Please remove my name from this list. Regards, John John Bennett

I would like to say a Big Thank You on list to Ruth who has help so much with my Pettit/Poulter mystery & who didn't do her washing up as she was so busy looking up stuff for me many thanks Regards Janice

The Y and N mean whether or not the person was born in the county where the census was being taken. So the older Elizabeth Pettett was not born in Cambridgeshire and neither was Elizabeth Fisher. Given that the Suffolk border is spitting distance from the hamlet of Upend it's most likely she came from one of the parishes over the border. I've had a quick look for her in the 1851 census transcription for Cambridgeshire with no success so cannot pin down a more accurate birthplace for her. The 40/45 age is a bit odd. The enumerators in 1841 were asked to round down adults' ages to the nearest 5 years - maybe she was due to turn 45 the next day and they couldn't decide what to put! Ages under 15 were supposed to be accurate. On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:12:44 -0000, Janice Aitkens <janice.aitkens1@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Hi Ruth > Thank you for your searches. > I have John Pettitt bapt in Kirtling 1821 parents Elizabeth & John Pettitt. > So by the look of the 1841 census John sr is not at home possible died > What does the Y & N mean also is the 40/45 because they would have her age > in that range > Regards Janice > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ruth" <historyscape@gmail.com> > To: <ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 1:36 PM > Subject: Fwd: [ENG-CAMB] What a Mystery > > > Hi again Janice > > > > Having had a look around, I suspect this is your John in 1841: > > Upend Hamlet, Kirtling (HO 107/65/4/6B) > > John Pettitt, 20, Ag Lab, Y > > Elizebeth Pettitt, 40/45, N > > Elizebeth Pettitt, 13, Y > > Elizer Pettitt, 10, Y > > (sharing house with Elizebeth Fisher, 80/82, N > > > > The Cambridgeshire Baptism Index on www.cfhs.org.uk gives probable > > baptisms for the two girls: > > 1828 Elizabeth Pettitt, d. of John & Elizabeth, Kirtling > > 1832 Eliza Pettitt, d. of John & Elizabeth, Kirtling > > > > My hypothesis would be that there is a marriage of a John Pettitt and > > Elizabeth Poulter in Cambridgeshire or nearby Suffolk sometime between > > 1820 and 1828 and that Elizabeth Poulter had an illegitimate son, > > John, before her marriage. But obviously this is only guesswork! > > Perhaps someone on the list could check the Cambridgeshire Marriage > > Index for an appropriate match in that timeframe. > > > > Regards > > Ruth > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Ruth <historyscape@gmail.com> > > Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:59:46 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMB] What a Mystery > > To: eng-cambridgeshire-l@rootsweb.com > > > > > > Hi Janice > > > > I think that John Pettit and John Poulter are almost definitely one > > and the same. I've got two instances of interchangeable surnames in > > my Cambridgeshire family too. In one case, I have Joseph PARKER also > > known as Joseph THOROGOOD - his mother was married to a PARKER but > > living with a THOROGOOD when he was born. The other is a William > > HOBBS aka William HOWE - his parents William HOBBS and Alice HOWE > > married the year after he was born. The families of both these men > > interchanged their surnames over the years appearing as first one and > > then the other in various censuses. They both lived in Balsham. I > > suspect their backgrounds were so well known in a small place that > > various registrars and enumerators differed over which surnames to use > > for them. > > > > Have you found a baptism for John PETTITT als. POULTER yet? > > > > Best wishes > > Ruth > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:29:16 -0000, Janice Aitkens > > <janice.aitkens1@ntlworld.com> wrote: > >> Hello Everyone > >> It my Pettit (Pettitt)/ Poulter mystery, Here is what I have & would love > >> to have some thoughts as to what you all think. > >> > >> 1844 Julia Jane Stigwood marries a John Pettit (signed Pettett) he a > >> labourer have marriage cert. it does not state X for mark of mother > >> > >> 1851 Census Gives the family as Pettett with parents & children > >> > >> 1851 5th March I have a birth for a William Poulter (a twin so the record > >> office said) Julia Jane Poulter formerly Stigwood X mark as informant > >> Mother Father's occup Carter > >> > >> 1857 Hannah Pettit father John Pettit Coal Carter mother Julia Jane > >> Pettit formerly Stigwood > >> > >> 1861 Census gives the family as Pettit father's occupation Labourer it > >> shows both William & Hannah there plus older children & younger ones. > >> > >> 1871 Census it shows family as Poulter John's occupation Butcher, Julia > >> is there as is William age 17 Butcher, Hannah 12 plus younger children. > >> > >> 1875 Hannah marries & gives her as Hannah Poulter father John Butcher > >> (have cert) > >> > >> 1881 Census family Poulter John a Butcher, Julia is there & a Thomas age > >> 25 Ag Lab & a Samuel age 14 Hannah is a widow with two children > >> > >> 1884 Hannah remarries in Bloomsbury London gives John Poulter butcher as > >> father (have cert) > >> > >> 1889 There is a Death of a John Poulter (am waiting on cert) > >> > >> 1891 Census Julia widow Dealer & butcher there is a son James ag lab age > >> 46 (he only ever shows on 1851 census) Samuel age 28 Butcher > >> > >> 1891 Census shows a Thomas Pettett age 36 Ag Lab with wife & family > >> > >> 1899 Samuel Marriage cert give him as Samuel Pettit Poulter Butcher > >> father John Pettit Poulter > >> > >> 1901 Census shows a Thomas P Poulter ag lab with family does match names > >> with the 1891 census > >> > >> 1901 Census Samuel age 34 butcher wife Julia 30 & Julia widow age 77 > >> Mother is there > >> > >> 1903 Death of a Julia Poulter am waiting on Death Cert. > >> > >> So far I have not found a death for a John Pettit or various spellings & > >> no marriage to a John Poulter. > >> > >> Would I now be right for what ever reason saying that John Pettit & John > >> Poulter are one of the same & can anyone say why the names change from > >> the different years at first I thought that Julia had remarried but when > >> I was inputting Hannah's birth today & clicked to sort the children I saw > >> that William is a Poulter for sure as I have his birth certificate, I had > >> been looking for Hannah's for years under Poulter because of William's > >> but only just found Hannah (which was very difficult to read on the GRO > >> Index) & received the cert today which confirms not only surname but > >> mother's name both the same. > >> > >> So any help as how to put this family down as well to what is going on, > >> thanks if you managed to read down to here > >> Regards Janice > >> > >> ==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ==== > >> . > >> > >> > > > > > > ==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ==== > > . > > > >

