Dear Listers, Does anyone connect with this family of racehorse trainers (in Newmarket) and farmers (in Burwell) in the 1800s and early 1900s. I have some links to prove and/or disprove! Yours, etc. Geoffrey Woollard in Cambridgeshire.

I am looking for information on the above families in Bassingbourn. John and Sarah Fay Hopkins had no children, but John was very active in town affairs (tax collector, surveyor, engineer, deacon, teacher) and I would like to find out when he and Sarah died and where they are buried. Sarah's sister, Harriett Fay, married Joseph Bone. The two had many children, some of whom lived with John and Sarah. Both families were in Bassingbourn in the 1851 Census. Is there anyone that can do 1861 and 1871 lookups? I do not find John nor Sarah in the 1881 Census and wonder if they had died. Any help, direction appreciated. Janet Hopkins Arizona

Hi again, Also found living with Isabella FOGG, Edward FOGG aged 63 born Churcholm, Northants. Maureen(Mo) ----- Original Message ----- From: hff To: ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 1:19 PM Subject: [ENG-CAMB] CENSUS QUESTION I searched the ancestry .com 1901 census.and was not able to find my person.on BRITISH census on person list 1901 was listed the only problem is for some reason i get timed out .i did find her on 1891 census with family north Peterborough. her name ISABELLA C FOGG age 60 also listed AS CATHERINE FOGG has any one experianced this time out with census search? Hubert,usa ==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ==== .

Hi, I found her on the 1901: Isabella Fogg 60 born N Peterborough. Living Peterborough within St John Baptist Regards Maureen (Mo) ----- Original Message ----- From: hff To: ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 1:19 PM Subject: [ENG-CAMB] CENSUS QUESTION I searched the ancestry .com 1901 census.and was not able to find my person.on BRITISH census on person list 1901 was listed the only problem is for some reason i get timed out .i did find her on 1891 census with family north Peterborough. her name ISABELLA C FOGG age 60 also listed AS CATHERINE FOGG has any one experianced this time out with census search? Hubert,usa ==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ==== .

I saw this entry on the site http://www.biblerecords.com. I thought someone had been looking for the NEAR family in the not too distant past... NEAR Family Bible Date submitted: 8 May 1994 Submitted by : Joanne Joyce Hughes (1:340/85) Property of : Trevor J. Hughes Victoria, B.C. Canada Surnames in this Bible : (2) NEAR HUGHES [ The bible of Joseph Lawrence Near and wife Agnes Leach (of Kirtling, Cambridgeshire) of Wisbech, Cambridgeshire, formerly of Tiptree, Marks Tey, Braintree and Coggleshall, Essex. Emigrated to Canada 1911. ] [ The British and Foreign Bible Society, London, 1904 "The Holy Bible etc..." 1252 pp leatherbound, 1344 pp. leather bound. ] [ Inside front end paper: ] [ verbatim transcript: ] With love and best wishes from Father and Mother to Lawrence and Agnes on the occasion of their marriage. December 14, 1905. Signature: Joseph Burton Near Alice Near Entries made by Joseph L. Near from 1905-1952. verbatim transcript: Joseph Lawrence Near, Born Sept. 2, 1871 Agnes Near (wife) Born March 25, 1869 Married December 14th 1905 [ my note: this was a Quaker wedding ] Winifred Alice Near Born November 9th 1906 For full transcription, see: http://www.biblerecords.com/near.html

thank you for up date on 1901 census. on the 1891 census list ISABELLA AS CATHERINE FOGG with daughter MADELINE FLOWERS and two grand children HUBERT and THOMAS FLOWERS in same house hold living on own means. have touched base with internet provider will take a look at timed out .again thank you Hubert US

MAUREEN. that is the same info i have when i go into census to see rest of family.bellsouth times me out.i got to the point of giving my card info.i will call my internet provider . thank you Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Rust" <Maureen.Rust@care4free.net> To: <ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMB] CENSUS QUESTION > Hi, > I found her on the 1901: > Isabella Fogg 60 born N Peterborough. Living Peterborough within St John Baptist > > Regards > Maureen (Mo) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: hff > To: ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 1:19 PM > Subject: [ENG-CAMB] CENSUS QUESTION > > > I searched the ancestry .com 1901 census.and was > not able to find my person.on BRITISH census > on person list 1901 was listed the only problem is > for some reason i get timed out .i did find her on > 1891 census with family north Peterborough. > her name ISABELLA C FOGG age 60 also listed > AS CATHERINE FOGG has any one experianced > this time out with census search? > Hubert,usa > > > ==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ==== > . > > > > > ==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ==== > . > >

