Kerrie I have Curtis's in Waterbeach which is only if I am correct just less than 20 miles away from Westley Waterless. I have a James Curtis who was born 1819. Do you know if your Rebecca had a brother or where she was born. Rebecca is a first name that also crops up very heavily in this line and as it descends into the Dewey line/ Thanks Karen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paula Patterson Sent: 13 February 2007 08:18 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] Elizabeth Sarah Curtis Hi Kerrie I'm not sure that you will have much luck with this because even if you find the birth registration it is highly unlikely that it will give you Elizabeth's father's name. Between 1850 and 1875 Registrars were expressly forbidden from entering the father's name if the child was born out of marriage, as must have happened in this case. Before 1850 the instructions weren't very clear and some Registrars did enter the name and others didn't, and from 1875 to 1953 (!) the father's name was only entered if both he and the mother went together to the Registration office (I guess to stop a mother falsely claimimg someone as the father with inheritence or other financial consequences) Sorry. Paula ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerrie McInnes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 2:21 AM Subject: [ENG-CAMS] Elizabeth Sarah Curtis > Hello, > > I am trying to find the name of the father of Elizabeth Sarah Curtis > who > was christened on 1 August 1852 at Westley Waterless, Cambridge. I cannot > find a birth registration for her. Her mother's name was Rebecca Curtis > who was widowed in 1849 when her husband Charles Curtis died. I am > anxious to find who the father was. If someone in that area could help me > I would be most appreciative and could offer help to records in Sydney > that might be required. > > Elizabeth Curtis was listed as age 3 years in May 1855, when she > sailed on > the "Ramillies" to Australia with her mother and older siblings thereby > supporting that she must have been christened very soon after she was > born. On the ship records the "religion" was listed as Wesleyan. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Kerrie > Sydney, NSW > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.37/682 - Release Date: > 12/02/2007 13:23 > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Tony Could I please have the Rickard photos as I am researching the Rickard family from Littlebury Essex, but I know they moved into Cambridge too so may be a link. Many thanks Keith Hayden Newcastle NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Pottrell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: [ENG-CAMS] Grave Photos POWELL RICKARD BILLAM >

Hi Kerrie I'm not sure that you will have much luck with this because even if you find the birth registration it is highly unlikely that it will give you Elizabeth's father's name. Between 1850 and 1875 Registrars were expressly forbidden from entering the father's name if the child was born out of marriage, as must have happened in this case. Before 1850 the instructions weren't very clear and some Registrars did enter the name and others didn't, and from 1875 to 1953 (!) the father's name was only entered if both he and the mother went together to the Registration office (I guess to stop a mother falsely claimimg someone as the father with inheritence or other financial consequences) Sorry. Paula ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerrie McInnes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 2:21 AM Subject: [ENG-CAMS] Elizabeth Sarah Curtis > Hello, > > I am trying to find the name of the father of Elizabeth Sarah Curtis who > was christened on 1 August 1852 at Westley Waterless, Cambridge. I cannot > find a birth registration for her. Her mother's name was Rebecca Curtis > who was widowed in 1849 when her husband Charles Curtis died. I am > anxious to find who the father was. If someone in that area could help me > I would be most appreciative and could offer help to records in Sydney > that might be required. > > Elizabeth Curtis was listed as age 3 years in May 1855, when she sailed on > the "Ramillies" to Australia with her mother and older siblings thereby > supporting that she must have been christened very soon after she was > born. On the ship records the "religion" was listed as Wesleyan. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Kerrie > Sydney, NSW > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.37/682 - Release Date: > 12/02/2007 13:23 > >

_1851 England Census_ (http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=8860&enc=1) about Rebecca Curtis Name: Rebecca Age: 36 Estimated birth year: abt 1815 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Ramsden Heath, Essex, England Civil parish: Westley Waterless County/Island: Cambridgeshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: _View image_ (http://content.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=view&r=an&dbid=8860&iid=CAMHO107_1762_1762-0034&fn=Rebecca&ln=Curtis&st=r&ssrc=&pid=4568586) Registration district: Newmarket Sub-registration district: Cheveley ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: _View others on page_ (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord=1&ti=0&r=an&db=uki1851&F0=CAMHO107_1762_1 762-0034) Household schedule number: 4 Household Members: Name Age _Benjamin Curtis_ (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1851&indiv=try&h=4568590) 9 _Edward Curtis_ (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1851&indiv=try&h=4568591) 7 _Ellen Curtis_ (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1851&indiv=try&h=4568592) 5 _Joseph Curtis_ (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1851&indiv=try&h=4568587) 17 _Rebecca Curtis_ (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1851&indiv=try&h=4568586) 36 _Richard Curtis_ (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1851&indiv=try&h=4568588) 14 _Stephen Curtis_ (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1851&indiv=try&h=4568589) 11

Hi all, Just been sifting through some pictures I took on a recently trip and there are a few headstones that may interest someone: Thomas POWELL - Heydon Alfred RICKARD - Fowlmere Charles RICKARD - Fowlmere George Ephraim Downes BILLAM - Coton, I think! If they interest anyone let me know and I'll fire over the photos. Cheers, Tony