Hi Ruth Thank you for your searches. I have John Pettitt bapt in Kirtling 1821 parents Elizabeth & John Pettitt. So by the look of the 1841 census John sr is not at home possible died What does the Y & N mean also is the 40/45 because they would have her age in that range Regards Janice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth" <historyscape@gmail.com> To: <ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 1:36 PM Subject: Fwd: [ENG-CAMB] What a Mystery > Hi again Janice > > Having had a look around, I suspect this is your John in 1841: > Upend Hamlet, Kirtling (HO 107/65/4/6B) > John Pettitt, 20, Ag Lab, Y > Elizebeth Pettitt, 40/45, N > Elizebeth Pettitt, 13, Y > Elizer Pettitt, 10, Y > (sharing house with Elizebeth Fisher, 80/82, N > > The Cambridgeshire Baptism Index on www.cfhs.org.uk gives probable > baptisms for the two girls: > 1828 Elizabeth Pettitt, d. of John & Elizabeth, Kirtling > 1832 Eliza Pettitt, d. of John & Elizabeth, Kirtling > > My hypothesis would be that there is a marriage of a John Pettitt and > Elizabeth Poulter in Cambridgeshire or nearby Suffolk sometime between > 1820 and 1828 and that Elizabeth Poulter had an illegitimate son, > John, before her marriage. But obviously this is only guesswork! > Perhaps someone on the list could check the Cambridgeshire Marriage > Index for an appropriate match in that timeframe. > > Regards > Ruth > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Ruth <historyscape@gmail.com> > Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:59:46 +0000 > Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMB] What a Mystery > To: eng-cambridgeshire-l@rootsweb.com > > > Hi Janice > > I think that John Pettit and John Poulter are almost definitely one > and the same. I've got two instances of interchangeable surnames in > my Cambridgeshire family too. In one case, I have Joseph PARKER also > known as Joseph THOROGOOD - his mother was married to a PARKER but > living with a THOROGOOD when he was born. The other is a William > HOBBS aka William HOWE - his parents William HOBBS and Alice HOWE > married the year after he was born. The families of both these men > interchanged their surnames over the years appearing as first one and > then the other in various censuses. They both lived in Balsham. I > suspect their backgrounds were so well known in a small place that > various registrars and enumerators differed over which surnames to use > for them. > > Have you found a baptism for John PETTITT als. POULTER yet? > > Best wishes > Ruth > > > > > On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:29:16 -0000, Janice Aitkens > <janice.aitkens1@ntlworld.com> wrote: >> Hello Everyone >> It my Pettit (Pettitt)/ Poulter mystery, Here is what I have & would love >> to have some thoughts as to what you all think. >> >> 1844 Julia Jane Stigwood marries a John Pettit (signed Pettett) he a >> labourer have marriage cert. it does not state X for mark of mother >> >> 1851 Census Gives the family as Pettett with parents & children >> >> 1851 5th March I have a birth for a William Poulter (a twin so the record >> office said) Julia Jane Poulter formerly Stigwood X mark as informant >> Mother Father's occup Carter >> >> 1857 Hannah Pettit father John Pettit Coal Carter mother Julia Jane >> Pettit formerly Stigwood >> >> 1861 Census gives the family as Pettit father's occupation Labourer it >> shows both William & Hannah there plus older children & younger ones. >> >> 1871 Census it shows family as Poulter John's occupation Butcher, Julia >> is there as is William age 17 Butcher, Hannah 12 plus younger children. >> >> 1875 Hannah marries & gives her as Hannah Poulter father John Butcher >> (have cert) >> >> 1881 Census family Poulter John a Butcher, Julia is there & a Thomas age >> 25 Ag Lab & a Samuel age 14 Hannah is a widow with two children >> >> 1884 Hannah remarries in Bloomsbury London gives John Poulter butcher as >> father (have cert) >> >> 1889 There is a Death of a John Poulter (am waiting on cert) >> >> 1891 Census Julia widow Dealer & butcher there is a son James ag lab age >> 46 (he only ever shows on 1851 census) Samuel age 28 Butcher >> >> 1891 Census shows a Thomas Pettett age 36 Ag Lab with wife & family >> >> 1899 Samuel Marriage cert give him as Samuel Pettit Poulter Butcher >> father John Pettit Poulter >> >> 1901 Census shows a Thomas P Poulter ag lab with family does match names >> with the 1891 census >> >> 1901 Census Samuel age 34 butcher wife Julia 30 & Julia widow age 77 >> Mother is there >> >> 1903 Death of a Julia Poulter am waiting on Death Cert. >> >> So far I have not found a death for a John Pettit or various spellings & >> no marriage to a John Poulter. >> >> Would I now be right for what ever reason saying that John Pettit & John >> Poulter are one of the same & can anyone say why the names change from >> the different years at first I thought that Julia had remarried but when >> I was inputting Hannah's birth today & clicked to sort the children I saw >> that William is a Poulter for sure as I have his birth certificate, I had >> been looking for Hannah's for years under Poulter because of William's >> but only just found Hannah (which was very difficult to read on the GRO >> Index) & received the cert today which confirms not only surname but >> mother's name both the same. >> >> So any help as how to put this family down as well to what is going on, >> thanks if you managed to read down to here >> Regards Janice >> >> ==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ==== >> . >> >> > > > ==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ==== > . >

