SS. PETER AND PAUL, WISBECH OUR SUNDAY SCHOOL - It is with much regret that we chronicle a great loss to our staff of teachers. Miss Jane MITCHELL, who has so long been a most valuable and successful worker in this parish, has for some time been unwell, and at last has felt compelled to return to her home in the more genial climate of Devonshire, where we earnestly hope she will soon regain her health and strength; and Mr Frank CLARKE, who has for the last two years and a half done excellent work both in the school and institute, sailed on Friday last for Australia; may he meet with every success and prosperity in his new life. They both carry away with them tokens of the regard and esteem in which they are held by their fellow workers and scholars. Baptisms - Sept 7th, Ann Eliza HUNT, Arthur HUNT, Frederick HUNT, Grace Mary HUNT, Robert Henry HUNT, Eliza Agnes WRIGHT, Frances Louisa SCOTT 13th, Susan TALES Marriages - Sept 14th, John CAWTHORN to Martha JONES, of Wisbech John Edward COPELAND to Jessie Louisa CARTER, of Wisbech Burials - Sept 3rd, Elizabeth ADAMS, aged 95 years 10th, Amelia WARREN, aged 8 months 11th, Alice Rebecca WHITEHEAD, aged 41 years 19th, Harriet Frances KING, aged 56 years S. AUGUSTINE'S, WISBECH Baptisms - Aug 10th, Irene Roberta PYKE 15th, Stanley Lloyd BRISTOW 31st, Clara MARTINEAU. Alfred Henry MARTINEAU. Eliza ELMS Sept 16th, Martin PLUMB, Francis Clarkson PLUMB 19th, Rowland Kingsley GILLING Weddings - Aug 4th, Benjamin WALKER to Sarah LOWE 17th, Herbert WHITE to Elizabeth JARVIS 20th, George Frederick Vincent BEDMORE to Ellen HOLMAN 27th, Frederick Charles PEVERETT to Melissa BRADLEY Sept 23rd, Thomas Henry DOBBS to Emma Elizabeth MONKS 28th, John BRISTON to Louisa BROWN COLDHAM George FLETCHER, Chorister, son of Mr Wm FLETCHER, Choirman, Treasurer of the Provident and Dividing Club, was thrown down under the wheel of a waggon, which passing over his thigh broke it in two places. Much sympathy has been evinced with the young sufferer; and his leading voice is missed from the choir, of which he is a most regular and useful member. We shall be glad to see him in his place again. ELM Baptism - 14th Sept, Herbert William, son of George and Sarah Ann SMITH Burials - 7th Sept, John LYNN, aged 77 years 15th, Hannah BOOTH, 34 years FRIDAYBRIDGE Baptisms - Aug 31st, John William, son of Thomas and Mary Elizabeth HOUSDEN same day, Eleanor HOUSDEN, who had been baptized privately, was received into the Church Sept 28th, Mabel, daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth Ann LOUGHTON GUYHIRN with RING'S END and THORNEY TOLL Baptisms - Aug 31st, Mabel Annie, daughter of John William and Sarah Elizabeth MOYSES Sept 17th, Arthur and Alfred, sons of William and Sarah Elizabeth LOVELL George William, son of George and Mary Elizabeth CARR LEVERINGTON Basptism - Sept 7th, Rose Ellen, daughter of Henry and Sarah SHEPHERD Burial - Sept 3rd, Florence LANGFORD, aged 4 years SOUTHEA with MURROW Southea Baptisms - Aug 24th, Annie POYNER, Florence CURTIS, Annie TURNER, Charlotte Millicent EWING, Sarah TITE, Sarah BIRD, Jessie CARPENTER, Minnie MORTIMER, Emily Ellen PARKER, Mary BEDLE These children come from Dr Barnardo's Home and (with the exception of the first two, who were known to be unbaptized,) were baptized conditionally, as no reliable information could be obtained about them. Murrow Baptisms - Aug 3rd, George William LIQUORICE Sept 7th, Harold CROWSON TYDD S GILES We should like to place on record a very pleasing event which took place in connection with Miss Dora CHARLTON's Wedding. The teachers and the scholars of the Anchor sunday School presented her with a beautifully bound Bible in affectionate remembrance of her faithful services among them - now more than eight years ago. We feel confident that Mrs EDWARDS will deeply value this gift, and we heartily congratulate her on her marriage, and on retaining the affections of so many after the lapse of so many years. Baptisms - Aug 24th, Alexander, son of Alexander William and Ellen Louisa CURSON Sept 19th, Frederick, son of Frederick and Charlotte GODFREY 20th, Etheldreda Gordon, son of Gordon and Laura WOODGATE Burials - July 31st, Walter GRANGE ( NOBLE), aged 12 years Aug 20th, Thomas ASKEW, aged 82 years 27th, Mary SADD, aged 80 years Sept 2nd, Bertie JOHNSON, aged 11 months WISBECH S. MARY Baptised - August 31st, Priscilla Maud, daughter of John and Ann Ellen BARSBY High, son of Matthew Tempest and Susannah PIGOT Sept 3rd, Annie Maria BROWNE