Hi Wendy, Thank you very much for this info, I did not know his wife's name, so this is another crack in the brick wall of this problem! I do appreciate your time and effort. Thanks again Julie. On 11/02/07, wendy birt <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Julie > Found this George galer married a Mary condor 6 dec 1824 at all st > cambridge believe this could be yours > regards wendy. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Julie Cooper" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 6:39 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] Hi > > > > Hello Cath, > > > > Thank you for your kind offer on Rootsweb. I wonder if you could help > > me if you get time? > > > > This is my "Brick wall" My paternal Grandmother had a cousin but I > > cant find out which relatives he was related through. If I could find > > out his mothers maiden name, that might give me a clue. He was born > > before the BMD records were started and didn't have any children which > > makes it worse. Also, I have a marriage cert for him but her name is > > completely different from his wife's name on their gravestone in Old > > Humberstone Churchyard. I cant find any record of him becoming a > > widower and marrying again. > > > > His name is Elliot John Norman Galer, according to census he was born > > in Cambridge but I don't know the Parish. I cant find him on the CFHS. > > > > Although I have found info on the internet and in his Will, I have had > > no luck in finding out who they were related through. > > According to the IGI,he was Christened on 24 AUG 1823 in Toft, Cambridge. > > > > I cant find him on census 1841 to1861. He turns up in Leicester in > > 1871. He married Mary Ann HODSON nee BASSETT in London 1858. They were > > both actors and opera singers and his wife''s stage name was Fanny > > REEVES and her name on their gravestone (in Humberstone, > > Leicestershire) is Annie Reeves Galer. They > > did not have children which makes them more difficult to trace. > > Elliott''s father was George Galer, a farmer according to his marriage > > cert, and I think he had a sister Anne who is somehow related to the > > MALLANDAINES. > > > > Somehow Elliot is related to the WADSWORTH and/or ODAMS families > > of Cambridge/Huntingdonshire > > > > Sorry if this is a bit garbled but I thought it might help to put down > > all I know. > > > > Many thanks, > > Regard, > > Julie > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25/01/07, catherine <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Hi im new to the cambridge bit. My main interest is Berkshire, and people > >> down that way help me, > >> by looking up things. So i thought i would offer my time to anyone > >> needing things checked out, ie > >> finding grave stones in Cambridge uk. Seeing as i live in Cambridge and I > >> need the exercise and an > >> excuse for a walk, i thought i would offer. But not too many at once > >> though i'm still weaning > >> myself off the car ! > >> Cath > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ___________________________________________________________ > >> The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address > >> from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Philip, Thank you very much for this info and for the link. I will put it in my favourites and study it when no-one is pestering me for the use of the computer! I do appreciate your time and effort. It is another crack in the brick wall of this problem! Thanks again Julie. On 11/02/07, Philip Maddocks <[email protected]> wrote: > try familyhistoryonline.net. Banns and marriage for George in 1824 > > Philip Maddocks > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Julie Cooper" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 6:39 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] Hi > > > > Hello Cath, > > > > Thank you for your kind offer on Rootsweb. I wonder if you could help > > me if you get time? > > > > This is my "Brick wall" My paternal Grandmother had a cousin but I > > cant find out which relatives he was related through. If I could find > > out his mothers maiden name, that might give me a clue. He was born > > before the BMD records were started and didn't have any children which > > makes it worse. Also, I have a marriage cert for him but her name is > > completely different from his wife's name on their gravestone in Old > > Humberstone Churchyard. I cant find any record of him becoming a > > widower and marrying again. > > > > His name is Elliot John Norman Galer, according to census he was born > > in Cambridge but I don't know the Parish. I cant find him on the CFHS. > > > > Although I have found info on the internet and in his Will, I have had > > no luck in finding out who they were related through. > > According to the IGI,he was Christened on 24 AUG 1823 in Toft, Cambridge. > > > > I cant find him on census 1841 to1861. He turns up in Leicester in > > 1871. He married Mary Ann HODSON nee BASSETT in London 1858. They were > > both actors and opera singers and his wife''s stage name was Fanny > > REEVES and her name on their gravestone (in Humberstone, > > Leicestershire) is Annie Reeves Galer. They > > did not have children which makes them more difficult to trace. > > Elliott''s father was George Galer, a farmer according to his marriage > > cert, and I think he had a sister Anne who is somehow related to the > > MALLANDAINES. > > > > Somehow Elliot is related to the WADSWORTH and/or ODAMS families > > of Cambridge/Huntingdonshire > > > > Sorry if this is a bit garbled but I thought it might help to put down > > all I know. > > > > Many thanks, > > Regard, > > Julie > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25/01/07, catherine <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Hi im new to the cambridge bit. My main interest is Berkshire, and people > >> down that way help me, > >> by looking up things. So i thought i would offer my time to anyone > >> needing things checked out, ie > >> finding grave stones in Cambridge uk. Seeing as i live in Cambridge and I > >> need the exercise and an > >> excuse for a walk, i thought i would offer. But not too many at once > >> though i'm still weaning > >> myself off the car ! > >> Cath > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ___________________________________________________________ > >> The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address > >> from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Does anyone remember a newsagent by the name of CLEMENTS in St Ives, Huntingdon? My mother has come across a photo which I am trying to place. The photo appears to be taken abt 1920-1930's but possible later & shows two gentlemen outside a Newsagent/Stationery shop with a news board showing the Name "B CLEMENTS" on it. We are guessing it maybe in St Ives as that is where my mothers relatives Sydney & Emma CLEMENTS (nee HARBOUR) lived. Other clues to the date include newspaper headlines of " 30 Crippled children in road smash" and " Brighter prospects for cotton peace" - I found some reference's to a Cotton industry problem in the Times online index, but is seemed to go on all through the 20's & 30's so wasn't much help. Any clues would be much appreciated. Regards from Roma Chatt, Essex UK --------------------------------- Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. Do it now...