OK - my hypothesis would appear to be wrong! *Hangs head in shame* But I think it applies one generation further back... The British Vital Records Index (and the IGI) has a marriage on 25 March 1819 somewhere in Suffolk (unhelpfully they've grouped together all Suffolk Bishops Transcripts without specifying the parish) between John PETTITT and Elizabeth FISHER. Given the Fisher connection in the 1841 census entry I would have thought this was worth investigating further. Checking for baptisms, this one fits the bill: Kirtling: John PETTITT, bap.20 April 1821, son of John PETTITT and Elizabeth Other children of John and Elizabeth Pettitt baptised in Kirtling are: Susannah, bap.12 Dec 1824 Elizabeth, bap.15 Jun 1828 Eliza, bap.1 Jan 1832 Samuel, bap. 24 Oct 1833 Looking back another generation, here's a possible baptism for John senior: John Pettitt, son of Susan Pettitt, bap. 19 Dec 1797 And then there is a marriage between Samuel POULTER and Susannah PETTIT on 3 Jan 1802 in Kirtling! This couple has one child baptised in Kirtling - James bap. 3 Oct 1802. So it looks like your John may well have taken on his step (or possibly natural) grandfather's surname at stages during his life. Hope this helps (it's certainly helped distract me from the housework!) Ruth On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 13:36:34 +0000, Ruth <historyscape@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi again Janice > > Having had a look around, I suspect this is your John in 1841: > Upend Hamlet, Kirtling (HO 107/65/4/6B) > John Pettitt, 20, Ag Lab, Y > Elizebeth Pettitt, 40/45, N > Elizebeth Pettitt, 13, Y > Elizer Pettitt, 10, Y > (sharing house with Elizebeth Fisher, 80/82, N > > The Cambridgeshire Baptism Index on www.cfhs.org.uk gives probable > baptisms for the two girls: > 1828 Elizabeth Pettitt, d. of John & Elizabeth, Kirtling > 1832 Eliza Pettitt, d. of John & Elizabeth, Kirtling > > My hypothesis would be that there is a marriage of a John Pettitt and > Elizabeth Poulter in Cambridgeshire or nearby Suffolk sometime between > 1820 and 1828 and that Elizabeth Poulter had an illegitimate son, > John, before her marriage. But obviously this is only guesswork! > Perhaps someone on the list could check the Cambridgeshire Marriage > Index for an appropriate match in that timeframe. > > Regards > Ruth > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Ruth <historyscape@gmail.com> > Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:59:46 +0000 > Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMB] What a Mystery > To: eng-cambridgeshire-l@rootsweb.com > > Hi Janice > > I think that John Pettit and John Poulter are almost definitely one > and the same. I've got two instances of interchangeable surnames in > my Cambridgeshire family too. In one case, I have Joseph PARKER also > known as Joseph THOROGOOD - his mother was married to a PARKER but > living with a THOROGOOD when he was born. The other is a William > HOBBS aka William HOWE - his parents William HOBBS and Alice HOWE > married the year after he was born. The families of both these men > interchanged their surnames over the years appearing as first one and > then the other in various censuses. They both lived in Balsham. I > suspect their backgrounds were so well known in a small place that > various registrars and enumerators differed over which surnames to use > for them. > > Have you found a baptism for John PETTITT als. POULTER yet? > > Best wishes > Ruth > > On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:29:16 -0000, Janice Aitkens > <janice.aitkens1@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > Hello Everyone > > It my Pettit (Pettitt)/ Poulter mystery, Here is what I have & would love to have some thoughts as to what you all think. > > > > 1844 Julia Jane Stigwood marries a John Pettit (signed Pettett) he a labourer have marriage cert. it does not state X for mark of mother > > > > 1851 Census Gives the family as Pettett with parents & children > > > > 1851 5th March I have a birth for a William Poulter (a twin so the record office said) Julia Jane Poulter formerly Stigwood X mark as informant Mother Father's occup Carter > > > > 1857 Hannah Pettit father John Pettit Coal Carter mother Julia Jane Pettit formerly Stigwood > > > > 1861 Census gives the family as Pettit father's occupation Labourer it shows both William & Hannah there plus older children & younger ones. > > > > 1871 Census it shows family as Poulter John's occupation Butcher, Julia is there as is William age 17 Butcher, Hannah 12 plus younger children. > > > > 1875 Hannah marries & gives her as Hannah Poulter father John Butcher (have cert) > > > > 1881 Census family Poulter John a Butcher, Julia is there & a Thomas age 25 Ag Lab & a Samuel age 14 Hannah is a widow with two children > > > > 1884 Hannah remarries in Bloomsbury London gives John Poulter butcher as father (have cert) > > > > 1889 There is a Death of a John Poulter (am waiting on cert) > > > > 1891 Census Julia widow Dealer & butcher there is a son James ag lab age 46 (he only ever shows on 1851 census) Samuel age 28 Butcher > > > > 1891 Census shows a Thomas Pettett age 36 Ag Lab with wife & family > > > > 1899 Samuel Marriage cert give him as Samuel Pettit Poulter Butcher father John Pettit Poulter > > > > 1901 Census shows a Thomas P Poulter ag lab with family does match names with the 1891 census > > > > 1901 Census Samuel age 34 butcher wife Julia 30 & Julia widow age 77 Mother is there > > > > 1903 Death of a Julia Poulter am waiting on Death Cert. > > > > So far I have not found a death for a John Pettit or various spellings & no marriage to a John Poulter. > > > > Would I now be right for what ever reason saying that John Pettit & John Poulter are one of the same & can anyone say why the names change from the different years at first I thought that Julia had remarried but when I was inputting Hannah's birth today & clicked to sort the children I saw that William is a Poulter for sure as I have his birth certificate, I had been looking for Hannah's for years under Poulter because of William's but only just found Hannah (which was very difficult to read on the GRO Index) & received the cert today which confirms not only surname but mother's name both the same. > > > > So any help as how to put this family down as well to what is going on, thanks if you managed to read down to here > > Regards Janice > > > > ==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ==== > > . > > > > >

