.E. England] NWKentFHSociety #3593 ===========================

Dear List, Searching for ancestors and parents of Sarah PYE born 1815-20 said to be Norwich. Father Thomas PYE occupation Carpenter. Any help is most appreciated. Best wishes Amanda - Sydney, NSW, Australia

On 3 May 2004, at 7:23 pm, Val Stuart wrote: > Hello Brian, > > I have an Ann Minns who married Holden Riseley in the December quarter > of > 1858 in Cambridge. > > As it is the Riseley family which is my interest, I havent yet looked > for > Ann's parents etc. > > Val > Hello Val, It's still raining and mighty cold! How nice to find a connection. Ann is the sister of Naomi Minns from Chesterton, their father was David. David's father Edward actually came from Wymondham in Norfolk marrying in Chesterton in 1800. If you'd like to contact me off list I will let you have details of the family. Best wishes Brian

Hi , I have a Herbert Minnis born 1868 and married to Emma Elizabeth Pigram 26-06-1893 at Biggleswade ,Herberts parent`s George and Maria. Any connection ???? Cheryl in Queensland ,Australia --- cheryl@clhayes.com www.clhayes.com --------- Original Message --------- >From: "B&D" <band.mereside@tiscali.co.uk> >To: <ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 4:32 PM >Subject: [ENG-CAMB] Minns connection > > >> Hi everyone from a very wet East Anglia! >> >> I would be very interested to hear from anyone with a connection to the >> Minns families of 19th century Cambridgeshire. >> >> Regards >> >> Brian >> >> >> ==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ==== >> . >> > > >==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ==== >. > > ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10

Hello Brian, I have an Ann Minns who married Holden Riseley in the December quarter of 1858 in Cambridge. As it is the Riseley family which is my interest, I havent yet looked for Ann's parents etc. Val ----- Original Message ----- From: "B&D" <band.mereside@tiscali.co.uk> To: <ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 4:32 PM Subject: [ENG-CAMB] Minns connection > Hi everyone from a very wet East Anglia! > > I would be very interested to hear from anyone with a connection to the > Minns families of 19th century Cambridgeshire. > > Regards > > Brian > > > ==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ==== > . >

I am trying to trace my father's line, my grandfather was a James Bowley Smith, and was the youngest son of Edward and Sarah. I have found the family in 1901 and 1891 at Welches Dam, Cambridgeshire, though his aged moved from 55 in 1901 to 42 in 1891. He was an Agricultural worker and Publican, born in Whaplode Drove, Lincolnshire. The family I have found in 1881 which matches best is an Edward aged 33 of Catchcold, Lincoln, at Leicester Road, Whitwick, Leics, aged 33 as a coal miner. He had 2 children at this time Elizabeth (who I think is a Charlotte Elizabeth known as Lizzie) aged 6 and a Samuel aged 2, living with them was a Mahala HULL, as a visitor, but Sarah was HULL before she was married so I think this must be Sarah's sister, and this is why I believe it is that family (probably mis-guided as ever). The problem is I cannot find Catchcold in Lincolnshire, and the FHS there does not know it either. I am wondering if it is a translation error on the Family Search pages, and if there is someone who could check it for me. Edwards's parents I believe were John Smith and Elizabeth Bowley. Any help, clues, ideas, would be very welcome with all my lines seeming to wander all over the country. Kind Regards

Hi everyone from a very wet East Anglia! I would be very interested to hear from anyone with a connection to the Minns families of 19th century Cambridgeshire. Regards Brian

where can i find my grandmothers birth record .she was born 1869 LAHORE CITY EAST INDIES i assume her father was in the army at time of birth. her name MADELINE WEBBER .i do not have a month or day of birth.i have her death certificate dated march 26 1965 at age 96. her second husband HARRY BOWLES states on death certificate COUNTY OF SOKE OF PETERBOROUGH. any help with this shall be appreciated Hubert. USA