Hi all, After several months, I have *finally* managed to locate my Gt Gt Gt Grandfather William Pottrell on the 1851 census. He was in a neighbouring village transcribed as Pothill. He is listed as a boarder living in the village and his job is listed as a Blacksmith Journeyman. Now I understand that this means that he had completed an apprenticeship somewhere and was now on his way to possibly starting his own shop by traveling around and gaining more experience. What I'm wondering is if there a system or database somewhere that lists apprenticeships of that era? I'd be interested to know where he had his apprenticeship. He was in Chrishall (home village) in 1841 and I found him in Heydon in 1851. His future wife hailed from Heydon as well. By 1856 he had moved to Coton, nr Cambridge where as far as I can tell he may have been a village blacksmith. Thanks in advance, Tony

Julie, According to the Cambridge All Saints Phillimores Marriage Index, this George GALER was from the parish of St Giles, Cambridge. Janet > Found this George galer married a Mary condor 6 dec 1824 at all st > cambridge believe this could be yours .com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 8433 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

try familyhistoryonline.net. Banns and marriage for George in 1824 Philip Maddocks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Cooper" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] Hi > Hello Cath, > > Thank you for your kind offer on Rootsweb. I wonder if you could help > me if you get time? > > This is my "Brick wall" My paternal Grandmother had a cousin but I > cant find out which relatives he was related through. If I could find > out his mothers maiden name, that might give me a clue. He was born > before the BMD records were started and didn't have any children which > makes it worse. Also, I have a marriage cert for him but her name is > completely different from his wife's name on their gravestone in Old > Humberstone Churchyard. I cant find any record of him becoming a > widower and marrying again. > > His name is Elliot John Norman Galer, according to census he was born > in Cambridge but I don't know the Parish. I cant find him on the CFHS. > > Although I have found info on the internet and in his Will, I have had > no luck in finding out who they were related through. > According to the IGI,he was Christened on 24 AUG 1823 in Toft, Cambridge. > > I cant find him on census 1841 to1861. He turns up in Leicester in > 1871. He married Mary Ann HODSON nee BASSETT in London 1858. They were > both actors and opera singers and his wife''s stage name was Fanny > REEVES and her name on their gravestone (in Humberstone, > Leicestershire) is Annie Reeves Galer. They > did not have children which makes them more difficult to trace. > Elliott''s father was George Galer, a farmer according to his marriage > cert, and I think he had a sister Anne who is somehow related to the > MALLANDAINES. > > Somehow Elliot is related to the WADSWORTH and/or ODAMS families > of Cambridge/Huntingdonshire > > Sorry if this is a bit garbled but I thought it might help to put down > all I know. > > Many thanks, > Regard, > Julie > > > > > > On 25/01/07, catherine <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi im new to the cambridge bit. My main interest is Berkshire, and people >> down that way help me, >> by looking up things. So i thought i would offer my time to anyone >> needing things checked out, ie >> finding grave stones in Cambridge uk. Seeing as i live in Cambridge and I >> need the exercise and an >> excuse for a walk, i thought i would offer. But not too many at once >> though i'm still weaning >> myself off the car ! >> Cath >> >> >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address >> from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Julie Found this George galer married a Mary condor 6 dec 1824 at all st cambridge believe this could be yours regards wendy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Cooper" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-CAMS] Hi > Hello Cath, > > Thank you for your kind offer on Rootsweb. I wonder if you could help > me if you get time? > > This is my "Brick wall" My paternal Grandmother had a cousin but I > cant find out which relatives he was related through. If I could find > out his mothers maiden name, that might give me a clue. He was born > before the BMD records were started and didn't have any children which > makes it worse. Also, I have a marriage cert for him but her name is > completely different from his wife's name on their gravestone in Old > Humberstone Churchyard. I cant find any record of him becoming a > widower and marrying again. > > His name is Elliot John Norman Galer, according to census he was born > in Cambridge but I don't know the Parish. I cant find him on the CFHS. > > Although I have found info on the internet and in his Will, I have had > no luck in finding out who they were related through. > According to the IGI,he was Christened on 24 AUG 1823 in Toft, Cambridge. > > I cant find him on census 1841 to1861. He turns up in Leicester in > 1871. He married Mary Ann HODSON nee BASSETT in London 1858. They were > both actors and opera singers and his wife''s stage name was Fanny > REEVES and her name on their gravestone (in Humberstone, > Leicestershire) is Annie Reeves Galer. They > did not have children which makes them more difficult to trace. > Elliott''s father was George Galer, a farmer according to his marriage > cert, and I think he had a sister Anne who is somehow related to the > MALLANDAINES. > > Somehow Elliot is related to the WADSWORTH and/or ODAMS families > of Cambridge/Huntingdonshire > > Sorry if this is a bit garbled but I thought it might help to put down > all I know. > > Many thanks, > Regard, > Julie > > > > > > On 25/01/07, catherine <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi im new to the cambridge bit. My main interest is Berkshire, and people >> down that way help me, >> by looking up things. So i thought i would offer my time to anyone >> needing things checked out, ie >> finding grave stones in Cambridge uk. Seeing as i live in Cambridge and I >> need the exercise and an >> excuse for a walk, i thought i would offer. But not too many at once >> though i'm still weaning >> myself off the car ! >> Cath >> >> >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address >> from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Cath, Thank you for your kind offer on Rootsweb. I wonder if you could help me if you get time? This is my "Brick wall" My paternal Grandmother had a cousin but I cant find out which relatives he was related through. If I could find out his mothers maiden name, that might give me a clue. He was born before the BMD records were started and didn't have any children which makes it worse. Also, I have a marriage cert for him but her name is completely different from his wife's name on their gravestone in Old Humberstone Churchyard. I cant find any record of him becoming a widower and marrying again. His name is Elliot John Norman Galer, according to census he was born in Cambridge but I don't know the Parish. I cant find him on the CFHS. Although I have found info on the internet and in his Will, I have had no luck in finding out who they were related through. According