I searched the ancestry .com 1901 census.and was not able to find my person.on BRITISH census on person list 1901 was listed the only problem is for some reason i get timed out .i did find her on 1891 census with family north Peterborough. her name ISABELLA C FOGG age 60 also listed AS CATHERINE FOGG has any one experianced this time out with census search? Hubert,usa

To date, I have always thought my Gt Gt Gt Grandmother, Hannah came from Marston Moretaine in Bedfordshire as her place of birth on all the census records from 1851 to 1881 state place of birth as "Marson", Bedfordshire. There is a christening for a Hannah WALTON, dau. of William & Mary, on the IGI for 13 October 1811 at Marston Moretaine which is in the right time frame and ties in with the name of her 1st born, William Walton CAWTHORN.. Hannah would have married my Gt Gt Gt Grandfather, Joseph CAWTHORN of Emneth, in about 1830-1833, as their first child, William **Walton**, was baptised at Upwell St Peter's on 14 August 1834 + their next 2 children in 1836 & 1840. BUT I cannot find any trace of their marriage - this is one of my brickwalls :) BUT on looking through some old notes taken at the Fenland Museum whilst looking through the films of the Upwell parish registers, I noted that there seemed to be an awful lot of WALTON entries - so could Hannah have been from Upwell instead? Any advice, suggestions gratefully received, as always. Regards, Ann McClean in Llanmerewig, Mid-Wales, U.K. fhistory@ann-mcclean.mid-wales.net ann.mcclean@cawthorn.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It's OK to be confused at the end of each day as long as the level of confusion in the evening is higher than it was in the morning! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CAWTHORN, SCOTT & DeSilva PALMER Family History Pages: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cawthorn/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "BookCrossing" - find a book, take it and read it, and then leave it somewhere for someone else to find and read. http://www.bookcrossing.com/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hello Dorene, Have a look at Google. There are several titles with this name, it depends who your version is by. Best wishes, Gillian. On 8 May 2004, at 15:21, Dorene Stevenson wrote: > Is there anyone who can give me some info on the book the "Whole Duty > of Man." My family brought this book over from England to America in > the mid 1850's. In the book there is a list of births, deaths and > marriages from the 1700's up to the late 1800's. > > Why would they record the data in this book and not a bible? Was it > issued by the Church? > > Thank you, > Dorene > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra > Storage! > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/ > onm00200362ave/direct/01/ > > > ==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ==== > . >

Is there anyone who can give me some info on the book the "Whole Duty of Man." My family brought this book over from England to America in the mid 1850's. In the book there is a list of births, deaths and marriages from the 1700's up to the late 1800's. Why would they record the data in this book and not a bible? Was it issued by the Church? Thank you, Dorene _________________________________________________________________ Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/

Could SKS please look up an Henry Wallis on the 1861 census he should have been born in 1851/2 , his father could have been also called Henry. Thanks Annette in Sardinia

I'm looking for info on a Faithful Chapman who was born in 1776. May have been in Ellington, Tilbrook, Upwell or Somerset. He had siblings Adam 1770 who married Mary Hand, Martha born 1768, Henry born 1766 who married Mary Baker then Hannah Coles, Jane born 1764 Jacob born 1772. Believe that their father was Henry Chapman who married a Sarah ??. If you connect to any of these families or have info on them please e-mail me. Thank you, Dorene _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/

Hi, I just spotted this birth certificate on Ebay and thought it might interest someone. 23 12 1897 Pymore Downham. Phillis Maude - father's name John BROOKS, mothers name Sarah Elizabeth BROOKS (nee MANN) Profession of father Farmer. Maureen (Mo)

Could SKS please advise how to obtain a copy of an inquest report for the above person . Edward BARRANCE died of Apoplexy 28 . 8 1885 aged 34 yrs , an inquest was held the next day. Sub district Caxton , counties of Cambridgeshire and Huntingdon . Could I be contacted off line please. Shirley BROWN New Zealand