Patrick, Would you recognise a couple William FRENCH & Ann who were living in Bromley, Middlesex in 1810? Ann is likely from this area you mention, a niece of an Ann LAGDEN (formerly AMEY) from Balsham and late of Saffron Walden. Other known relatives in Castle Camps and Bartlow. Best regards, Joao Pereira > FRENCH. Castle Camps/Shudy Camps/Bartlow, Cambs. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Joao M.F. Pereira (jpereira@ipimar.pt) Tel.: Direct + 351 213027044 Exchange + 351 213027000 FAX: + 351 213015948 Mail: INIAP/IPIMAR Av. Brasilia, s/n 1400-038 Lisboa Portugal Lab.Web.: http://ipimar-iniap.ipimar.pt/ ------------------------------------------------------------

Hello Listers, I have a WILLIAM CHAMBERLAIN married ANN MEADOWS at THORNEY, Cambs. on 22.10.1807 and they had a son WILLIAM born 11.6.1808 at Gedney Hill, Lincoln. If anyone knows of a connection to this family, pleased to hear from you. Kindest regards, Derek Hindle in Tasmania, Australia.

Dear Patrick, My Grandmother who was born in 1889 was Edith Coates. She married Walter Strawson and emigrated to Alberta Canada. Grandma's father was George Coates and from what I know so far, they lived in Cambridgeshire and returned to Lincolnshire. They lived in Swineshead in Ivy House and also had another farm residence. Does this fit with any of your family? Regards, Bev Original Message ----- From: "Patrick" <p1t2i3k@tesco.net> To: <ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 5:47 AM Subject: [ENG-CAMB] Renewing interests Hi Listers I am reposting my interests as its been quite a while since last time. They are:- BARTHOLOMEW. Brightwalton, Berks. 1750's BOOTH. Shoreditch/Bethnal Gn/Lambeth/Hoxton, Lnd. prior to 1895 BRYANT/BRIANT. Sophia. Shudy Camps, Cambs. early 1800's BURNETTE, Sophia. Rochester, Kent. 1822 CHALLIS. Castle Camps, Cambs. 1700's COATES. Hackney/Shoreditch, Lnd. 1800's COCKSON/COXON. Hackney/Shoreditch, Lnd. 1780's-1800's DAY, Philip. Brightwalton, Berks. 1768 ERP. Cripplegate/BethnalGn/Shoreditch/Hackney, Lnd. 1780's-1800's FITCH. Helions Bumpstead, Essex. 1740's FRENCH. Castle Camps/Shudy Camps/Bartlow, Cambs. Helions Bumpstead, Essex. Keddington, Sfk. Bethnal Gn/Hoxton/Notting Hill/Hackney/Mile End Old Town, Lnd. GRAY. Brightwalton, Berks. 1700's JENKINSON. Hoxton/ Shoreditch, Lnd. 1780's-1800's LUCUS. Shudy Camps/Castle Camps/Cambridge, Cambs. 1680's-1800's MARTIN. Shudy Camps/Horseheath/Cambridge, Cambs. Little Wratting, Sfk. 1800's MILLS. Brightwalton, Berks. 1700's O'CALLAGHAN. Patrick, Warley Barracks, Brentwood. Essex. Late 1800's POLLARD. Whitstable, Canterbury. 1700s-1800's SMITH. Helions Bumpstead, Cambs. 1700's STURDY. Shoreditch/Islington, Lnd./N Yorkshire. 1750's-1900's TAYLOR. Brightwalton, Berks/Froxfield, Wilts. 1750's-1800's UNWIN. Shoreditch/Whitechapel, Lnd. 1800's BLUNT. Northampton/Soho, Lnd. 1800's GALL. Woodbridge, Sfk. 1800's GILES, Rebecca. Ipswich, Sfk. early 1700's GOODING. Ipswich, Sfk early 1700's HYDE. St Giles, Lnd. 1800's JOHNSON. Northampton. 1720's-1850's LAMBETH. Woodbridge, Sfk. late 1700's MARCHANT. Chelsea, Lnd. 1820's-1850's MORBY. Lambeth/Westminster/St Martins/St Giles, Lnd. 1820's-1890's PEARCE. Battersea/Chelsea, Lnd. 1800's SYKES.. Ipswich/Woodbridge, Skf. 1800's WELLS. Woodbridge, Sfk. late 1700's Regards Pat ==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ==== .