Maybe your ISP thinks that Rootsweb is a spammer because it is sending out multiple copies of the same message at the same time just like a spammer does! Paula ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roslyn Macgregor" <[email protected]> To: "Cambridgeshire List" <eng[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 7:22 PM Subject: [ENG-CAMS] for Paula Patterson > Hi, Paula. Thanks so much for the info. > > One of your two e-mails went into my SPAM box with something like "phish" > before it - and then when I tried to reply to you, that went into my spam > box, too. > > I don't know what it means... but I"ll check my computer - maybe you need > to check yours, too? Weird - as one came through fine. > > I check my spam box and delete box many times a day, because when I > upgraded my McAfee to total protection, it rejects some with no apparent > reason, AND it won't send out my group e-mail... grrr.. > > Thanks again for your help, > Ros > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.14/658 - Release Date: > 29/01/2007 14:49 > >

Hello I'm looking for any information on the names DE AUDERVILLE and STUBBLEFIELD/STUBBERFELD/STUBBLESFIELD and other various spellings. Family legends have the STUBBLEFIELD name was changed from DE AUDERVILLE after the Normandy Conquest and was wandering if any other STUBBLEFIELDS out there has heard of this story. Thanks

Hi Everyone. How are you. Is there anyone in this group related to the Pymont Family. If so I have info. >From Annette.

Hi Ros I have Philip b1813 Histon in my tree. The info I have is that he married Mary b. c1814 in Westwick, but I don't have a date for the marriage or Mary's surname. I have 3 children from the marriage so far - Philip b. c1842; Daniel b. c1849 & Mary Ann b. c1855, all in Histon. I may have missed Eliza, I must go back and check! I have parents & grandparents for Philip (1813), as my husband is a direct descendant of them. Lynn Cowan has very kindly sent me details in the past from her Parish register fiche. (Thanks again, Lynn!) And I have been transcribing the Oakington marriage register for FreeREG. At the moment I'm working on the Histon marriage PR but haven't yet got to any Papworths, as I'm only up to 1650, and they don't show up there until about 1795. If you have any more info that you would like to share I should be very pleased to hear from you. Meanwhile I shall start searching again! Lesley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roslyn Macgregor" <[email protected]> To: "Cambridgeshire List" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:43 PM Subject: [ENG-CAMS] PHILIP PAPWORTH + MARY ? Histon or? > Hello everyone. I'm just putting together what I've got for my cousin in > Devon. Going back on his mother's side. Philip Papworth, born abt 1813 in > Histon, Cambridgeshire (Chesterton as registration district?) married > Mary, > I think, and had many children. One, Eliza (born abt July 1837) was my > cousin's grandmother. > > I can't find a marriage of Philip and Mary from 1837 when registration > began. Or on IGI. So, I wonderd if anyone has access to those records from > say 1833 to 1827, first two 1/4s? Eliza may have been born in Impington, > but > all brothers and sisters seem to have been born in Histon. > > So, really - to narrow it down - am looking to see who Philip married and > when. > > Thanks for any help, > Ros in icy cold Montreal > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, Paula. Thanks so much for the info. One of your two e-mails went into my SPAM box with something like "phish" before it - and then when I tried to reply to you, that went into my spam box, too. I don't know what it means... but I"ll check my computer - maybe you need to check yours, too? Weird - as one came through fine. I check my spam box and delete box many times a day, because when I upgraded my McAfee to total protection, it rejects some with no apparent reason, AND it won't send out my group e-mail... grrr.. Thanks again for your help, Ros