Hi Ruth No I have not yet found a bapt for John Pettitt (Pettett/Pettetit) as I always thought he was just my GT GT Nan's 1st husband no point in chasing him as Hannah was a Poulter it is only with a great deal of help of Paula of this list that has show me the census which shows about Hannah as I could never find her birth no wonder it was under Pettit which the birth cert shows I do know I have the right one as the mother's maiden name is Stigwood. I could understand changing from one to another but registering the children differently as well I think I have to see if I can find more on the baptism of the children do you know if they are on line I am looking from 1844 onwards as well as earlier for John Pettitt. They say we lead difficult lives today is nothing compared to them lol thanks for your input it is very much appreciated Regards Janice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth" <historyscape@gmail.com> To: <ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMB] What a Mystery > Hi Janice > > I think that John Pettit and John Poulter are almost definitely one > and the same. I've got two instances of interchangeable surnames in > my Cambridgeshire family too. In one case, I have Joseph PARKER also > known as Joseph THOROGOOD - his mother was married to a PARKER but > living with a THOROGOOD when he was born. The other is a William > HOBBS aka William HOWE - his parents William HOBBS and Alice HOWE > married the year after he was born. The families of both these men > interchanged their surnames over the years appearing as first one and > then the other in various censuses. They both lived in Balsham. I > suspect their backgrounds were so well known in a small place that > various registrars and enumerators differed over which surnames to use > for them. > > Have you found a baptism for John PETTITT als. POULTER yet? > > Best wishes > Ruth > > > > > On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:29:16 -0000, Janice Aitkens > <janice.aitkens1@ntlworld.com> wrote: >> Hello Everyone >> It my Pettit (Pettitt)/ Poulter mystery, Here is what I have & would love >> to have some thoughts as to what you all think. >> >> 1844 Julia Jane Stigwood marries a John Pettit (signed Pettett) he a >> labourer have marriage cert. it does not state X for mark of mother >> >> 1851 Census Gives the family as Pettett with parents & children >> >> 1851 5th March I have a birth for a William Poulter (a twin so the record >> office said) Julia Jane Poulter formerly Stigwood X mark as informant >> Mother Father's occup Carter >> >> 1857 Hannah Pettit father John Pettit Coal Carter mother Julia Jane >> Pettit formerly Stigwood >> >> 1861 Census gives the family as Pettit father's occupation Labourer it >> shows both William & Hannah there plus older children & younger ones. >> >> 1871 Census it shows family as Poulter John's occupation Butcher, Julia >> is there as is William age 17 Butcher, Hannah 12 plus younger children. >> >> 1875 Hannah marries & gives her as Hannah Poulter father John Butcher >> (have cert) >> >> 1881 Census family Poulter John a Butcher, Julia is there & a Thomas age >> 25 Ag Lab & a Samuel age 14 Hannah is a widow with two children >> >> 1884 Hannah remarries in Bloomsbury London gives John Poulter butcher as >> father (have cert) >> >> 1889 There is a Death of a John Poulter (am waiting on cert) >> >> 1891 Census Julia widow Dealer & butcher there is a son James ag lab age >> 46 (he only ever shows on 1851 census) Samuel age 28 Butcher >> >> 1891 Census shows a Thomas Pettett age 36 Ag Lab with wife & family >> >> 1899 Samuel Marriage cert give him as Samuel Pettit Poulter Butcher >> father John Pettit Poulter >> >> 1901 Census shows a Thomas P Poulter ag lab with family does match names >> with the 1891 census >> >> 1901 Census Samuel age 34 butcher wife Julia 30 & Julia widow age 77 >> Mother is there >> >> 1903 Death of a Julia Poulter am waiting on Death Cert. >> >> So far I have not found a death for a John Pettit or various spellings & >> no marriage to a John Poulter. >> >> Would I now be right for what ever reason saying that John Pettit & John >> Poulter are one of the same & can anyone say why the names change from >> the different years at first I thought that Julia had remarried but when >> I was inputting Hannah's birth today & clicked to sort the children I saw >> that William is a Poulter for sure as I have his birth certificate, I had >> been looking for Hannah's for years under Poulter because of William's >> but only just found Hannah (which was very difficult to read on the GRO >> Index) & received the cert today which confirms not only surname but >> mother's name both the same. >> >> So any help as how to put this family down as well to what is going on, >> thanks if you managed to read down to here >> Regards Janice >> >> ==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ==== >> . >> >> > > > ==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ==== > . > >