to the IGI,he was Christened on 24 AUG 1823 in Toft, Cambridge. I cant find him on census 1841 to1861. He turns up in Leicester in 1871. He married Mary Ann HODSON nee BASSETT in London 1858. They were both actors and opera singers and his wife''s stage name was Fanny REEVES and her name on their gravestone (in Humberstone, Leicestershire) is Annie Reeves Galer. They did not have children which makes them more difficult to trace. Elliott''s father was George Galer, a farmer according to his marriage cert, and I think he had a sister Anne who is somehow related to the MALLANDAINES. Somehow Elliot is related to the WADSWORTH and/or ODAMS families of Cambridge/Huntingdonshire Sorry if this is a bit garbled but I thought it might help to put down all I know. Many thanks, Regard, Julie On 25/01/07, catherine <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi im new to the cambridge bit. My main interest is Berkshire, and people down that way help me, > by looking up things. So i thought i would offer my time to anyone needing things checked out, ie > finding grave stones in Cambridge uk. Seeing as i live in Cambridge and I need the exercise and an > excuse for a walk, i thought i would offer. But not too many at once though i'm still weaning > myself off the car ! > Cath > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Does anyone claim Eliza SEE, bn abt. 1884/5 in March, and shown on the 1901, aged 16, as a servant girl in the household of Walter & Anne Maria SCOTT [my gt grandparents] in Christchurch, nr. Upwell Ref: RG13, Piece 1561, Folio 56, pg. 3, sch.14 And if anyone does claim her :), do they know what happened to her? As I have been going through my SCOTT notes to while away being snowed in for last 2 days and came across my note from talking to a SCOTT relative many moons ago that when Walter ran off in abt 1904, it was with his children's nursemaid - possibly the said Eliza! I have spent hours ploughing through the new UK shipping lists on FindMypast.com with no joy as I have no idea where he ran away to - and who with! But as he was supposedly seen in Canada before WW1, [by a close SCOTT cousin] family legend has it that is where he went to - with either the family nursemaid or the school teacher from Stonea! I also have a list of names of Stonea school teachers from CRO in Cambridge - so is anyone else missing a female relative who taught at Stonea in early 1900s? I do have a webpage about Walter: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cawthorn/SCOTT/walter&annie_maria.html but it is in need of a serious update. Hoping someone can help. Regards, Ann McClean in Llanmerewig, Mid-Wales, U.K. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Still searching for the ever-elusive Walter SCOTT Bn 6 Oct 1867 - Disappeared about 1903 - HAVE you come across him? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CAWTHORN, SCOTT, & DeSILVA PALMER Family History Pages: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cawthorn/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

There are two follow up postings on the Cumberland list from a lister in Brisbane. as follows:- "Cave was transported to Sydney but ended up in New Zealand where he died in 1870. There are a few websites with references including listing of his 6 marriages... though no hint of the story behind the first 3 ..." and "I guess he was just the marrying kind ... I found a few websites by googling for "Charles Samuel Cave" - most hits are for "our" Samuel :) - several list these six marriages though the English ones are incorrectly listed as NZ: 1814 Mary Nicholls 1820 Charlotte Bingham 1821 Sarah Kent 1824 Mary Cape 1825 Susannah Dockerall (in Sydney, a fellow convict, died 1852 NZ) 1852 Elizabeth Hughes (NZ) According to these pages, Samuel as he was known was farming, and also still working as a cooper, in the NZ whaling industry. One page mentions a court case in 1842 where he sold nine casks of oil not belonging to him - which seems in character. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nzbound/whaler.htm" --------------- Carol At least he does seem to have stayed with Susannah for 27 years or so..."

The Times, Monday, Aug 30, 1824; pg. 2; Issue 12430; col F SUMMER ASSIZES. --------------- CARLISLE, THURSDAY, AUG. 26. CRIMINAL SIDE. - Before Mr. Justice BAYLEY. [continued] The learned counsel then called the following witnesses: - James WARDEN, examined by Mr. PATTESON. - I live at Wisbeach, in the isle of Ely. I know the prisoner at the bar. His name is CAVE. He lived at Wisbeach in 1820. He was then a cooper. He had no property, nor any estates in that or any other county that I ever heard of. Mr. Justice BAYLEY observed, that this was not evidence necessary to support the indictment; it might be of use in apportioning the punishment, supposing the prisoner was prosecuted to conviction. The witness then continued. - I knew Charlotte BINGHAM in 1820. I have examined the parish register at Wisbeach. [A paper was here handed to the witness.] I was present when that document was made. I subscribed it. I was also present at the prisoner's marriage with Charlotte BINGHAM on the 3d of July, 1820. They were together for seven or eight weeks. I was at their marriage-feast. I saw Charlotte BINGHAM last June; she was then living as servant with a respectable family in Union-street, in the Borough. Cross-examined by Mr. JONES. - That extract from the register was made by Mr. METCALF, an attorney, at Wisbeach. I saw it compared with the original. I knew Charlotte BINGHAM before she was married to the prisoner. She was then a servant. She was 26 years old. Her parents were not present at the marriage, but she was regularly called at church. I had known the prisoner for three years before that marriage. I had not known his wife anything near so long. I never heard any thing against her character. They left Wisbeach as man and wife. It was Mr. METCALFE who applied to me to give evidence on this trial. I have had no quarrel with the prisoner. He never charged me with stealing barley from Mr. PECKOVER, of Wisbeach. Mr. PECKOVER had no barley to steal. Such a charge, if made against me, is false. I never heard that such a charge had been made. The extract from the register was then put it. It stated that Samuel CAVE, widower, and Charlotte BINGHAM, spinster, were married at Wisbeach on the 3d of July, 1820. William TYDD, the parish clerk of St. Cuthbert's, Carlisle, produced the register of the prisoner's marriage with Mary CAPE on the 25th of March last. He deposed that the prisoner was the person mentioned in it. Mr. and Mrs. DONALD, and a person of the name of GLENDINNING, were present at the wedding. The register was then put in, and read. Hector GLENDINNING. - I was present at the marriage of the prisoner with Miss Mary CAPE. I gave the bride away to him. I am a blacksmith. Mr. JONES. - You do not come from Gretna-green, do you? - No; but I am a relation of the blacksmith there though. (A giggle among the ladies.) Mr. JONES. - Were you sent for on that account upon this occasion? - No; Miss CAPE was my niece. The witness then proceeded. - Miss CAPE occasionally acted as a waiter at the King's Arms Inn. She was not obliged to do so. I did not prevail upon the prisoner to marry her; quite the contrary. I never knew that he was prevailed on by any body. I knew