Hi, Lesley. I'll be glad to send you what I have - and will do it tonight when I come home. Thanks so much for your help. And, if anyone else would like the info - I have Papworths, some Chapmans - though haven't been able to go as far back with them... and bits on the people whose families married Papworths. I'm wondering what resources some of you have that provide the extra info, and if it's something available... both for Cambridge and other counties?? Thanks for your help! I'm so glad we've found her! Ros

Hi Ros Could this be the marriage on the IGI PHILIP PAPWORTH Marriages: Spouse: Mary THOMPSON Marriage: 21 FEB 1832 Bluntisham Cum Earith, Huntingdon, England. Batch No: 7806538 Sheet: 45 Source Call No: 1126301 It was not unusual to cross the border to get married. I have found that in my line with quite a few from Cambrigeshire and visa versa for Hunts. regards Lynn Genealogy is like playing hide and seek. They hide and I seek..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roslyn Macgregor" <[email protected]> To: "Cambridgeshire List" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:13 AM Subject: [ENG-CAMS] PHILIP PAPWORTH + MARY ? Histon or? > Hello everyone. I'm just putting together what I've got for my cousin in > Devon. Going back on his mother's side. Philip Papworth, born abt 1813 in > Histon, Cambridgeshire (Chesterton as registration district?) married > Mary, > I think, and had many children. One, Eliza (born abt July 1837) was my > cousin's grandmother. > > I can't find a marriage of Philip and Mary from 1837 when registration > began. Or on IGI. So, I wonderd if anyone has access to those records from > say 1833 to 1827, first two 1/4s? Eliza may have been born in Impington, > but > all brothers and sisters seem to have been born in Histon. > > So, really - to narrow it down - am looking to see who Philip married and > when. > > Thanks for any help, > Ros in icy cold Montreal > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Ros I have found in the Histon parish index on my fiche this. Philip PAPWORTH baptised HISTON 4 Jul 1813. Son of Daniel & Mary. Daniel's occupation was Butcher. Eliza PAPWORTH baptised HISTON 5 May 1839. Dau of Philip & Mary. Philip's occupation was Butcher. I searched Histon, Coton, Cottenham, Oakington, Longstanton All Saints, Longstanton St Michaels and Girton and did not find a marriage for Philip PAPWORTH. Good luck Regards Lynn Genealogy is like playing hide and seek. They hide and I seek..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roslyn Macgregor" <[email protected]> To: "Cambridgeshire List" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:13 AM Subject: [ENG-CAMS] PHILIP PAPWORTH + MARY ? Histon or? > Hello everyone. I'm just putting together what I've got for my cousin in > Devon. Going back on his mother's side. Philip Papworth, born abt 1813 in > Histon, Cambridgeshire (Chesterton as registration district?) married > Mary, > I think, and had many children. One, Eliza (born abt July 1837) was my > cousin's grandmother. > > I can't find a marriage of Philip and Mary from 1837 when registration > began. Or on IGI. So, I wonderd if anyone has access to those records from > say 1833 to 1827, first two 1/4s? Eliza may have been born in Impington, > but > all brothers and sisters seem to have been born in Histon. > > So, really - to narrow it down - am looking to see who Philip married and > when. > > Thanks for any help, > Ros in icy cold Montreal > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