Hello everyone, I am trying to find the birth of James DODSON who was living in Greasley, Notts, in the 1881 census, but said that he was born in Drayton, Cambs, about 1853. According to his marriage certificate, his father was John DODSON, labourer. I think the Drayton is probably Fen Drayton, or possibly Dry Drayton. Does anyone have easy access to the 1861 census for either of these Draytons? James Dodson would have been about 8 in 1861. Any help would be very much appreciated. With thanks. Eileen Flinn Nottingham, England

Hi again Janice Having had a look around, I suspect this is your John in 1841: Upend Hamlet, Kirtling (HO 107/65/4/6B) John Pettitt, 20, Ag Lab, Y Elizebeth Pettitt, 40/45, N Elizebeth Pettitt, 13, Y Elizer Pettitt, 10, Y (sharing house with Elizebeth Fisher, 80/82, N The Cambridgeshire Baptism Index on www.cfhs.org.uk gives probable baptisms for the two girls: 1828 Elizabeth Pettitt, d. of John & Elizabeth, Kirtling 1832 Eliza Pettitt, d. of John & Elizabeth, Kirtling My hypothesis would be that there is a marriage of a John Pettitt and Elizabeth Poulter in Cambridgeshire or nearby Suffolk sometime between 1820 and 1828 and that Elizabeth Poulter had an illegitimate son, John, before her marriage. But obviously this is only guesswork! Perhaps someone on the list could check the Cambridgeshire Marriage Index for an appropriate match in that timeframe. Regards Ruth ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ruth <historyscape@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:59:46 +0000 Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMB] What a Mystery To: eng-cambridgeshire-l@rootsweb.com Hi Janice I think that John Pettit and John Poulter are almost definitely one and the same. I've got two instances of interchangeable surnames in my Cambridgeshire family too. In one case, I have Joseph PARKER also known as Joseph THOROGOOD - his mother was married to a PARKER but living with a THOROGOOD when he was born. The other is a William HOBBS aka William HOWE - his parents William HOBBS and Alice HOWE married the year after he was born. The families of both these men interchanged their surnames over the years appearing as first one and then the other in various censuses. They both lived in Balsham. I suspect their backgrounds were so well known in a small place that various registrars and enumerators differed over which surnames to use for them. Have you found a baptism for John PETTITT als. POULTER yet? Best wishes Ruth On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:29:16 -0000, Janice Aitkens <janice.aitkens1@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Hello Everyone > It my Pettit (Pettitt)/ Poulter mystery, Here is what I have & would love to have some thoughts as to what you all think. > > 1844 Julia Jane Stigwood marries a John Pettit (signed Pettett) he a labourer have marriage cert. it does not state X for mark of mother > > 1851 Census Gives the family as Pettett with parents & children > > 1851 5th March I have a birth for a William Poulter (a twin so the record office said) Julia Jane Poulter formerly Stigwood X mark as informant Mother Father's occup Carter > > 1857 Hannah Pettit father John Pettit Coal Carter mother Julia Jane Pettit formerly Stigwood > > 1861 Census gives the family as Pettit father's occupation Labourer it shows both William & Hannah there plus older children & younger ones. > > 1871 Census it shows family as Poulter John's occupation Butcher, Julia is there as is William age 17 Butcher, Hannah 12 plus younger children. > > 1875 Hannah marries & gives her as Hannah Poulter father John Butcher (have cert) > > 1881 Census family Poulter John a Butcher, Julia is there & a Thomas age 25 Ag Lab & a Samuel age 14 Hannah is a widow with two children > > 1884 Hannah remarries in Bloomsbury London gives John Poulter butcher as father (have cert) > > 1889 There is a Death of a John Poulter (am waiting on cert) > > 1891 Census Julia widow Dealer & butcher there is a son James ag lab age 46 (he only ever shows on 1851 census) Samuel age 28 Butcher > > 1891 Census shows a Thomas Pettett age 36 Ag Lab with wife & family > > 1899 Samuel Marriage cert give him as Samuel Pettit Poulter Butcher father John Pettit Poulter > > 1901 Census shows a Thomas P Poulter ag lab with family does match names with the 1891 census > > 1901 Census Samuel age 34 butcher wife Julia 30 & Julia widow age 77 Mother is there > > 1903 Death of a Julia Poulter am waiting on Death Cert. > > So far I have not found a death for a John Pettit or various spellings & no marriage to a John Poulter. > > Would I now be right for what ever reason saying that John Pettit & John Poulter are one of the same & can anyone say why the names change from the different years at first I thought that Julia had remarried but when I was inputting Hannah's birth today & clicked to sort the children I saw that William is a Poulter for sure as I have his birth certificate, I had been looking for Hannah's for years under Poulter because of William's but only just found Hannah (which was very difficult to read on the GRO Index) & received the cert today which confirms not only surname but mother's name both the same. > > So any help as how to put this family down as well to what is going on, thanks if you managed to read down to here > Regards Janice > > ==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ==== > . > >