that they had been at Gretna-green before they went to church. I was not present at the Gretna-green marriage. They kept company before they were married. They lived in the same house together; and unless they had had some talk together, how could they agree to getting married? (A laugh.) The prisoner, when called upon for his defence, declined saying any thing. Mr. JONES then asked his Lordship whether he thought that sufficient evidence had been offered of the second marriage? Mr. Justice BAYLEY replied in the affirmative. His Lordship then charged the jury, who without the slightest hesitation returned a verdict of guilty against the prisoner on the first indictment. He was then put upon his trial on the second indictment. The same evidence was given to prove the marriage with Charlotte BINGHAM, as had been given on the trial of the first indictment. William ORAM. - I live at Whitchurch, in Hampshire. I have known the prisoner since August, 1821. I knew Sarah KENT, before her marriage. She was married to the prisoner by licence. I lent him some money to pay for it. I have since been repaid it. I lent him a coat to get married in. It was the coat I now have on [a common farmers' loose coat - the exhibition of it in Court by the witness excited considerable laughter.] I got the licence for the prisoner on the Saturday, and he was married on the Monday following. I knew Sarah KENT afterwards as Mrs. CAVE. [A paper was handed to the witness.] I was present when this extract was made from the parish register at Whitchurch. I have not the slightest doubt that the prisoner is the man who was then and there married. Cross-examined. - It was the curate who made the extract. I saw the copy made from the book. Sarah KENT was a widow. I used to visit the prisoner after he was married to her. They appeared to me to live very cannily together. (A smile.) They stayed more than half a year in my neighbourhood after they were married. She had one child to him before he left Whitchurch. She was worth some money, and her friends were respectable people. The extract from the register of the prisoner's marriage at Whitchurch, in September, 1821, to Sarah KENT, was then put in. In this document he was described as a bachelor. Mr. SAUL, the attorney, was called to prove that the prisoner had been apprehended in the county of Cumberland. The prisoner offered no defence. The learned Judge summed up the evidence, and the jury again returned a verdict of - guilty. Mr. Justice BAILEY, after addressing the prisoner on the heinous nature of the offence which he had committed, sentenced him to be transported for seven years. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Here ends this sorry affair. I have no idea whether Mr SAUL, the solicitor, ever got his money back - I rather doubt it!

The Times, Monday, Aug 30, 1824; pg. 2; Issue 12430; col F SUMMER ASSIZES. --------------- CARLISLE, THURSDAY, AUG. 26. CRIMINAL SIDE. - Before Mr. Justice BAYLEY. Samuel CAVE, otherwise Charles Samuel CAVE, was put to the bar, to answer to an indictment found against him, for having on the 25th day of March last, feloniously married, and taken to wife Mary CAPE, at the parish church of St. Cuthbert, Carlisle, his former wife, Charlotte BINGHAM, being then living, contrary to the form of the statute in that case made and provided. There was a second indictment charging him with having married Sarah KENT, widow, at Whitchurch, in the county of Southampton, on the 21st of September, 1821; his former wife, Charlotte BINGHAM, being then alive. The prisoner pleaded "not guilty" to both indictments. This case excited great interest in Carlisle, and the Court was in consequence crammed to repletion. There were a great number of respectable females present, who paid great attention to the trial as it proceeded. The prisoner is a coarse vulgar-looking ruffian, about 40 years of age, and has not the slightest appearance of a gentleman about him. He appeared to be somewhat annoyed by the laughter which was raised at his expense during the time that Mr. COURTENAY was detailing the charges against him. Mr. PATTESON opened the indictment. Mr. COURTENAY stated the case to the jury. The prisoner at the bar was unknown to the good citizens of Carlisle until the close of February last, when, in prosecution of his designs, he arrived among them, and took up his abode at the King's Arms inn, kept by a person of the name of DONALD. To that individual, as well as to several others, he represented himself as Samuel Charles CAVE, Esq., of Thorney-abbey, Cambridgeshire, telling them at the same time that he had come amongst them by the advice of his physician, Sir Astley COOPER, who had advised him to try the benefit of the dry and bracing winds of the north of England. He described to them, in large and magnificent terms, the various estates which he possessed in various counties, and talked to them of the immense sums - God alone knew how immense they were - that he had in the funds and other public securities. Thorney-abbey, he said, was his favourite residence, because it had been the favourite residence of his ancestors since the Conquest, or perhaps since a remoter period, as the CAVEs, according to his account, had existed in great glory ever since the flood. The proprietor of Thorney-abbey, the last descendant of a long race of sages and warriors, soon became delighted with "mine host" of the King's Arms; he promised all kinds of patronage to him and his family; he was himself to be the prince of innkeepers, and his wife and children were to be exalted to different kinds of dignities and honours. No wonder, therefore, that in the midst of these promises poor DONALD became as much delighted with his visitor as his visitor appeared to be delighted with him. He had not been more than eight days in Carlisle when he was seized with a sudden attack of the heart. [A general giggle among the ladies.] He did not mean an amatory attack - that, however, came in due season - but with a pain in the heart, which rendered it necessary that he should be brought home immediately by his friends. Finding, or, what to Mr. CAVE was pretty nearly the same thing, pretending to find, himself very ill, he became anxious to dispose of his property, stating that such attacks, if repeated, must be fatal to him; and observing that he had once before suffered from them in church, where his situation had excited the sympathy of the whole congregation. Time, which is valuable to all men, was doubly valuable to Mr. CAVE, on account of the extensive property he had to dispose of. An attorney of the name of SAUL was accordingly sent for; and by his assistance, Charles Samuel CAVE, Esq. of Thorney-abbey, Cambridgeshire, disposed, in due form of law, of his property in the Isle of Ely, in the county of Sussex, and in God knows how many counties beside - not forgetting the hundreds of thousands that he had in the funds, or the ancient patrimonial seat of the CAVEs at Thorney-abbey. The attorney, proud to serve so valuable a client, used more than common diligence in registering his bequests, and in a short time, the will, which bequeathed mountains of gold and silver to the legatees named in it, was duly drawn up and executed. [Footnote: The reason of this illness on the part of the prisoner will be more clearly understood by the reference to the