And this fits well with Mary being Mary DOGGETT given that Phillip's wife Mary has Westwick as her place of birth in at least 2 censuses....... >From the CFHS indices Baptisms 1813 Mary DOGGETT abode Westwick d of William & Sarah baptised at Oakington 1814 Sarah DOGGETT abode Westwick d of William & Sarah baptised at Oakington 1818 William DOGGETT abode Westwick s of William & Sarah baptised at Oakington Paula ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paula Patterson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] PHILIP PAPWORTH + MARY ? Histon or? > This one looks more likely especially as they had two goes at calling a > child Frederick Doggett PAPWORTH (in 1851 and 1853) > > 28th December 1834 Holy Trinity, Cambridge > Groom: Philip PAPWORTH of Histon in this county > Bride: Mary DOGGETT otp > By licence > Witnesses: Eliza TURNER, John COXALL > > Paula > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynn & Tony Cowan" <[email protected]> > To: "Roslyn Macgregor" <[email protected]>; > <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:38 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] PHILIP PAPWORTH + MARY ? Histon or? > > >> Hi Ros >> >> Could this be the marriage on the IGI >> >> PHILIP PAPWORTH >> Marriages: >> Spouse: Mary THOMPSON >> Marriage: 21 FEB 1832 Bluntisham Cum Earith, Huntingdon, England. >> >> Batch No: 7806538 >> Sheet: 45 >> Source Call No: 1126301 >> >> It was not unusual to cross the border to get married. I have found that >> in >> my line with quite a few from Cambrigeshire and visa versa for Hunts. >> >> regards Lynn >> Genealogy is like playing hide and seek. They hide and I seek..... >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Roslyn Macgregor" <[email protected]> >> To: "Cambridgeshire List" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:13 AM >> Subject: [ENG-CAMS] PHILIP PAPWORTH + MARY ? Histon or? >> >> >>> Hello everyone. I'm just putting together what I've got for my cousin in >>> Devon. Going back on his mother's side. Philip Papworth, born abt 1813 >>> in >>> Histon, Cambridgeshire (Chesterton as registration district?) married >>> Mary, >>> I think, and had many children. One, Eliza (born abt July 1837) was my >>> cousin's grandmother. >>> >>> I can't find a marriage of Philip and Mary from 1837 when registration >>> began. Or on IGI. So, I wonderd if anyone has access to those records >>> from >>> say 1833 to 1827, first two 1/4s? Eliza may have been born in Impington, >>> but >>> all brothers and sisters seem to have been born in Histon. >>> >>> So, really - to narrow it down - am looking to see who Philip married >>> and >>> when. >>> >>> Thanks for any help, >>> Ros in icy cold Montreal >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> -- >> This email has been verified as Virus free >> Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/655 - Release Date: >> 28/01/2007 13:12 >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/655 - Release Date: > 28/01/2007 13:12 > >

This one looks more likely especially as they had two goes at calling a child Frederick Doggett PAPWORTH (in 1851 and 1853) 28th December 1834 Holy Trinity, Cambridge Groom: Philip PAPWORTH of Histon in this county Bride: Mary DOGGETT otp By licence Witnesses: Eliza TURNER, John COXALL Paula ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn & Tony Cowan" <[email protected]> To: "Roslyn Macgregor" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:38 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] PHILIP PAPWORTH + MARY ? Histon or? > Hi Ros > > Could this be the marriage on the IGI > > PHILIP PAPWORTH > Marriages: > Spouse: Mary THOMPSON > Marriage: 21 FEB 1832 Bluntisham Cum Earith, Huntingdon, England. > > Batch No: 7806538 > Sheet: 45 > Source Call No: 1126301 > > It was not unusual to cross the border to get married. I have found that > in > my line with quite a few from Cambrigeshire and visa versa for Hunts. > > regards Lynn > Genealogy is like playing hide and seek. They hide and I seek..... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roslyn Macgregor" <[email protected]> > To: "Cambridgeshire List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:13 AM > Subject: [ENG-CAMS] PHILIP PAPWORTH + MARY ? Histon or? > > >> Hello everyone. I'm just putting together what I've got for my cousin in >> Devon. Going back on his mother's side. Philip Papworth, born abt 1813 in >> Histon, Cambridgeshire (Chesterton as registration district?) married >> Mary, >> I think, and had many children. One, Eliza (born abt July 1837) was my >> cousin's grandmother. >> >> I can't find a marriage of Philip and Mary from 1837 when registration >> began. Or on IGI. So, I wonderd if anyone has access to those records >> from >> say 1833 to 1827, first two 1/4s? Eliza may have been born in Impington, >> but >> all brothers and sisters seem to have been born in Histon. >> >> So, really - to narrow it down - am looking to see who Philip married and >> when. >> >> Thanks for any help, >> Ros in icy cold Montreal >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/655 - Release Date: > 28/01/2007 13:12 > >