Hi Janice I think that John Pettit and John Poulter are almost definitely one and the same. I've got two instances of interchangeable surnames in my Cambridgeshire family too. In one case, I have Joseph PARKER also known as Joseph THOROGOOD - his mother was married to a PARKER but living with a THOROGOOD when he was born. The other is a William HOBBS aka William HOWE - his parents William HOBBS and Alice HOWE married the year after he was born. The families of both these men interchanged their surnames over the years appearing as first one and then the other in various censuses. They both lived in Balsham. I suspect their backgrounds were so well known in a small place that various registrars and enumerators differed over which surnames to use for them. Have you found a baptism for John PETTITT als. POULTER yet? Best wishes Ruth On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:29:16 -0000, Janice Aitkens <janice.aitkens1@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Hello Everyone > It my Pettit (Pettitt)/ Poulter mystery, Here is what I have & would love to have some thoughts as to what you all think. > > 1844 Julia Jane Stigwood marries a John Pettit (signed Pettett) he a labourer have marriage cert. it does not state X for mark of mother > > 1851 Census Gives the family as Pettett with parents & children > > 1851 5th March I have a birth for a William Poulter (a twin so the record office said) Julia Jane Poulter formerly Stigwood X mark as informant Mother Father's occup Carter > > 1857 Hannah Pettit father John Pettit Coal Carter mother Julia Jane Pettit formerly Stigwood > > 1861 Census gives the family as Pettit father's occupation Labourer it shows both William & Hannah there plus older children & younger ones. > > 1871 Census it shows family as Poulter John's occupation Butcher, Julia is there as is William age 17 Butcher, Hannah 12 plus younger children. > > 1875 Hannah marries & gives her as Hannah Poulter father John Butcher (have cert) > > 1881 Census family Poulter John a Butcher, Julia is there & a Thomas age 25 Ag Lab & a Samuel age 14 Hannah is a widow with two children > > 1884 Hannah remarries in Bloomsbury London gives John Poulter butcher as father (have cert) > > 1889 There is a Death of a John Poulter (am waiting on cert) > > 1891 Census Julia widow Dealer & butcher there is a son James ag lab age 46 (he only ever shows on 1851 census) Samuel age 28 Butcher > > 1891 Census shows a Thomas Pettett age 36 Ag Lab with wife & family > > 1899 Samuel Marriage cert give him as Samuel Pettit Poulter Butcher father John Pettit Poulter > > 1901 Census shows a Thomas P Poulter ag lab with family does match names with the 1891 census > > 1901 Census Samuel age 34 butcher wife Julia 30 & Julia widow age 77 Mother is there > > 1903 Death of a Julia Poulter am waiting on Death Cert. > > So far I have not found a death for a John Pettit or various spellings & no marriage to a John Poulter. > > Would I now be right for what ever reason saying that John Pettit & John Poulter are one of the same & can anyone say why the names change from the different years at first I thought that Julia had remarried but when I was inputting Hannah's birth today & clicked to sort the children I saw that William is a Poulter for sure as I have his birth certificate, I had been looking for Hannah's for years under Poulter because of William's but only just found Hannah (which was very difficult to read on the GRO Index) & received the cert today which confirms not only surname but mother's name both the same. > > So any help as how to put this family down as well to what is going on, thanks if you managed to read down to here > Regards Janice > > ==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ==== > . > >

Sent list of Smiths from Cambridge surname lst but was rejected by Rootsweb as to large. stanrolls@blueyonder.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Foster [mailto:liz.foster@xtra.co.nz] Sent: 18 November 2004 00:14 To: ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-CAMB] SMITH family of Cambridgeshire I am searching for the family of WILLIAM SMITH who was born at Soham between 1771 and 1780. His father was WILLIAM and he married, first Ann Fison of Fordham and then Sophia (Maria) Holland after he moved to London. His children were Sir William Smith (Lexicographer) and Rev. Philip Smith BA I would be very pleased to hear from anyone with knowledge of this family. Elizabeth Foster (N.Z.) ==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ==== . --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.796 / Virus Database: 540 - Release Date: 13/11/2004