following charge in the calendar: - "Samuel CAVE, otherwise Charles Samuel CAVE, charged upon the oath of George SAUL, of the city of Carlisle, in the said county, gentleman, with falsely pretending that he was very ill, on or about the 6th day of March last, when he sent for the said George SAUL to the King's Arms Inn, in Carlisle, to make his will, and gave instructions accordingly to the said George SAUL, and stated himself to be possessed of 6,000L. stock in the new four per cent. stock, and real property to a large amount in Cambridge and Norfolk, and directed the said George SAUL to write to a Mr. PECKOVER, of Wisbech (whom he stated to be a trustee for him), to sell out the said stock; and by such representations induced the said George SAUL to advance him 30L. all which representations the said George SAUL has since discovered to be false and groundless." We are surprised that any person should be gulled by so stale a trick, and especially that that person should be an attorney.] Mr. CAVE, having thus prepared himself for death, thought it might next be as well to prepare himself for living it. Indeed, so rapid was his recovery, that in a few days he was able to stand up against another attack of the heart - not, indeed, of the same nature as before, but of a gentler and less painful description. He fell deeply in love with his host's sister-in-law, a young lady of great respectability, who, amongst her other charms, possessed that of being entitled to 1,000L. upon her coming of age. So skilfully had he managed matters at Carlisle, that not a suspicion was entertained of his not being the person whom he represented himself to be. He bought hunters, hunted with the Carlisle hounds, drank with the Cumberland squires, talked scandal and nonsense with their wives, and acted in every respect like a man of fortune and consideration. In the midst of all these various avocations, he still found a little time for love. He determined to give to Thorney-abbey a new mistress, by making Miss CAPE at once the partner of his wealth and bosom. He therefore proposed to her in due form; and after the usual difficulties with which the "rosy pudency" of the sex generally meets such proposals, was in due form by her accepted. Her friends, though they thought the match a very good one, were not for completing it in all the hurry which the proprietor of Thorney-abbey thought necessary. He therefore proposed to her to take a trip across the border, and, by a Gretna-green marriage, to put an end to all his doubts and fears regarding her affections. The lady refused for some time, but at last, on the evening of the 18th of March last, gave a reluctant consent to the proposals of her impetuous lover. He accordingly procured a chaise, and succeeded in carrying her to Gretna, whilst her friends were quietly amusing themselves at the play. The fugitives were however pursued, and overtaken before the ceremony was completed. The prisoner, however, was not easily daunted from the prosecution of his designs; and in consequence of the solicitations and representations which he then made, the ceremony was allowed to proceed, and the young lady returned with him to Carlisle as his wife, and lived with him accordingly. On their return to Carlisle, the lady's friends wished the marriage to be re-performed according to the rites of the Church of England. The prisoner, however, resisted the proposal at first, and it was not till some time afterwards that he was persuaded to consent to it. At last, on the 25th of March, he was married to Miss CAPE, at St. Cuthbert's church, by a clergyman of the church of England. He could not see any reason why the prisoner should be so anxious to be married at Gretna-green, and so reluctant to be married at Carlisle. A circumstance, however, might explain it, which had recurred at the Spring Assizes of last year. They would, many of them, recollect that at those assizes, a chimney-sweeper was tried for bigamy, whose first marriage was proved to have been at Gretna-green. The question of the legality of that marriage underwent considerable discussion at that time, and the result of it was, that the prisoner was acquitted. CAVE, it was known, was present at that trial, and had listened to it with the utmost attention; and whether it was that circumstance which had given him a taste for the glorious uncertainty of Gretna-green marriages, he would leave them to determine. Be that, however, as it might, this point was at least certain - that shortly after the English marriage had been performed, circumstances transpired which led to an inquiry into Mr. CAVE's representations, and to a discovery that every one of them was false. Instead of being Mr. CAVE, of Thorney-abbey, a man of property and family, he was found to be Mr. CAVE, of Wisbeach, a man of staves and barrels. In point of fact, he carried on the nominal trade as a cooper, but followed the real occupation of a common swindler. The learned counsel then said, that he would call witnesses before them, who would prove his first marriage with Charlotte BINGHAM, his subsequent marriage with Mary CAPE, and also the fact of Charlotte BINGHAM being still alive. After he had done so, it would be for them to decide whether the prisoner was or was not guilty of the offence which was charged against him in the indictment. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The trial to continue.....

The Times, Monday, Apr 19, 1824; pg. 3; Issue 12316; col A The person calling himself Charles Samuel CAVE, of Thorney Abbey, and whose injurious conduct to the daughter of a respectable innkeeper at Carlisle we mentioned last week, we find is well known in the neighbourhood of Stamford, where he married two former wives, one of whom is still living. His first partner was a woman of King's Cliffe, named NICHOLLS; by her he had two children; and he was a widower with that family, settled as a cooper at Wisbeach, when he married, secondly, a creditable young woman from Thornhaugh, near Stamford, called Charlotte BINHAM, whom he basely deserted a few days before she was confined in childbed, leaving her, and children by his former wife, chargable to the parish of Wisbeach. The children were disposed of among the family of their own mother, and their mother-in-law returned to her friends at Thornhaugh, where she continued until she obtained a place of service in a respectable family in London. There she is at present. We understand it has been resolved by the family of the innkeeper at Carlisle, whose daughter the profligate fellow has so greatly injured, to prosecute him for bigamy, and the necessary measures for that purpose are now taking. As CAVE is as illiterate as he is impudent, it is surprising that he should have so successfully carried on his imposture in the north. His detection arose from an application to a professional gentleman in Wisbeach, to whom he had the assurance to refer for the transfer of "6,000L. funded stock," which he had engaged to advance on a mortgage near Carlisle!! The promptness of the application, and of the answer to it, probably prevented CAVE's flight to some other part of the kingdom, where he might have re-acted his nefarious tricks. He is held fast in the prison of Carlisle. - Stamford Mercury. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The trial at the summer assizes to follow.....