Dear Paula - yes - that must be it - thanks so very much. Now to trace a bit... can't do much without the maiden name... Thanks again, Ros ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paula Patterson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 5:05 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] PHILIP PAPWORTH + MARY ? Histon or? > This one looks more likely especially as they had two goes at calling a > child Frederick Doggett PAPWORTH (in 1851 and 1853) > > 28th December 1834 Holy Trinity, Cambridge > Groom: Philip PAPWORTH of Histon in this county > Bride: Mary DOGGETT otp > By licence > Witnesses: Eliza TURNER, John COXALL > > Paula > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynn & Tony Cowan" <[email protected]> > To: "Roslyn Macgregor" <[email protected]>; > <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:38 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] PHILIP PAPWORTH + MARY ? Histon or? > > >> Hi Ros >> >> Could this be the marriage on the IGI >> >> PHILIP PAPWORTH >> Marriages: >> Spouse: Mary THOMPSON >> Marriage: 21 FEB 1832 Bluntisham Cum Earith, Huntingdon, England. >> >> Batch No: 7806538 >> Sheet: 45 >> Source Call No: 1126301 >> >> It was not unusual to cross the border to get married. I have found that >> in >> my line with quite a few from Cambrigeshire and visa versa for Hunts. >> >> regards Lynn >> Genealogy is like playing hide and seek. They hide and I seek..... >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Roslyn Macgregor" <[email protected]> >> To: "Cambridgeshire List" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:13 AM >> Subject: [ENG-CAMS] PHILIP PAPWORTH + MARY ? Histon or? >> >> >>> Hello everyone. I'm just putting together what I've got for my cousin in >>> Devon. Going back on his mother's side. Philip Papworth, born abt 1813 >>> in >>> Histon, Cambridgeshire (Chesterton as registration district?) married >>> Mary, >>> I think, and had many children. One, Eliza (born abt July 1837) was my >>> cousin's grandmother. >>> >>> I can't find a marriage of Philip and Mary from 1837 when registration >>> began. Or on IGI. So, I wonderd if anyone has access to those records >>> from >>> say 1833 to 1827, first two 1/4s? Eliza may have been born in Impington, >>> but >>> all brothers and sisters seem to have been born in Histon. >>> >>> So, really - to narrow it down - am looking to see who Philip married >>> and >>> when. >>> >>> Thanks for any help, >>> Ros in icy cold Montreal >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> -- >> This email has been verified as Virus free >> Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/655 - Release Date: >> 28/01/2007 13:12 >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hi david thanks for the reply and info --- David <[email protected]> wrote: > In 1841 Henry's occupation looks to be Farmer. I > must confess that if I had been the transcriber I > too would have transcribed Rachel as Machal, the > same as Ancestry! > > Cambs FHS has an excellent website at > http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html which includes a > baptism index 1801-37. As they seem to have married > at Whittlesey (member submission, therefore > unreliable, on IGI) perhaps that was Henry's home > parish rather than Ann's. The baptism index has a > Henry baptised in 1806 in Whittlesey which could > just fit with an 1841 census age of 30 ie if he was > born in the second half of 1806 he would have been > 34 in June 1841 which would have been rounded down > to 30 in the census. > > Sawtry All Saints burials on the NBI only go up to > 1837 so you would need to check the parish register. > There's a death on FreeBMD of Henry Jones in the > March quarter 1847 in Huntingdon registration > district (which includes Sawtry). This is the only > death of a Henry Jones in Hunts 1841-61. Similarly > there are two Ann Jones deaths in Hunts in the same > period, the first of which was in June 1844 in > Huntingdon registration district. > > Regards > > David > > Shell Leo <[email protected]> a écrit : Henry > Jones born c. 1811 in Cambridgeshire. He married > Ann Rowell born c.1806 Huntington. We have found a > record of their marriage on 1 May 1826. > > On the 1871 Census Henry is shown as being 30 but is > unclear what occupation he holds. Ann is shown as > being 35. At this time they have six children living > with them, Henry (8), William (13), Thomas (10), > Sarah > (6), John (3) and Rachel mis-transcribed as Machel > (15). > > Unfortunately we have been unable to trace a death > date for Henry mainly because of the name being very > common during this time, however we have a date of > c. > 1847 for Ann. > > Generation 3 > Rachel Jones who was born c.1826 and baptised on 8 > March 1828. She married William Peach on 8 November > 1842 by Banns in the parish of Sawtrey All Saints, > Huntington. What is interesting is that in the age > column on the marriage certificate it states that > both > William and Rachel were under age. This is > interesting > and draws many more questions than it answers. > > On the 1841 Census Rachel is shown as being aged 15 > and living with her parents Henry and Ann along with > her siblings. (Please see census information for > Henry) > On the 1851 Census Rachel is shown as being 24. > William is shown as being 28 and a farm labourer. At > this time they have two children Susan (6) a scholar > and Thomas (2). > > hi just thought i would re post my jones limited > info > from camb thanks Michele > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate > in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses > à toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, > des opinions et des expériences des internautes sur > Yahoo! Questions/Réponses. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html

