Dear everyone Thank you for being so helpful on this list. One of my family,Nora Daisy Pym married William David Baumber in 1907 I have just telephoned a mrs Baumber who lives in Cambridgeshire.She has got a Baumber family tree,but only her husbands direct line back to the 1600`s Has anyone got Nora Daisy in their tree please? Many Thanks Kate CHESTER --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 06/08/04

Image sent off list. Viv ----- Original Message ----- From: "amberlouise" <amberlouise@supanet.com> To: <ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 2:32 AM Subject: [ENG-CAMB] Whittlesey 1891 census > Hello everyone > > I have just joined this list,having found some of my PYM Family moved to > Whittlesey in 1881.They are on the 1881 census ,living there.The childrens > births are registered in Whittlesey and on the 1901 census are living in > Peterborough. > > Is it possible to obtain details of the 1891 census please? > > My family are George Pym born c.1854 Cookham,Berks > His wife Alice Marie bornc.1858 West Drayton > > Daughters Rose Flora Cookham 1881 > Alice Lilian Whittlesey 1882,Nora Daisy 1883,Marguerite Myrtle 1885,Olive > Ellen 1891 > Ivy May 1893 and Iris Maria 1895 > > George was a gardener and Alice was a florist,can you guess as their > daughters tended to have plant or flower related names! > > Many Thanks > Kate > CHESTER > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 06/08/04 > > > ==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ==== > . >

Hi Mary I've looked through the whole of Thorney on the 1871 census (online at Ancestry), having failed to find either John or Mary Ann by use of the index, and can't find them anywhere in Thorney. Do you think they were still alive in 1871? I also have the 1861 census for Cambridgeshire on CDs, but when I looked for Thorney on the index I couldn't find it - I wonder if anyone else on the list knows why this is? Best wishes Viv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Woollaston" <m.woollaston@xtra.co.nz> To: <ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 6:45 AM Subject: [ENG-CAMB] 1861 and 71 census > Can anyone help me locate John Hawkins and Mary Ann (formerly Brown) on the 1861 or 1871 census in the Causeway, Thorney.

Hello everyone I have just joined this list,having found some of my PYM Family moved to Whittlesey in 1881.They are on the 1881 census ,living there.The childrens births are registered in Whittlesey and on the 1901 census are living in Peterborough. Is it possible to obtain details of the 1891 census please? My family are George Pym born c.1854 Cookham,Berks His wife Alice Marie bornc.1858 West Drayton Daughters Rose Flora Cookham 1881 Alice Lilian Whittlesey 1882,Nora Daisy 1883,Marguerite Myrtle 1885,Olive Ellen 1891 Ivy May 1893 and Iris Maria 1895 George was a gardener and Alice was a florist,can you guess as their daughters tended to have plant or flower related names! Many Thanks Kate CHESTER --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 06/08/04

Hello everybody, Can anyone help me locate John Hawkins and Mary Ann (formerly Brown) on the 1861 or 1871 census in the Causeway, Thorney. They were both born in Whittlesey. John was born ca 1790-92, and ag labourer and Mary born about the same time, possibly 3 years later. In return, I can do lookups in the GRO. Best wishes, Mary, Lower Hutt, New Zealand (where it's raining and winter!)