The Times, Tuesday, Apr 13, 1824; pg. 4; Issue 12311; col A SWINDLING. ------------ [The following particulars are connected with the case mentioned last week, of a man who had carried off a young lady from Carlisle to Gretna.] [From The Carlisle Journal.] POLICE-OFFICE, WEDNESDAY, APRIL 7. CHARGE OF OBTAINING MONEY UNDER FALSE PRETENCES. [continued] On the Monday following, March 29, examinant received a letter from that gentleman, of which the following is a copy: - "Wisbeach, 25th March, 1824. "Gentlemen, - I have your favour of the 23d instant, but I know no such person as Charles Samuel CAVE; there was a Samuel CAVE, a cooper, resident in this place a short time, who took a gentleman of the name of COX (Thomas COX, Esq.) in for several hundred pounds, and decamped, and has not since been heard of, and I understand left a wife to bewail his absence. I wish this may not be the case with you, and am respectfully your friend, "S. and G. SAUL and Co. "JONATHAN PECKOVER." Examinant, on the receipt of this letter, made application for a warrant to apprehend the prisoner on a charge of obtaining money under false pretences, and succeeded in obtaining from him 4L. and a watch. After Mr. SAUL's evidence was read over, the prisoner was asked if he had anything to say to it, and he answered that he had nothing. He was committed for further examination on this charge. Mr. George SAUL, on the part of the relatives of Miss CAPE, now lodged an information against the prisoner on a charge of bigamy. M. J. DONALD, of the King's Arms inn, deposed that the prisoner came to his house by the coach on the 28th day of February, and after remaining there a few days, represented himself to be a single man and possessed of a large property. Prisoner paid his addresses to Miss CAPE, and on the 26th of March they were married at St. Cuthbert's church. In consequence of information which examinant has since obtained, he believes that the prisoner was previously married, and that his wife is still living. Mr. DONALD's examination was read over, and the prisoner was asked if he had any thing to say? He acknowledged that he had been living with a woman at Chichester, but denied that she was his wife. He said that Charlotte BINGHAM, the other woman to whom he had been married, had herself remarried 6 months afterwards. The prisoner was fully committed on this charge, and Mr. DONALD was bound over to prosecute. In addition to the preceding communication from Mr. PECKOVER, the two following letters have been received, giving a further account of CAVE's proceedings at Wisbeach and Chichester: - "Wisbeach, 1st April, 1824. "Gentlemen, - Our friend and neighbour, Mr. PECKOVER, has handed over to us your letters respecting Saml. CAVE, late of this place, and we have this morning been endeavouring to make out all the necessary particulars for your guidance. We find by the parish register (of which we have made a correct copy), that Samuel CAVE was married to Charlotte BINGHAM, spinster, on the 3d July, 1820, and upon comparing the hand-writing contained in your letter to Mr. PECKOVER of the 23d March last, with the writing in the parish register, there is no doubt of their being the same, with the addition of "Charles" in your letter. We also find, that in consequence of disputes between CAVE and his wife, she left him and went to reside at a village near Peterborough with her mother, where she was confined, but we have not at present been able to ascertain the name of the village, but have put the matter into a train to obtain that information in a few days, and upon hearing from you one of us will (if you wish it) go over and ascertain whether she is still living, and where she is to be met with. Samuel CAVE is well known to Mr. METCALFE, sen., who attended him several times relative to a fraudulent transaction on the part of CAVE with the late Mr. Thos. COX, of this place, who advanced CAVE a large sum of money when he was a cooper in this town, and which never was repaid. We shall be ready to render any aid and assistance in our power to punish this hardened villain, and are, gentlemen, your obedient servants, "CHARLES METCALFE and SON." "P. S. Of course you will direct your attention to the necessity of identifying the person in custody with the one mentioned in the register - S. and G. SAUL, Carlisle." "Chichester, April 4, 1824. "Sir - I have just received your letter about Samuel CAVE, but have only time to say, before the post goes out, that he absconded from this city about two months ago, leaving a wife and three children here. Her father fetched her away. He is one of the greatest swindlers that was ever heard of. Under the pretence of having a sum of money left to him, he pretended to buy houses of Mr. ACTON here, and had the conveyance prepared. He borrowed money of the person he pretended to deal with. He is a cooper by trade, and worked for Mr. BIFFIN, of this place. However, being Sunday, and so near post time, I am not able to send farther particulars, but, as I suppose you will not mind the expense of another letter, I will, in a few days, send you the particulars of his case, and will in the mean time inform those whom he has duped, as they are anxious to prosecute him, but I am afraid the immense distance that he is from this place will prevent them proceeding against him. (Signed) "EDWARD GILBERT, "Clerk to the Guardians of the Poor." "To Mr. Thos. RANDLESON, Carlisle." Two other letters, written by different persons at Chichester, have been addressed to the Clerk of the Peace in this city, containing further details relative to CAVE, similar to those in the letter to Mr. RANDLESON. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ End of this article, but more to come in The Times six days later.....