Hi List Would like to contact other SIMKIN researchers regarding a possible John & Catherine SIMKIN who married early 1720/30's and possibly disappeared from Cambridgeshire records.... I have a possible John & Catherine who ended up in Leicestershire where they died 1730/40's who seem to of had a couple of children die in Hallaton as well. These 2 kids seem to correspond with a possible christening found on the IGI to a John & Kath - 1 in Horninghold LEI and the other from Cambridgeshire. If the Cambridge John & Kath stayed in Cambridge then i can rule them out going to Hallaton Leic. any takers...? regards Heather Macdonald (nee Simkin) NSW Australia

Hello everyone. I'm just putting together what I've got for my cousin in Devon. Going back on his mother's side. Philip Papworth, born abt 1813 in Histon, Cambridgeshire (Chesterton as registration district?) married Mary, I think, and had many children. One, Eliza (born abt July 1837) was my cousin's grandmother. I can't find a marriage of Philip and Mary from 1837 when registration began. Or on IGI. So, I wonderd if anyone has access to those records from say 1833 to 1827, first two 1/4s? Eliza may have been born in Impington, but all brothers and sisters seem to have been born in Histon. So, really - to narrow it down - am looking to see who Philip married and when. Thanks for any help, Ros in icy cold Montreal

Looking at the 1851 census there is an Elizabeth ARCH (transcribed as Elizabeth SICK) aged 53 Widow Dressmaker born Sawston, Cambs living in Balsham with a Charlotte BLANKS Lodger Unmarried Carpenter's daur, age 23 b East Road, Barnwell, Cambridge, Cambs (reference HO107/1761/386/16). Given that William ARCH married Charlotte BLANKS a few months later it would seem more than likely that this latter Elizabeth ARCH was William's mother and the age makes more sense as well! According to Camdex http://www2.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/db/riddeaths.nsf/search?OpenForm there were 4 deaths of an Elizabeth ARCH in Balsham before 1881. The one who died in 1846 was aged 31, the ones who died in 1855 were aged 0 and 2 years and the one who died in 1860 was aged 63. There was also a death in 1841 in Balsham for a William ARCH age 46. The 1851 census and death entry imply a year of birth around 1797 for Elizabeth and so I went looking in Sawston for likely LOFTS families. In fact only one LOFTS couple had children baptised in Sawston........ Banns were read for John LOFTS of Sawston and Mary TAYLOR of Balsham on 2 July 1797 in Sawston. I can't see a marriage but it is likely it happened shortly after this in Balsham. 5 children are shown as being baptised in Sawston with John & Mary LOFTS as parents and they were: Elizabeth born 8 Jan, baptised 9 April 1798 John born 23 April, bap 5 May 1799 Richard born 27 Jan, bap 5 April 1801 Peter born 21 Jan, bap 6 Mar 1803 William born 14 April bap 13 May 1804 William and John senior died in 1805 and Peter died in 1826, and all 3 were buried in Sawston. Mary LOFTS seems to have remarried on 27 Oct 1825 in Sawston. The groom was John RAYNER who was a widower and the bride Mary LOFTS widow. The witnesses were Richard BRAZIER, Sarah FITCH and Mary REYNOLDS. Mary RAYNER was buried in Sawston on 18 Mar 1840 age 64 HTH Paula