Hi Derek, I don't have a connection to the Chamberlain family but I do have ancestors who came from Lincolnshire, hence having some records for that county. The BVRI cd like the IGI has been transcribed by volunteers etc. so there could be mistakes in reading some of the names. You would really have to look at the original records yourself to be 100% sure of the transcriptions. Do you have a LDS Family History Centre near you? I don't know whether you are familiar with the BVRI's but they don't cover all areas & dates, but you can be lucky. There was another marriage at Whaplode which may help in deciding the correct name Hog/Nog as it seems that maybe two sisters married into the Chamberlain family CHAMBERLAIN Martin, son of William Chamberlain married Sarah Molsher HOGG,18, daughter of Henry Molsher Hogg. 28th October 1839. The first baptism to appear in the Whaplode registers for children of William & Ann was in 1809. CHAMBERLAIN Mary Ann 18th June 1809 CHAMBERLAIN John 20th September 1812 CHAMBERLAIN Martin 1st December 1816 CHAMBERLAIN Elizabeth 18th April 1819 CHAMBERLAIN Ann 20th January 1822 HARVEY Edward Pearson, son of Edward Harvey & Ann CHAMBERLAIN, daughter of William Chamberlain 5th January 1847 at Braceborough, Linc. I had another look on the National Burial Index and there were no entries for an Ann Chamberlain about 1848 in Linc. Re. baptism of William Chamberlain at Gedney-Hill, Linc. the only way I can confirm this at the moment is via the IGI site. The entry does come from the Parish registers, and it could well be your William. He could have been born in Thornley & baptised at Gedney-Hill. Best wishes, Jennie

Hello Jennie, Many thanks for email and extra data. We do have a FHS but it is some distance away from where we live, I may leave some things for my children to check later, as I am getting a bit old now to do too much racing around, I shall be 72 in June. I do appreciate what you have done. I am just hoping there may be someone out there who is a descendant of the same family that may be interested in making a connection.Thanks again. Kindest regards, Derek Hindle in Tasmania. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennie Hudson" <whitewav@powerup.com.au> To: <ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 7:13 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMB] WILLIAM CHAMBERLAIN m ANN MEADOWS at Thorny, Cambridgeshire. c.1807 Any connections? > Hi Derek, > > I don't have a connection to the Chamberlain family but I do have ancestors > who came from Lincolnshire, hence having some records for that county. > > The BVRI cd like the IGI has been transcribed by volunteers etc. so there > could be mistakes in reading some of the names. You would really have to > look at the original records yourself to be 100% sure of the transcriptions. > Do you have a LDS Family History Centre near you? I don't know whether you > are familiar with the BVRI's but they don't cover all areas & dates, but you > can be lucky. > > There was another marriage at Whaplode which may help in deciding the > correct name Hog/Nog as it seems that maybe two sisters married into the > Chamberlain family > > CHAMBERLAIN Martin, son of William Chamberlain married Sarah Molsher > HOGG,18, daughter of Henry Molsher Hogg. 28th October 1839. > > The first baptism to appear in the Whaplode registers for children of > William & Ann was in 1809. > > CHAMBERLAIN Mary Ann 18th June 1809 > CHAMBERLAIN John 20th September 1812 > CHAMBERLAIN Martin 1st December 1816 > CHAMBERLAIN Elizabeth 18th April 1819 > CHAMBERLAIN Ann 20th January 1822 > > HARVEY Edward Pearson, son of Edward Harvey & Ann CHAMBERLAIN, daughter of > William Chamberlain 5th January 1847 at Braceborough, Linc. > > I had another look on the National Burial Index and there were no entries > for an Ann Chamberlain about 1848 in Linc. > > Re. baptism of William Chamberlain at Gedney-Hill, Linc. the only way I can > confirm this at the moment is via the IGI site. The entry does come from > the Parish registers, and it could well be your William. He could have been > born in Thornley & baptised at Gedney-Hill. > > Best wishes, > Jennie > > > > ==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ==== > . > >