The Times, Tuesday, Apr 13, 1824; pg. 4; Issue 12311; col A SWINDLING. ------------ [The following particulars are connected with the case mentioned last week, of a man who had carried off a young lady from Carlisle to Gretna.] [From The Carlisle Journal.] POLICE-OFFICE, WEDNESDAY, APRIL 7. CHARGE OF OBTAINING MONEY UNDER FALSE PRETENCES. Samuel CAVE was brought up for further examination on a charge preferred by Mr. George SAUL, a most respectable solicitor, for obtaining 30L. from him fraudulently. Mr. SAUL stated that a messenger came to him on the 6th day of March last, with an intimation that a gentleman had just been taken suddenly ill at the King's Arms-inn, in this city, and wished him to make his will. Examinant went thither, and was introduced to the prisoner, Charles Samuel CAVE, who stated to examinant that he was subject to pains about the heart, and that he might be carried off at any moment; that as he, the prisoner, was possessed of a good deal of property, and had a numerous connexion of relatives, he wished to dispose of it amongst them, and desired that examinant would take instructions for his will, which was done accordingly. MINUTES OF THE WILL. - "Charles Samuel CAVE, late of Chichester, in the county of Sussex, gentleman. Trustees, James RIFFIN, of Chichester, merchant, and James FARNELL, of same place, builder. Gives to them all his real estate, situate in or near Chichester, at Horsley Down, viz. four freehold dwelling-houses and close of land, in the occupation of William ACTON and others as tenants. At Wittlesey, in Cambridgeshire, in the Isle of Ely, houses and four acres of land, in the occupation of Thos. CAVE; copyhold. Money in the funds, 6,000L. in the new Four per Cents.; upon trust to receive the rents and interest, and pay the same to my mother during her natural life, except 500L., which I give to Joseph SCHRIMSHAW[?], natural son of my brother, Thomas CAVE, and for whom I stood godfather; and, upon her death, upon trust to sell the real estate, and to divide the proceeds thereof and all my personal estate amongst my brothers and sisters, in equal shares and proportions, viz. - Thomas CAVE, Wm. CAVE, George CAVE, and John CAVE, Susan, wife of James SI*SON, of Wittlesey, farmer, and Ann, the wife of Charles PAGE, of Thorney, Cambridgeshire. In case of the death of any of my said brothers and sisters, to go to their wives or husbands; and after their death to their children in equal shares; and in case of death without leaving lawful issue, to go to survivors in like manner: 100L. to fit out my godson in any apprenticeship or trade he may think proper to go to. I request that Thorney, in Cambridgeshire, may be the place of my burial." [Signed, sealed, &c., in the presence of three witnesses.] "C. SAMUEL CAVE." Prisoner called on examinant some days afterwards, and stated that an application had been made to Mr. NORMAN, the solicitor, on behalf of a client of his, to borrow 2,000L. on mortgage, and he described the property on which the money was to be secured, and requested examinant to accompany him to look at it, and to give him his advice as to the security. Examinant looked at the property in question, and considered it of ample value. Prisoner then left examinant, and said he would go to Mr. NORMAN. Prisoner called on examinant a day or two afterwards to say that Mr. NORMAN and he had agreed - that the interest was to be 4 and a half per cent., and that the property, being dwelling-houses, was to be insured from fire. Prisoner at the same time gave examinant instructions to write to a Mr. PECKOVER, banker, of Wisbeach, who he represented to be a trustee under his father's will, and in whose name he stated that the 6,000L. stock was standing; and requested examinant to Mr. PECKOVER instructions to sell out 2,000L. worth of stock for the purpose of laying it on mortgage. Same day the prisoner called again on examinant, and informed him that he had been looking at a property at Newtown, which he had some idea of purchasing; but as he was not a competent judge of its value, he wished examinant to recommend some person to him to examine the property, and to give him an opinion of its value. Examinant then wrote a note to Mr. GATE for that purpose, and which he delivered to prisoner. Examinant saw the prisoner in the evening, when he intimated that he and some friends had been looking at the Newtown property, and that the price asked was 2,500L.; that he had bid 1,350L., but that the person who was authorised to treat for its sale could not take upon himself to accept that some without first writing to the proprietor, who lived at Appleby, for his approbation. Prisoner said that he expected an answer in two or three days, and desired that examinant would, in the mean time, defer writing to Mr. PECKOVER to sell out the stock. Prisoner called again on the day following, and said that there was a very nice young lady staying at the King's Arms inn, and that he had agreed to marry her. Prisoner then requested that examinant would lend him 20L. to defray the necessary expenses attending his marriage, and intimated that he understood the parson's fee at Gretna was considerable, and that his own money would not arrive before the end of the following week. Prisoner said that he intended to make a very handsome settlement of real property, which he had in Sussex, on his wife, and promised to call on examinant afterwards and give him particular instructions as to the settlement. Prisoner called again on examinant on the 23d of March, and stated that an answer had been received from the proprietor of the property at Newtown, but as the price was fixed at 2,000 guineas he declined the purchase, as he considered that sum above its value. Prisoner then gave examinant instructions to write immediately to Mr. PECKOVER, desiring him to send the money that he, the prisoner, had agreed to lend on mortgage, and said that the sum might as well be made 3,000L., for that in consequence of his marriage he would have a good deal of money to lay out in the purchase of furniture, &c. Examinant wrote to Mr. PECKOVER in pursuance of instructions. On the night before his marriage in Carlisle, prisoner wrote to examinant to borrow 30L. in addition to the 20L. which he had got before, but to which no answer was returned. Prisoner called personally on examinant the following morning, and renewed his application for a further loan of 30L., alleging that having been re-married in Carlisle, and having many things to purchase, he had been put to great expense. Examinant informed him, that it was not convenient to advance more money; but, after urgent entreaty, he let him have 10L. more, on the assurance that it would not be long until the money arrived from Mr. PECKOVER. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This article to continue.....