Hello Everyone It my Pettit (Pettitt)/ Poulter mystery, Here is what I have & would love to have some thoughts as to what you all think. 1844 Julia Jane Stigwood marries a John Pettit (signed Pettett) he a labourer have marriage cert. it does not state X for mark of mother 1851 Census Gives the family as Pettett with parents & children 1851 5th March I have a birth for a William Poulter (a twin so the record office said) Julia Jane Poulter formerly Stigwood X mark as informant Mother Father's occup Carter 1857 Hannah Pettit father John Pettit Coal Carter mother Julia Jane Pettit formerly Stigwood 1861 Census gives the family as Pettit father's occupation Labourer it shows both William & Hannah there plus older children & younger ones. 1871 Census it shows family as Poulter John's occupation Butcher, Julia is there as is William age 17 Butcher, Hannah 12 plus younger children. 1875 Hannah marries & gives her as Hannah Poulter father John Butcher (have cert) 1881 Census family Poulter John a Butcher, Julia is there & a Thomas age 25 Ag Lab & a Samuel age 14 Hannah is a widow with two children 1884 Hannah remarries in Bloomsbury London gives John Poulter butcher as father (have cert) 1889 There is a Death of a John Poulter (am waiting on cert) 1891 Census Julia widow Dealer & butcher there is a son James ag lab age 46 (he only ever shows on 1851 census) Samuel age 28 Butcher 1891 Census shows a Thomas Pettett age 36 Ag Lab with wife & family 1899 Samuel Marriage cert give him as Samuel Pettit Poulter Butcher father John Pettit Poulter 1901 Census shows a Thomas P Poulter ag lab with family does match names with the 1891 census 1901 Census Samuel age 34 butcher wife Julia 30 & Julia widow age 77 Mother is there 1903 Death of a Julia Poulter am waiting on Death Cert. So far I have not found a death for a John Pettit or various spellings & no marriage to a John Poulter. Would I now be right for what ever reason saying that John Pettit & John Poulter are one of the same & can anyone say why the names change from the different years at first I thought that Julia had remarried but when I was inputting Hannah's birth today & clicked to sort the children I saw that William is a Poulter for sure as I have his birth certificate, I had been looking for Hannah's for years under Poulter because of William's but only just found Hannah (which was very difficult to read on the GRO Index) & received the cert today which confirms not only surname but mother's name both the same. So any help as how to put this family down as well to what is going on, thanks if you managed to read down to here Regards Janice

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann McClean" <home@ann-mcclean.mid-wales.net> To: <ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 9:41 PM Subject: [ENG-CAMB] Re: lack of postings > There has been major problems with one of the Rootsweb server > machines and quite a few lists have been affected, including my own > "PALMER_East_Anglia" list - so don't worry. > Everything is now getting back to normal - although it doesn't help that > my because of the extremely wet weather we're having at the moment, > my BT line has gone AWOL again :( > > Regards, Ann McClean > in Llanmerewig, Mid-Wales, U.K. > palmer@ann-mcclean.mid-wales.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Owner PALMER-EAST-ANGLIA-UK-L@rootsweb.com > For the discussion and sharing of information regarding the PALMER > surname in Cambridgeshire, Norfolk, Suffolk, Huntingdonshire, > South Lincolnshire, and the borders with Essex and Bedfordshire. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > CAWTHORN, SCOTT, & DeSILVA PALMER Family History Pages: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cawthorn/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Phil Goude > To: ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 12:51 PM > Subject: hi > > > What has happened to all the listers emails. I sent one off for information on Goude/Goode etc the other day and have had no answers nor have I had this one sent to me as a subscriber. > Anyone know why > Regards > Eunice Goude > > ______________________________ > > > ==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ==== > . > >

Hi Sarah, There's good news and bad news! I had a better look at the Haddenham census and found Read and Hannah Read Johnson head 45 farmer Haddenham Hannah wife 47 Haddenham Elizth Jane gdau 2 Haddenham All living at what looks like Cracknell. No George there. I found another couple of Burton families living next door to each other in Hill row, William Burton head 59 Thatcher Haddenham Mary wife 61 Haddenham Martha dau inm 22 Haddenham William son 19 Carpenter's app. Haddenham Joseph Burton 55 lab Haddenham Elizabeth wife 42 Sutton Joseph son 17 Sutton The Burton family I told you about in the previous email were living at hill row and they were all born in Haddenham. On closer look of the surname it could be Ruston. Elizabeth Johnson is 69 lodger pauper widower born Aldsett? living at Private House, the home of Sarrah (2 rs) Uffindell unm 33 ( definately 30 something and I think it is 33) Governess born Haddenham. I hope that helps a bit. Probably confuses things even more! Best wishes Mo ----- Original Message ----- From: Sarah Spink To: ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 5:12 PM Subject: RE: [ENG-CAMB] Elizabeth BURTON Haddenham 1861 Lookup Request Please Hi Mo, Many thanks, that is the right BURTON family and it looks like Betsey lived to be at least 12 so she is a possibility. The younger Eliza would be only 14/15 in 1873 and she may be still unmarried and working in Cambridge in 1881. I can't find this Betsey in later censuses. George JOHNSON that I found in 1851 age 1 month had parents Read and Hannah JOHNSON. This age and place of birth ties in with the army records of the one which is definitely the father of the child born in 1873. In 1871 Read, Annie (Hannah) and a daughter Jane age 12 years were living in Long Drove, Hadddenham. The Elizabeth JOHNSON pauper if circa 75 years old is Read's mother. Interesting that she is living with an UFFINDELL. Please could you send me a bit more info on Sarah UFFINDELL as there are 2 of same age on 1851 census, one married, one single just in case there is a link between Elizabeth and Sarah. Cheers Sarah ==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ==== .

Hi Mo, Many thanks, that is the right BURTON family and it looks like Betsey lived to be at least 12 so she is a possibility. The younger Eliza would be only 14/15 in 1873 and she may be still unmarried and working in Cambridge in 1881. I can't find this Betsey in later censuses. George JOHNSON that I found in 1851 age 1 month had parents Read and Hannah JOHNSON. This age and place of birth ties in with the army records of the one which is definitely the father of the child born in 1873. In 1871 Read, Annie (Hannah) and a daughter Jane age 12 years were living in Long Drove, Hadddenham. The Elizabeth JOHNSON pauper if circa 75 years old is Read's mother. Interesting that she is living with an UFFINDELL. Please could you send me a bit more info on Sarah UFFINDELL as there are 2 of same age on 1851 census, one married, one single just in case there is a link between Elizabeth and Sarah. Cheers Sarah