Hello Jennie, Many thanks for your very helpful email, which has really filled me in on a few details. I had the 1851 Census and the 1881 Census details of Whaplode Drove for CHAMBERLAIN but not the dates of births and deaths. My own great grandfather was HENRY MEADOWS CHAMBERLAIN, born 17.6.1838 at Whaplode Drove to William & Ann Chamberlain nee HOG ( the IGI had it as NOG - could you confirm the correct one if possible please) I have the marriage of William C. to Ann Hog on 29.11.1830 and am gathering that she died before 1848 when he married Alice Furnage, nee Barber who appears to have been a widow. You wouldn't have access to the Death of ANN CHAMBERLAIN would you? I have from IGI a record of a baptism of WILLIAM CHAMBERLAIN on 11.6.1808 at Gedney Hill, Lincoln son of William - could you confim this? In the 1851 Census William Chamberlain states he was born at Thorney, Cambridgeshire and IGI gives a WILLIAM CHAMBERLAIN married to ANN MEADOWS on 22.10.1807, at Thorney but no birth record there. It seems as though this at Gedney Hill, Lincoln could be them, as it is about eight months after the marriage. Maybe they were on the move, as I can't see the birth of that WILLIAM at Thorney either, only there is one at Meldreth, Cambs. on 11.5.1783 son of JOHN CHAMBERLAIN and ELIZABETH DRAYCOTT married on 29.7.1782 at Oakham, Rutland. The JOHN CHAMBERLAIN was son of a WILLIAM & ANN possibly GATES married 8.11.1862 at Meldreth, Cambs. but I can't see a baptism for JOHN. There are a few missing dates on IGI but the CHAMBERLAIN's go back to a WILLIAM CHAMBERLAIN married to ELIZABETH JURDEN at Oakham, Rutland on 29.10.1719.Thankd for all this interesting new data, I do appreciate your kindness, are you connected to the Chamberlain family yourself? Bye for now, Kindest regards, Derek in Tasmania, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennie Hudson" <whitewav@powerup.com.au> To: <ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMB] WILLIAM CHAMBERLAIN m ANN MEADOWS at Thorny, Cambridgeshire. c.1807 Any connections? > Hi Derek, > > The 1861 Census entry for the only William Chamberlain at Whaplode Drove is as follows. > > 5 Chapel Gate, Whaplode Drove, Linc. > CHAMBERLAIN William 53 Head Ag. Lab. Holbeach, Linc. > CHAMBERLIAN Alice M 57 Wife Swineshead, Linc. > FURNAGE John B 24 Son/law Ag. Lab. Whaplode Drove, Linc > CHAMBERLAIN John 20 Son Ag. Lab. Whaplode Drove, Linc > CHAMBERLAIN Martin 11 Son Scholar Whaplode Drove, Linc. > CHAMBERLAIN Alice 7 Daur Scholar Whaplode Drove, Linc. > > 14 Whaplode Bank, Whaplode Drove, Linc. > Household of William Eason > CHAMBERLAIN Robert 18 Serv. Carter Whaplode Drove, Linc. > > There was no baptism listing on the Cambridgeshire Baptism Index for a William Chamberlain. > > The following baptisms found on the BVRI cd and recorded at Whaplode, Linc. looks like they belong to William. > > CHAMBERLAIN William bpt. 29 May 1836 son of William & Ann > CHAMBERLAIN Henry Chamberlain Meadows bpt. 17 June 1838 son of William & Anne > CHAMBERLAIN Elizabeth bpt. 19 April 1840 daughter of William & Ann > CHAMBERLAIN John bpt. 19 May 1841 son of William Meadows Chamberlain & Ann > CHAMBERLAIN Robert bpt. 15 Sep 1842 son of William & Ann > CHAMBERLAIN Martin bpt. 25 June 1846 son of William & Ann > CHAMBERLAYNE Martin bpt. 1849 (no date) son of William & Alice > > Marriages: > CHAMBERLAIN William Meadows & Ann HOG 29 November 1830 at Whaplode, Linc. > > CHAMBERLAYN William Middows, son of William Chamberlayn & Alice FURMAGE, daughter of John Barber; married 25th April 1848 at Whaplode, Linc. > > There are further baptisms & marriages if you are interested, and you can contact me off list if you like. > > Burials taken from the National Burial Index: > > 30 Nov 1852 Martin CHAMBALAYNE 36 Lincs Whaplode Drove, St John the Baptist > 18 Feb 1890 Alice CHAMBERLAIN 79 Lincs Whaplode Drove, St John the Baptist > 20 Dec 1889 John George CHAMBERLAIN 3m Lincs Whaplode Drove, St John the Baptist > 19 Oct 1846 Martin CHAMBERLAIN inf Lincs Whaplode Drove, St John the Baptist > 15 Dec 1853 Mary Anne CHAMBERLAIN inf Lincs Whaplode Drove, St John the Baptist > 20 Dec 1889 William CHAMBERLAIN 82 Lincs Whaplode Drove, St John the Baptist > 26 Mar 1852 Elizabeth CHAMBERLAYNE 12 Lincs Whaplode Drove, St John the Baptist > 3 Sep 1848 Martin CHAMBERLAYNE inf Lincs Whaplode Drove, St John the Baptist > > > Best wishes, > Jennie from Brisbane > > > ==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ==== > . > >