Hi Viv Thanks for your interest. > Is it Mary ANDERSON nee HAYLOCK's parents you are trying to establish? Yes, its Mary's parents and her birth date I am particularly interested in. >If so, have you looked at the Cambridgeshire FHS website - they have searchable > indexes for the 1841 and 51 censuses, and also baptism and burial indexes > 1801-37. I confess that I have looked at the indexes but could find nothing concrete, it seems one of those lines that seem impossible to prove as they move about, do not register their children and generally cause me lots of fuss !! If you check HAYLOCKs in West Wratting you'll see there was a > Dorothy HAYLOCK in 1841 aged 60 (bearing in mind that ages were usually > rounded down in 1841). If you then check the baptism indexes you'll find > one for a Mary HAYLOCK aged 2 in 1809, daughter of Edward and Dorothy > HAYLOCK, in West Wratting. (There was also an 75 yr old Edward alive in > W.Wratting in 1841.) The Dorothy is actually Dorothea and I have tracked this family for some years and been in contact with a descendent of theirs, Jean Wright, there is a possible Mary but she is mentioned in her fathers will in 1846 as a Mary HAYLOCK. > You would need to do some more research of course, but that might give you a > start in the (hopefully) right direction. By the way, if Mrs HAYLOCK's > initial was T, J or F, the only one which would fit in 1841 was a Tabitha > HAYLOCK, aged 50. The initial letter is difficult to make out given the longhand used in this section of the 1851 census, it may just be a very colourful H in HAYLOCK?? > The Parish Registers are available to buy on microfiche from the FHS, if you > have access to a microfiche reader. Wish I did but sadly not > Hope this is of some help. It certainly was :-) Best wishes, Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.673 / Virus Database: 435 - Release Date: 01/05/04

Hi Nivard Is it Mary ANDERSON nee HAYLOCK's parents you are trying to establish? If so, have you looked at the Cambridgeshire FHS website - they have searchable indexes for the 1841 and 51 censuses, and also baptism and burial indexes 1801-37. If you check HAYLOCKs in West Wratting you'll see there was a Dorothy HAYLOCK in 1841 aged 60 (bearing in mind that ages were usually rounded down in 1841). If you then check the baptism indexes you'll find one for a Mary HAYLOCK aged 2 in 1809, daughter of Edward and Dorothy HAYLOCK, in West Wratting. (There was also an 75 yr old Edward alive in W.Wratting in 1841.) You would need to do some more research of course, but that might give you a start in the (hopefully) right direction. By the way, if Mrs HAYLOCK's initial was T, J or F, the only one which would fit in 1841 was a Tabitha HAYLOCK, aged 50. The Parish Registers are available to buy on microfiche from the FHS, if you have access to a microfiche reader. Hope this is of some help. Best wishes Viv

Dear all The main question is how can I work out who my g.g.g.grandmother was? any idea's? From the recent free week on the Times I found many interesting things but the most significant was the death in 1854 of my g.g.grandfather George ANDERSON b1799 Lesmahagow. It gave an address of 27 Blandford Square, Marylebone. With the very kind help of Alan Long who found them at the same address in the 1851 census. Having looked for them for many years I am most pleased. (slight understatement :-) From that census I have the following G.ANDERSON head Widr 51 West I Merchant Scotland E " " daur U 11 Scholar at home London E.G. " " son U 10 " " London M " " daur U 8 " " London A " " " U 6 " " London J " " " U 4 " " London Mrs HAYLOCK M-in-L W 73 Annuitant Cambridgeshire (there is a possible letter T or J or F before HAYLOCK) Georges wife was Mary HAYLOCK of West Wratting, Cambs, age unknown, it would seem she passed away between 1847 and 1851? George was a West India Merchant and Planter in Demerara, his half brothers Thomas, Robert & Alexander SMITH were also West India Merchants. Robert at least was also in Demerara. George & Marys children were :- Ellen Georgiana (my g.grandmother) Ernest George Maria Cecilia Alice Mary Janet Ann I have Georges will (proved 1854) Also mentioned in the will (as executor) is John HAYLOCK of Balsham Esquire. Any suggestions most welcome Best wishes, Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.673 / Virus Database: 435 - Release Date: 01/05/04