Hi Mike HO 107/1766 295A South Brink Wisbech, St. Peter Mary HUTCHINSON H Widow 40 Ag Lab CAM Elm Henry H CRANE S U 16 Ag Lab CAM Elm John HUTCHINSON S U 12 Ag Lab CAM Elm Rhuben HUTCHINSON S U 8 CAM Elm Thomas HUTCHINSON S U 6 CAM Elm Note Henry's surname From CFHS Searchable databases http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html In 1841 HUTCHESON Tho 30 Elm HO107/78/1 5B HUTCHESON Mary 30 Elm HO107/78/1 5B HUTCHESON Jno 2 Elm HO107/78/1 5B HUTCHESON Sarah 9m Elm HO107/78/1 5B These CRANEs have the same reference CRANE Geo 15 Elm HO107/78/1 5B CRANE Robt 12 Elm HO107/78/1 5B CRANE Hy 6 Elm HO107/78/1 5B *** Henry Good Luck Sarah Spink

Hi Sarah, I had a look at the 1861 for Haddenham. I found the following BURTON family which looks hopeful Henry Burton head 42 Thatcher? Sarah 40 Mary 18 John 16 Sarah 14 Betsey 12 Newell 5 Hepher? (dau) 4 Eliza 2 Henry 8 months. I was in a bit of a hurry and didn't note all the details but can have a better look later if you want. I didn't see George but found the following Johnsons Richard Johnson innkeeper 62 freom Sawtry, Hunts Ansius? wife 61 from Haddenham Mary g dau 6 also Elizabeth Johnson lodger pauper living at home of Sarah Uffindell. Best Wishes Mo ----- Original Message ----- From: Sarah Spink To: ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:05 AM Subject: [ENG-CAMB] Elizabeth BURTON Haddenham 1861 Lookup Request Please Hi all I have just rejoined the list after a long break from family history having been concentrating on researching local history near to where I live. I have had a lot of trouble tying to trace the marriage of a George JOHNSON known to be from Haddenham and an Elizabeth BURTON possibly also from Haddenham. I have searched www.1837online.com, CAMDEX, FreeBMD etc and would like to see if there was a suitable Elizabeth in Haddenham in 1861 and who her family was. Their son was born in December 1873 which gave the mother's name as Elizabeth JOHNSON formerly BURTON, suggesting that they had married. Please could SKS with access to the Haddenham 1861 census fiche have a quick Check to see if there is an Elizabeth BURTON or similar (Eliza/Betsy etc) living in Haddenham parish at that time. I know there is an Eliza BURTON age 2 living Hillrow on the 1851 census but I don't know if she survived. Also if you could find George in 1861 as well that would be great. In 1851 he was 1 month old and living Johnson's House, Hillrow, Delph Drove, Haddenham. I have his details for 1871 and 1881. Elizabeth has not been found in 1871 yet despite checking on Ancestry.Com. By 1881 she had died. Many thanks, Sarah Spink Berkshire ==== ENG-CAMBRIDGESHIRE Mailing List ==== .

Hi Sara Many thanks, I guess the enumerator wrote down what he heard, both John's baptism record in Elm and Mary's death certificate give the surname as Hutchesson, and this is the surname that is still in use by the family in Australia. Regards and thanks again Mike

Hi all I have just rejoined the list after a long break from family history having been concentrating on researching local history near to where I live. I have had a lot of trouble tying to trace the marriage of a George JOHNSON known to be from Haddenham and an Elizabeth BURTON possibly also from Haddenham. I have searched www.1837online.com, CAMDEX, FreeBMD etc and would like to see if there was a suitable Elizabeth in Haddenham in 1861 and who her family was. Their son was born in December 1873 which gave the mother's name as Elizabeth JOHNSON formerly BURTON, suggesting that they had married. Please could SKS with access to the Haddenham 1861 census fiche have a quick Check to see if there is an Elizabeth BURTON or similar (Eliza/Betsy etc) living in Haddenham parish at that time. I know there is an Eliza BURTON age 2 living Hillrow on the 1851 census but I don't know if she survived. Also if you could find George in 1861 as well that would be great. In 1851 he was 1 month old and living Johnson's House, Hillrow, Delph Drove, Haddenham. I have his details for 1871 and 1881. Elizabeth has not been found in 1871 yet despite checking on Ancestry.Com. By 1881 she had died. Many thanks, Sarah Spink Berkshire

Hi Andrea According to the CFHS 1851 Census Cambs and Isle of Ely CD In 1851, 9 years earlier, Lydia RUTTER is living in Kingston with her family Parish Kingston HO 107/1758 402A Cottage House Thomas RUTTER H M 56 Ag Lab CAM Kingston Lydia RUTTER Wf M 53 CAM Needsworth Thomas RUTTER S S 9 Ag Lab CAM Kingston Martha RUTTER D S 7 Schol CAM Kingston NB most of the addresses in Kingston are given as Cottage House so I'd guess it was a description of the dwelling rather than name of the house. Samuel and his family are also in Kingston and Mary is still alive then - age 45. Could she be Deaths Sep 1878 ------------------------------------- Lindsay Mary 74 Caxton 3b 297 Hope this helps, Sarah Spink

Could SKS please give me the full 1851 census entry for Mary Hutchesson and her family in Wisbech. She is a widow aged 40/41 and died later that year at South Brink Wisbech St Peter, the should be at least on child John aged 12/13. Regards and TIA Mike Hutchinson