How old was Sarah in 1871? There's a widowed Sarah Waller from Northants in Islington, but she's 57. Estelle

Hi Derek, The 1861 Census entry for the only William Chamberlain at Whaplode Drove is as follows. 5 Chapel Gate, Whaplode Drove, Linc. CHAMBERLAIN William 53 Head Ag. Lab. Holbeach, Linc. CHAMBERLIAN Alice M 57 Wife Swineshead, Linc. FURNAGE John B 24 Son/law Ag. Lab. Whaplode Drove, Linc CHAMBERLAIN John 20 Son Ag. Lab. Whaplode Drove, Linc CHAMBERLAIN Martin 11 Son Scholar Whaplode Drove, Linc. CHAMBERLAIN Alice 7 Daur Scholar Whaplode Drove, Linc. 14 Whaplode Bank, Whaplode Drove, Linc. Household of William Eason CHAMBERLAIN Robert 18 Serv. Carter Whaplode Drove, Linc. There was no baptism listing on the Cambridgeshire Baptism Index for a William Chamberlain. The following baptisms found on the BVRI cd and recorded at Whaplode, Linc. looks like they belong to William. CHAMBERLAIN William bpt. 29 May 1836 son of William & Ann CHAMBERLAIN Henry Chamberlain Meadows bpt. 17 June 1838 son of William & Anne CHAMBERLAIN Elizabeth bpt. 19 April 1840 daughter of William & Ann CHAMBERLAIN John bpt. 19 May 1841 son of William Meadows Chamberlain & Ann CHAMBERLAIN Robert bpt. 15 Sep 1842 son of William & Ann CHAMBERLAIN Martin bpt. 25 June 1846 son of William & Ann CHAMBERLAYNE Martin bpt. 1849 (no date) son of William & Alice Marriages: CHAMBERLAIN William Meadows & Ann HOG 29 November 1830 at Whaplode, Linc. CHAMBERLAYN William Middows, son of William Chamberlayn & Alice FURMAGE, daughter of John Barber; married 25th April 1848 at Whaplode, Linc. There are further baptisms & marriages if you are interested, and you can contact me off list if you like. Burials taken from the National Burial Index: 30 Nov 1852 Martin CHAMBALAYNE 36 Lincs Whaplode Drove, St John the Baptist 18 Feb 1890 Alice CHAMBERLAIN 79 Lincs Whaplode Drove, St John the Baptist 20 Dec 1889 John George CHAMBERLAIN 3m Lincs Whaplode Drove, St John the Baptist 19 Oct 1846 Martin CHAMBERLAIN inf Lincs Whaplode Drove, St John the Baptist 15 Dec 1853 Mary Anne CHAMBERLAIN inf Lincs Whaplode Drove, St John the Baptist 20 Dec 1889 William CHAMBERLAIN 82 Lincs Whaplode Drove, St John the Baptist 26 Mar 1852 Elizabeth CHAMBERLAYNE 12 Lincs Whaplode Drove, St John the Baptist 3 Sep 1848 Martin CHAMBERLAYNE inf Lincs Whaplode Drove, St John the Baptist Best wishes, Jennie from Brisbane