Hello to David and Paula, Thank you so much for all the digging you have done on my behalf. Both of you went above and beyond! I'm actually researching this tree for a friend and he is going to be very pleased. The Cambs FHS website is fantastic, especially for us who are "away". David's random thoughts weren't really so random - right on the money. And thanks to Paula pointing me in the direction of Charlotte BLANKS on the 1851 census with her future mother-in-law Elizabeth ARCH - I should have thought of that but didn't. My friend is descended from William's second wife so I wasn't as concerned with Charlotte as I should have been. Good lesson! I'm in this genealogy thing by myself but I'm not alone as long as kind people on lists are willing to be a sounding board for ideas. Thanks again. Regards, Janet Bush (Ontario, Canada)

Hi Janet If you haven't already found it, a good starting point for Cambs research for the period in question is the excellent Cambs FHS website at http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html Some random thoughts: - the minimum age for a girl to marry in 1819 was 12, but in practice there were very few marriages where the bride was as young as this - more likely that Elizabeth's age in 1841 is an enumeration error, and she was actually older. Her death certificate should give her age - FreeBMD has deaths of an Elizabeth Arch in the Dec quarter 1842 and another in March quarter 1846 in Linton registration district which includes Balsham. Balsham parish register burials might give the same detail. - there are no Elizabeth burials on the Cambs FHS burial index which fit, but possibly she died between 1837 and 1841 and William remarried another, younger, Elizabeth in an attempt to confuse future family historians. But this conspiracy theory is not supported on FreeBMD where I can't see a death of an Elizabeth nor a marriage of a William pre June 1841! - the Cambs FHS Baptism index (which is more complete for Cambs 1801-37 than the IGI) shows that a Peter and Mary Lofts had two children baptised in 1801 and 1812 in Balsham (and the IGI has a third in 1800). That's a big gap between 1801 and 1812. Possibly other children fitted in there who weren't baptised, for whatever reason. These were the only Lofts baptisms in Balsham in this period, and Elizabeth's marriage in Balsham suggests it was her home parish - although you need to check the parish register if you haven't already done so, to see if the marriage entry gives any clues, eg Elizabeth otp, or Elizabeth of the parish of Linton (or wherever) and the names of the witnesses (who might be siblings). The fact that she named two of her children Peter suggests that it may have been her father's name (although I'm not a great believer in naming patterns). - a census was taken in Balsham in 1811 a transcript of which is available from Cambs FHS. These early censuses don't usually show very much, but it may show a name and the number in the household, which might give you an idea as to whether or not there were more Lofts in the household than there are baptisms. - I agree with you that Elizabeth Lofts was the mother of William's children following their 1819 marriage - you should be able to order and view a microfilm of Balsham parish register at your nearest Family History Center of the LDS (or a fiche transcription is available from Cambs FHS) Hope this helps Regards David Janet Bush <[email protected]> a écrit : Hello everyone, I am new to this list and Cambridge research but not to other genealogy. I'm hoping to get in touch with anyone researching this ARCH family. William ARCH (christened 24 Jun 1823 Balsham - son of William ARCH & Elizabeth) married 8 Jul 1851 at Balsham (have certificate) to Charlotte BLANKS. They had children: William c1851, Hammond 27 Feb 1853, Elizabeth 23 Mar 1855, Elizabeth Ann 6 Sep 1856 and Kate Susan 2 Apr 1859 (have birth certifs except for William). William ARCH remarried in Balsham (age 45, labourer) to Bets(e)y BROWN (age 24, daur. of Charles BROWN) 22 Oct 1864 (have marriage certif). They had children Ellen 1865, Charles 15 Nov 1867 (have certif), Ann 1870, Emily 1872, Emma 1878. Betsey Brown ARCH also had a son George BROWN before she married William. What I'm trying to confirm is William 1823 ARCH's mother's name. William c1800 married Elizabeth LOFTS 5 Jan 1819 (extracted record - IGI Batch M134061). William age 40 and an Elizabeth age 30 are on the 1841 Eng. census, along with Martha 15, Emma 10 and Peter 5. Per IGI Batch C134061, William ARCH and an Elizabeth christened these 7 children at Balsham: Mary Ann 6 Nov 1819, William 19 Nov 1821, another William 24 Jun 1823, Martha 9 Sep 1825, Peter Lofts 14 Feb 1828, Emma 24 Apr 1831, another Peter 1 Nov 1835. As adults' ages were rounded down in 1841 census, Elizabeth could be as old as 34 (so born C1806) which would make her age 13 at her marriage. Does this seem possible? The only likely christening I can find for Elizabeth is 8 Apr 1806 at Linton, daughter of William LOFTS and Sarah. The name of son Peter Lofts ARCH chr. 1828 would seem to indicate Elizabeth LOFTS may be the mother of all these children. Sorry to be so long-winded. I thought more detail would be helpful in identifying a connection. I have quite a bit of information on Charles Arch 1867, his marriage in 1895 to Elizabeth Alice AYTON, their 7 children, and their emigration to Canada. 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Hi, This is rather a long shot, but I am attempting to gather details of the above mentioned couple. They married in Impington, Cambridge in 1799. Any info or advise would be greatly appreciated. Regards Chris Adams