These are the HAWKINS in Thorney on the 1851 Census Index at Thorney. Note that Edward and the younger John are enumerated away from family of John and Mary, The younger Mary is probably a granddaughter: HAWKINS John 61 Thorney HO107/1747 957A HAWKINS Mary 58 Thorney HO107/1747 957A HAWKINS Rebecca 20 Thorney HO107/1747 957A HAWKINS Sarah J 9 Thorney HO107/1747 957A HAWKINS Mary 4 Thorney HO107/1747 957A HAWKINS Edward 16 Thorney HO107/1747 972B HAWKINS John 20 Thorney HO107/1747 991B Here is this same family on the 1841 census. Again, note that there is a younger John Hawkins, not enumerated with the famiy of John & Mary. Surname Forenames Age Parish or Town Film Folio HAWKINS Mary 75 Thorney HO107/78/10 16B HAWKINS John 50 Thorney HO107/78/11 6B HAWKINS Mary 45 Thorney HO107/78/11 6B HAWKINS William 20 Thorney HO107/78/11 6B HAWKINS George 13 Thorney HO107/78/11 6B HAWKINS James 10 Thorney HO107/78/11 6B HAWKINS Rebecca 8 Thorney HO107/78/11 6B HAWKINS Edward 6 Thorney HO107/78/11 6B HAWKINS John 18 Thorney HO107/78/13 5A Following is the Younger JOhn Hawkins in the 1881 census. This is at www.familysearch.org: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability John HAWKINS Head M Male 58 Thorney, Cambridge, England Ag Lab Ann HAWKINS Wife M Female 49 Thorney, Cambridge, England Hannah HAWKINS Daur U Female 21 Parson Drove, Cambridge, England George HAWKINS Son U Male 19 Sutton St Edmund, Lincoln, England Ag Lab Edward HAWKINS Son Male 12 Sutton St Edmund, Lincoln, England Scholar Fred M. HAWKINS Son Male 10 Sutton St Edmund, Lincoln, England Scholar Ada HAWKINS Daur Female 5 Sutton St Edmund, Lincoln, England Scholar Henry BOWMAN Visitor U Male 19 Spalding, Lincoln, England Ag Lab ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Source Information: Census Place Sutton St Edmunds, Lincoln, England Family History Library Film 1341764 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 3207 / 20 Following is the Baptismal index of all Hawkins Baptised in Thorney 1801-1837. Note that, per the asterisk, if you look at the parish records there is additional information available. It does confirm that the younger John Hawkins is the son of John and Mary. Year Surname Forenames Age Abode Parents Parish Indictator 1802 HAWKINS Alice - ----- d. of William & Mary Thorney - 1834 HAWKINS Edward - ----- s. of John & Mary Thorney * 1828 HAWKINS George - ----- s. of John & Mary Thorney * 1832 HAWKINS James - ----- s. of John & Mary Thorney * 1823 HAWKINS John - ----- s. of John & Mary Thorney * 1821 HAWKINS Mary A. - ----- d. of John & Mary Thorney * 1827 HAWKINS Rebecca - ----- d. of John & Mary Thorney * 1830 HAWKINS Rebecca - ----- d. of John & Mary Thorney * 1825 HAWKINS Robert - ----- s. of John & Mary Thorney * 1818 HAWKINS William - ----- s. of John & Mary Thorney * There are only a few burials 1801 to 1837, as follows: Year Surname Forenames Age Abode Condition Parish Indictator 1805 HAWKINS Alice inf ----- ----- Thorney Abbey - 1807 HAWKINS Ann 9 ----- ----- Thorney Abbey - 1815 HAWKINS John 72 ----- ----- Thorney Abbey - 1827 HAWKINS Rebecca 7w ----- ----- Thorney Abbey - 1805 HAWKINS Sarah 10 ----- ----- Thorney Abbey - 1830 HAWKINS William 64 ----- ----- Thorney Abbey - -----Original Message----- From: Viv Hawley [mailto:vivahawley@btopenworld.com] Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 11:30 AM To: ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMB] 1861 and 71 census - John & Mary Ann HAWKINS in Thorney Hi Mary I've looked through the whole of Thorney on the 1871 census (online at Ancestry), having failed to find either John or Mary Ann by use of the index, and can't find them anywhere in Thorney. Do you think they were still alive in 1871? I also have the 1861 census for Cambridgeshire on CDs, but when I looked for Thorney on the index I couldn't find it - I wonder if anyone else on the list knows why this is? Best wishes Viv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Woollaston" <m.woollaston@xtra.co.nz> To: <ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 6:45 AM Subject: [ENG-CAMB] 1861 and 71 census > Can anyone help me locate John Hawkins and Mary Ann (formerly Brown) on the 1861 or 1871 census in the Causeway, Thorney. ==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ==== .

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Hi there Louisa. Haven't heard back from you about the Parr family We may be related and my researcher has us maybe linked to William Parr who was the brother of Catherine Parr, Henry VIII's last wife. Have you any Verdun Parrs in your listings. I would be very interested to hear as my researcher has a missing link to fill in and you could be the key. Where are you from, I live in Australia but am going home to Uk for a visit in 3 weeks time but will still be able to access my mail, especially if you reply to my hotmail addy - arum7@hotmail.com Hope that you will reply please Regards Eunice and Phil