Hello everyone, I am new to this list and Cambridge research but not to other genealogy. I'm hoping to get in touch with anyone researching this ARCH family. William ARCH (christened 24 Jun 1823 Balsham - son of William ARCH & Elizabeth) married 8 Jul 1851 at Balsham (have certificate) to Charlotte BLANKS. They had children: William c1851, Hammond 27 Feb 1853, Elizabeth 23 Mar 1855, Elizabeth Ann 6 Sep 1856 and Kate Susan 2 Apr 1859 (have birth certifs except for William). William ARCH remarried in Balsham (age 45, labourer) to Bets(e)y BROWN (age 24, daur. of Charles BROWN) 22 Oct 1864 (have marriage certif). They had children Ellen 1865, Charles 15 Nov 1867 (have certif), Ann 1870, Emily 1872, Emma 1878. Betsey Brown ARCH also had a son George BROWN before she married William. What I'm trying to confirm is William 1823 ARCH's mother's name. William c1800 married Elizabeth LOFTS 5 Jan 1819 (extracted record - IGI Batch M134061). William age 40 and an Elizabeth age 30 are on the 1841 Eng. census, along with Martha 15, Emma 10 and Peter 5. Per IGI Batch C134061, William ARCH and an Elizabeth christened these 7 children at Balsham: Mary Ann 6 Nov 1819, William 19 Nov 1821, another William 24 Jun 1823, Martha 9 Sep 1825, Peter Lofts 14 Feb 1828, Emma 24 Apr 1831, another Peter 1 Nov 1835. As adults' ages were rounded down in 1841 census, Elizabeth could be as old as 34 (so born C1806) which would make her age 13 at her marriage. Does this seem possible? The only likely christening I can find for Elizabeth is 8 Apr 1806 at Linton, daughter of William LOFTS and Sarah. The name of son Peter Lofts ARCH chr. 1828 would seem to indicate Elizabeth LOFTS may be the mother of all these children. Sorry to be so long-winded. I thought more detail would be helpful in identifying a connection. I have quite a bit of information on Charles Arch 1867, his marriage in 1895 to Elizabeth Alice AYTON, their 7 children, and their emigration to Canada. Regards, Janet Bush (Ontario, Canada)