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Dear Kathy, Reaney's "The Origin of English Surnames" gives the origin of the Papworths as Papercourt in Surrey (near Ripley, now famed for fishing, sailing [R.Y.A.] and wildlife [S.S.S.I.]) - so presumably the two Papworths in Cambridge (P. Everard and P. St. Agnes) were settled by the family later, e.g., P. Agnes (later P.St. Agnes) was named from Agnes de Papewurda when it was still in Huntingdonshire. If so, and judging by the spelling of Papewurda, it must have happened very early - P. Everard was a manor in 1160 (named from Everard of Beach). Perhaps it all started at Papercourt Farm, Papercourt Lane (now a garage). The Penguin Dictionary of English Surnames simply gives the origin as one of these Papworths (and explains the placename as 'priests' homestead') - but that's too easy, Reaney always has documents to back his statements. Incidentally, I always read and enjoyed Veronica Papworth's column in the Sunday Express years ago. To sum up: the noble name originated in a Surrey place, the family acquired land in Cambridgeshire (or rather Huntingdonshire) where manors were named from them, and then the peasantry from those manors took Papworth as their name when they moved elsewhere, as was the usual thing. Regards, David ----- Original Message ----- From: <Kfisher69@aol.com> To: <ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 5:16 PM Subject: [ENG-CAMB] PAPWORTH > I'm researching the Papworth family of Toft. Does anyone know the origin of > the name Papworth? I know there is Papworth Agnes and Papworth Everard. > > Can anyone look up James and Louisa Papworth in the 1861 and/or 1871 census? > > Thanks for any help > > Kathy > > > ==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ==== > . >

Hi Jane, Many thanks for that information. It is helpful to me. If you ever need any alokups in the GRO let me know. I have easy access to it at our National Library, 2 minutes from where I work. It's early morning here 6am and I have to get off to work! Cheers, Mary

I wonder if any one out there can find info on a Frederick Ellis b 1861 and Alice Ellis b 1863. Their Mother was a Emma Ellis don't know the name of the husband nor maiden name of Emma and all are in Northampton. Emma Ellis later married a second time in 1865 to a Samuel Lucas in Northampton again. I have looked at 1837online and lds site with no success. Have a census of 1881 that lists Samuel and Emma Lucas and family and the daughter and son of Emma from the first marriage are listed there. Problem is that can't find anything else on them. They later on had an Eva Lucas who is my hubby's grandmother who lived in Alpha St Northampton. Samuel and Emma Lucas lived in Alpha street too as did James William Goude and Eva and he married in 1918. Thanks in anticipation Eunice Goude

Hello Kathy, Just had a quick look through my 1861 census and found 6 pages which mention PAPWORTH in the village of TOFT. I will send you all six copies, I hope they are useful. Ricky DONALD rickydonald@blueyonder.co.uk www.donald-family.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk MSN Messenger ricky_donald@hotmail.com Yahoo ricky_p_donald@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <Kfisher69@aol.com> To: <ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 5:16 PM Subject: [ENG-CAMB] PAPWORTH > I'm researching the Papworth family of Toft. Does anyone know the origin of > the name Papworth? I know there is Papworth Agnes and Papworth Everard. > > Can anyone look up James and Louisa Papworth in the 1861 and/or 1871 census? > > Thanks for any help > > Kathy > > > ==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ==== > . > >

Just a reminder that PCC wills (which are on the site given) are not the only wills to be found. Many (more in total than in PCC) are in the individual church archdeaconrys. Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARIANNE SOLTAU" <msoltau@shaw.ca> To: <ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMB] Will Research Requested > Thank you I like this site and will try to find something > > Marianne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Liz Ellicott" <LizEllicott@btinternet.com> > To: <ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 9:28 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMB] Will Research Requested > > > > The website you need for a will search is > > www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk select Search Our Collections > > form the top of the home page , and then Documents Online (PCC wills+) > > > > Liz > > > > > > ==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ==== > > . > > >

Hi, Has anyone got a connection to Thomas SCOTT born c 1797 in Haddenham. He married Mary BULLEN in Hilgay, Norfolk in 1821 and lived and died in Hilgay. Thomas SCOTT's parents were John and Ann. Thanks for any further information. Maureen (Mo)

Hi again, Would anyone have access to the 1851 census details? I have Edward Hawkins HO 107/1747 92B English Drove, Thorney and would be interested to know the other occupants of that dwelling. In return, I can do lookups on the GRO. Chers, Mary, Lower Hutt, New Zealand

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Brilliant - thank you so much Kathy

I'm researching the Papworth family of Toft. Does anyone know the origin of the name Papworth? I know there is Papworth Agnes and Papworth Everard. Can anyone look up James and Louisa Papworth in the 1861 and/or 1871 census? Thanks for any help Kathy